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Thread ID: 18342 | Posts: 35 | Started: 2005-05-22
2005-05-22 20:06 | User Profile
"Harare - The Zimbabwe government has secretly approached former owners of Kondozi farm to return and resuscitate the giant export-earning horticultural concern in what insiders said was part of a wider plan to recall expelled white farmers to revive the countryââ¬â¢s collapsed agricultural sector. Impeccable sources said under the plan the Ministry of Agriculture will in coming months approach selected farmers, especially those with expertise in horticulture, tobacco and dairy production to ask them to return to Zimbabwe to farm. The farmers will be compensated for property and equipment destroyed during the governmentââ¬â¢s chaotic and often violent land reform exercise and not for loss of revenue. But the farmers will receive immense support and preferential treatment from the state to reestablish themselves on the land, according to the sources. As well as luring white farmers back to the land the government shall also select another group of farmers whom it will compensate at market value both for loss of land and equipment during the farm seizures.
The sources said the two-pronged strategy was meant to portray the government as committed to reviving the mainstay agriculture sector as well as to paying fair compensation to white farmers in a bid to pave way for reengagement with the international community. ââ¬ÅKondozi is only the beginning,ââ¬Â said a senior Agricultural Ministry official, who did not want to be named. He added: ââ¬Åwe will target two groups of farmers, the first will be lured back to resume farming while the second will be paid real market level compensation to demonstrate to all that the government is willing to compensate white farmers, resources permitting.ââ¬Â Agriculture Minister Joseph Made refused to discuss the matter when contacted only saying "I do not know about that," before slamming the phone down. Neither Moyo nor the De Klerks could be reached for comment on the matter. But sources said the governmentââ¬â¢s overtures had so far yielded little with for example the former owners of Kondozi refusing to return to Zimbabwe because they have already established a similar venture in neighbouring Zambia.
Dozens of white farmers chased from Zimbabwe settled in Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique, Tanzania, with some as far afield as Australia and Nigeria and are unlikely to easily give up their new homes to return to Zimbabwe. Agriculture has plummeted since the farm seizure with production of tobacco, the countryââ¬â¢s biggest single foreign currency earner, falling from more than 200 million kg in the 1999/2000 season to a merger 60 million kg this year. Food production fell by more than 60 percent with Zimbabwe, which once exported food surplus to neighboring countries, now surviving on handouts from international food agencies. About four million or a quarter of the countryââ¬â¢s 12 million people could starve this year unless donor groups chip in with food aid."
[url]http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=11785[/url]
2005-05-22 22:55 | User Profile
What's the name of that Jew that owns all that land over there? Get him to grow something.
2005-05-22 23:06 | User Profile
I guess some farmers will come home, as it is their homeland. Others may feel "fool me twice, shame on me." The aim appears to be to "portray" the government is a certain light. Does that smack of insincerity to anyone other than me?
If Vegas has a line on this, I'll bet the over on Famine. :oh:
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]"Harare - The Zimbabwe government has secretly approached former owners of Kondozi farm to return and resuscitate the giant export-earning horticultural concern in what insiders said was part of a wider plan to recall expelled white farmers to revive the countryââ¬â¢s collapsed agricultural sector. [u]Impeccable sources said under the plan the Ministry of Agriculture will in coming months approach selected farmers, especially those with expertise in horticulture, tobacco and dairy production to ask them to return to Zimbabwe to farm. The farmers will be compensated for property and equipment destroyed during the governmentââ¬â¢s chaotic and often violent land reform exercise and not for loss of revenue. But the farmers will receive immense support and preferential treatment from the state to reestablish themselves on the land, according to the sources.[/u] As well as luring white farmers back to the land the government shall also select another group of farmers whom it will compensate at market value both for loss of land and equipment during the farm seizures.
The sources said the two-pronged strategy was meant to[u] portray[/u] the government as committed to reviving the mainstay agriculture sector as well as to paying fair compensation to white farmers in a bid to pave way for reengagement with the international community. ââ¬ÅKondozi is only the beginning,ââ¬Â said a senior Agricultural Ministry official, who did not want to be named. He added: ââ¬Åwe will target two groups of farmers, the first will be lured back to resume farming while the second will be paid real market level compensation to demonstrate to all that the government is willing to compensate white farmers, resources permitting.ââ¬Â Agriculture Minister Joseph Made refused to discuss the matter when contacted only saying "I do not know about that," before slamming the phone down. Neither Moyo nor the De Klerks could be reached for comment on the matter. But sources said the governmentââ¬â¢s overtures had so far yielded little with for example the former owners of Kondozi refusing to return to Zimbabwe because they have already established a similar venture in neighbouring Zambia.
Dozens of white farmers chased from Zimbabwe settled in Zambia, Malawi, Mozambique, Tanzania, with some as far afield as Australia and Nigeria and are unlikely to easily give up their new homes to return to Zimbabwe. Agriculture has plummeted since the farm seizure with production of tobacco, the countryââ¬â¢s biggest single foreign currency earner, falling from more than 200 million kg in the 1999/2000 season to a merger 60 million kg this year. Food production fell by more than 60 percent with Zimbabwe, which once exported food surplus to neighboring countries, now surviving on handouts from international food agencies. About four million or a quarter of the countryââ¬â¢s 12 million people could starve this year unless donor groups chip in with food aid."
[url="http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=11785"]http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=11785[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-05-24 03:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]What's the name of that Jew that owns all that land over there? Get him to grow something.[/QUOTE]
You got to be kidding, but somehow i wont be suprised if you tell me a joo owns lots of land there. Oh that is rich. Anyone got anymore info ?
2005-05-24 03:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]You got to be kidding, but somehow i wont be suprised if you tell me a joo owns lots of land there. Oh that is rich. Anyone got anymore info ?[/QUOTE] Josey, a quick Google got me a few sites, including this.
[url="http://www.haruth.com/JewsZimbabwe.html"]http://www.haruth.com/JewsZimbabwe.html[/url]
Make sure the kids are out of the room first, though.
2005-05-24 03:44 | User Profile
Josey,
I don't remember this guy's name, save that he was Dutch and was in good standing with Mugabe. He owns a lot of land there. I know that someone on this board knows who I refer to.
Howard, Ed, I need you.
2005-05-24 09:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]I guess some farmers will come home, as it is their homeland. Others may feel "fool me twice, shame on me." The aim appears to be to "portray" the government is a certain light. Does that smack of insincerity to anyone other than me?
If Vegas has a line on this, I'll bet the over on Famine. :oh:[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've got to laugh. What was that trick that Lucy used to play on Charlie Brown every year? "This time I won't do it again, I promise" :lol:
2005-05-24 09:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Yeah, I've got to laugh. What was that trick that Lucy used to play on Charlie Brown every year? "This time I won't do it again, I promise" :lol:[/QUOTE]That's sort of what I was thinking about this too, Okie. What white farmer would want to return after their last experience?
The dumbass Negroes made their bed; let them sleep in it.
2005-05-24 09:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]That's sort of what I was thinking about this too, Okie. What white farmer would want to return after their last experience?
The dumbass Negroes made their bed; let them sleep in it.[/QUOTE]Well with all due respect, I never really thought Mugabe was any more of a reprsentative of the Africans as he was of Western governments who thought he was what an African leader should look like. He hardly owes his power to free elections that's for certain.
2005-05-24 11:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Josey,
I don't remember this guy's name, save that he was Dutch and was in good standing with Mugabe. He owns a lot of land there. I know that someone on this board knows who I refer to.[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs005c.html]Hoogstraten.[/URL]
2005-05-24 12:07 | User Profile
Recluse, i just read that article. As disturbing as it is, i suspect Hoogstraten is now sitting on land that nobody will buy. Who the heck would want to go live there now with the savages running loose ?
2005-05-24 12:47 | User Profile
Every White in sub-Africa should pack up their belongings and leave. IN a sane world we would exchange our negroes for their Whites and be done with the whole mess.
2005-05-24 12:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]Recluse, i just read that article. As disturbing as it is, i suspect Hoogstraten is now sitting on land that nobody will buy. Who the heck would want to go live there now with the savages running loose ?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'd love to know what's happened to his holdings in Zim. I just read in a Scottish paper today that he's had troubles paying his legal bills, if that's true he may well have screwed himself. Pierce talked about that in his "The Scorpion and the Frog" broadcast. Jews despise us so much they frequently engage in self-destructive behavior, like engineering an immigration policy that floods the country with Arabs and other third-worlders who really don't give a damn about them.
[url]http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs0107b.html[/url]
[url]http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=488&id=363882004[/url]
2005-05-24 13:20 | User Profile
Sweet irony. His family made a fortune dealing in black slaves, and Mugabe is happy to have him as a smart enough tool to keep at least some land under cultivation. Useful parasite.
And honest farmers were run off orkilled. Does this sound at all like the evolution of agribusiness in America? Hmmmm. In America, it was just 'attack with a deadly attorney.'
2005-05-24 15:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=JoseyWales]Recluse, i just read that article. As disturbing as it is, i suspect Hoogstraten is now sitting on land that nobody will buy. Who the heck would want to go live there now with the savages running loose ?[/QUOTE]
Apparently Bobby Mugabe eventually took a lot of his land:
The sayings of Nicholas Van Hoogstraten
ON WOMEN
"Women are responsible for the decline of the British Empire and we should never have given them the vote."
ON WIVES
"Like all ex-wives, mine is a raving lunatic, which is one reason I no longer have anything to do with her."
ON WEALTH
"Itââ¬â¢s relative ... the thing is, whatever one has, itââ¬â¢s not enough, without sounding greedy. Even if one has ã500 million, it doesnââ¬â¢t go very far."
ON BUSINESS
"I am probably ruthless and probably violent. I go for direct personal retribution. I deal with people in cold blood, not hot blood."
ON VIOLENCE
"Everyone can be brought to the point of violence, depending on the circumstances. One keeps oneââ¬â¢s insurance policies up to date.
"Obviously we have people to call on when things need doing from time to time."
ON THE LEGAL ESTABLISHMENT
In the 1980s, he was fined for threatening Judge Michael Hyam telling him: "I will get you in ten years."
Hoogstraten later explained: "I was very, very irate."
ON TENANTS
Speaking of "difficult" tenants who refuse to be bought out: "There are other ways of making them go - from taking the roof off or making sure they have a nasty accident going along the road."
ON CHILDREN
"I donââ¬â¢t believe in inherited wealth. I will leave my children a few million so they wonââ¬â¢t starve. But I have seen people who think the world owes them a living. I believe everyone should do something useful."
ON CHILDBIRTH
When challenged about his response - "My expensive carpet! Donââ¬â¢t make a mess" - to the imminent birth of his son, Orrie, as his wifeââ¬â¢s waters broke: "It was worth thousands and she practically ruined it."
ON RAMBLERS
"Theyââ¬â¢re what we call the dirty mac brigade. Very few decent, upright citizens; people who pay their rates, taxes and have a house they own, are anything to do with the Ramblers Association."
ON FAMILY LIFE
"I believe in the old order, which is that the man was the provider and the woman looked after the children and the home. I see more of traditional life and the way things should be in Africa."
ON MUGABE
The most "modest" man he has ever met.
"I entirely agree with what Mugabe has said and done. The white man is not indigenous to Africa. Africa is for the Africans."
Later, Mugabe seized many of his farms.
[url]http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=488&id=789272002[/url] :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
2005-05-24 15:31 | User Profile
Yep, this is the swine I was thinking of. Good that he was hoisted by his own petard. [QUOTE]"I entirely agree with what Mugabe has said and done. The white man is not indigenous to Africa. Africa is for the Africans."
Later, Mugabe seized many of his farms.[/QUOTE] Too bad Mugabe didn't seized him as well. He wouldn't be missed.
2005-05-24 17:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]Josey, a quick Google got me a few sites, including this.
[url="http://www.haruth.com/JewsZimbabwe.html"]http://www.haruth.com/JewsZimbabwe.html[/url]
Make sure the kids are out of the room first, though.[/QUOTE]I was enthralled looking at the pictures. I will be referencing these shots to illustrate that Jews when motivated and circumstances dictate will live on the land. I hope American Jews join them rather than waste their time going to Israel.
2005-05-24 17:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Yep, this is the swine I was thinking of. Good that he was hoisted by his own petard. [QUOTE]"I entirely agree with what Mugabe has said and done. The white man is not indigenous to Africa. [I][COLOR=Red]Africa is for the Africans[/COLOR][/I]."[/QUOTE]Later, Mugabe seized many of his farms. Too bad Mugabe didn't seized him as well. He wouldn't be missed.[/QUOTE] Hegel noted that Europe at its peak controlled the African continent and should control northern Africa once again for its own good. Europeans lived in northern Africa and the land benefited. Hegel was not an admirer of the black African. From my book: [QUOTE]In the early 1800s Hegel informed his students that in Africa parents sell their children or conversely children sell their parents if given the opportunity. He remarked on a Negro in London bemoaning his being a poor man because he had sold all his relatives. The reward for the English who had done the most to abolish the trade in slavery was to be regarded as by Africans as an enemy
Hegel, [I]The Philosophy of History[/I], pp96-8 (Dover Edition, 1956)[/QUOTE]Still is pertinent to this day.
2005-05-30 17:13 | User Profile
Before the west is inundated with refugees, requests for aid, ect, we should be using our cruise missiles & B-52's to chase this insane baboon's useless carcass to the graveyard.
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[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4593543.stm[/url]
Last Updated: Monday, 30 May, 2005, 12:59 GMT 13:59 UK
[B]Zimbabwe is to proceed with plans to nationalise all farmland, a ruling party official has said.
Zanu-PF spokesman Nathan Shamuvarira said the party would amend the constitution so as to abolish rights to private ownership of land.
He said the move would end "ceaseless litigation" by white farmers whose property has been expropriated by decree over the past five y[/B][B]ears.[/B]
Under the proposed new system, land would be leased for 99-year terms.
All the former farmers can do after these amendments would be to contest the amount of compensation
The statement appeared in state media.
"Through the amendments we are going to push for when parliament resumes sitting in June, all land will become state land, with farmers leasing it on a 99-year lease basis," Mr Shamuvarira said.
"This will dispense with the ownership litigation process.
"All the former farmers can do after these amendments would be to contest the amount of compensation."
Zanu-PF has a large enough parliamentary majority to push through constitutional changes.
However, some party officials who are themselves landowners are understood to be unhappy with the proposal.
The move comes after some white farmers won court cases against the government after contesting the expropriation of their land.
2005-06-02 21:07 | User Profile
Didn't the Soviets cripple Russian agriculture by pulling a similar stunt? Or is the lease approach deemed incentive based, rather than collectivization? The fig leaf would be that it presents opportunity for profit, which Mugabe's thugs can then confiscate under any rubric they choose. :blink:
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Before the west is inundated with refugees, requests for aid, ect, we should be using our cruise missiles & B-52's to chase this insane baboon's useless carcass to the graveyard.
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[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4593543.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4593543.stm[/url]
Last Updated: Monday, 30 May, 2005, 12:59 GMT 13:59 UK
Zimbabwe is to proceed with plans to nationalise all farmland, a ruling party official has said.
Zanu-PF spokesman Nathan Shamuvarira said the party would amend the constitution so as to abolish rights to private ownership of land.
He said the move would end "ceaseless litigation" by white farmers whose property has been expropriated by decree over the past five years.
Under the proposed new system, land would be leased for 99-year terms. [/QUOTE]
2005-06-02 21:11 | User Profile
The whole mess would not have started had South Africa's indigenous not allowed white farmers in their country in the first place.
2005-06-02 21:12 | User Profile
We're talking about Zimbabwe here! different country, same uninvited visitors!
2005-06-02 21:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]The whole mess would not have started had South Africa's indigenous not allowed white farmers in their country in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Wow, i had never thought of it that way !
[img]http://www.zaldiva.com/images/TSHIRTS/SPONGEBOB/spongebob_duhandduhertshirt_pic1%20(WinCE).jpg[/img]
2005-06-02 21:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]The whole mess would not have started had South Africa's indigenous not allowed white farmers in their country in the first place.[/QUOTE]:blow:
If the indigenous had had the means to resist, the wit, and the will, they might have been able to. Having been both out smarted and outfought, looks like they could not. Your point would also be, no doubt, that had Napoleon committed the reserve at Borodino, he'd have won the Russian / 1812 campaign.
Hello, the year is 2005.
Back under the bridge with you.
2005-06-03 02:26 | User Profile
I corrected myself. It's Zimbabwe. I'm a little worried about the spongebob thing, but who am I to judge? so, when white people want a piece of land, all they have to is kill the people who live there, and then its theirs fair and square?
2005-06-03 02:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]I corrected myself. It's Zimbabwe. I'm a little worried about the spongebob thing, but who am I to judge? so, when white people want a piece of land, all they have to is kill the people who live there, and then its theirs fair and square?[/QUOTE]That was the historical trend for a few hundred years. For that matter, anyone who ever wanted some land, like the Muslims who first spread Islam all the way into Southern France, or the Mongols who swept west and covered most of Eurasia, the Romans heading into Gaul, the Macedonians into India, would invade it and take it.
It is only relatively recently that this habit has come into question.
2005-06-03 02:39 | User Profile
Now that we are more civilized than we were centuries ago, why don't all white squatters in any African nation go back where they came from?
2005-06-03 02:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Now that we are more civilized than we were centuries ago, why don't all white squatters in any African nation go back where they came from?[/QUOTE] Since when is a citizen a squatter? If you family has lived in Zimbabwe for four generations, you are no squatter. It is your home.
Your comment is racist at best, ignorant at worst. :wacko:
2005-06-03 04:03 | User Profile
Now I'm the racist? If someone came to your house-THIS IS NO THREAT, JUST A HYPOTHETICAL-If someone came to your house, with more weaponry than you could match, gave you and your family orders on where you could go, what you could do, who you could and could not speak to, etc., etc., would your home, after a little while of this, become their home, and you the villain if you tried to fact back, or at least wished the intruder would take a hike?
2005-06-03 04:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Now I'm the racist? If someone came to your house-THIS IS NO THREAT, JUST A HYPOTHETICAL-If someone came to your house, with more weaponry than you could match, gave you and your family orders on where you could go, what you could do, who you could and could not speak to, etc., etc., would your home, after a little while of this, become their home, and you the villain if you tried to fact back, or at least wished the intruder would take a hike?[/QUOTE] Try your analogy with a piece of land where multiple houses can be built, and we'll carry this forward.
Since I live in the Nueces Strip, I have a stake in resisting the sophistry of "we have a better claim" from generations past. I will indeed fight to prevent the interlopers from attempting to set the clock of history back 170 years. If they kill me, they get the land. It's that simple.
History moves forward. Once you understand that, you see the weakness of your argument. What happened in the latest go round? For better and worse, the occupants were forced off of their land. Some fought, some left to live elsewhere. What is different this time, some generations later, is that rather than making the land more productive, the new landlords are starving the people the land previously supported.
So, in your analogy above, the new arrivals show up with guns, then tear the house down. That's nuts.
2005-06-03 05:03 | User Profile
It sure is nuts, and it's pretty much what happened to Africa and the Americas, from the indigenous peoples' point of view, and by the way, I am one of those brothers with Indian in his family!
2005-06-03 12:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]It sure is nuts, and it's pretty much what happened to Africa and the Americas, from the indigenous peoples' point of view, and by the way, I am one of those brothers with Indian in his family![/QUOTE] Yes. Conquest is cruel by 21st century standards. That's how the world operated though, including among the "indigenous" peoples, for most of human history.
Now that the "squatters" in Zimbabwe have been evicted, it looks like the "indigenous" people in Zimbabwe are beginning to regret the decision.
2005-06-03 13:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]It sure is nuts, and it's pretty much what happened to Africa and the Americas, from the indigenous peoples' point of view, and by the way, I am one of those brothers with Indian in his family![/QUOTE]Hmm. From where I sit, the new comers showed up and built a house, rather than live in a tent, but to be fair, the lodge nations had a house. They just got conquered. Old story, last I checked. ST's comment on point.
2005-06-03 15:07 | User Profile
10 years ago Mozambique had a 100,000 hectors of land under cultivation (mostly subsistent agriculture). Mozambique's government started a program that offered 100,000 hectors of uncultivated land to 1,000 white South Africa farming families. They understood that 1,000 white Mozambican farmers would be more productive than there entire nation.
Basically the deal with the Africans is this. African land can not be settled permanently by whites or any other group of people for that matter. The Africans however will effectively lease large quantities of land to whites.
The problem is that the Asians have entered Africa (traditionally Europe's sphere) and are intent on further developing their Africa interests. The European powers will not tolerate such a loss of influence in the face of their competitors 'the Asian's' expansion in this region.
Africa features highly in the EU's foreign policy. Africa due to it's ores reserves and other resources is of considerable strategic importance to Europe. For this reason and humanitarian grounds the EU is increasing it's development aid to Africa. The EU provides 50% of global development assistance to the developing world. This will apparently increase in the long run as new EU members begin to fulfil their obligations toward's the EU development fund.
As for Zimbabwe: Where are Mugabe's liberal homosexual European and Jewish friends now?
African communists like Mugabe days are numbered. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his own people topple him.
Gregz
"When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you." - African proverb
2005-06-06 22:31 | User Profile
I have a great idea for a place the white farmers could go...EUROPE!