← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · RowdyRoddyPiper
Thread ID: 18240 | Posts: 13 | Started: 2005-05-15
2005-05-15 00:44 | User Profile
Recommended columnist:
[url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/spengler.html[/url] [url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/Spengler1.html[/url]
Writes under a pseudonym for some reason. Big-picture "civilisation-level" commentary. Says some interesting stuff about America vs Europe and Christians vs Muslims vs Jews. And of course everyone's favourites, the neo-cons. In keeping with his pseudonym he spends a lot of time talking about the decline of the West (particularly Europe). Not sure if he (or she) is Asian or a Westerner.
2005-05-15 01:01 | User Profile
See [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14036&highlight=spengler]Ask Spengler[/URL]
2005-05-16 21:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]Writes under a pseudonym for some reason. Big-picture "civilisation-level" commentary. Says some interesting stuff about America vs Europe and Christians vs Muslims vs Jews. And of course everyone's favourites, the neo-cons. In keeping with his pseudonym he spends a lot of time talking about the decline of the West (particularly Europe). Not sure if he (or she) is Asian or a Westerner.[/QUOTE]This imposter wrote as below: [QUOTE][B][CENTER]Asia Times March 3, 2005[/CENTER][/B] [url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GC08Aa02.html[/url]
No Jewish conspiracy endangered Germany's national existence - [COLOR=Red]German Jews won decorations for heroism at twice the rate of Christian Germans during World War I[/COLOR] - but rather Germany's own failure of heart. George Bernard Shaw wrote in 1904 (in Man and Superman) of Europe's coming population crisis:[/QUOTE]This obvious myth has long been promulagated by those seeking succor and recognition from Jews. I replied that it was much more than highly doubtful that the Jews of Germany were awarded valor medals at twice the rate of Germans when Germans died at a rate 50% more than their supposed countrymen. My letter was not printed.
2005-05-17 20:24 | User Profile
Here you can see this neocon propagandist claiming that [COLOR=Indigo]"[B]No sillier allegation has found its way into mass-circulation newspapers than the notion that a conspiracy of Leo Strauss acolytes has infiltrated the Bush administration[/B]" [/COLOR]
He also gloats that [COLOR=Indigo]"[B]Demography soon will solve Europe's Existential crisis, as the Europeans die out[/B]."[/COLOR]
[url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/910008/posts[/url]
Petr
2005-05-17 20:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]Here you can see this neocon propagandist claiming that [COLOR=Indigo]"[B]No sillier allegation has found its way into mass-circulation newspapers than the notion that a conspiracy of Leo Strauss acolytes has infiltrated the Bush administration[/B]" [/COLOR]
He also gloats that [COLOR=Indigo]"[B]Demography soon will solve Europe's Existential crisis, as the Europeans die out[/B]."[/COLOR]
[url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/910008/posts[/url]
Petr[/QUOTE]
Why does a rabid, anti-white neocon use the pen name "Spengler?" It makes about as much sense as a paleocon or racialist using the pen name "Trotsky" or "Adorno."
2005-05-22 00:48 | User Profile
"Spengler" seems to be some kind a of Jewish agitator who constantly tries to sow ill feelings between Europeans and Americans, Christians and pagans, in other words to divide and conquer.
(A piece of one Biblical commentary just popped to my head, according to which Satan himself is a sort of he-said-she-said wheeler-dealer: "In the book of Genesis, we see Satan badmouthing God to men; in the book of Job, we see him badmouthing men to God")
Here he is mocking Euro-pagans and the Roman Catholic church:
[COLOR=Indigo]"There is clownish Breton nationalism, independence movements in Corsica and Galicia, and the bloodthirsty Basque obsession with independence, not to mention the revival of the Welsh and Gaelic languages. Meanwhile the dwindling inhabitants of Italy wax sentimental over the pre-Roman kingdom of the Samnites. What applies to the Roman equivalent of the Home Counties, namely the Italic peoples, applies all the more so to the empire. [B]After thousands of years, after Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire, after Napoleon and Hitler, and after the European Union, Europe still languishes in nostalgia for the mud and stink of barbarian tribes long since faded into obscurity[/B].
One cannot assimilate peoples by force. Empire and ideology are poor substitutes for blood and culture. To be remembered, we require not only progeny, but progeny who speak our language. Globalization did not begin with McDonald's, but with Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar, and later with Church and Empire. The nations converted at swordpoint never reconciled themselves to homogeneity of religion and ruler; only the individuals who abandoned their culture and set sail for America are free of the old ghosts. [B]The United States has nothing to do with "Western civilization", that is, the Dead Peoples Society. The founders of the US were radical rejectionists who broke away from Western civilization to found something quite different, a throwback to the Hebraic notion of a Chosen People.[/B]
I have acquaintances who have embraced the Catholic faith on the premise that the Church represents the continuity of European high culture - the philosophy of Augustine and Aquinas, the poetry of Petrarch and Dante, the music of Palestrina and Mozart. [B]I think they were short-changed. The philosophers, poets and musicians were for the most part mercenaries in imperial employ, ready to betray their ecclesiastical masters at first opportunity.[/B] So-called Western philosophy is the softest target. It takes a long-faced functionary with no sense of humor to pass off Church dogma as the successor to Greek philosophy. My reading of Socrates, along with his great predecessors Parmenides and Xeno, has more in common with Mel Brooks' "standup philosopher" routine in History of the World, Part I. In fact, Plato's "Parmenides" dialogue is much funnier than Brooks' "Caesar's Palace" routine in the cited film:
[I]Socrates, he said, I admire the bent of your mind towards philosophy; tell me now, was this your own distinction between ideas in themselves and the things which partake of them? ...
I think that there are such ideas, said Socrates.
Parmenides proceeded: And would you also make absolute ideas of the just and the beautiful and the good, and of all that class?
Yes, he said, I should ...
And would you feel equally undecided, Socrates, about things of which the mention may provoke a smile? I mean such things as hair, mud, dirt, or anything else which is vile and paltry? ...[/I]
Socrates avers that a "universal idea" of hair, or dirt, leads him into a "bottomless pit of nonsense". I do not see Socrates as an apostle of reason but as an ironist, following Soren Kierkegaard (Socrates the destroyer, May 24, 2004).
[B]Catholic culture of the 20th century was a junkyard dog, rooting up the remnants of dead cultures.[/B] Its exemplar was T S Eliot, the Nobel Prize winner in literature who converted to Anglo-Catholicism late in life. Eliot did more than any other individual of his generation to marry the notion of High Culture to Catholicism, which is odd. "[/COLOR]
[url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GB15Aa01.html[/url]
Petr
2005-05-22 00:51 | User Profile
Here "Spengler" has more stuff to say about Socrates, and he actually repeats the now-notorious Ledeenian line about "creative destruction":
[url]http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FE25Aa01.html[/url]
[COLOR=Blue] [B]"US policymakers would benefit from a few quiet hours with Kierkegaard, whose 1841 doctoral dissertation showed Socrates not as a system-builder but as a destroyer [B]who saw that Greek culture was a failure and set out to tear down its premises[/B].
...
"Disturbing as Kierkegaard's conclusion may be, his case is most convincing that Socrates was an ironist, a "revolutionary", the destroyer of the invalid old. [U]Only in that sense is the United States Socratic: it is the embodiment of creative destruction, reinventing itself to the ruin of the remnants of history[/U]. Kierkegaard's Socrates - the ironist, not the system builder - yet may serve as an inspiration to US policy."[/B][/COLOR]
Petr
2005-06-11 04:45 | User Profile
[COLOR=Sienna][B][I] - "Why does a rabid, anti-white neocon use the pen name "Spengler?""[/I][/B][/COLOR]
In all likelihood, to ironically [I]celebrate[/I] "das Untergang des Abendlandes."
Petr
2005-06-11 05:18 | User Profile
Yes, indeed Psedo-Spengler is indeed a evil jew-ranter. I have to partially agree with him on one thing:
[color=#4b0082]**The United States has nothing to do with "Western civilization", that is, the Dead Peoples Society. The founders of the US were radical rejectionists who broke away from Western civilization to found something quite different, a throwback to the Hebraic notion of a Chosen People.**[/color]
[color=#4b0082][/color] [color=#4b0082] The US is part of Western Civilization indeed, but his latter point is essentially correct. There is a kind of "nigger in the woodshed" of America's founding and it is that quaint Hebraic notion of a Chosen People. Later on this silly bit of pious nonsense was renamed "American Exceptionalism." America was founded on this stupid Jewish notion bequeathed to us by our Calvinist forebears. I have fought this notion for years.[/color]
2005-06-11 09:25 | User Profile
[COLOR=Sienna][I][B] - "There is a kind of "nigger in the woodshed" of America's founding and it is that quaint Hebraic notion of a Chosen People. Later on this silly bit of pious nonsense was renamed "American Exceptionalism." America was founded on this stupid Jewish notion bequeathed to us by our Calvinist forebears."[/B][/I][/COLOR]
There was nothing wrong with the basic Puritan vision until it was perverted in the 18th century by Enlightenment secularism.
You know, ALL forms of Western nationalism were influenced, more or less, with this notion of being a "chosen people" [I]a la [/I] ancient Israel. It is not something to be ashamed [I]per se[/I]. Even people like Fyodor Dostoevsky could very seriously view Russians as being "chosen people," destined to contribute something unique to the world.
I am not myself any Marcionite, who automatically scares away from all Old Testament imagery.
As Perun posted on the Phora Forum:
[COLOR=Indigo]"[B]Christianity has of its nature been a shaper of nations, even nationalisms; Islam has not, being on the contrary quite profoundly anti-national[/B].....Nations are not constructed by Islam but deconstructed. That is a fact of history but it is a fact dependent upon theology. Recognition of it should make it all the clearer that the construction of nations within the Christian world was not something independent of Christianity but, rather, something stimulated by the Christian attitude to both language and the state......Arab 'nationalism', like Turkish or Egyptian 'nationalism', dates only from the twenty years or so before the First World War, a time when the impact of European thinking was at its highest and most uncriticised point in the Middle East. [B]It was essentially a western, Christian-rooted, concept quite foreign to Islam[/B], one closely linked with secularisation - as also with the presence of a considerable native Arab-speaking Christian population, notably in Egypt and Palestine."
--Adrian Hasting, [I]The Construction of Nationhood [/I] pg. 187; 201;202[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Blue][I]"Race is important in Christianity. Need we forget that the foundation myth of the Church is built on the event of Pentecost, where God fully acknowledges the full ethnic and cultural diversity of mankind. Islam does not have this attitude. And Adrian Hastings further explains this as resulting from the different attitudes towards sacred languages of Christianity and Islam. Christianity has no sacred language, hence why it could easily adopt itself to local cultures. And indeed the 1540 Muslim apologetics Anqasa Amin denounces Christianity for this very fact. Islam on the other hand has Arabic as its sacred language and as a result often played the role of Arabising the people that fell under Islam's sway.
This certainly happened in Egypt, where Islam helped sweep away much of the old Egyptian culture and replace it with the culture of the Arabs. It also replaced the traditional Egyptian language with Arabic. Only the Egyptian Christians church, the Copts, preserved the old ways in their cermonies(they still practice mummification of the dead) and in their liturgy(the old language from Pharonic times is recited during services). So just from the Egyptian example we can see the different attitudes towards national traditions of Christianity(which accomodated and often preserved national traditions) and Islam(which sought to replace national traditions with Arab traditions, so as to create a single Muslim culture)."[/I][/COLOR]
[url]http://www.phora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1121&highlight=siddiqui[/url]
[COLOR=Indigo]"[B]Old Testament beliefs in chosen peoples and sacred territories were a continual source of inspiration and language for a dynamic providential history among so many Christian peoples in Europe and America; that it in turn was vital for their growing sense of national identity in the early modern epoch[/B]. The religious aspect, rooted in the Hebrew Bible, appeared therefore to complement and reinforce their sense of common ethnicity.
That in turn had implications for nationalism. As a European ideology and movement, it owed much to biblical and religious motifs and assumptions; in many ways these have been more important than their secular forms and doctrines."
--Anthony D. Smith [I]Chosen Peoples: Sacred Sources of National Identity [/I] pg. viii[/COLOR]
[B][I][COLOR=Blue]In fact it should be noted that it was through Christianity that the very notion of nationalism reached Europe. Steven Grosby noted how nationalism in the ancient world was most heavily developed in Babylon, Egypt, and Biblical Israel while it was at its weakest in Greece. [/COLOR] [/I] [/B]
[url]http://www.phora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9999&page=3&pp=10&highlight=hastings[/url]
Petr
2005-06-11 13:48 | User Profile
Petr has some interesting ideas on this subject. I agree that individual nations all have something unique to teach the world. But the white hot hatred of other nations contained in both Zionism and American Excpetionalism, which directly results in the oppression of other peoples and the bombing and murder of total strangers is not a good form of Nationalism.
Most conservatives these days identify their nation as one whose God given task is to bomb the duskier races back into the stone age. I myself am a racialist, but this hatred of other peoples has nothing to do with my vision for a proper National Community.
2005-06-27 10:32 | User Profile
Somehow this very thread became mentioned at Asia Times Spengler forum,
[url="http://forum.atimes.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66&whichpage=12"]http://forum.atimes.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66&whichpage=12[/url]
2005-06-27 18:03 | User Profile
Yeah Ive read some of this "Spengler" articles. Not very impressed I must say.