← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · who'sbobbarr?
Thread ID: 18481 | Posts: 30 | Started: 2005-06-01
2005-06-01 23:31 | User Profile
How many of you come from Italians, Irish, Polish, etc. who came to this country and were called micks, paddies, guineas, polacks, etc. by the reigning white power structure, and were finally "accepted" because at least they were "white". Please don't anybody feed me that "yeah, but we did it through hard work!" The European immigrants DID work hard, and that by all means is to their credit. Today, the Hispanic, Asian, and Black-Caribbean immigrants are also working hard. Vicente Fox is partly right. Blacks have always been given the crappiest jobs, and have done them, but now if a job is too crappy, a Hispanic- or a Black Caribbean -immigrant will gladly do it. So why do some grandsons and great-grandsons of European newcomers want so badly to "raise the drawbridge?"
2005-06-01 23:55 | User Profile
Uncle Bob, [QUOTE]So why do some grandsons and great-grandsons of European newcomers want so badly to "raise the drawbridge?"[/QUOTE] The short answer is this. It is to everyones advantage for this country to stay White. That includes Blacks and Browns who were born here. East Asia being an exception, all anyone has to do is to simply look at the countries that the bulk of these people come from. They are third world garbage dumps.
A lot of those "crappiest" jobs you refer to were done not only by Blacks, but Whites as well. Construction work used to be a good paying trade to be in. It isn't anymore and the Blacks I used to work with and around are no longer there. Neither are the Whites. The wages had the bottom knocked out of them primarily by illegal labor. If you think you are getting over on whitey with this you are wrong. You're screwing your own people too.
If you're civil, I'll discuss this with you.
2005-06-02 00:07 | User Profile
you've got a good point about working-class blacks and whites losing jobs to illegal immigration. I'm by no means anti-American or even anti-white. I respect the working man whatever his skin tone or place of birth. Please tell me why it is an advantage for the USA to "stay white", and don't forget that putting down someone's country of origin as a "garbage dump" is the same type of thing that was said about the places I dicussed such as Italy and Ireland.
2005-06-02 01:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]So why do some grandsons and great-grandsons of European newcomers want so badly to "raise the drawbridge?"[/QUOTE]Because they recognize that mass immigration is a pure government externality: profits are privatized, costs are socialized.
The mass Italian, Irish and Slavic immigrations at the turn of the century caused immense social problems and irrevocably changed the culture of the US Northeast. History is being repeated with mass Third World immigration.
I have no problem with people from different, assimilable races and cultures coming here who are net tax producers that can pull their own weight. So much the richer us, so much the poorer their home countries. British and Western Europeans who leave their decaying countries for the US do quite well here. As do the Latin Americans of Spanish descent, unlike the mestizo and Aztec trash they push in here ahead of them.
Thanks to the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, Somalian taxi drivers are treated the same as German electrical engineers, which is an absurd result.
2005-06-02 02:32 | User Profile
Where is this MLK institute, or was that your idea of a joke? Am I mistaken, or do people from Irish, Italian, and Slavic countries not qualify as "white" in your view? As for the "mestizos and aztecs", what's so "trashy" about workin' hard? I suppose you'll pull some LA Mexican gang out of your ass to defend your right ti indict an entire race.
2005-06-02 02:50 | User Profile
The problem is, you've framed the argument incorrectly. It's not up to whites to explain why we want to, as you put it, "raise the drawbridge" (raising the drawbridge when the barbarian hordes are threatening to overwhelm your home seems like a perfectly sensible idea to me). Rather, the onus is on people who advocate a race-replacement immigration policy, who want to transform racially the American population through non-traditional, non-white immigration. They have yet to make their case. They still need to explain why they want to leave the drawbridge down and invite the savages into our home. :cool: [QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]So why do some grandsons and great-grandsons of European newcomers want so badly to "raise the drawbridge?"[/QUOTE]
2005-06-02 03:06 | User Profile
yeah, you got the joke. whites today are so ignorant they do see all foreigners as "barbarian hordes." What is "race-replacement immigration?" is there a "scheme", or does it just so happen that the tired, the poor, and the downtrodden of today come from non-white countries, as those of yesteryear came from Europe?
2005-06-02 03:19 | User Profile
I'm still waiting for an explanation. Why do certain people advocate a race-replacement immigration policy? Why do whites need to be replaced? Why must we become a minority in our own land? They need to explain how exactly it benefits us to let our communities be overrun.
2005-06-02 03:21 | User Profile
like I said, is there such a movement, or do most of today's immigrants just happen to come from non-white countries?
2005-06-02 03:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]Please tell me why it is an advantage for the USA to "stay white", and don't forget that putting down someone's country of origin as a "garbage dump" is the same type of thing that was said about the places I dicussed such as Italy and Ireland.[/QUOTE]
Look. You're not going to make any waves here. In another thread I just admitted I know you're a human being, etc.. But you have to stop your own hate. You have a lot of it. For example, right now, I'm going to tell you that Italy and Ireland were NEVER third-world you blabbering dolt. All it takes is a tour through these countries to see the vast difference between them and your ilk. Like a different race, perhaps ? Forsooth. Still, I believe in the Spirit, and I believe it Moves Us.. This is your call, man.. don't let your prejudice get in the way of the truth. Because you are Proud of your own Race, and there is no Glory but God's !!
2005-06-02 03:29 | User Profile
As I said, it is up to you to make the case for the racial transformation of the American population through non-traditional, non-white immigration, and why it is beneficial to whites. I'm still waiting.
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]like I said, is there such a movement, or do most of today's immigrants just happen to come from non-white countries?[/QUOTE]
2005-06-02 03:43 | User Profile
First of all, I never said Italy or Ireland were ever third world. I said people who today speak disparagingly about third world countries, must remember that in the past, some white americans spoke disparagingly about the poorer among the European nations. Do I have a lot of hate? yes I do. I hate dishonesty, I hate bigotry, and I hate the willful perpetuation of ignorance. Now, as to your comments about the supposed vast gulf between the Europeans and "my ilk", who are "my ilk"?-the Thais, the Kurds? now not just all Blacks are culturally identical, but all third-worlders and all Blacks, third world or not, are culturally identical. Except if the Black country in question-ancient Egypt or Palestine for example-had a high level of civilization. Then they're mediterranean, or if that term doesn't make sense, theyr'e just "not Black." This transformation can easily be done by picking out the members of that nation who had straight hair or small noses, or lighter skin than other Blacks. Here in the US, there's a number of Blacks who look like that, but not to worry, you can just call them names and pretend they're inferior.call them "bushmen" and hope that calling them that makes it so.
2005-06-02 03:46 | User Profile
well, whites have always loved to have their work done for them, and you know what Vicente Fox says. Secondly, it's not in and of itself beneficial nor detrimental to whites: the whites are people and the immigrants are people, simple as that.
2005-06-02 03:50 | User Profile
Weak. You're not even trying to explain why the racial transformation of the American population through non-traditional, non-white immigration, would be beneficial to whites. You need to explain why it is an advantage for the USA to become non-white. If this is an agenda you support, you should at least make a stab at arguing the case.
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]well, whites have always loved to have their work done for them, and you know what Vicente Fox says. Secondly, it's not in and of itself beneficial nor detrimental to whites: the whites are people and the immigrants are people, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
2005-06-02 03:55 | User Profile
Long ago the doors were wide open because we had the space but now is to crowded and the doors should slam shut.
How many people will a sack of rice feed? and there are no more sacks of rice hanging around.
As you know sinse June of 2004 we have not been exporting food and soon will be importing it.
2005-06-02 03:56 | User Profile
Maybe because I'm not a racist, that's why I don't see the immigration issue purely in terms of race. If I don't have an answer to a question, I don't have an answer to it. You and I view the immigration issue differently. I see it as poor people coming to this country to work hard to make a better life for themselves and their families. You SEEM TO-and forgive me if I'm wrong-see it as some sort of horrible threat to your existance, simply because the people in question are not white. My answer is: I don't see it as beneficial nor detrimental to white people. How do you see it?
2005-06-02 03:57 | User Profile
Are you sure race plays no part in your clamoring for the doors to be slammed shut?
2005-06-02 04:16 | User Profile
actually, who'sbob, I see it as an invasion.
The difference which you cannot refute is that the new immigrants are kiss-azzed and don't have to go through all that hard stuff like learning a new English language which my ancestors did. Nope, you all get to live in your own press 1 for english press 2 for spanish toddler land. Press 3 for welfare Press 4 for another identity and Press 5 for social security in Mexico. Press 6 for Communism. Wow.
2005-06-02 04:40 | User Profile
"you all." I don't speak a word of spanish, I live in no "toddler land" where we all speak spanish, and I do believe the new immigrants should learn English; any society needs a language that all the citizens can speak. If we expect to ever have a society here in the US, we all need to speak a common language.
2005-06-02 05:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]"you all." I don't speak a word of spanish, I live in no "toddler land" where we all speak spanish, and I do believe the new immigrants should learn English; any society needs a language that all the citizens can speak. If we expect to ever have a society here in the US, we all need to speak a common language.[/QUOTE]
Well Taken. The powers-that-be are afraid of a joining of the black and the white. Jews run in fear .. whosbobarr, you're definitely cool with me. What you posted before, I don't care about. Say what you want about me, call me a ... Ronnie G.D. is not a racist. Ive lived too long for that. bobbarr, you talk like sht, and you lie. Still. Wake up whites. This is the world we live in. There isn't going to be a Northwest Homeland. You cannot make America only White. I've been on the White internet and biker groups in real life since 1995. Forget aboiut it. Its bs. Together we can make a better life and we just have to show the nigs the error of their ways. One more generation. One More. After that, if they do not assimilate, we shall revert to bling bling .
2005-06-02 05:25 | User Profile
Fact is, that the Jews worst nightmare would be a grouping of White America and Black America. Together. Everything the WHite did was born of SLAIN BLOOD and everything the Negro did was of HARD LABOR . Jews seek to separate us, they seek to divide us. Imagine if you were black. I have a feeling that as bad as our lives can be, we don't even smoke the pipe of " whos bob " . btw you need a new name so get it. Life in this modern age is about network. I'm more white than your momma, and you know what ? Be a Man........ There is No Glory in the Flesh.
2005-06-02 10:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]Where is this MLK institute, or was that your idea of a joke? It's in Atlanta. It's a joke.
You need to address my points. We are importing net tax consumers at the expense of net tax producers, and enabling rent-seeking by businesses.
As for the "mestizos and aztecs", what's so "trashy" about workin' hard? I suppose you'll pull some LA Mexican gang out of your ass to defend your right ti indict an entire race.[/QUOTE]If you think the mestizos and Aztecs are so desirable, why do you think the ruling class Spaniards in Mexico are dumping them on us?
Am I mistaken, or do people from Irish, Italian, and Slavic countries not qualify as "white" in your view? Who said anything about "white?" I'm talking about assimilability in general. The waves of poverty-stricken, criminal Irishmen, Italians and Slavs who came here beginning in the 1850's took decades to assimilate, and the Northeast and Rust Belt have been pits of corrupt municipal politics, unions, gangsterism and socialist economic policies ever since.
What do you think are the consequences of bringing widely disparate races and cultures together and telling them they can't discriminate against each other?
Who is going to pay for all the EASL instructors and increased municipal services and infrastructure? Remember, most of these people are net tax consumers.
As Stuka has pointed out, you need to make a case for continued mass immigration.
2005-06-02 13:24 | User Profile
Bob,
I'm going to reverse your post so to deal with this first. [QUOTE]Please tell me why it is an advantage for the USA to "stay white", and don't forget that putting down someone's country of origin as a "garbage dump" is the same type of thing that was said about the places I dicussed such as Italy and Ireland.[/QUOTE] As I noted previously these countries, whether one wishes to admit it or not really are dumps. I base this on my own critical observations. I've been down to Mexico and while there are nice areas, I have never seen a more run down place. Haiti is the same. Whether this is due to genetic reasons or culture I'm am not sure, it is probably a combination of both. You tell me. I do know this- I don't want to see that up here. The area I live in has seen an explosion in Mexican illegals and other third worlders. Where they live reminds me of Mexico. The same holds true where the Haitians have set up shop. While I don't doubt that some of these folks could be assimilated I am convinced the vast majority can not and I am not willing to take the risk that some social engineers think we can for I know quite well that once this country becomes third world the chances are it will remain so. The people that want this are playing a cynical game of divide and conquer. The more "diversity" one has the more opportunity to play one culture or race against one another. Blacks don't gain anything by third world immigration despite the nonsense that whores like Jesse Jackson say. The areas the illegals move to are usually the black areas and as a result when a critical mass occures one sees the sort of social problems one finds in Watts. School riots and low wages. There is enough racial unrest in America without bringing more in simply so a few people can save money on wages. What I've written here is all the reasons and observations I need to see why not only raise the drawbridge, but better yet, blown the thing. The boat's full. [QUOTE]you've got a good point about working-class blacks and whites losing jobs to illegal immigration. I'm by no means anti-American or even anti-white. I respect the working man whatever his skin tone or place of birth.[/QUOTE] This is my main concern. In Atlanta illegal immigration has done immense damage the the wages, benefits and yes, lead to the elimination of overtime in some cases and every bit of this can be laid at the feet of the illegals and corrupt "business men". By the way, the Blacks I know are mad as hell about this and I don't blame them for one minute.
2005-06-02 14:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Fact is, that the Jews worst nightmare would be a grouping of White America and Black America. Together. Everything the WHite did was born of SLAIN BLOOD and everything the Negro did was of HARD LABOR . Jews seek to separate us, they seek to divide us. Imagine if you were black. [/QUOTE]
That's a great point ExDeo, very true indeed, which is why the Jews forced Civil Rights and Intergration down the throats of Whites and Blacks....under the cover of the slogan "Unite" and "Justice" where they fully knew that such evil laws, once enforced, would certainly Divide and Conquer.
However, it's the blacks today who are more opposed to uniting with Whites in a common cause, being they're still under the spell of the race baiters who constantly tell them their problems are all related to White racism whether explicitly or implicitly. Except maybe Farrakhan, who certainly knows the common enemy of Whites and Blacks very well and goes out on the limb to say such things.
2005-06-02 16:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=who'sbobbarr?]Are you sure race plays no part in your clamoring for the doors to be slammed shut?[/QUOTE]
Hahahahahah who'sbobbarr, love you man.
I am a Cuban of Spanish father and an American-Irish mother and my best friend is a 44 year old black woman mother of one with a Master and now going for her PhD.
Like I said before I have no formal education but that does not mean that I have to be stupid.
What is going on now I call it "the silent invasion" and America is loosing it.
2005-06-02 17:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]That's a great point ExDeo, very true indeed, which is why the Jews forced Civil Rights and Intergration down the throats of Whites and Blacks....under the cover of the slogan "Unite" and "Justice" where they fully knew that such evil laws, once enforced, would certainly Divide and Conquer.
However, it's the blacks today who are more opposed to uniting with Whites in a common cause, being they're still under the spell of the race baiters who constantly tell them their problems are all related to White racism whether explicitly or implicitly. Except maybe Farrakhan, who certainly knows the common enemy of Whites and Blacks very well and goes out on the limb to say such things.[/QUOTE]
I agree.. there is probably more anti-white racism in the black community than anti-black in the white community. But still, there is still a chance of us seeing a common enemy. After all, it's the neocons and Jew bigwigs who really ruin things for this country. The blacks have to smarten up. They need to end the jealousy ticket. My ancestors never owned a slave. Only a small minority of white families ever did. And the Jews were the biggest dealers of slaves. Most who owned slaves treated them with kindness. The blacks need to edumacate dem selves. They need to grow up and become true citizens. I would say they got about another 10-20 years to do so. If they don't, their burden on society will become too large to further ignore, and could rightfully be judged as a permanent lack of character. I think this next 10-20 years is the blacks last chance ... I for one am not going to give them any more than that, and let's face it, we've been more than generous, to our own detriment.
2005-06-02 18:36 | User Profile
my latin's getting better! Rather than "avoid the Zoid", I'd prefer to discuss some of said Zoid's latest comments. First of all, I notice that just when you start making sense, you always divert to some bigoted bullcorn, about "teaching the nigs the error of their ways", us playing the "jealousy ticket", etc. Before you start worrying about the errors of our ways, get your own house in order. How can you pull the speck out of your brother's eye without first you pull the beam out of your eye. Maybe you can start on that by trying to refrain from calling us "nigs." As for your "jealousy ticket", I am not jealous of any white person who ever lived on the face of this earth, believe me. Blacks need to "edumacate dem selves". You know we don't talk like that. And if we don't shape up in one more generation, our shortcomings will be "judged as a permanent lack of character"? Judged by whom? whites are not my Judge. Your attitudes prove right that skit by the Last Poets-"The white man's got a god complex."
2005-06-02 19:19 | User Profile
You got it bob, people have a perception of who you are and then you have who you really are and that's why I feel good as to whom I am because at the end I am the one who has to live with myself.
PS: Did I use use that who and whom the right way? English is a very confusing language.
2005-06-02 19:27 | User Profile
good to get some feedback that's not the shit-fits I get from most of these kids. Don't worry about the who and whom usage, if you made a grammatical error I didn't notice. It's the substance of what we say that matters, and much of what you say is, as brothers in the 1970's used to say, RIGHT ON!:afro:
2005-06-02 20:10 | User Profile
bob, learn how to use the "quote" button.. i know it took me a while too. I'm not talking about you when I talk about Blacks in general.. so learn how to separate. Whether you stay on OD or not depends on your behavior. I noticed that Tex is ready to boot you off. So let's be civil. My statement about one more generation is real, man. The only reason I speak as such is that you make outrageous claims about your race. Take away welfare, and almost half of Blacks would be on the street licking pavement. Take away the drug trade, and that goes up to 75 %. I know you are not in said category, and truthfully I would like to have us discuss other issues rather than members seeing you as a troll, one-sided mechasmicom. Can we bury the hatchet on this issue ? lol i just invented a new word - mechasmicom.. :cool2: