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Thread ID: 18233 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2005-05-14
2005-05-14 04:14 | User Profile
[I]All reactions from our President and Congress short of consideration of war with Mexico should be considered outright treason. Any bets?[/I]
[B]Mexico furious at tough US law on migrants[/B]
By John Authers in Mexico City and Edward Alden in Washington Published: May 13 2005 19:27 | Last updated: May 13 2005 19:27 [url]http://news.ft.com/cms/s/bf6dcbe2-c3da-11d9-a56d-00000e2511c8.html[/url]
Mexico has reacted furiously to a bill signed into law by the US this week that would fund a border wall and prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US driving licences.
President Vicente Fox said he would lodge a diplomatic complaint, and was considering complaints to multilateral bodies if Mexico could not unable to resolve the problem bilaterally.
In the US, leaders of the Mexican community threatened to strike to send a message to US employers that they could not survive without cheap Mexican labour.
Santiago Creel, Mexico's interior secretary, said the ââ¬ÅReal IDââ¬Â law was ââ¬Ånegative, inconvenient, and obstructionistââ¬Â.
ââ¬ÅBuilding walls doesn't help anyone build a good neighbourhood,ââ¬Â he said. ââ¬ÅTaking away the possibility of obtaining driving licences for people who are working in legal jobs, who pay their taxes there, who send remittances home here, seems to us to be an extreme measure, particularly given the new understanding that we thought we had after the re-election of President Bush.ââ¬Â
Andrés Manuel López Obrador, mayor of Mexico City, supported Mr Fox's stance. He said the problem of growing immigration could be ââ¬Åresolved by encouraging development in Mexico and Central America, not by building walls and using the border controlââ¬Â.
Since 2002, Mexico has adopted a popular policy of issuing undocumented labourers with consular identity cards, which are accepted as proof of identity by many US states for issuing driving licences, and for opening bank accounts. Under the new law, this would no longer be possible. The immigration provisions approved by Congress were attached by House Republicans to a bill that will provide more than $80bn for the war in Iraq this year, giving lawmakers little choice but to support it.
The White House, which at first opposed the new restrictions, supported them when it became clear they would pass Congress in spite of administration opposition.
President George W. Bush has said he wants to deal with illegal immigration by creating a temporary guest worker programme. But many Republicans are using the anxiety about terrorism to push for a crackdown on illegal immigrants.
2005-05-14 04:20 | User Profile
The response should be kicking a few thousands of wetbacks across the border. Repeat until submission.
2005-05-18 01:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]The response should be kicking a few thousands of wetbacks across the border. Repeat until submission.[/QUOTE]
Along with generous doses of napalm. Then break out the tar and feathers for the ones that have betrayed us.
2005-05-18 02:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]The response should be kicking a few thousands of wetbacks across the border. Repeat until submission.[/QUOTE] How about several million? :thumbsup:
2005-05-18 02:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE]ââ¬ÅBuilding walls doesn't help anyone build a good neighbourhood,ââ¬Â he said.[/QUOTE]
[I]I agree with the old Yankee: "'Good fences make good neighbors'".[/I]
MENDING WALL Robert Frost
Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it, And spills the upper boulders in the sun, And makes gaps even two can pass abreast. The work of hunters is another thing: I have come after them and made repair Where they have left not one stone on a stone, But they would have the rabbit out of hiding, To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean, No one has seen them made or heard them made, But at spring mending-time we find them there. I let my neighbor know beyond the hill; And on a day we meet to walk the line And set the wall between us once again. We keep the wall between us as we go. To each the boulders that have fallen to each. And some are loaves and some so nearly balls We have to use a spell to make them balance: 'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!' We wear our fingers rough with handling them. Oh, just another kind of out-door game, One on a side. It comes to little more: There where it is we do not need the wall: He is all pine and I am apple orchard. My apple trees will never get across And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him. He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'. Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder If I could put a notion in his head: 'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it Where there are cows? But here there are no cows. Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offence. Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him, But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather He said it for himself. I see him there Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed. He moves in darkness as it seems to me~ Not of woods only and the shade of trees. He will not go behind his father's saying, And he likes having thought of it so well He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."
2005-05-18 03:56 | User Profile
Weisbrot,
[QUOTE]Mexico has reacted furiously to a bill signed into law by the US this week that would fund a border wall and prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US driving licences.[/QUOTE] They can go straight to hell.
[QUOTE]President Vicente Fox said he would lodge a diplomatic complaint, and was considering complaints to multilateral bodies if Mexico could not unable to resolve the problem bilaterally.[/QUOTE] File away. I couldn't care less.
[QUOTE]In the US, leaders of the Mexican community threatened to strike to send a message to US employers that they could not survive without cheap Mexican labour.[/QUOTE] Go a head and do it. Make my day. It would be the best thing to happen to America in years.
[QUOTE]Santiago Creel, Mexico's interior secretary, said the ââ¬ÅReal IDââ¬Â law was ââ¬Ånegative, inconvenient, and obstructionistââ¬Â.[/QUOTE] Kind of like having 20 million illegals up here reducing wages, using increasingly rare resources like water, using govt. services, causing crime and trashing up neighborhoods.
[QUOTE]ââ¬ÅBuilding walls doesn't help anyone build a good neighbourhood,ââ¬Â he said. ââ¬ÅTaking away the possibility of obtaining driving licences for people who are working in legal jobs, who pay their taxes there, who send remittances home here, seems to us to be an extreme measure, particularly given the new understanding that we thought we had after the re-election of President Bush.ââ¬Â[/QUOTE] He's right. To hell with a wall. I wonder if the Germans have any of the antipersonel mines and concentina wire left over from the demolition of the Iron Curtain?
[QUOTE]Andrés Manuel López Obrador, mayor of Mexico City, supported Mr Fox's stance. He said the problem of growing immigration could be ââ¬Åresolved by encouraging development in Mexico and Central America, not by building walls and using the border controlââ¬Â.[/QUOTE] In other words give us money or we'll dump our unwanted on your stinkeen country! [QUOTE] Since 2002, Mexico has adopted a popular policy of issuing undocumented labourers with consular identity cards, which are accepted as proof of identity by many US states for issuing driving licences, and for opening bank accounts. Under the new law, this would no longer be possible. The immigration provisions approved by Congress were attached by House Republicans to a bill that will provide more than $80bn for the war in Iraq this year, giving lawmakers little choice but to support it.[/QUOTE] Good.
[QUOTE]The White House, which at first opposed the new restrictions, supported them when it became clear they would pass Congress in spite of administration opposition.[/QUOTE] Yes, they now support it and that what scares me.
[QUOTE]President George W. Bush has said he wants to deal with illegal immigration by creating a temporary guest worker programme. But many Republicans are using the anxiety about terrorism to push for a crackdown on illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] Bush won't say sqaut to Fox. He is too much of a coward and too beholded to Wall Street plutocrats.
To hell with Fox and the traitor Bush.
2005-05-18 05:01 | User Profile
me no pechi epanis onli iglis mi wok jard no eteal mi gringo.
Hummmmmm I don't believe it worked, better pack my bags hahahahahaha.
You know guys, when ever I see two or three ants (and some times more) in my kitchen sink I always try to save them by putting them out but once in a while I see millions of them and I go crazy and flush every single one of them down the sink, I am sorry to say that that's the way that I feel now about the illegals but at the same time I know that it is to danm late to do anything about it.
All joking aside, how would you handle this situation? I am asking because I really (for a change) have no ideas.
2005-05-19 00:45 | User Profile
For the first time in the 132 years history of LA they now have a Latino as a Mayor.
Will the next Governor of Ca. be also a latino?
2005-06-11 03:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]The response should be kicking a few thousands of wetbacks across the border. Repeat until submission.[/QUOTE] If they only want a few thousand--they can be found at Belmont Park Racecourse's Stable area....and they wouldn't even have to try hard!
:dry:
I remember a time (waaaaay back when!) that an INS raid tagged some 600 of 'em. Naturally, they were back in a few days.....
2005-06-11 04:21 | User Profile
FF,
They can probably find a slew of them at Bush's "ranch" too.
2005-06-11 05:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]For the first time in the 132 years history of LA they now have a Latino as a Mayor.
Will the next Governor of Ca. be also a latino?[/QUOTE] If Vincente Fox can become a citizen, he may have a good shot. :shocking:
2005-06-11 09:40 | User Profile
Mexico has reacted furiously to a bill signed into law by the US this week that would fund a border wall and prevent illegal Mexican migrants from obtaining US driving licences. How can Mexico be angry about this?! That's like someone being angry at you because you refuse to leave the door to your house unlocked to make it easier for them to burglarize you. :wacko:
Screw 'em.
2005-06-11 15:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]If Vincente Fox can become a citizen, he may have a good shot. :shocking:[/QUOTE]
I'd rather have the guy from England who kicked the US senates butts all over the place.
2005-06-13 03:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]If Vincente Fox can become a citizen, he may have a good shot. :shocking:[/QUOTE] The way things seem to be going in California, he may not even need to be a citizen! :sad:
2005-06-13 07:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]How can Mexico be angry about this?! That's like someone being angry at you because you refuse to leave the door to your house unlocked to make it easier for them to burglarize you. :wacko: [/QUOTE]Its more like someone has left the door unlocked for 6 months while they went away, and comes home to find squatters have moved in. They start to think of the place as their own.
2005-06-14 02:04 | User Profile
Hell the Mexican government teaches it's people that the US stole California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc. from them. So therefore they have a right to it. I say it's time to screw the locks and just get the shot guns to clean house.
2005-06-14 02:58 | User Profile
Aztlan. Like it ever existed. If it did, they would be running over the border still, because it would be no better than Mexico in the first place. Mexico is plenty big enough and arable for them all. This b-s about them wanting the low paying labor jobs is just that. B-S. They're too incompetent and hot headed and nearsighted to be able to build their own country. Heck, they all speak a Mexican form of Spanish. That's a common toungue. Excuse numbers one and two down the drain. As long as the USA keeps kissing thie butts, the bottom line is that it's to their advantage to work here, send money back, or stay here, get on welfare, play the multiple identity game, whatever.. End all government entitlement programs right now I say. They weren't there for our ancestors. They attract the lazy and the weak.
2005-06-15 04:36 | User Profile
Well put. (hey blue, you need to clear out some messages mine keep getting bounced back).
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]Aztlan. Like it ever existed. If it did, they would be running over the border still, because it would be no better than Mexico in the first place. Mexico is plenty big enough and arable for them all. This b-s about them wanting the low paying labor jobs is just that. B-S. They're too incompetent and hot headed and nearsighted to be able to build their own country. Heck, they all speak a Mexican form of Spanish. That's a common toungue. Excuse numbers one and two down the drain. As long as the USA keeps kissing thie butts, the bottom line is that it's to their advantage to work here, send money back, or stay here, get on welfare, play the multiple identity game, whatever.. End all government entitlement programs right now I say. They weren't there for our ancestors. They attract the lazy and the weak.[/QUOTE]
2005-06-21 15:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=formerfreeper]The way things seem to be going in California, he may not even need to be a citizen! :sad:[/QUOTE]
There is no reason why Fox could not hold dual citizenship. If Arnold can become Governor I don't see what is keeping Vincente from following the same path. Of course, then Vincente would in effect hand the State of California to Mexico via the vote of the illegal Mexicans here.
I am beginning to suspect there are forces in our Government who would not oppose returning parts of the Southwest to Mexico.
This will be interesting, especially if the retarded Jorge Bush stays in power.
My guts are telling me there is a lot of corruption going on across the border which some of our leadership is a part of.
2005-06-24 01:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ron]There is no reason why Fox could not hold dual citizenship. If Arnold can become Governor I don't see what is keeping Vincente from following the same path. Of course, then Vincente would in effect hand the State of California to Mexico via the vote of the illegal Mexicans here. I am beginning to suspect there are forces in our Government who would not oppose returning parts of the Southwest to Mexico. This will be interesting, especially if the retarded Jorge Bush stays in power. My guts are telling me there is a lot of corruption going on across the border which some of our leadership is a part of.[/QUOTE] Good point. It always comes back to me that we USED to make naturilized citizens renounce their former citizenship. The present system makes me think that Citizenship and loyalty to one's new country should be paramount---but it isn't.
When my mother came here she busted her butt to become an American in every sense of the word. She learned English and practised until it was absolutely flawless. She had no problem renouncing her old citizenship (Germany) When she raised her right hand--it was FOR REAL. No half-way dual citizen crap.
BTW, Mom (died a few years ago) was Jewish (she became a Catholic later). Another Jewish woman asked her soon before she died what he thought of Pollard's life sentence. Mom replied (deadpan) that she thought the sentence to be "improper in all respects" The woman nodded agreement and said that Pollard should be released immediately. Mom agreed, saying he should be released immediately after HE'D BEEN SHOT.
The other gal nearly died.
2005-06-24 05:00 | User Profile
I think Mexicans should take pride in their country and stay there, not leach off of ours. Anybody who border hops has shown a tremendous amount of lack of pride and duty to the country which they were origianlly from.