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Thread ID: 18261 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2005-05-16
2005-05-16 05:00 | User Profile
Bishops back aid to immigrants [img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/clear.gif[/img] [img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/twt-grey2.gif[/img] By Stephen Dinan THE WASHINGTON TIMES [img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/twt-grey2.gif[/img] The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops announced yesterday that it will "add the voice of the Catholic Church" to the call for major immigration legislation, including a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens in the United States. Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the archbishop of Washington, said Catholic parishes and social service agencies see firsthand the results of the current law, including long waits for family reunification and mistreatment of illegal aliens. He added that bishops also are "disturbed with the current public discourse," which they see as anti-immigrant.
"Because we witness such suffering, it is clear to the bishops of the United States and to agencies that work with us that our immigration system is broken and needs repair. Before we can achieve that goal, however, we must change public attitudes about immigrants," he said at a press conference in Washington to announce the ?Justice for Immigrants" campaign. The campaign calls for faster family reunification, a guest-worker program that eventually leads to citizenship, better protections for both immigrant and native-born workers, and a path to citizenship for those in the country illegally. Mark Franken, executive director of Migration and Refugee Services for the bishops conference, said this approach does not amount to amnesty. "The bishops' position on this is more complex and in some ways nuanced," he said. "There are other people who have waited for years to obtain legal visas, to reunite with families, and so it shouldn't be an automatic, ?OK, you're here, you've got a document.' But rather, folks need to come forward and demonstrate they've been contributing members of society, they are held in good standing, they have built up equity in this country, they are earning this legalization." Cardinal McCarrick said religious teachings justify aiding illegal aliens. "We go right to the New Testament and say, him or her who is without sin cast the first stone," he said. "How many of us have not violated some laws, whatever they might have been -- either they're traffic laws or immigration laws or tax laws, something like that." The immigration debate has heated up this year in Congress, with the House and Senate preparing for a major battle over broad changes in immigration policy. Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, are expected to introduce a major legalization bill tomorrow, and two Arizona Republicans will introduce a companion bill in the House. President Bush last year announced his own principles for an immigration overhaul, including a guest-worker program. Cardinal McCarrick said Mr. Bush's proposal opens a discussion and recognizes the need to address immigration and employment issues, but does not resolve a backlog of families waiting to reunite in the United States. "It doesn't go far enough. It doesn't really touch on those family issues," he said.
[url="http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050510-113801-4424r.htm"]http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050510-113801-4424r.htm[/url]
2005-05-22 22:38 | User Profile
Jaw drops. The rhetoric is insulting to the intelligence, is it not?
[QUOTE] 1 We must change public attitudes toward immigrants? Not illegals, who break our law, invade our borders. My (p) grandmother was an immigrant, she had to put up with the red tape.
[QUOTE] 2. Equating violating our border with a traffic ticket? [/QUOTE]Federal versus midemeanor, for starters, and complete lack of scope and scale. Sure, cancer is like a cold. :taz:
- Senators McCain and Kennedy teaming up? OK, which one is Oscar, which one is Felix?
Here's an idea: Round up all land mines the Army has outside the country, and bring them home. Start at Brownsville, end near Chula Vista, and start sewing the fields. Legitimate defense of our borders. As a courtesy to our fellow man, ensure all Spanish language stations get the press release: "The borders are now mined, you have been warned."
Cheaper than a mission to Mars, eh?
[QUOTE=Stigmata]Bishops back aid to immigrants [img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/clear.gif[/img] [img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/twt-grey2.gif/img By Stephen Dinan THE WASHINGTON TIMES [img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/twt-grey2.gif[/img] 1. Before we can achieve that goal, however, we must change public attitudes about immigrants," he said at a press conference in Washington to announce the ?Justice for Immigrants" campaign.
"We go right to the New Testament and say, him or her who is without sin cast the first stone," he said. "How many of us have not violated some laws, whatever they might have been -- either they're traffic laws or immigration laws or tax laws, something like that."
Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, are expected to introduce a major legalization bill tomorrow, and two Arizona Republicans will introduce a companion bill in the House. [/QUOTE]
2005-05-22 22:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE]2. "We go right to the New Testament and say, him or her who is without sin cast the first stone," he said. "How many of us have not violated some laws, whatever they might have been -- either they're traffic laws or immigration laws or tax laws, something like that."[/QUOTE] Apples and oranges. Idiots like this are not only their worst enemies, but everyone else as well that understands the concept of what a nation is. Reading things like this make me think that perhaps that the tax free status should be removed.
2005-05-22 22:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Apples and oranges. Idiots like this are not only their worst enemies, but everyone else as well that understands the concept of what a nation is. Reading things like this make me think that perhaps that the tax free status should be removed.[/QUOTE]
Everything about these liberal lunatics opposes traditional Christian teaching.
A nutcase parading as a Christian remains a nutcase. Always remember that, Stigmata.
2005-05-23 00:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]Everything about these liberal lunatics opposes traditional Christian teaching.[/QUOTE]WILD_B,
Traditional Christian teaching is just exactly that: [u]Traditional[/u]
It is long in the past now - 40 years is a long time ago! - it is history except for a few lonely voices.
[QUOTE=THE WASHINGTON TIMES]
[img]http://images.washtimes.com/images/twt-grey2.gif[/img] [u]The U.S. Conference of[/u] [u]Catholic Bishops announced yesterday that it will "add the voice of the Catholic Church" to the call for major immigration legislation, including a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens in the United States.[/u] [/QUOTE][QUOTE=NationalCatholicReporter]
[color=#980000][size=3]Council a vital boost to Hispanic identity[/size] [/color] [color=#000000][size=1]By ROSA MARIA ICAZA[/size] [/color]
[size=+2]A[/size]s we celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Second Vatican Council, it is good to reflect on how that event has affected the Hispanic community. Since the majority of my people are Catholic, all the changes in our church have a great impact...
... In 1970, Patricio F. Flores was named the first Mexican-American bishop, and several Hispanic priests became pastors. Up to this point, few Hispanic priests had been named to any position of leadership. [u]Now many dioceses are requiring that seminarians learn Spanish.[/u]
[url="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/100402/100402g.htm"]http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/100402/100402g.htm[/url] [/QUOTE]
2005-05-23 01:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute]WILD_B,
Traditional Christian teaching is just exactly that: [u]Traditional[/u]
It is long in the past now - 40 years is a long time ago! - it is history except for a few lonely voices.[/QUOTE]
No, the teachings remain and are still supported and taught by the true Church. Just because millions follow false teachings doesn't negate what is true. For every truth, satan creates a thousand lies. False churches will always follow fashion in hopes of being accepted by the powers that be. Yet, God never changes and neither does His truth.
2005-05-23 01:46 | User Profile
I could wish we had this too...
[QUOTE]Fr. Virgilio Elizondo, a well-known Hispanic theologian and pastoral leader, summarizes the development within and growth and maturation of the Catholic Hispanic community since the council in his book Galilean Journey: ââ¬ÅVatican Council II had told us we had a right to our heritage, to our art and music, to our traditions, to our language, to our festivals, and to our culture. It reminded us that this was ââ¬Ëthe way of the Incarnation.ââ¬â¢ ââ¬Â[/QUOTE]
2005-05-23 02:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]
Just because ( [color=red]Hundreds of ) Millions[/color] follow false teachings [/QUOTE] Like I posted:
It is long in the past now - 40 years is a long time ago! - it (traditional teachings) is history except for a few lonely voices.
2005-05-23 02:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]I could wish we had this too...[/QUOTE][center][color=blue]If you are a white man I think you will be very unhappy with the world the church has planned (and is making) for you and your children.[/color][/center]
[center][img]http://www.usccb.org/images/mrs/Called-to-One-Table.gif[/img][/center] [center][/center] [center][size=2]Office of Migration & Refugee Services[/size][/center] [center][size=2]United States Conference of Catholic Bishops[/size][/center] [center][size=1]3211 4th Street, N.E., Washington, DC 20017-1194 (202) 541-3000 [/size][/center]
[center][url="http://www.usccb.org/mrs/nmw/2002.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/mrs/nmw/2002.htm[/url][/center]
2005-05-23 03:49 | User Profile
Knute
And they wonder why some right-wing nationalist are joining Wodenists sects and other such things...
2005-05-23 04:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Knute
..some right-wing nationalist are joining Wodenists .[/QUOTE] Right and Left.... many are waking up from their slumber.....
2005-05-23 10:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill]No, the teachings remain and are still supported and taught by the true Church. [/QUOTE]The most beloved pontiff in history, true or false church?:
[size=5][color=#17508d]The Pope's Visit: Is Mass Immigration A Moral Imperative[/color][/size]
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Pope John Paul II's visit to the United States in October was a major offensive in the lobbying campaign for high immigration that the U.S. Catholic hierarchy has waged for decades. The U.S. Catholic bishops have stepped up their campaign since 1994 in the face of California voters' support for Proposition 187's curbs on illegal aliens as well as rising public and Congressional support for lower legal immigration.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE] John Paul II made the presumed moral obligation of Americans to accept more immigration a key theme of his homilies in New York, New Jersey and Baltimore, and in his meeting with President Clinton. He voiced the hope that ''America would persevere in its own best traditions'' as a ''haven for generation after generation of new arrivals.'' The pope is not a neophyte in using his visits here to step into the politics of immigration. In Texas in 1987 he publicly endorsed the ''sanctuary movement." Sanctuary activists, many sponsored by churches, were then smuggling and harboring illegal aliens from conflict-torn Central American countries as a condemnation of allegedly unresponsive U.S. foreign policy and refugee law.
[/QUOTE][url="http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=525&terms"]http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=525&terms[/url]=
2005-05-23 14:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata]The most beloved pontiff in history, true or false church?:
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First, I don't consider the RCC to be the true church. Its in apostasy and besides that, their clergy don't even follow its official doctrines anyway. The official RCC policy on immigration is that it should be allowed only if the people in a country want to allow the immigrants to come. This is obviously not the case, so all these Catholics who are aiding and abetting immigration into the US are doing so in contradiction to their own policies.
As an Orthodox Christian, the only people my church helps bring to the US are whites from Eastern Europe. Although this may be a negative for the countries losing the people, its a plus for the US. Also the Church sponsors agencies that find Orthodox homes in the US for orphans from Orthodox countries. Most parishes send money to poor people in Russia. I know of no Orthodox groups bringing non-whites into the US. If I heard about any, I would personally protest against it. So I'm proving to you that there are Christians out there who are actually helping the white race. In fact, I would say that Orthodoxy probably does more to actually help white people by accident in one year than ALL the so-called pro-white groups combined have ever accomplished.
The kind of aid that's sponsored by Orthodox groups that helps non-whites are things like advertising coffee products sold by black Orthodox parishes in places like Haiti. I have no problem with this kind of help. After all, if the conditions in Haiti improve, the colored people there will have less motivation to come to the US.
2005-05-23 23:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata]The most beloved pontiff in history, true or false church?:[color=Indigo]
[/color][size=3][color=Indigo]The Pope's Visit: Is Mass Immigration A Moral Imperative [/color][/size] [size=1] [url="http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=525&terms="]http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=525&terms=[/url][/size] [/QUOTE][size=2][/size]
[center][color=white].[/color]**Faithful Citizenship: A Call to Political Responsibility
** [/center] [center]According to **The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops :[/center]
[center]Approximately 39% - or 25 million ââ¬â of U.S. Catholics are Hispanic.[/center]
[center]Hispanics make up 41% of all Catholics under age 30, and 44% of all Catholics under age 10**. [/center]
[center]Since 1960, 71% of the U.S. Catholic population growth has been due to[/center] [center]the growth in the number of Hispanics in the U.S. population overall.[/center]
[center][u]By the second decade of the 21st century,[/u][/center] [center][u]over 50% of U.S. Catholics will likely be Hispanic. [color=Purple][/color][/u][color=Purple]**_____
It is simple to see whose side the church is on.
. **[/color][/center]
2005-05-24 10:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute]Right and Left.... many are waking up from their slumber.....[/QUOTE]
Waking up to wodenism??
LOL! :lol:
Surely you've got some better ammunition than this, little knut(case).
2005-05-24 14:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill] The official RCC policy on immigration is that it should be allowed only if the people in a country want to allow the immigrants to come. This is obviously not the case, so all these Catholics who are aiding and abetting immigration into the US are doing so in contradiction to their own policies.[/QUOTE]That's a derious charge, Bill, that the Pope and all the US Bishops and so many more Catholics are deliberately violating "official RCC policy." To whom does one report such a violation? What is the penalty? Who enforces it?
2005-05-24 15:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute]Right and Left.... many are waking up from their slumber.....[/QUOTE]
It's doubtful that those who've rejected Christian claims as unlikely will embrace Norse religions/ways instead.
2005-05-24 18:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] Waking up [color=navy]to[/color] wodenism?? LOL!... little knut(case).[/QUOTE] Perhaps they are waking up [color=navy]to:[/color] [color=#000080][/color] [color=#000080][color=#000000] [/color] [center]According to The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops : [/center] [center]Approximately 39% - or 25 million ââ¬â of U.S. Catholics are Hispanic. [/center] [center]Hispanics make up 41% of all Catholics under age 30, and 44% of all Catholics under age 10. [/center] [center]Since 1960, 71% of the U.S. Catholic population growth has been due to[/center] [center]the growth in the number of Hispanics in the U.S. population overall.[/center]
[center][u]By the second decade of the 21st century,[/u][/center] [center][u]over 50% of U.S. Catholics will likely be Hispanic. [/u][color=purple]**_____
It is simple to see whose side the church is on.**[/color][/center] [/color]
[center][img]http://www.usccb.org/images/mrs/Called-to-One-Table.gif[/img][/center] [center][/center] [center][size=1]Office of Migration & Refugee Services[/size][/center] [center][size=1]United States Conference of Catholic Bishops[/size][/center] [center][size=1]3211 4th Street, N.E., Washington, DC 20017-1194 (202) 541-3000 [/size][/center]
[center][url="http://www.usccb.org/mrs/nmw/2002.htm"][color=#0000ff]http://www.usccb.org/mrs/nmw/2002.htm[/color][/url][/center] [center] [/center]
2005-05-24 20:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute]Perhaps they are waking up: By the second decade of the 21st century,over 50% of U.S. Catholics will likely be Hispanic.[/QUOTE]
By that same time the entire state of Texas and greater Southwest will likely be 75% Mexican and Central American.
So what's the point, knutcase? Do you think we don't know this here and need you to enlighten us? If you have the magic answer to the immigration problem, then please, by all means share it with us. Think of how famous you could be. :king:
2005-05-26 16:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata] the Pope and all the US Bishops and so many more Catholics are deliberately violating "official RCC policy." To whom does one report such a violation? What is the penalty? Who enforces it?[/QUOTE][u]The Vicar of Christ (Lat. Vicarius Christi) has spoken![/u]
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| **In Texas in 1987 he (The Pope) publicly endorsed the ''sanctuary movement." Sanctuary activists, many sponsored by churches, were then smuggling and harboring illegal aliens...** **...............** |
[size=1][color=#808080][/color][/size] [size=1][color=#808080][/color][/size] [size=1][color=#808080]The Pope's Visit: Is Mass Immigration A Moral Imperative[/color] [/size][url="http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=525&terms"][color=#0000ff]http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cg...cleID=525&terms[/color][/url]=
2005-05-27 07:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute][u]The Vicar of Christ (Lat. Vicarius Christi) has spoken![/u]
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| **In Texas in 1987 he (The Pope) publicly endorsed the ''sanctuary movement." Sanctuary activists, many sponsored by churches, were then smuggling and harboring illegal aliens...** **...............** |
[size=1][color=#808080]The Pope's Visit: Is Mass Immigration A Moral Imperative[/color] [/size][url="http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=525&terms"][color=#0000ff]http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cg...cleID=525&terms[/color][/url]=
______[/QUOTE]It seems to me the whole Catholic Church, just like World Jewry, is a giant criminal conspiracy that should be prosecuted under the RICO laws and all their property Aryanized.