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Thread ID: 18445 | Posts: 46 | Started: 2005-05-29
2005-05-29 18:36 | User Profile
Dead Yankee Day Tomorrow is Memorial Day in the united states, a pseudo-religious holiday in which the Stateââ¬â¢s war dead are officially honored by those who did not fight. As an antidote to the liturgical pomp emanating from the Washington tyranny I offer this bit of Southern doggerel:
I hates the Yankee nation And everything they do, I hates the Declaration Of Independence, too; I hates the ââ¬ÅGlorious Union,ââ¬Â ââ¬ËTis dripping with our blood. I hates their striped banner, I fit it all I could.
[url]http://majorityrights.com/[/url]
2005-05-29 20:50 | User Profile
[url]http://majorityrights.com/[/url]
"Dead Yankee Day Tomorrow is Memorial Day in the united states, a pseudo-religious holiday in which the Stateââ¬â¢s war dead are officially honored by those who did not fight. As an antidote to the liturgical pomp emanating from the Washington tyranny I offer this bit of Southern doggerel:
I hates the Yankee nation And everything they do, I hates the Declaration Of Independence, too; I hates the ââ¬ÅGlorious Union,ââ¬Â ââ¬ËTis dripping with our blood. I hates their striped banner, I fit it all I could.
"**Courtesy of Little Geneva: Do something productive this weekend, like blowing your nose in the stars and stripes. ** "
friedrich braun, this is wrong and evil. :furious:
Memorial Day is not just for Yankees.
2005-05-29 21:15 | User Profile
[img]http://www.usembassy.it/policy/images/national2.jpg[/img]
Thank you to all the brave veterans of the United States of America!
2005-05-29 21:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Dead Yankee Day Tomorrow is Memorial Day in the united states, a pseudo-religious holiday in which the Stateââ¬â¢s war dead are officially honored by those who did not fight. As an antidote to the liturgical pomp emanating from the Washington tyranny I offer this bit of Southern doggerel:
I hates the Yankee nation And everything they do, I hates the Declaration Of Independence, too; I hates the ââ¬ÅGlorious Union,ââ¬Â ââ¬ËTis dripping with our blood. I hates their striped banner, I fit it all I could.
[url]http://majorityrights.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Don't like it here? Well, there's nobody holding a gun to your head and forcing you to keep your stupid, slimey disloyal ass in this once great nation and collecting the benefits generally reserved for Americans. Get out! Maybe you can find a better place to live, like Iran. You'd be right at home there among your fellow America haters. I wish you were right next to me so I could shove a copy of the Constitution down you fetid throat and watch you turn red, white and blue while you choke on it!
2005-05-29 22:34 | User Profile
we tried to git out--the thrice-damned yankee blue-bellies wouldn't let us go, which is all we asked...
YANKEE GO HOME!!!
:gunsmilie
2005-05-29 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle][img]http://www.usembassy.it/policy/images/national2.jpg[/img]
Thank you to all the brave veterans of the United States of America![/QUOTE]
Thanks gabrielle and I am with you when I think of my mates, however...that so famous picture really broke my heart when I found out that it was a on purpose possed picture and not the real one that was taken the first time.
And what really pisses me off is that those guys got the CMH for being in that picture, that sucks.
2005-05-29 23:09 | User Profile
I'm not crazy about this country either these days. When was the last honorable war this country engaged in, the Indian Wars, the Mexican American War? But this doesn't mean we can't honor the young men who died fighting in these terrible conflicts. The soldier type is the best kind of man and it's criminal the way they have been used up. All of Israel is not worth the life of one Iowa grenadier.
2005-05-29 23:41 | User Profile
Too bad most of those who died fighting for the USA (or thinking that they were) died for nothing. That statement might piss some people off, but if I said anything different I'd be lying. America was conquered from within by the Jews and their allies. Now the Constitution is in tatters, we pay taxes to the Israelis and fight their wars, and people think they're free when they aren't.
My fondest Memorial Day thoughts are with Timothy McVeigh, the Branch Davidians, Randy Weaver and family, and all other heroes who have fought against the tyrannical police state right here at home. I don't agree with everything they did (especially McVeigh), but their intentions were pure. Those brave souls understood who the REAL enemies of our freedom are.
2005-05-30 02:07 | User Profile
Friedrich,
I ought to yank this thread, but I'll go on and leave it so that anyone who wants to chew your ass out has the green light to do so. [QUOTE]Tomorrow is Memorial Day in the united states, a pseudo-religious holiday in ...[/QUOTE] If you can't write anything decent, then don't write anything at all.
2005-05-30 02:39 | User Profile
My take on Memorial Day is that it is a rightly celebrated holiday. I feel a great deal of pity for all the fine men who died thinking they were defending their country. I think we should honor them as people who were living in a state of false consciousness, a well-intentioned state of delusion and were let down by people who either lied or should have known better.
What does get me hot under the collar are those so called "patriotic" morons who say that " if you don't like this country you should move somewhere else." No, you puffed up, bigoted, jingoistic gentile stooge, I hate my country for what it is, I love it for what it can become.
2005-05-30 04:02 | User Profile
Thanks from "down under" to all United States veterans for their service around the world that has contributed to the common defence of Western Civilisation.
2005-05-30 04:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE]My take on Memorial Day is that it is a rightly celebrated holiday. I feel a great deal of pity for all the fine men who died thinking they were defending their country. I think we should honor them as people who were living in a state of false consciousness, a well-intentioned state of delusion and were let down by people who either lied or should have known better.
What does get me hot under the collar are those so called "patriotic" morons who say that " if you don't like this country you should move somewhere else." No, you puffed up, bigoted, jingoistic gentile stooge, I hate my country for what it is, I love it for what it can become.[/QUOTE]
Well said. :thumbsup:
2005-05-30 04:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I'm not crazy about this country either these days. When was the last honorable war this country engaged in, the Indian Wars, the Mexican American War?[/QUOTE]
Fighting the Japs of course!
2005-05-30 04:05 | User Profile
RRP,
Thank you. I make it a point to honor all the dead, no matter what nation they hail from. Politicians are different.
2005-05-30 05:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]My take on Memorial Day is that it is a rightly celebrated holiday. I feel a great deal of pity for all the fine men who died thinking they were defending their country. I think we should honor them as people who were living in a state of false consciousness, a well-intentioned state of delusion and were let down by people who either lied or should have known better.
.[/QUOTE] What you have said in this paragraph sums up my own feelings on this. I also want to add you can think whatever you want about the country and what it has become, and I would agree with you on that 100%, but there is no need to piss on the soldiers many of whom are only doing what they feel is the right thing. For the person who started this thread, do you have parents or grandparents that fought in any wars for this country, as I do, and how do you feel about them?
2005-05-30 05:15 | User Profile
"Braun" claims to be German and has made his dislike of Americans known elsewhere on this board.
2005-05-30 06:32 | User Profile
It is very sadly hard to disagree with what has been said :sad:
[QUOTE]"Tomorrow is Memorial Day in the united states, a pseudo-religious holiday in which the Stateââ¬â¢s war dead are officially honored by those who did not fight. As an antidote to the liturgical pomp emanating from the Washington tyranny"-friedrich braun
"Too bad most of those who died fighting for the USA (or thinking that they were) died for nothing. That statement might piss some people off, but if I said anything different I'd be lying. America was conquered from within by the Jews and their allies. Now the Constitution is in tatters, we pay taxes to the Israelis and fight their wars, and people think they're free when they aren't."-Angler[/QUOTE]
I hope friedrich braun did not get banned over this it does not seem that bad.
2005-05-30 07:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]It is very sadly hard to disagree with what has been said :sad:
I hope friedrich braun did not get banned over this it does not seem that bad.[/QUOTE]He'll be back shortly. But he can give it a rest for today - it seems appropriate. Even Germans respected truces to honor ones dead.
2005-05-30 07:45 | User Profile
Okiereddust,
True enough. I am saddened to see the Neocons have worked far more Bush Wars propaganda into the Memorial Day events than last year. Upsetting to see how far down hill America has gone in the last few years.
2005-05-30 13:16 | User Profile
Ponce is off base as usual. The famous photograph by Rosenthal was not posed. A previous shot of the marines holding the flag was posed, but the famous one we so love was not. A full account is contained in the Book, "Flags of our Fathers" by James Bradley.
2005-05-30 16:16 | User Profile
I'd rather pray for the children, grandchildren, and great-grand children of WWII veterans who live in fear of rampaging Negroes and Hispanics in their once all-White neighborhoods. Imagine, WWII GI Joe's offspring must plan their lives around "no-go" areas in their own, lovely, "free", United States when WWII GI Joe was thinking he was fighting for the survival of his country's "way of life". The dead soldiers are to be remembered for their bravery while we must acknowledge that their government has defecated on their sacrifice.
2005-05-30 16:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]My take on Memorial Day is that it is a rightly celebrated holiday. I feel a great deal of pity for all the fine men who died thinking they were defending their country. I think we should honor them as people who were living in a state of false consciousness, a well-intentioned state of delusion and were let down by people who either lied or should have known better. [/QUOTE]Well said. Honour them as soldiers, as warriors, as men--not as fools & tools. Reserve the criticism for the politicians, the bureaucrats, the little men with soft bodies and small minds. :cool:
2005-05-30 16:48 | User Profile
Faust, [QUOTE]I hope friedrich braun did not get banned over this it does not seem that bad.[/QUOTE] Calling Memorial Day "a pseudo-religious holiday" is "does(n't) seem that bad" to you from someone who doesn't know squat about America? I disagree. The comment about "dead yankees" is equally tasteless and an attempt to start a flame war by someone who wants to stand aside and admire his handy work.
I have as much use for grandstanding Neocons who exploit today for their own evil purposes as you do, but I will point out that politicians have been whoring this day for years and will continue to do so long after the Neocons are gone. This is what I do. I read some American military history and make it a point to leave the radio and t.v. turned off so as not to see unworthy people like Bush and Clinton deface the meaning of what is to me a sad day. I don't celebrate the day- I reflect upon it.
Braun be allowed back, even though I consider him only a notch above being a troll. He simply won't be allowed to trash today. It seems like last year either he or someone else did the same thing.
2005-05-30 16:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]Fighting the Japs of course![/QUOTE]
Yes, I forgot about them. Although I have heard that we pushed them into it by cutting off their supply of oil, but I don't know much about this, but I do know a little about that bastard Roosevelt and his proven ability to provoke wars from behind the scenes.
2005-05-30 17:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Yes, I forgot about them. Although I have heard that we pushed them into it by cutting off their supply of oil, but I don't know much about this, but I do know a little about that bastard Roosevelt and his proven ability to provoke wars from behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684853396/qid=1117472517/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-9273966-6949754?v=glance&s=books&n=507846]Day of Deceit[/URL] by Robert Stinnet
[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005AAEG/qid=1117472625/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-9273966-6949754?v=glance&s=video]Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor[/URL]
2005-05-30 20:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
The dead soldiers are to be remembered for their bravery while we must acknowledge that their government has defecated on their sacrifice.
[/QUOTE] I agree.
2005-05-30 21:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis][URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684853396/qid=1117472517/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-9273966-6949754?v=glance&s=books&n=507846]Day of Deceit[/URL] by Robert Stinnet
[URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005AAEG/qid=1117472625/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-9273966-6949754?v=glance&s=video]Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor[/URL][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the recommendation, Walter. I ordered Day of Deceit.
2005-05-30 22:51 | User Profile
Sertorius,
Very True. [QUOTE]Calling Memorial Day "a pseudo-religious holiday" is "does(n't) seem that bad" to you from someone who doesn't know squat about America? I disagree. The comment about "dead yankees" is equally tasteless...
I have as much use for grandstanding Neocons who exploit today for their own evil purposes as you do, but I will point out that politicians have been whoring this day for years and will continue to do so long after the Neocons are gone. This is what I do. I read some American military history and make it a point to leave the radio and t.v. turned off so as not to see unworthy people like Bush and Clinton deface the meaning of what is to me a sad day. I don't celebrate the day- I reflect upon it. [/QUOTE]
2005-05-31 06:51 | User Profile
First, all I did is copy & paste from [B]Majority Rules[/B] [B]Blog[/B] (in case people didn't see the link at the bottom of the page). [B]Majority Rules Blog[/B] basically did the same (i.e., copy & paste) from the [B]Little Geneva[/B] site (a site given as a link on OD, I might add. See Featured OD Links).
[url]http://majorityrights.com/[/url]
Here's the full post from [B]Little Geneva[/B]. I could explain why I posted that excerpt, but [B]Little Geneva[/B] has already done it for me.
[url]http://littlegeneva.com/?p=315[/url]
May 25, 2005 May 31, 2005 May 27, 2005 Who can forget this pabulum? Memorial Day is a Yankee holiday. According to General Order #11 of the Grand Army of the Republic, dated May 5, 1868, it was a day set aside to honor those who "died in defense of their country during the late rebellion, and whose bodies now lie in almost every city, village, and hamlet church-yard in the land." By 1890, all of the northern states observed Memorial Day, but the South refused to officially recognize it until after World War I, which many Southern men foolishly gave their lives to win, if indeed wars can be won. Do something productive this weekend, like blowing your nose in the stars and stripes. Teach your boys to sing like our fathers:
Oh, Iââ¬â¢m a good old Rebel, Now thatââ¬â¢s just what I am. For this "Fair Land of Freedom" I do not give a damn! Iââ¬â¢m glad I fit against it, I only wish weââ¬â¢d won, And I donââ¬â¢t want no pardon For anything I done.
I hates the Constitution, This Great Republic, too, I hates the Freedmanââ¬â¢s Bureau, In uniforms of blue; I hates the nasty eagle, With all his brag and fuss, the lyinââ¬â¢, thievinââ¬â¢ Yankees, I hates them wuss and wuss.
I hates the Yankee nation And everything they do, I hates the Declaration Of Independence, too; I hates the "Glorious Union," ââ¬ËTis dripping with our blood. I hates their striped banner, I fit it all I could.
Three hundred thousand Yankees Is stiff in Southern dust; We got three hundred thousand Before they conquered us; They died of Southern fever And Southern steel and shot, I wish they was three million Instead of what we got.
The following is especially for Sertorius, since he evidently identifies with Yankees and the Yankee cause. (Even editing my signture! Stupid bully.) Enjoy!:
[img]http://www.civilwar.si.edu/slavery_images/l_ruffin_unidentified.jpg[/img]
[SIZE=3]"I here declare my unmitigated hatred to Yankee rule -- to all political, social and business connection with the Yankees and to the Yankee race. Would that I could impress these sentiments, in their full force, on every living Southerner and bequeath them to every one yet to be born! May such sentiments be held universally in the outraged and down-trodden South, though in silence and stillness, until the now far-distant day shall arrive for just retribution for Yankee usurpation, oppression and atrocious outrages, and for deliverance and vengeance for the now ruined, subjugated and enslaved Southern States!
...And now with my latest writing and utterance, and with what will be near my latest breath, I here repeat and would willingly proclaim my unmitigated hatred to yankee rule--to all political, social and business connections with Yankees, and the perfidious, malignant and vile Yankee race."
--Edmund Ruffin [/SIZE]
[QUOTE]"Braun" claims to be German and has made his dislike of Americans known elsewhere on this board.[/QUOTE]
Only an idiot could think that I "dislike" all Americans. More accurately, I dislike a certain kind of American. A kind epitomized to a considerable degree by flag-humping buffoons like the individual Sertorius.
[QUOTE]Braun be allowed back, even though I consider him only a notch above being a troll. He simply won't be allowed to trash today. It seems like last year either he or someone else did the same thing.[/QUOTE]
This is coming from the administration of a forum that not too long ago purged all of its best writers. LOL I don't know why AntiYuppie bothers to sporadically participate on OD after the shabby treatment he received at the hands of morons such as Sertorius.
At any rate, I've started my own board only a few weeks ago, and I welcome all those with something to say. I can promise them that they won't be bullied by pathetic faileoconservative losers or Jesus freaks.
[url]http://www.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/forum/index.php?[/url]
Cheers! :rockon:
2005-05-31 07:12 | User Profile
Sert is more than capable to speak for himself and I'll stand by his judgment.
As for this:
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]This is coming from the administration of a forum that not too long ago purged all of its best writers. LOL I don't know why AntiYuppie bothers to sporadically participate on OD after the shabby treatment he received at the hands of morons such as Sertorius.
Goes to show you really don't know anything about all that.
At any rate, I've started my own board only a few weeks ago, and I welcome all those with something to say. I can promise them that they won't be bullied by pathetic faileoconservative losers or Jesus freaks.
[url]http://www.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/forum/index.php?[/url]
Speaking as a Jesus freak faileoconservative, why the closed board? If you want to run with the big dogs you need to open it up and give everyone free access to participate when and where they will. For better or worse, and this has been discussed at length all over the internet, every board community has its own particular character and reason for existence. I will at least give you credit for starting your own instead of just whining about others you don't like for whatever reason.
Good luck.
2005-05-31 07:27 | User Profile
The board has unfortuntely been already hacked, we keep a back up but many fine threads are gone.
However, I'll make the forum available for browsing without registering first.
You're always invited, TD.
2005-05-31 11:49 | User Profile
Braun,
Yes, good luck and good riddance. Like your Katzenjammer kid brother Leland, the only Americans you like are the ones who, like you, pine for the glory days of the Third Reich. Here's a suggestion. Call your board "Cyber Third Reich", after the "Cyber USSR" website. You can use Nazi ranks for the members.
As for everything else you wrote you show yourself to be an out and out liar. I didn't edit your signature, I removed the insulting "thumbs up" you tagged the post with and in regard to the post itself it was for your nasty comments above about a "pseudo religious" holiday and trying to start a flame war I took offense to.
I'm from Georgia, Braun, and I know the difference between "yankees" and Northerners, just like I do between Southerners and "scalawags." I also understand when someone is attempting to cause problems about a war that I believe he knows little about and sure as hell doesn't care about those killed on either side.
Usually, I ignore the stuff you post here and don't waste my time with you. However, in this case you brought this on yourself, so quit whinning.
2005-05-31 17:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Thanks for the recommendation, Walter. I ordered Day of Deceit.[/QUOTE]
When you get Day of Deceit skip directly to the appendices and read Adm. McCollum's position letter to FDR - which McCollum personally typed on his own typewriter for FDR's eyes only. This is the smoking gun.
McCollum laid out the whole plan of provocation and why we needed to get into the war with or without the Congress. It's all there.
Stinnet was the one who through years of dogged effots managed to get that document released through the FOIA, and we all owe him a debt of gratitude for that. Some documents have STILL NOT BEEN RELEASED but I think it matters little - FDR's intentionally maneuvering America into war is proved beyond any reasonable doubt.
Note that Stinnet is nevertheless an FDR apologist - he says that FDR did what he had to do, or at least nobody can judge him because we can't imagine the magnitude of the decision he had to make without our convenient hindsight.
I personally think that's being waaaaaay far too kind to FDR, who clearly committed what amounted to high treason. He really wiped his backside with the Constitution on that one (not to mention the entire New Deal) and really it's been downhill for the Constitution ever since. :mad:
I take some cold comfort in the almost certain knowledge that he's rotting in hell as I write this, and that he will spend an eternity in that lake of fire, howling forever in unremitting agony.
2005-06-02 19:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Thanks gabrielle and I am with you when I think of my mates, however...that so famous picture really broke my heart when I found out that it was a on purpose possed picture and not the real one that was taken the first time.
And what really pisses me off is that those guys got the CMH for being in that picture, that sucks.[/QUOTE] Your facts are a bit off. Yes, that pic was posed, no, the CMH was not sprayed all over them.
Read "Flags of our Fathers" by the son of the last of those guys to pass away, a Medic. Excellent book, excellent discussion, in the last half, of how politics uses images and symbols to raise support, and in 1945 to raise money for war bonds.
The author covers Ira Hayes well, whose ultimate fate will break anyone's heart.
2005-06-02 19:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]RRP,
Thank you. I make it a point to honor all the dead, no matter what nation they hail from. Politicians are different.[/QUOTE] Sir, if we ever meet, the first drink is on me. That is a noble sentiment. :notworth:
2005-06-02 19:42 | User Profile
Herr Braun
The year is 2005. Memorial Day has incorporated the dead of many a war since 1865. Many a good southerner has died to defeat Communists, Japs, etc. That you resent Americans killing Germans is understood, if you are indeed a Deutscher. However, your position and your logic are complete and utter nonsense. In bad German: du frisst scheiss, Schweinhund! (verb meant in the sense of an animal devouring manure.)
However, you do get a B+ for trolling, so you have that going for you, which is nice. :dry:
2005-06-02 20:50 | User Profile
The author covers Ira Hayes well, whose ultimate fate will break anyone's heart.
That it does. One of the more shameful things about this country is the way it treats its veterans. When I see VA hospitals you wouldn't send your dog to being the best this country can do for vets, while illegals, parasites, get the best emergency care the taxpayer can provide, I get hot.
Keeping with what Sert said about politicians, what happened to Lewis Puller (Chesty's son) is enough to make anyone sick, especially with what passes for political discourse these days. Edward Gibbon knows more than I do about it.
[url]http://thegoldweb.com/voices/irahayes.htm[/url]
2005-06-02 20:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]what happened to Lewis Puller (Chesty's son) is enough to make anyone sick, especially with what passes for political discourse these days. [/QUOTE] What did they do to Chesty's son? Mistreating him is like screwing with the royal family's kids, Marine wise.
Off to google I go, with sinking heart. :mad:
2005-06-02 21:13 | User Profile
Mainly had to do with his unsuccessful run for Congress and what his opponent did to him to win. I'll dig up the reference when I get home.
2005-06-02 21:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Mainly had to do with his unsuccessful run for Congress and what his opponent did to him to win. I'll dig up the reference when I get home.[/QUOTE] Thanks, even though it may sadden me, that guy had some guts. Something tells me his dad is proud of him.
2005-06-03 16:22 | User Profile
Puller Jr. ran against one Paul Trible for Congress and lost.
Trible was a super-hawkish guy who espoused patriotism at every turn, yet managed to avoid the Vietnam War where Puller Jr. lost the use of his legs. He's been accurately described as a "flag-waving fraud." For Puller to lose to this guy was a blow, I'm sure, but I can't find/don't recall the campaign rhetoric waged by Trible against Puller Jr.
Something tells me his dad is proud of him.
I'm sure you're right. :thumbsup:
2005-06-05 05:50 | User Profile
I am surprised at this.
There should be no argument.
We support and tend our own dead. Be it German or American.
We no doubt have more in common than otherwise.
Mentzer
2005-06-06 04:59 | User Profile
Mentzer,
Thank you. You understand. We honor all of them.
2005-06-08 20:24 | User Profile
[B]Thank you. You understand. We honor all of them.[/B]
[I]Just like Bremer in Iraq, eh? [/I]
[I]Americans have a long history of respecting other nations' dead, let's look at a recent example.[/I]
Via Lew Rockwell.
A Civilized Nation [is this a joke?] 'Teaches' Iraq Barbarism by Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
Many historians consider Iraq as the cradle of civilization. It was in Iraq that writing was invented. It was in Iraq that the great Hammurabi's Code of Laws was first engraved. Iraq was the birthplace of Abraham, father of the Jews and the Arabs.
The territory now called Iraq was the center of the greatest powers of the day. At other times it was conquered by Alexander the Great, ravaged by the Mongols and dominated by empires based in Persia, Turkey, Britain and now the United States.
One of the first acts of the American occupation authorities in Iraq is the destruction of the tomb of Michael Aflaq, an Arab nationalist philosopher and a founder of the Arab Baath party which ruled Iraq. This savage act was totally unwarranted and unjustified. It reminds us of the barbaric actions of the Mongols centuries ago. Regrettably this twenty first century barbarism is practiced in the name of "freedom," "democracy," "liberation" and "human rights." What makes this barbaric action even worse is that it is done by an "elected" government which tells the world that its actions are taken in the name of the American people.
I do not blame the American people for not knowing what atrocities are being committed in their name. I watch U.S. network news so I know Americans are not told what is really going on in Iraq.
During WWI (1914ââ¬â1919) the British army fought military battles with the Ottoman (Turkish) armies that were stationed in Iraq. Many thousands were killed and buried in Iraq from both sides.
We have British cemeteries in Basra, Kut and in Baghdad where approximately 54,000 Commonwealth troops are buried. We have a cemetery for the Indian soldiers who fought with the British army. We also have the Turkish cemetery in Baghdad.
For over 90 years since the establishment of these cemeteries the Iraqi governments and the Iraqi people respected the sanctity of these graves. In those 90 years Baghdad expanded so much that these cemeteries became a prime property and were obstructing the full development of badly needed project. Despite this the government of Iraq respected its humanitarian obligation to protect these cemeteries.
In fact in April 2002, a year before the attack on Iraq, the Iraqi government approved the restoration of the Australian cemetery despite all the problems of the first Gulf War and the 12 years of sanctions.
Mr. Peter Francis, of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, said: "The (Iraqis) said that the government of Iraq attached great importance to the longstanding War Graves Agreements between it and the commission and that it was ready to provide whatever assistance the commission required to carry out its work in Iraq."
Our 7000 years of history and civilization have taught us to respect the sanctity of death and a respect to the graves of dead people irrespective whether they are natives, occupiers or enemy soldiers. These values are shared with other civilized people around the world.
Jon Lee Anderson writing in the New Yorker about a visit he had to the British cemetery in Baghdad days before the American invasion. His last paragraph was "As we were walking out of the cemetery, we passed an obelisk with the inscription 'Here are the honoured Turkish soldiers who fell for their country in the Great War, 1914ââ¬â1918.' When I pointed this out to Khalid, he seemed confused, and I explained that the obelisk had been erected by the British to honor their enemies. He smirked. 'So, the British have honor!' he said, and he walked away, then turned back. 'Maybe they will do the same for us, after they have killed us. Thank you very much.'"
I hate to disappoint my friend Khalid. The American army did not respect nor honor the Iraqi soldiers who died fighting for their country; they let them rot in the streets. The Americans did not allow the Red Cross to enter Fallujah for days after their "liberation" of the city. Dead people we left to rot in the ruins of their houses without burying them or moving them to a mortuary.
The American administrator for Iraq, Mr. L. Bremer elected to "teach" the Iraqis his set of values. He justified leveling "the tomb to earth" by his desire to "eradicate the Baath party." His barbaric action and "cowboy" mentality is strange to the civilized world and would not even be accepted in his "wild wild west." It is by any standard and for any reason a barbaric act.
June 8, 2005
Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar [send him mail] is a medical engineer living in occupied Baghdad. You can comment on this column by visiting Ghazwanââ¬â¢s blog spot on DemocracyRising.US.
Copyright 2005 é Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
2005-06-08 21:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Puller Jr. ran against one Paul Trible for Congress and lost.
Trible was a super-hawkish guy who espoused patriotism at every turn, yet managed to avoid the Vietnam War where Puller Jr. lost the use of his legs. He's been accurately described as a "flag-waving fraud." For Puller to lose to this guy was a blow, I'm sure, but I can't find/don't recall the campaign rhetoric waged by Trible against Puller Jr.
I'm sure you're right. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]I wrote about the conflict between Trible and Puller in my book: [QUOTE][COLOR=Red]Paul Trible, once Republican Senator from Virginia: Under Reagan an avowed hawk thought he ducked Vietnam. When running for office, a photo of him wearing a flight suit of an Air Force fighter pilot standing in front of a jet fighter was published. Astute observers remarked he was dressed in the uniform he never wore, in front of a plane he never flew and raising the arm which disqualified him from military service. One of his political opponents was Lewis Puller who lost both legs and use of most of his arms in Vietnam. Puller lost to Trible, who flaunted his patriotism. Trible once remarked that Asians did not value life much. Certainly not as much as Trible valued his. Somewhat fittingly Lewis Puller committed suicide when pain overcame him. One must ask if most Americans considered his suicide a happy ending.[/COLOR][1] Washington [I]Post[/I], pA18, Apr 18, 1985
After having lost both legs and parts of his arms and hands from combat in Vietnam, ex-Marine Lewis Puller dreaded the onset of hostilities in Kuwait. He thought the decision to commit ground troops a great mistake. But once American forces were committed, he hoped the war would end quickly, and the United States would win with few casualties. The son of Marine Corps legend, General Chesty Puller, had experienced great physical pain from his wounds. That he lost a congressional race to a flag-waving fraud named Paul Trible had to hurt his psyche. His autobiography he would soon publish would win a Pulitzer Prize. Yet this was not enough, and Lewis Puller later committed suicide.
[2] Washington [I]Post[/I], pA19, Jan 18, 1991[/QUOTE]I thought the election of Trible was so offensive I mentioned it twice. Another flag waving fraud in Virginia is their present governor, George Allen. He is the son of a football coach who like many Americans believed war is an inadequate metaphor for football. From my book: [QUOTE]The coach in American football became to many the great authority figure. In present times the figure of Vince Lombardi has loomed over much of professional football. Vice President Spiro Agnew championed much of the ethos of Vince Lombardi with its emphasis on winning. On the walls of the Nixon Committee to Re-Elect the President (CREEP) had hung the slogan: "Winning in Politics isn't everything, it's the only thing". Lombardi's devotion to winning was matched by others such as [COLOR=Red][I]George Allen, onetime coach of the Washington Redskins who believed "winning is life, losing is death[/I][/COLOR]".
Another coach of the Redskins, Joe Gibbs, during the height of the Iran-contra scandal in 1987 was asked his opinion of Oliver North. He responded for several minutes under the impression that Oliver North was a special teams player for the Miami Dolphins. In fact he had never heard of Lieutenant Colonel North. Though he lived 25 minutes from his practice field during the season, he would sleep over three nights a week. He took clocks out of his office so assistants would not look at them during 3 AM bull sessions. [/QUOTE]Most Americans believe football is a greater test of manhood than facing an armed enemy. By the way, the great Lombardi was applying for a job coaching football 10 days after Pearl Harbor. No sense of duty for that lad other than opening a big mouth.
2005-06-08 22:54 | User Profile
Braun,
Things slow over at your board? I thought "Cyber Third Reich" would be rolling merrily along.
The people that honor them all are folks like me, you jerk. When it comes to dishonoring the dead all armies have a certain percentage of people like that. I can easily imagine you desecrating bodies. Either act decently here or go troll elsewhere.