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Abe Foxman and ADL at their most obnoxious

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edward gibbon [OP]

2005-06-09 23:23 | User Profile

I am not religious, but I try to respect the faith of others. What this loathesome Foxman does exceeds all bounds of ethical and acceptable behavior. This Jew in particular needs to have his pathological desires publicly examined.QUOTE [B][SIZE=4][CENTER]Naval Academy Next Target For ADL[/CENTER][/SIZE] [/B] After success with Air Force, effort to stop imposed prayers at Annapolis.
Stewart Ain - Staff Writer

After receiving assurances last week from the superintendent of the Air Force Academy that religious intolerance on campus will end, [I]the Anti-Defamation League is now setting its sights on the mandatory mealtime prayer recited at the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md. [/I]

[I][COLOR=Red]Abraham Foxman, the ADL’s national director, said he plans to go to Washington next week to meet with members of the armed forces committees of the House and Senate to discuss religious coercion at both the Air Force and Naval academies.[/COLOR] [/I]

A spokesperson for the Naval Academy would say only that the academy “does not require midshipmen to recite a prayer during their noon meal.” But others there say all 4,000 midshipmen are required to attend lunch. They must also remain standing in formation while announcements are made and while the chaplain recites a prayer before they are permitted to sit.

Asked the difference between President Bush’s annual prayer breakfast and the Naval Academy’s prayer before lunch, Foxman said: “Nobody is mandated to go to the president’s prayer breakfast, but you must go for lunch where you have a prayer imposed on you.”

David Rocah, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, said the description of what goes on at the Naval Academy is “utterly indistinguishable” from the Virginia Military Institute’s compulsory supper prayer that was ruled unconstitutional in 2003. He pointed out that after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the institute’s appeal of that decision, the ACLU wrote to the Naval Academy asking that it “reconsider” the practice of “requiring midshipmen to participate in a lunchtime prayer.” He said it never received a response.

Told that the academy spokesperson insists that midshipmen are not required to pray, Rocah replied: “The point to be made is not to try to split hairs and quibble. ...They are being forced to attend a prayer service, and that for me is the beginning and the end of the issue.”

“Prayer is a matter of conscience,” he continued. “It is something that individuals do on their own, and they are free to assemble to pray collectively. But they are free to do all of this free of government coercion or requirement. It isn’t the role of the government — whether it is the Naval Academy or VMI or your local city council — to tell you or me or anyone in this country when to pray, where to pray, why to pray and how to pray.

“These are matters that our country leaves to individuals to determine for themselves. That was a wise decision when it was made over 200 years ago and it remains a wise decision today.”

Rocah noted that the ACLU had been contacted by students of the Naval Academy who were upset about the mandatory prayer at lunch, and that it had considered suing the academy. But he said that “for obvious reasons [the midshipmen] were reluctant to begin their Naval career by suing the Naval Academy. … It became clear that we weren’t going to be able to file suit and that the Naval Academy was ignoring the law.”

Told that the ADL was interested in pursuing this issue on Capitol Hill, Rocah said: “We’d be happy to work with the ADL in whatever efforts they are making in this regard. I’m glad to hear they are taking an interest in it.”

Foxman said the fact that Lt. Gen. John Rosa Jr., the superintendent of the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., told the ADL’s national executive committee that he is aware a problem exists at his academy is a positive first step in dealing with the problem there.

“In many situations, we spend a lot of time and energy trying to convince them that a problem exists,” Foxman explained. “For the number one guy to say publicly to us that is it a problem, that it is systemic and pervasive in all parts of the academy and that they have to change the culture” is an important acknowledgement.

In his remarks, Rosa said the academy must cultivate a “climate of respect” and understand that “we have a lack of awareness, ignorance, and in some cases we have vicious folks.”

Foxman said he is convinced that there “needs to be a serious look at all the academies. I believe the armed services committees have a responsibility to take a look. It shouldn’t be done punitively; we need information.”

He said he hopes the Naval Academy’s lunchtime prayer can be stopped “by public outrage and pressure. I think the situation at the Air Force Academy will help focus on this issue. Congress has full oversight — it picks the candidates [for the academies] and allocates funds [for their operation]. …

“This should not become a political circus game,” Foxman continued, “[B][I]and I don’t think we have to threaten their appropriations[/I][/B]. Who are we hurting? Our military is at war.”[/QUOTE][URL=http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10999&print=yes]http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10999&print=yes[/URL] I would like to hurt Foxman and his friends.

Bardamu

2005-06-09 23:33 | User Profile

But others there say all 4,000 midshipmen are required to attend lunch.

Each and every one of these men is going to understand perfectly who is behind rescinding this tradition.

Okiereddust

2005-06-10 00:34 | User Profile

[QUOTE=edward gibbon]I am not religious, but I try to respect the faith of others. What this loathesome Foxman does exceeds all bounds of ethical and acceptable behavior. This Jew in particular needs to have his pathological desires publicly examined.

[URL=http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10999&print=yes]http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10999&print=yes[/URL] I would like to hurt Foxman and his friends.[/QUOTE]Well I appreciate all of those who oppose Foxman and his attempts to end our public observances of religion and religious holidays, and usually even NA types forcefully defend this, even if its only our right to give Christian and other prayers in public and not something they personally intend to use.

Must say, Jerry and Pat don't get much of a quid pro for selling their souls to the ADL over Israel.

Howard Campbell, Jr.

2005-06-10 06:25 | User Profile

[img]http://www.ihr.org/webpics/abe_foxman.jpg[/img]

You're in our files, insolent Goy!!

Exelsis_Deo

2005-06-10 08:53 | User Profile

tell them straight to their face that you KNOW that Jesus Christ rose to se their sorry asses free. Let these men make as much as they want , and the Luciferian right is theirs.. swalloe of it, suck deep. Suck and draw, you will have all the best babes, the lust of ALL INCLUDING the power to kill Christians. THe Power to Lord over them. the Power to Kill Them and your God is coming, oh yes he is, he is Coming to Destroy and Lay Forth a New order of Life !!!!! A New Being, you will have all the sex, drugs, rockn roll and even to the stars !! He will show forth and decieve many ! He will show his power before the Earth and cause the hearts of Men to fall flat !!!! DEAD !!!! If ye be untouched, ye be dead and slay the world !!!!!!

Sertorius

2005-06-10 11:00 | User Profile

[QUOTE]Foxman said he is convinced that there “needs to be a serious look at all the academies. I believe the armed services committees have a responsibility to take a look. It shouldn’t be done [B]punitively[/B]; we need information.”[/QUOTE] And then you will engage in a punitive action, eh, Abe? That photo that Howard put up is not only the face of evil, but also arrogance run amuck. I'm curious to see how DeLay and the rest of the Stupid party react to this. I hope Foxman gets maximun publicity and fails. Let more than just the Corps of Cadets see who the real enemy is.

Sertorius

2005-06-11 02:20 | User Profile

Meanwhile the ADL has also come to the attention of talk radio and the Neocon media. No, not about the recent attempt at blackmail at the Academy. They are upset about this:

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Thursday, June 9, 2005 9:57 p.m. EDT

Charlie Rangel in Holocaust Firestorm

The Anti-Defamation League is demanding that top House Democrat Charlie Rangel apologize after he compared America's liberation of Iraq to Hitler's Holocaust, in comments first reported yesterday by NewsMax.com.

"It is so outrageous that a leader of Congress would compare one thing to the other," complained ADL President Abraham Foxman. "Sometimes we say it's ignorance. Charlie Rangel is not ignorant. Charlie Rangel has been there." Speaking to the New York Daily News, the Jewish civil rights leader added:

"It is so outrageous that I think he owes an apology not only to the families of the victims of the Shoah, but he also owes an apology to the soldiers who are fighting for freedom."

The controversy exploded on Monday, when Rangel was being interviewed by WWRL Radio's Steve Malzberg and Karen Hunter.

Speaking of the U.S. liberation of Iraq, Rangel contended: "It's the biggest fraud ever committed on the people of this country. This is just as bad as six million Jews being killed. The whole world knew it and they were quiet about it, because it wasn't their ox that was being gored."

Rangel charged that the Bush administration had planned to invade Iraq even before the 9/11 attacks.

"Every one of the players who made this decision - they were part of this plan to do it. From Rumsfeld to Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bolton, every one of them - Perle - [they were part of the] plan to put our kids in harm's way long before 9/11."

Given the chance to clarify his Holocaust comments, however, Rangel refused to back down.

"I am saying that people's silence when they know terrible things are happening is the same thing as the Holocaust, where everyone would have me believe that no one knew those Jews were killed over there," he told Malzberg.

The Harlem Democrat's comments on Monday went largely unnoticed until two days later, when NewMax.com covered Malzberg's Rangel interview.

Reacting to the influential Democrat's outburst, top political columnist Robert Novak noted "If a Republican had said that, comparing anything like that with the Holocaust, he'd be in huge trouble."

"I think Charlie's probably sorry he said it," Novak told CNN.

Get Steve Malzberg's exclusive NewsMax.com column e-mailed directly to you at [url]www.newsmax.com/malzberg[/url]. Listen to Steve Mon-Fri 6-10 AM at [url]www.wwrl1600.com/[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/9/220224.shtml[/url] ============= "Our good friend, Abe Foxman, supporter of our president in the "war on terror." Coming soon on the Sean Hannity show.