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Thread ID: 18438 | Posts: 10 | Started: 2005-05-29
2005-05-29 06:10 | User Profile
does anyone know where Christianity first spread, what country was the first besides israel to establish Christianity?
2005-05-29 06:20 | User Profile
that's good you have an interest.. you sound quite young. First of all, Israel didn't exist during the time of Christ. [url]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03712a.htm[/url] Christianity is the name given to that definite system of religious belief and practice which was taught by Jesus Christ in the country of Palestine, during the reign of the Roman Emperor, Tiberius, and was promulgated, after its Founder's death, for the acceptance of the whole world, by certain chosen men among His followers. According to the accepted chronology, these began their mission on the day of Pentecost, A.D. 29, which day is regarded, accordingly, as the birthday of the Christian Church. - continued in link above..
2005-05-29 09:05 | User Profile
To begin with, Christianity was not "established" in Israel - great numbers of Jews converted, bot collectively speaking, Israel did not convert.
Around 301 AD, 20 years before emperor Constantine, Christianity became the official religion of [B]Armenia[/B]:
[I][COLOR=Blue] "The Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church traces its origins to the first century, when the apostles Thaddeus and Bartholomew introduced Christianity to Armenia. It was not until 301 A.D., however, when Christianity was declared a state religion, that converts were able to worship openly. Credit is given to St. Gregory, also known as the Enlightener, who converted Armenia's King Tiridates III." [/COLOR] [/I]
[url]http://www.sptimes.com/News/011301/SouthPinellas/Sacred_flame_honors_A.shtml[/url]
Petr
2005-05-29 15:03 | User Profile
the earliest Christians formed communities in Palestine, southwest Asia, Greece, Rome, and Syria. All one has to do is go through the New Testament after the Gospels end, and it's all there. Very simple. Some believe an early church was formed by Joseph of Arimathea, Mary mother of Jesus, and others in Glastonbury, England, but that is a matter of debate.
2005-05-29 20:20 | User Profile
why is everyone purposely leaving out Ethiopia? The queen's servant was baptized by Philip, and brought Christianity back to his country, and it's been a Christian country ever since. In fact, Ethiopia is the only African country NEVER to be colonized by the Europeans, from pre-Christian times til today. Alexander the Gay attempted it, took one look at the queen's army, and "turned tail" as it were. Benito Mussolini attempted it, with the pope at that time calling it a "catholic crusade", but failed, as Haile Selassie won the support of the UN. Somebody here must remember Selassie-even a young'n like myself knows all about him.
2005-05-29 20:31 | User Profile
[COLOR=Purple][I][B] - "The queen's servant was baptized by Philip, and brought Christianity back to his country, and it's been a Christian country ever since."[/B][/I][/COLOR]
Actually no, Ethiopians didn't convert until the 4th century AD:
[COLOR=Blue][B]"Edesius and Frumentius, brothers from Tyre, Phoenician, introduced Christianity into Abyssinia; the latter a saint and first Bishop of Axum is styled the Apostle of Abyssinia, d. about 383." [/B] [/COLOR]
[url]http://phoenicia.org/ethiopia.html[/url]
The Egyptian Coptic church, on the other hand, dates itself already on apostle Mark who is said to have been martyred in Egypt and dragged through the streets.
Petr
2005-05-29 22:07 | User Profile
Does anybody know if the Ethiopian Church is Monophysitic like the Coptic Church of Egypt, or do they follow some other Pre-Calcaedonian Council "heresy?"
2005-05-30 03:38 | User Profile
In short, yes and no.. [url]http://www.interoz.com/egypt/chiste3.htmThe[/url] RCC has a presence in Ethiopia, and so do the Coptic, non-Chalcedonian groups, such as the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. From an Ethiopan Roman Catholic - " It is true to say that Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian countries in the world. Ethiopia was a Catholic country before Ireland or Poland or any northern European country had received the faith.After the Council of Chalcedon in 451 when the heresy of Monophysitism was condemned (the Monophysitism taught that Christ had only one nature, the divine), the Coptic Church of Egypt withdrew from unity with Rome and the other Churches in the Roman Empire. Ethiopia, always under the influence of the Coptic Church, withdrew also. As a result, the Ethiopian Church is now in schism from the Catholic Church. Despite many attempts to heal the division, the schism continues. Most scholars are of the opinion that with a little effort the questions regarding the one or two natures of Christ could be easily resolved. There were a large number of Ethiopians and Eritians who follow the Ethiopian liturgy and are united with Rome. Thus, among Catholics of the Eastern Rites, the Black Church of Ethiopia holds an important place. There is an Ethiopian college in the Vatican for training Ethiopian students for the priesthood. " taken from [url]http://www.holyangels.com/AFRICAN-CHRISTIANITY.HTM[/url]
for a Coptic viewpoint [url]http://www.bethel.edu/~letnie/EthiopiaHomepage.html[/url] or [url]http://www.copts.net/index.asp[/url] ( modern group which seeks do defend Coptics from Muslims and the Gov. ) and Catholic [url]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05329b.htm[/url] and [url]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05566a.htm[/url]
2005-05-30 15:40 | User Profile
First of all, " Stigmata ", this is a board about History of the Early Church, not a place to post scurrilous and dubious press clippings and messages from some other cheezy anti-Catholic message board. Why don't you post on that board and keep it there ? Why drag it to OD ?? Oh yes that is right, you have an Agenda. Also, this Ugo Lancione is a " Vatican Correspondent " for PressEsc, and if you look, ALL of his so-called " coverage " is virulently anti-Catholic. Obviously PressEsc is not a reputable source. They are an online boiler operation of net bloggers sitting in their underwear at home thousands of miles away and twsiting facts to their Agenda. This is not news, this is bashing. For your information, Pope Benedict XVI has NEVER been called " disgraced " as Lancione snuck that unjustified slur in. The Legionaries positively impact the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions through missionary work, education, charity and community building. These charges didn not begin until 1997. The handful of accusers had been out of the Legionaires for DECADES. Their claims were over 40 YEARS PAST when announced. The unimportant Hartford Courant was where the charges first appeared. I don't know about you, but if I was abused, I wouldn't come back 40 years later. Maybe 5, but not 40. The Vatican already looked into this. Sorry you didn't get to see 85 yr. old Fr. Maciel on trial, " Stigmata ". I'm sure the dubious claims of a few is more important to you than the needs of the masses anyway.
[url]http://www.legionariesofchrist.org/eng/index.phtml[/url]
2005-05-30 15:42 | User Profile
In 1997 the authors reported in the Hartford Courant about the accusations of a handful of former members of the Catholic religious order of the Legionaries of Christ. They had accused the order's founder, Father Marcial Maciel (a close friend of John Paul II), of having sexually abused them in the 1950s, when they were seminarians. By the authors' own admission, national media in the U.S. showed little interest in the story, perhaps because they had been burned before with instances of alleged abuses reported by the so called victims twenty or even forty years after the "facts". It is also true that the Legionaries' attorneys at that time provided the mainline media with affidavits by other former seminarians, stating that they had been offered money to confirm false allegations against Maciel. The accusers had been thrown out of Catholic ecclesiastical courts more than once.
[url]http://www.legionaryfacts.org/bookreview.html[/url]