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Thread ID: 18457 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-05-30
2005-05-30 19:42 | User Profile
Another possible reason El Arbusto doesn't stop the flow of illegals.
[url]http://www.sierratimes.com/05/05/30/carruba05-31-05.htm[/url]
Mexico's Coming Collapse Alan Caruba
I received an email recently from a 55-year-old, unemployed American who had been to 14 States looking for work. He couldnââ¬â¢t find any, he said, because ââ¬ÅI am not a Mexican.ââ¬Â Despite a desire to work, he could not compete with the cheap wages Mexican illegals will take. They do so because wages in Mexico continue to leave a vast portion of that nationââ¬â¢s population in poverty, forced to live on $3 to $4 dollars per person a day.
According to data from the CIA, 40% of the Mexican population lives below the poverty line. The current population is estimated to be 106,202,900 people and the labor force is estimated to be 34.73 million. Despite being rich in natural resources, the Mexican economy is highly dependent on the US economy. We buy 84% of all Mexican exports, compared to Canada that buys a mere 1.8%. ââ¬ÅPer capita income is one-fourth that of the US; income distribution remains highly unequal.ââ¬Â Thatââ¬â¢s a diplomatic way of saying a handful of Mexican elites own most of everything.
[B]There are a lot of reasons advanced to explain why the Bush administration will do nothing to stop the flow of illegals across our southern border, the vast bulk of whom are Mexicans, but the one I had not heard until I received the email was that Mexico would collapse without the money sent back by the Mexicans, legal and illegal, among us. When you look at the economic data, it is the one explanation that begins to make sense.
Ignoring the financial and social impact that millions of illegal Mexican workers are having on America may well be the US governmentââ¬â¢s way of avoiding a tsunami of even more Mexicans crossing over in the wake of an economic disaster, the collapse of the Mexican economy.
The most dramatic change that the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement has had is the way it has emptied out whole sections of Mexico as its former citizens head north. People donââ¬â¢t do this because they have a choice. Mexico is not creating new jobs. It is, instead, sending its people here to take over all kinds of jobs that unemployed Americans no longer can get. [/B] The World Bank confirms the CIA data that nearly half of the Mexican population is just as poor today as they were in the 1960s. Thatââ¬â¢s not slow growth. Thatââ¬â¢s no growth.
According to Bloomberg.com, ââ¬ÅMexicoââ¬â¢s economy grew at the slowest pace in a year in the first quarter as US demand for the nationââ¬â¢s autos, textiles, and appliances declined.ââ¬Â
Surpassing oil and tourism, the estimated $20 billion in US dollars that Mexicans sent home last year is the mainstay of Mexicoââ¬â¢s economy. When your main export is your citizens, your nation is in big trouble.
Moreover, Mexico has found a new competitor when it comes to exports. China has surpassed our southern neighbor as the top supplier to the US of a vast array of assembled goods, as well as textiles, office computers, metal parts, and prefabricated construction parts.
Mexicoââ¬â¢s problems have become Americaââ¬â¢s problems despite all the hoopla about NAFTA. The failure to stem illegal immigration and all the problems that go with it will become a major political issue in the 2006 elections and beyond. It simply cannot be ignored, though the Bush administration is doing its best to do just that.
My correspondent is probably just one of thousands of able-bodied Americans who cannot get work because illegal Mexicans will take any job available, but even worse news for Americans is the growing trend that is out-sourcing of many white-collar jobs. Though it is hard to determine due to reporting procedures, there is no debate regarding the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs that will leave many Americans unemployed in the years directly ahead as their jobs migrate to India, China and other nations.
So while the potential of economic collapse of Mexico looms to the south of us, internally jobs are disappearing into cybersphere as workers in developing nations, receiving far less than American workers, are the beneficiaries of the way technology speeds aspects of globalization. Here again, the US government is taking no steps to address this looming crisis. If the US economy begins to falter, Mexicoââ¬â¢s will tank.
Is anyone paying any attention to this? Well, I am and so is my out-of-work correspondent. Maybe you should, too?
Alan Caruba writes a weekly column, ââ¬ÅWarning Signsââ¬Â, posted on the Internet site of The National Anxiety Center, [url]www.anxietycenter.com[/url]. é Alan Caruba, 2005
2005-05-30 21:09 | User Profile
One could argue that Mexico has never been in anything but a state of collapse in it's entire history of existence. Intercessions of foreign powers such as Spain, Germany and United States have created it's economy and civilization. Most of Mexico is still agrarian, rural villages, so economic numbers do not wholly apply. Also, black market activity in Mexico is larger economically than the publicly quantitative segements are. See NAFTA impact and US bailout in 1995 on Mexico here [url]http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/mexico_naftaimpact.html[/url] In truth, Mexicans have demonstrated no ability or desire to build a civilization from within. They have no achievements. Therefore, they are coming here to the United States, because they are either too lazy, vice-ridden, or just not smart enough to build their own modern, prosperous civilization. But they sure like the one " we Americans " built. Yessir. It's not because they don't speak English. Everyone in Mexico speaks a dialect of Spanish. That's a homogenous lot. Americans built America under no such convenience. Fact is, they lack the ability to do anymore than they have on their own. A very poor neighbor indeed, a disastrous trade partner unless you are a corporate raider, and an entire nation which has never contributed anything to the world at large, but sure takes a lot for nothing.
2005-05-31 00:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]... In truth, Mexicans have demonstrated no ability or desire to build a civilization from within. They have no achievements. Therefore, they are coming here to the United States, because they are either too lazy, vice-ridden, or just not smart enough to build their own modern, prosperous civilization... [/QUOTE] I went to Mexico in 1991. We bought a throw-away styrofoam cooler to use on a fishing trip. The lid broke in two and I asked the doorman (curiously, a tall, handsome, older man of obvious Spanish descent) to throw it away for me. He asked if he could have it. Pathetic.
2005-05-31 01:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=skemper]Ignoring the financial and social impact that millions of illegal Mexican workers are having on America may well be the US governmentââ¬â¢s way of avoiding a tsunami of even more Mexicans crossing over in the wake of an economic disaster, the collapse of the Mexican economy. [/QUOTE]
A modest increase in ammunition production should handle this problem quite easily.
2005-05-31 01:18 | User Profile
Bush doesn't stop Mexican immigration because (1) the welfare-warfare state can always use more clients; and (2) it helps mitigate the inflationary effects of deficit spending.
2005-05-31 01:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]Bush doesn't stop Mexican immigration because (1) the welfare-warfare state can always use more clients; and (2) it helps mitigate the inflationary effects of deficit spending.[/QUOTE]Plus, Mexican immigration helps inflate the real estate bubble...er, I mean the real estate market. :thumbsup:
2005-05-31 02:31 | User Profile
I am sorry that you don't know the real Mexico like I do, to you all of Mexico are the borders towns that you have visited and the people coming here looking for work.
Many moons ago I was living in a village in the middle of nowhere where I was the only gringo on sight and to me it was heaven, all they cared about was their fields, family,work animals and the sun shinning on their back (like the Palestinian people would like to be) they had a basked weabbing industry that was local and I am hapy to say I oppened the door to the outside world for them, in a way I was happy but also made me sad because then they wanted more, like tv, stereo and other pieces garbages.
That's funny but while writing the above the first thing that came to mind was the American people buying junk from China, I guess that in a way we are all the same.
2005-05-31 10:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]Plus, Mexican immigration helps inflate the real estate bubble...er, I mean the real estate market. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
Yes, and more than that, it inflates the stock market bubble. One thing that makes profits is cheap labor, and Mexicans provide that along with driving down wages for American citizens.
I say let Mexico sink.
2005-05-31 11:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]Bush doesn't stop Mexican immigration because (1) the welfare-warfare state can always use more clients; and (2) it helps mitigate the inflationary effects of deficit spending.[/QUOTE] There's also a broader policy to make America more "diverse;" i.e. less white.
The reason for that is it makes Jews more comfortable in their own skins.
2005-05-31 17:29 | User Profile
Mexican illegal immigration into the United States contributes about 15 billion dollars per year to Mexico. The more Mexicans there are in this country, then the more money Mexico will receive. As long as there is a US Mexico will not go bankrupt. As we have in the past, we will provide them with the money in order for them to survive. If we put these two things together, we can then get a better understanding of why our government has been so lax about the border. In other words, withot the influx of money coming from the US, Mexico could get into deeper economic problems, and it's cheaper for us to provide them with the income, through jobs, as a type of economic assistance.
2005-06-02 22:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo] A very poor neighbor indeed, a disastrous trade partner unless you are a corporate raider, and an entire nation which has never contributed anything to the world at large, but sure takes a lot for nothing.[/QUOTE] I am no fan of the flood across the border, but Mexico does provide us some oil, see the API's numbers for February 2005. So they have that going for them. :glare:
2005-06-03 00:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]I am no fan of the flood across the border, but Mexico does provide us some oil, see the API's numbers for February 2005. So they have that going for them. :glare:[/QUOTE]
Angeleyes? when you say "us" are you talking about America or the state of Israel...... whith you people is hard to judge when you are talking about whom.
2005-06-03 03:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Angeleyes? when you say "us" are you talking about America or the state of Israel...... whith you people is hard to judge when you are talking about whom.[/QUOTE] Ponce:
Quit being an ass. I am American.
You guessed wrong on the Jew thing, big deal. Mistakes happen. Don't compound your error by repeating it.
2005-06-03 04:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Ponce:
Quit being an ass. I am American.
You guessed wrong on the Jew thing, big deal. Mistakes happen. Don't compound your error by repeating it.[/QUOTE]
Sorry Angeleyes but I am still confuse about that "Jew thing" so I will come righ out and ask you.......Are you a jew and if you are are you a Semitec Jew or a so called Zionist make believe Jew.
Sorry if I have to ask in such a dumb way but I want no mistake and clear for you.
2005-06-03 13:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Sorry Angeleyes but I am still confuse about that "Jew thing" so I will come righ out and ask you.......Are you a jew and if you are are you a Semitec Jew or a so called Zionist make believe Jew.
Sorry if I have to ask in such a dumb way but I want no mistake and clear for you.[/QUOTE]Am I a Jew?
No.
Pre American blood is English, Danish, Irish, Scotch, Hungarian, and Serb. Not sure on the German, don't think so. I am a bowl of European stew. I can trace back four generations on one side, and a couple of dozen on the other. Wife's pre-Texan blood is, as best we can determine, Swiss, Belgian, German, Scotch, Irish.
Second question irrelevant.
I have been exposed to Jews, of course. One a history prof, had this to say about "melting pots:"
"Multi culturalism and ethnic diversity were the downfall of the Roman, Ottoman, Austrian, and Russian empires. They will also be America's downfall."
At the time it made sense. I cant' remember is whether or not he seemed happy about the prospect. Maybe he was, and I did not notice. Conversations here lead me to believe I may have missed a few signals.
See Walter's observation a few posts down. A man can live for years thinking he sees the world around him, but until an idea is articulated as clearly as that, may not really "see" what he is seeing.
Good morning. :smoke:
2005-06-03 15:41 | User Profile
Thanks Angel, won't bother you again because I only jump on the back of Zionists......but don't defend those people to much or you will smell like them.
2005-06-03 15:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Thanks Angel, won't bother you again because I only jump on the back of Zionists......but don't defend those people to much or you will smell like them.[/QUOTE] Thanks back to you, and keep on inventing stuff. :beer: