← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Ked McFarlane
Thread ID: 18501 | Posts: 55 | Started: 2005-06-02
2005-06-02 21:06 | User Profile
Many of the posters seem to just assume that Black children are not as smart as white children, and are thus not worthy of efforts to educate them. One poster, named Jay, maintains that a book called The Bell Curve, by Herrnstein and Murray, should be "required reading" for posting here. That's it, get everybody indoctrinated and hope they don't read "savage inequalities" by Kozol. Another poster, Quantrell, fears the abolishment of all "gifted and talented" programs, based on the idea that gifted white kids are not being allowed to "get too far ahead of Tyrone and LaKeesha." In my old high school, which was about 75% white, our valedectorian was a Black woman. and there were plenty "gifted and talented" programs chock full of whites and asians. So how did this young lady get so far ahead of Taylor and Becky?
2005-06-02 21:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Many of the posters seem to just assume that Black children are not as smart as white children, and are thus not worthy of efforts to educate them. One poster, named Jay, maintains that a book called The Bell Curve, by Herrnstein and Murray, should be "required reading" for posting here. That's it, get everybody indoctrinated and hope they don't read "savage inequalities" by Kozol. Another poster, Quantrell, fears the abolishment of all "gifted and talented" programs, based on the idea that gifted white kids are not being allowed to "get too far ahead of Tyrone and LaKeesha." In my old high school, which was about 75% white, our valedectorian was a Black woman. and there were plenty "gifted and talented" programs chock full of whites and asians. So how did this young lady get so far ahead of Taylor and Becky?[/QUOTE] I'd guess her parents gave a crap, provided her with a stable and loving home, and inspired her to study and work hard to succeed at her studies, like most valedictorians. She may have gotten a racially based nod among the top three or four in your class -- who knows -- but I am trying to fathom your point.
What is it?
PS: Anecdote is not evidence, in a rigorous sense.
2005-06-02 21:12 | User Profile
The Freepers are coming... [img]http://www.cps-ecp.ca/images/decoration/shocked-people.jpg[/img]
2005-06-03 02:30 | User Profile
Angel eyes, you were right on point til you started with that "racially based nod" jive. In other words, when blacks fail it's always their fault, but when they succeed there's always a chance they were given a leg up somehow by whites. Anybody smell horseturds?
2005-06-03 02:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Angel eyes, you were right on point til you started with that "racially based nod" jive. In other words, when blacks fail it's always their fault, but when they succeed there's always a chance they were given a leg up somehow by whites. Anybody smell horseturds?[/QUOTE] Since I did not attend his school, I have no idea if it was an affirmative action sort of place or not. If not, good for her. Having seen both sides of that coin, I have to allow for either her merit or a compensatory preference to have taken place. Only the selection committee knows for sure, and I'll suggest they aren't telling. :cool2:
2005-06-03 03:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]In my old high school, which was about 75% white, our valedectorian was a Black woman. and there were plenty "gifted and talented" programs chock full of whites and asians. So how did this young lady get so far ahead of Taylor and Becky?[/QUOTE]Even assuming this is true, the occasional smart black person does nothing to change the well-established fact that the average black IQ is about 15 points lower than the average white IQ.
It also doesn't change the fact that blacks are heavily underrepresented in science, engineering, mathematics, and other difficult fields in which it's nearly impossible to BS your way through. This is particularly true at the graduate level. Discrimination is not the cause, as qualified black applicants are highly sought by graduate programs, and many generous scholarships are set aside solely for "underrepresented minority applicants." Hence, whites and Asians are actually discriminated against, yet they still earn technical degrees at a much higher rate than blacks. Why? Because blacks just can't comprehend the material as well as whites and Asians.
Finally, history shows that blacks have always lagged far behind other races in terms of technological developments. Any time there's a major scientific breakthrough, you can be 99.9% sure a black person wasn't responsible for it.
To repeat: there are indeed some very intelligent blacks in the world. I have even met a couple. They are just extremely rare.
2005-06-03 03:51 | User Profile
you really seem to have a bee in your bonnet about me and mine. You believe statistics and fact to be one and the same, but don't forget what your own Mark Twain said were the three types of lies. About Blacks in science, I could get back to you with the names of the five greatest scientists alive, four of whom were Black. I was discussing this last year with Sir Howard Cooke, Governor General of Jamaica, who I was priveleged to meet in Jamaica on a Study Abroad program. Even Dinesh D'Ouchebag, author of "THE END OF RACISM", which I'm sure some here have read, comments on how AFRICAN immigrants in Britain out-do White Britons in academics, much in the way Asians do here in the states. Granted, not every Black person in the world is a brainiac, but I see that, in truth, smart and dumb come in all colors equally.
2005-06-03 04:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]you really seem to have a bee in your bonnet about me and mine. Not at all. I'm just someone who believes in telling the truth, no matter how politically incorrect.
You believe statistics and fact to be one and the same, but don't forget what your own Mark Twain said were the three types of lies. Statistics is a rigorous mathematical discipline; hence, it doesn't ever "lie." It is possible to lie about statistical results obtained in a given study or set of studies, but that's clearly not the case in the field of psychometrics, where the black-white IQ gap is so well-established that even black psychologists don't doubt it exists (they only debate its cause).
About Blacks in science, I could get back to you with the names of the five greatest scientists alive, four of whom were Black. Really? Please tell me their names. I'd very much like to hear about their accomplishments.
I was discussing this last year with Sir Howard Cooke, Governor General of Jamaica, who I was priveleged to meet in Jamaica on a Study Abroad program. Even Dinesh D'Ouchebag, author of "THE END OF RACISM", which I'm sure some here have read, comments on how AFRICAN immigrants in Britain out-do White Britons in academics, much in the way Asians do here in the states. Granted, not every Black person in the world is a brainiac, but I see that, in truth, smart and dumb come in all colors equally.[/QUOTE]I haven't read that book, but if Africans in Britain are outdoing whites there (and assuming we're not talking about South African whites!), then perhaps motivation is a factor. If those black Africans are actually smarter than the whites in Britain, then that would be a highly anomalous situation -- especially since the vast majority of psychometric studies of black Africans have placed them even lower on the IQ scale than black Americans.
Please note that I do not hate blacks, even though I'm quite certain that they're less intelligent than other races on average. My position is that blacks should not gain benefits that they don't deserve at the expense of others because of complaints of "discrimination" and similar garbage.
2005-06-03 04:20 | User Profile
Niggers are dumb, it's a scientific fact (and pretty obvious to anyone who's ever had to interact with them).
2005-06-03 04:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Many of the posters seem to just assume that Black children are not as smart as white children,
However smart black children are, it hardly changes the reality that attempts to close the academic gap will consist of providing blacks with lots of extra help and holding down whites. And, even this will not be enough to close the gap.
In my old high school, which was about 75% white, our valedectorian was a Black woman. and there were plenty "gifted and talented" programs chock full of whites and asians. So how did this young lady get so far ahead of Taylor and Becky?[/QUOTE]
Bridget Green was the would-be valedictorian of a New Orleans high school a few years ago. The only thing standing in her way was that she couldn't pass the middle-school-level high school graduation test, in spite of a number of attempts. Her ACT test was below 99% of test takers. She pulled down 'A's in math but complained the math in the graduation test looked like nothing she had in school. In other words, she's dumb as a rock.
I assume most of her senior class had passed the graduation test, probably many with very good scores. The lesson is that when it comes to Racial Preferences and Political Correctness, accolades for blacks in no way proves anything. All that happened is that the non-blacks in the school were all screwed because their skin wasn't black.
2005-06-03 04:50 | User Profile
HAPPY HACKER-Bridget Green isn't whom I was referring to, My valedectorian's brother went to Yale. Did the world just pick that family to heap "accolades" on?
ANGLER-I don't doubt what the statistics say. I know I'm smart and so are 90% of the other Blacks I deal with, whether or not we do well in school-I personally did not: I damn near failed out, went to summer school twice, been in and out of Community College since then, and all of you should realize by now I'm no dumbnut.When I said Africans out-do whites in Britain, I meant Africans, not the descendants of white intruders in South Africa.
MADRUSSIAN-You're a dirty cracker who shouldn't be allowed to talk with the grown-ups.
2005-06-03 06:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]HAPPY HACKER-Bridget Green isn't whom I was referring to, My valedectorian's brother went to Yale. Did the world just pick that family to heap "accolades" on?[/QUOTE]
I was making a point, not saying that your valedictorian was Bridget Green. What does a Yale admission prove? You don't think Yale gives blacks raical preferences? Give me SAT scores (even though the SAT people are doing the best they can to close the racial gap through biasing the test).
2005-06-03 06:21 | User Profile
I was not saying that you were saying Bridget Green was my valedectorian; I was trying to illustrate that her story, whatever it actually was, was a completely different one from that of the young woman I knew.All she had in common with my high school's valedectorian was that they were both Black. Now her brother got into Yale because of racial preferences. I think I'm beginning to understand your logic: Whites achieve all they achieve on merit alone, whereas when Blacks achieve anything, merit plays little if any role. It's a convenient way of thinking, for whites who wish to cling to fantasies of being a superior race.
2005-06-03 06:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]The Freepers are coming... [img]http://www.cps-ecp.ca/images/decoration/shocked-people.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yes Black Jesus Guy may only be the first... fearfull :wacko: :unsure:
2005-06-03 06:39 | User Profile
Faust, that icon you use looks suspiciously like the dude from the bottle of Beefeater gin. Trust me, pour that mess down the drain. Did you read any of my posts, beyond when you realized I'm Black? I assume you saw my historical overview of the Roman Catlick abomination, that's why your'e calling me "Black Jesus Guy"-but do you really want me to look at that portrait of a white, homosexual-looking hippie type, and stretch my imagination to the point where I can believe that's what Jesus looked like?
2005-06-03 07:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Faust, that icon you use looks suspiciously like the dude from the bottle of Beefeater gin. Trust me, pour that mess down the drain. Did you read any of my posts, beyond when you realized I'm Black? I assume you saw my historical overview of the Roman Catlick abomination, that's why your'e calling me "Black Jesus Guy"-but do you really want me to look at that portrait of a white, homosexual-looking hippie type, and stretch my imagination to the point where I can believe that's what Jesus looked like?[/QUOTE]
It's great to have you here, Ked.
You rock, man. :thumbsup:
2005-06-03 07:59 | User Profile
Ked, you do make some points. I say, with Mr. Yannis, :rockon: !
2005-06-03 11:21 | User Profile
Dear Ked:
You're missing the main point of endemic black failure.
So, Ked, please tell me, how do you explain black group failure?
Please keep in mind that black failure - at least in comparison to whites and Asians - appears to be something of a global constant.
Blacks fail as a group wherever they find themselves. They inevitably find themselves on the bottom of whatever society they inhabit.
It matters not whether the country in question is majority black (South Africa) or white (United States) or split down the middle (Brazil). It matters not a whit whether the country was historically slave or free, or colonized (like Zimbabwe) or uncolonized (like Ethopia).
While there are always (praise the Lord) exceptions to the rule, you must admit that black populations are closely associated with poverty, crime, disease (including especially STDs) and despair. In fact, please name me one place in the whole world that is ruled by a majority of blacks that is clean, safe, and the sort of place you'd like to raise your kids. Blacks have never developed on their own anything approaching a technological society, with working infrastructure. Indeed, blacks have proven time and again that they are incapable of even maintaining the modern infrastructure whites built for them in former colonies like Kenya and Zimbabwe (or The South Bronx, for that matter).
Haiti just passed two hundred years of black majority rule, but you'll note that nobody is celebrating.
Please explain why that is. My theory of low black IQ explains it all rather elegantly, but I'm interested in hearing your explanation.
Ked, why are blacks - and I emphasize, as a group - such dismal failures?
Please believe me that I ask this in all good faith. But the question is inescapable. Black failure is so complete and so global in its reach that no honest discussion on interracial relations can take place without adressing the issue forthrightly.
You seem like a stand-up fellow who is interested in an honest discussion, and I assure you I (and most others here) are interested in the same.
Please look at this with eyes wide open, and post here your considered response.
Warmest regards,
Walter
2005-06-03 11:50 | User Profile
Yes Ked, please tell us your response.
2005-06-03 18:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]I was not saying that you were saying Bridget Green was my valedectorian; I was trying to illustrate that her story, whatever it actually was, was a completely different one from that of the young woman I knew.All she had in common with my high school's valedectorian was that they were both Black.
Being black is not a minor detail. In modern America, it's a ticket to reduced standards. How do I know your black valedictorian is any smarter than Bridget Green? Does your school eschew racial preferences and refuses to endorse any black-only school groups? Does your school ignore Black History Month and the MLK Jr. Holiday?
Even if your black valedectorian is smart, what's your point? That because she's smart, there's no massive chasm in academic ability of High School black and white seniors? That because she's smart, attempts to close that massive chasm won't consister of massive help for blacks while sabotaging white performance?
2005-06-03 18:54 | User Profile
[img]http://www.luna.co.uk/~jbryant/images/TNBaboons%20-%20do%20not%20feed.jpg[/img]
2005-06-03 20:55 | User Profile
Good to be back, everybody. It's me, the artist formerly known as Ked McFarlane. Walter, I guess some here are not as up for honest discussion as we are; one of our mods must have seen something they didn't like, and I got the boot. But never fear, "horatio" is here.To adress your points, Walter, every place that you mentioned where Black failure occurs was either slave or colonized, save for Ethiopia. Everyone from Alexander the Gay to Mussolini couldn't subdue that nation. And yes, Ethiopia has problems, and yes, they are no fault of the white man. What happened there was intertribal conflict, between the wealthy Amhara and the poor Oromo. Haile Selassie was Amhara, and was hardly a failure in anyone's sense of the word. In answer to your question of whether or not there's a Black-ruled nation that is safe, clean, and a decent place to raise children, there's Jamaica. I've been all over the island, and there's alot more to it than the white tourist hangouts and crime-ridden ghettoes we usually hear about here in the US. Happy Hacker, in answer to your questions about my high school, there were no "all-black school groups", unless you count my lunch table. Black history month was virtually ignored, MLK day was a day-off. Are you saying it should not have been? Is one holiday for a slain good man who happened to be Black, an indicator of preferential treatment of all Black students? If we're keeping count of which race has more holidays, there's always President's Day and Columbus Day. My high-school acquaintance Mike Shanahan maybe should start lobbying for St. Patrick's Day! And MadScienceType, if I see any baboons I won't feed them.
2005-06-03 21:37 | User Profile
Hello, Horatio. Good bye, Horatio.
Go blow your horn elsewhere.
2005-06-20 02:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]
Statistics is a rigorous mathematical discipline; hence, it doesn't ever "lie." It is possible to lie about statistical results obtained in a given study or set of studies, but that's clearly not the case in the field of psychometrics, where the black-white IQ gap is so well-established that even black psychologists don't doubt it exists (they only debate its cause)....
Please note that I do not hate blacks, even though I'm quite certain that they're less intelligent than other races on average. My position is that blacks should not gain benefits that they don't deserve at the expense of others because of complaints of "discrimination" and similar garbage.[/QUOTE] Do you trust psychologlists? I do not. How certain are you that Black people are less intelligent? read Dr. Diop, Lerone Bennet, Malcolm X. ONE LOVE, Obadiah.
2005-06-20 12:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=horatio]Good to be back, everybody. It's me, the artist formerly known as Ked McFarlane. Walter, I guess some here are not as up for honest discussion as we are; one of our mods must have seen something they didn't like, and I got the boot. But never fear, "horatio" is here.To adress your points, Walter, every place that you mentioned where Black failure occurs was either slave or colonized, save for Ethiopia. Everyone from Alexander the Gay to Mussolini couldn't subdue that nation. And yes, Ethiopia has problems, and yes, they are no fault of the white man. What happened there was intertribal conflict, between the wealthy Amhara and the poor Oromo. Haile Selassie was Amhara, and was hardly a failure in anyone's sense of the word. In answer to your question of whether or not there's a Black-ruled nation that is safe, clean, and a decent place to raise children, there's Jamaica. I've been all over the island, and there's alot more to it than the white tourist hangouts and crime-ridden ghettoes we usually hear about here in the US. .[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your response.
You're saying in effect that black failure - a constant of all human history - is a series of bad breaks and misunderstandings. If it's not slavery and colonialism, it's intertribal conflict.
You're saying that the problem is always "out there" - always some external circumstance.
Sorry, Ked, that's just not a reasonable theory.
Black failure is simply too global in its scope and too invariable through time to explain it in terms of an astonishing series of calamities. Especially when there is a perfectly reasonable alternate theory that explains not only black failure but also the results of generations of intelligence testing with elegant consistency.
Black failure isn't "out there." Black failure is not a question of external environment. Rather it is a problem internal to Africans and their evolved brains. The problem is that Africans just aren't very bright - as measured by the very narrow "g" index - by white and Asian standards. It is low black IQ that is the root cause of black failure.
You, Ked my friend, are in terrible denial about the simple fact of low black intelligence, proved time and again in the laboratory of human history and generations of careful research. Nothing good can come of this ego-feeding denial of the facts. Indeed, so long as the world engages in this comforting lie - and that's what it is, a lie - that all races are endowed equally with the "g" factor, then we'll continue to waste scarce resources on yet another failed plan to "bring Democracy to Haiti" or to "close the racial gap in education."
It is only when we accept the world as it really is - and not as we'd wish it to be - that we gain the ability to deal with it effectively. Denial is a terrible thing. It literally kills. If only we could have a frank and open discussion about low black intelligence, we might actually be able to come up with a win-win arrangement. But inflated egos - both black and white, are more important than actually dealing with the terrible, degrading suffering of blacks around the world.
[I]God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. [/I]
2005-06-21 02:56 | User Profile
Black low IQ scores are caused by a myriad of factors, but I'm sorry to inform you, genetics is not one of them. Some white people seem to have great difficulty letting go of the myth that "justifies" their superiority complex. When I say the IQ disparity is not genetic, please do not misinterpret me: I'M NOT PUTTING ALL THE BLAME ON THE WHITE MAN. Slavery or colonization, segregation, and oppression are partly to blame. In addition, however, we all know that pathology in some factions of the Black community that states that academic achievment is "acting white"-a legacy from the times when the only people who had any opportunity for that achievment were white. In addition, many Black youth are cynical about job opportunity-affirmative action or not, job discrimination against Blacks does still exist. Enter the drug trade, and sadly too many Black teenaged and young men drop school for the lure of fast money. If you were a teenager( teens of all races are generally not thrilled by homework), and you knew job opportunities were to be few, and you and yours would always be looked on as intelluctually inferior by the bigoted, despite your individual merit, perhaps you (I'm not making claims about you personally, just a hypothetical) would not give all your effort in taking a test produced by the very people who will say your race is stupid no matter how you score.
sincerely,
"Ked".
2005-06-21 03:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]If you were a teenager( teens of all races are generally not thrilled by homework), and you knew job opportunities were to be few, and you and yours would always be looked on as intelluctually inferior by the bigoted, despite your individual merit, perhaps you (I'm not making claims about you personally, just a hypothetical) would not give all your effort in taking a test produced by the very people who will say your race is stupid no matter how you score. [/QUOTE]
The very nature of this claim makes it impossible to test.
2005-06-21 03:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]Black low IQ scores are caused by a myriad of factors, but I'm sorry to inform you, genetics is not one of them. Some white people seem to have great difficulty letting go of the myth that "justifies" their superiority complex. When I say the IQ disparity is not genetic, please do not misinterpret me: I'M NOT PUTTING ALL THE BLAME ON THE WHITE MAN. Slavery or colonization, segregation, and oppression are partly to blame. In addition, however, we all know that pathology in some factions of the Black community that states that academic achievment is "acting white"-a legacy from the times when the only people who had any opportunity for that achievment were white. In addition, many Black youth are cynical about job opportunity-affirmative action or not, job discrimination against Blacks does still exist. Enter the drug trade, and sadly too many Black teenaged and young men drop school for the lure of fast money. If you were a teenager( teens of all races are generally not thrilled by homework), and you knew job opportunities were to be few, and you and yours would always be looked on as intelluctually inferior by the bigoted, despite your individual merit, perhaps you (I'm not making claims about you personally, just a hypothetical) would not give all your effort in taking a test produced by the very people who will say your race is stupid no matter how you score.
sincerely, "Ked".[/QUOTE] Two fallacies.
Not everyone creating the IQ test did so with the explicit intention of designing it to ensure that Blacks did badly on that. I'd suggest not anyone, but maybe there was one on the team who tried. The knock on the IQ test was that unintentional, contextual bias was discovered after a very rigorous dissection of the exam was done with the explicit intent to find bias. As I understand it, attempts to neutralize those influences has been ongoing for some three decades.
While that test cannot have a universally "black" analogue, the authors identified only two populations on Earth, Ashkenazi and Parsi folks in India, who could be tested due to cultural anomalies over centuries, it shows at least some influence of genetic mapping to intelligence.
This leaves us to your nature or nurture position being heavily nurture. The political conditions that lead to a de emphasizing of mental achievement is complex. The blame finger points all over the map, but I'll remind you that blame can't solve a root cause: stable family and parental emhpasis on education is what gets the best out of a developing child. That problem has grown in parallel with the disposable father trend of the last 50 years.
That's where the fix needs to start.
2005-06-21 10:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE][obadiah]Black low IQ scores are caused by a myriad of factors, but I'm sorry to inform you, genetics is not one of them.[/QUOTE]
That's just wrong, Ked. The studies of identical twins separated at birth and raised in different environments prove conclusivley that IQ is mostly genetic. In fact, the "environmental" component is probably in part an artifact of the genetic component.
Have you read the Bell Curve?
After the Bell Curve came out, a group of leading professionals in the field of intelligence testing published a full page ad in the NewYork Times that confirmed that there is a genetic factor in IQ. There really is ZERO disagreement on that point among professionals, and this is based on generations of careful research.
Why do you say that there is no genetic factor in IQ?
You offer no support at all for your position, please substantiate it. Else, one can only assume that you refuse to accept that low black IQ is at least partly due to genetic factors because you find the notion emotionally unpalatable.
[QUOTE]Some white people seem to have great difficulty letting go of the myth that "justifies" their superiority complex.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no.
This same research does NOT prove that whites are the smartest race. Quite to the contrary, whites are measurably less intelligent than northern Asians as a group. There are other issues there, such as the width of the white standard deviation versus that of Asians, but leaving that aside, as a group there's really no doubt that evolution pushed Asians toward greater intelligence on average than whites.
So where's "white supremacy" in that?
And then there's the question of Ashkenazi Jews, who are on average the smartest people in the world as measured by IQ. Most of us here see Ashenazi Jews as Enemy No. 1 of the white race, so I'm not seeing anything particularly comforting for us white nationalist types in that either.
Ked, facts are what they are - they don't depend on what we want. We have to look at these things with eyes wide open.
I understand that it can't be a particularly pleasant thing to hear that one's race is singularly unintelligent, especially when most if not all of our most valued life outcomes turn on IQ. But again, Ked my friend, if that's the way it is, then that's the way it is. It does no good - and indeed does great harm - to insist on such a clearly erroneous position in the face of all evidence (and professional opinion) to the contrary.
[QUOTE]If you were a teenager( teens of all races are generally not thrilled by homework), and you knew job opportunities were to be few, and you and yours would always be looked on as intelluctually inferior by the bigoted, despite your individual merit, perhaps you (I'm not making claims about you personally, just a hypothetical) would not give all your effort in taking a test produced by the very people who will say your race is stupid no matter how you score.
sincerely,
"Ked".[/QUOTE]
One of the other important facts that related research has shown is that blacks are by nature much less future-orientated that whites or Asians (with Asians being, as always, more future-orientated than whites).
In other words, if you ask a black kid to have a small Mars bar now or wait two days for a supersized Mars bar, the black kid is much more likely to take the bite-sized candy today rather than postpoining gratification than are both whites and Asians.
This is tied into relative intelligence. People with low IQs have shorter time horizons than people with higher IQs. They live much more immediately in the eternal present than smart people. How they're feeling at a given moment is what they care about - reason doesn't sit on top of their minds like others, directing things.
I worked for a while as a public defender, and I saw this every day. Criminals tend to be dumb, with most crimes involving immediate needs that could be met only by resort to illegal activity. I don't know how many "beer runs" I defended - where a bunch of black or browns (usually) walk into a liquor store, grab a bunch of stuff, and RUN!!! :biggrin:
It was funny, really. I used to get a real kick out of those stupid bastard. Lawdy but they were dumb. And some of them were pretty personable - rather likeable folks in their own sort of lowlife way. But they were dumb. Most were mentally where a normal white eight year old would be. Lots of instinctive impulse, not much rational override. In automotive terms, these folks were all gas and no brakes.
I often asked them what in the hell they were thinking when they did that (naturally they're on securitiy camera, the cops aren't far away, they have no real contingency plan for getting away, etc.) and the answer was usually "well, me and my home boys were kickin' back, and we ran out of beer, and none of us had any money!" And that was basically it.
Stimulus-response, stimulus-response. That's the way it is with most blacks that I've known.
Low IQ causes blacks to prefer the quick fix in most things. Working a career development plan over a period of many years is way far beyond the very short time horizons their low intelligence affords them.
I'm not saying that they're evil or sick for this, I'm just saying that this is the way it is.
We need to accept reality on reality's terms, Ked.
2005-06-21 14:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]Black low IQ scores are caused by a myriad of factors, but I'm sorry to inform you, genetics is not one of them. Some white people seem to have great difficulty letting go of the myth that "justifies" their superiority complex. When I say the IQ disparity is not genetic, please do not misinterpret me: I'M NOT PUTTING ALL THE BLAME ON THE WHITE MAN. Slavery or colonization, segregation, and oppression are partly to blame. In addition, however, we all know that pathology in some factions of the Black community that states that academic achievment is "acting white"-a legacy from the times when the only people who had any opportunity for that achievment were white. In addition, many Black youth are cynical about job opportunity-affirmative action or not, job discrimination against Blacks does still exist. Enter the drug trade, and sadly too many Black teenaged and young men drop school for the lure of fast money. If you were a teenager( teens of all races are generally not thrilled by homework), and you knew job opportunities were to be few, and you and yours would always be looked on as intelluctually inferior by the bigoted, despite your individual merit, perhaps you (I'm not making claims about you personally, just a hypothetical) would not give all your effort in taking a test produced by the very people who will say your race is stupid no matter how you score.
sincerely,
"Ked".[/QUOTE]
Weren't you banned from this forum?
2005-06-21 16:05 | User Profile
Very insightful reply, Walter. I enjoyed it.
2005-06-22 02:55 | User Profile
I believe that any genetic component in IQ is true only terms of families, not entire races. The insistence that IQ=genes=Black inferiority is a crutch for racists. I do not put any stock in what that Jew Herrnstein and that white boy Mr. Charley Murray spew, "professionals" or not. Walter, you gave some examples of bad experiences you've had with Blacks, in which they've acted dumb. Most of the Blacks I know are smart, and most of the whites I've met, as well as most Jews and Asians I've met, do not seem any smarter than Blacks. Am I to trust statistics over my own experiences?
2005-06-22 03:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah] Am I to trust statistics over my own experiences?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
2005-06-22 03:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah] Am I to trust statistics over my own experiences?[/QUOTE] LOL! Let's test your reasoning:
-Back around 2000, I was with my girlfriend up in her homestate of Alaska. I happened upon a Black Bear while fishing...I slowly crept back to my car, and the Black Bear did not try to attack me. Conclusion based on your reasoning: BLACK BEARS ARE NOT DANGEROUS TO HUMANS.
-When I was in high school, this kid who lived in the apartment building next to mind overdosed on heroin, went into cardiac arrest, was rushed the hospital, and eventually recovered fully. Conclusion based on your reasoning: PEOPLE DO NOT DIE FROM HEROIN OVERDOSES.
-I live in the United States and I have never met an American Indian. Conclusion based on your reasoning: AMERICAN INDIANS DO NOT EXIST.
2005-06-22 03:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=2600]Yes.[/QUOTE] why?
2005-06-22 03:26 | User Profile
I know a white guy who is not a racist, a serial killer, a child-molester, nor a faggot. according to statistics, he's a liar!
2005-06-22 03:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]I know a white guy who is not a racist, a serial killer, a child-molester, nor a faggot. according to statistics, he's a liar![/QUOTE] That statement would be correct if statistical data were to prove that 100% of men of European genetic extraction are homosexual, pedophile, serial murderers. Suffice to say, it strains credibiliy to suggest that such data exists.
2005-06-22 03:36 | User Profile
I finally see what the problem with niggers is: the statistics portraying them as violence-prone dumb stone-age savages is inconsistent with people's experiences, NOT :D
2005-06-22 03:39 | User Profile
Mad Russian, please stop being a kindergartner or just shut your stupid slavic ass up. newsflash, retard :drool: : Hitler would not have accepted YOU as white. It makes little sense for you to jump on any white-bigot bandwagon. :dung:
2005-06-22 03:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Thomas777]That statement would be correct if statistical data were to prove that 100% of men of European genetic extraction are homosexual, pedophile, serial murderers. Suffice to say, it strains credibiliy to suggest that such data exists.[/QUOTE] Why didn't you mention racist?
2005-06-22 04:16 | User Profile
OBADIAH? You must learn not to take people here as being real, this is only a screen with someone sitting behind it with a keyboard.
Go with the flo and don't fight it, when they insult you be nice to them, like I do, and you will find out that that will annoy them more than if you were to insult them.
My best friend is a black woman 44 years old with a kid and a boyfriens and with an IQ of 146 a Master and going now for her PhD.
And don't worry to much about the mad Russian, he dosen't like anyone, even himself. :rockon:
2005-06-22 04:37 | User Profile
Thanks, Ponce. A little less of this :argue: between me and the rest of the crew would be good for all of us. Thanks for the encouragement, bro.
2005-06-22 04:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]Why didn't you mention racist?[/QUOTE]
Your opinion is of no interest.
However, your view of intelligence is that of a pampered child - without knowledge.
Now, tell me do you have knowledge of the reports of Carl Jung? Perhaps the written work of Eysenck? Have you indulged into the work of William James [an American]? I mention only those that may be known to the learned reader, that may wish to understand the meaning of deficient intellect and criminality.
Or perhaps you rely on criminal street-culture. The violent cretins of society.
There exists a precise grading in descendant order:
Moron - IQ 50-70 Imbecile - IQ 25-50 Idiot - IQ below 25
The average (mean) is 100 for Europeans and Americans.
Most prisoners in America and England are Black or similar. [I refer to America and England as that is the Third-World migrants objective] Their mean IQ is around 90. Many below 90. The scale in not arithmetic in simple terms, ie, not incremental in unitary value. In other words, there is great difference between one IQ unit and another. It is the ratio of determined mental age over chronological age, multiplied by 100, to rid results of decimal points.
The outcome is determinate and without question. There is no argument.
What is now required is the means to put an end to it.
Mentzer
2005-06-22 05:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]OBADIAH? You must learn not to take people here as being real, this is only a screen with someone sitting behind it with a keyboard.
Go with the flo and don't fight it, when they insult you be nice to them, like I do, and you will find out that that will annoy them more than if you were to insult them.
My best friend is a black woman 44 years old with a kid and a boyfriens and with an IQ of 146 a Master and going now for her PhD.
And don't worry to much about the mad Russian, he dosen't like anyone, even himself. :rockon:[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should write that again - without the errors and pathos.
May I suggest this boy:
"I have a pretend 'boyfriens'. It has an IQ of 146. It is Black - don't you know! Him or her is a master. Its has a 'kid'. Three mongrels and 6 kittens. It would like a 'PhD' in something. It wants to fly to Mars and back again. Do not worry we is smart".
And what keyboard do you sit behind? Little animal?
Do not offend me.
Mentzer
2005-06-22 05:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]why?[/QUOTE]
You should try taking an introductory course in statistics or logic sometime. It would do you wonders.
2005-06-22 05:30 | User Profile
Mentzer, you've got a sh--load of growing up to do. You saw Ponce and I post and get along, and you had to open your dumb, dog-kissing mouth just because someone here wasn't being an a$$hole to me. If you're grasping at the straw of white superiority, you're going about it the wrong way. Your insulting post reads like the work of a middle-school bully. Are you a twelve-year old girl, 'cause you sure act like one. If you are, be careful on the internet. Stay away from white men, alot of 'em are baby-rapists.
2005-06-22 05:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]Mentzer, you've got a sh--load of growing up to do. You saw Ponce and I post and get along, and you had to open your dumb, dog-kissing mouth just because someone here wasn't being an a$$hole to me. If you're grasping at the straw of white superiority, you're going about it the wrong way. Your insulting post reads like the work of a middle-school bully. Are you a twelve-year old girl, 'cause you sure act like one. If you are, be careful on the internet. Stay away from white men, alot of 'em are baby-rapists.[/QUOTE]
You [if you are even a black man and not some troll] are proving the case for white superiority.
Mentzer is German, I believe...so English isn't his first language.
2005-06-22 05:35 | User Profile
I don't give a flyin' fish if she's German, English or Austrailian. It's her attitude, not her grammar, that I'm talking about.
2005-06-22 05:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]I don't give a flyin' fish if she's German, English or Austrailian. It's her attitude, not her grammar, that I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
Your attitude is just as bad, if not worse.
People who live in glass houses...
2005-06-22 06:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=2600]You should try taking an introductory course in statistics or logic sometime. It would do you wonders.[/QUOTE]
It would not understand it.
It has crept onto this forum like a night-crawling insect - and it has the 'brain' of a cockroach.
It will taste the heel of my boot.
Mentzer
2005-06-22 06:03 | User Profile
...shouldn't walk around the house naked!
2005-06-22 06:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Mentzer]It would not understand it.
It has crept onto this forum like a night-crawling insect - and it has the 'brain' of a cockroach.
It will taste the heel of my boot.
Mentzer[/QUOTE]
It puts the lotion on the skin.
It does what it's told.
It puts the Joe Dirt in the hole.
2005-06-22 06:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=obadiah]Mentzer, you've got a sh--load of growing up to do. You saw Ponce and I post and get along, and you had to open your dumb, dog-kissing mouth just because someone here wasn't being an a$$hole to me. If you're grasping at the straw of white superiority, you're going about it the wrong way. Your insulting post reads like the work of a middle-school bully. Are you a twelve-year old girl, 'cause you sure act like one. If you are, be careful on the internet. Stay away from white men, alot of 'em are baby-rapists.[/QUOTE]
You are an idiot.
I am German. You little punk.
Do not express your gutter-getto garbage.
Learn how to spell. You fool.
I know what I am. You know not what you are. You squeak and squeal like a hog on the run through the forest - and I enjoy hunting.
Mentzer
2005-06-22 06:21 | User Profile
This idiot [obadiah] sent me an offensive private message.
I have not responded.
Its purpose it to make a fool of Original Dissent.
But that should be apparent - by now.
Mentzer
2005-06-22 06:34 | User Profile
Hey katzenfresser, ease up on the idiot.