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MadScienceType [OP]

2005-06-03 16:53 | User Profile

Now, normally, I don't use the media-hyped term "arsenal" because they use it to describe a guy having a 12-gauge squirrel gun and a couple of .22s, but in this case, the word fits. I guess the old fellow was, in fact, a "gun enthusiast" when you get right down to it.

[url]http://www.local6.com/news/4563540/detail.html[/url]

RIDGEFIELD, N.J. -- A day after police escorted a disoriented elderly woman to her home, they returned with a search warrant and found a massive cache of weapons and gunpowder.

Nearly 500 guns, including AK-47s and high-powered rifles, 500 pounds of gunpowder and 100,000 rounds of ammunition were taken Wednesday from the home of Elizabeth and Sherwin Raymond, both 82.

Sherwin Raymond, a former physician and known gun enthusiast, has twice spent time in prison: in the early 1970s for performing illegal abortions and later that decade for selling silencer-equipped submachine guns. Convicted felons are not permitted to own guns.

"People knew he was a (gun) collector, but no one suspected the magnitude of what was found," police Chief John Bogovich told The Record of Bergen County for Thursday's newspapers. "This will be a monumental task to inventory."

[u]Police said they sought the warrant after bringing Elizabeth Raymond back to her home on Memorial Day and seeing the windows and doors open.[/u] [color=red]([u]That's[/u] grounds for a warrant?!?!?! Don't leave your doors and windows open on breezy days any more or you might get a visit from the friendly neighborhood gun squad!)[/color]

Police suspect many of weapons might have been bought at gun shows. Federal authorities are expected to investigate where they were purchased and whether they had ever been used in crimes.

Sherwin Raymond was charged with creating a hazardous condition and his bail was set at $25,000. Police guarded him Wednesday at a Hackensack hospital while he received dialysis treatment. His wife, who was not charged, was taken to a nearby hospital so she did not have to be alone.


Angeleyes

2005-06-04 00:12 | User Profile

  1. Point of order: is there any State where, once a felon gets out of prison, that he can petition to restore his firearms owning rights, as is the case with voting rights for felons who finish their sentence? I looked up a few things on a Texas web site, still unsure.

EDIT: [url="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/10/142436.shtml"]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/10/142436.shtml[/url] That is not encouraging.

[QUOTE] 2. Sherwin Raymond, a former physician and known gun enthusiast, has twice spent time in prison: in the early 1970s for performing illegal abortions [u]and later that decade for selling silencer-equipped submachine guns[/u]. Convicted felons are not permitted to own guns.

[/QUOTE]Ouch. Having that on the old record would make restoring the firearm rights a bit of a challenge, to say the least.


Ponce

2005-06-04 01:04 | User Profile

I remember some time ago I read something about this where five years after completing its sentence, provation, parole etc. a felon could request a permit in order to be able to keep a firearm in the premises of his or her home.

Never did a follow up on this.


MadScienceType

2005-06-06 16:09 | User Profile

Angeleyes,

I think technically it can be done, but it's just about impossible in practice. Kind of like it's technically possible for an average Joe to get a permit to carry concealed in San Francisco, but for practical purposes, it's a nil chance.

Ouch. Having that on the old record would make restoring the firearm rights a bit of a challenge, to say the least.

Certainly, selling silencer-equipped subguns is a big no-no for the government, unless you're selling to them, of course. I do wonder who he was supposed to have been offering them to. Black Panthers? "Anti-government" extremists? Girl Scouts? Doesn't say. I mainly posted this to highlight the way the police got the warrant, which I admit took me by surprise. Of course, I can't discount the possibility that the "journalist" who wrote the piece was completely wrong about it, there being a precedent for that sort of thing when it comes to reporters.