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Thread ID: 18232 | Posts: 26 | Started: 2005-05-14
2005-05-14 03:16 | User Profile
Took my basict training and jump school at Ft. Benning and now they are going to closed it down.
Surprised they didn't also close down Ft Bragg, the training was hard with the SF but I'll miss Disneyland the most because it was there that I meet a Col. from Chile who gave me a contract to go there after my second tour of duty was over.
Those of you who have been there problably know of me because I was the one, with the help of two more guys, who took the place of the "flying dummy" hahahahahahahahaahah. The Sgt in the plane almost fainted when I raised my hand and he saw that the dummy was alive.
Anyway, does it make sense to you that we are closing down US bases in the US and yet we are building more bases worldwide? including a big one in the Zionist state of Israel...... could the plan be to leave the Middle East by next year and turn the base over to the Zionists? I should say "bases" because there are two more smaller one at this time.
Where will we send our future recruits to be trained? to Ft Leonerwood Mo? is big but not as big as Ft Benning and it dosen't have jump training.
The only thing that I can think is that we won't have troops in the US but will be protected by our nuclear weapons.
I don't know guys, my head hurts and I think that I'll jump in my jacuzzy for a while.
2005-05-14 03:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Took my basict training and jump school at Ft. Benning and now they are going to closed it down.
Surprised they didn't also close down Ft Bragg, the training was hard with the SF but I'll miss Disneyland the most because it was there that I meet a Col. from Chile who gave me a contract to go there after my second tour of duty was over.
Those of you who have been there problably know of me because I was the one, with the help of two more guys, who took the place of the "flying dummy" hahahahahahahahaahah. The Sgt in the plane almost fainted when I raised my hand and he saw that the dummy was alive.
Anyway, does it make sense to you that we are closing down US bases in the US and yet we are building more bases worldwide? including a big one in the Zionist state of Israel...... could the plan be to leave the Middle East by next year and turn the base over to the Zionists? I should say "bases" because there are two more smaller one at this time.
Where will we send our future recruits to be trained? to Ft Leonerwood Mo? is big but not as big as Ft Benning and it dosen't have jump training.
The only thing that I can think is that we won't have troops in the US but will be protected by our nuclear weapons.
I don't know guys, my head hurts and I think that I'll jump in my jacuzzy for a while.[/QUOTE]
Aye, cabeza de alfiler!
[URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113303#post113303]Once again[/URL]- Benning is on the BRAAC list because it is GAINING personnel, not being closed. 90% of the additional 9,800 personnel is military, which should be enough to make you stop crying in your Cristal for maybe a few moments.
What's a School of the America's grad doing getting all weepy anyway?
See your tear-stopper below:
[url]http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0513/4485524.pdf[/url]
2005-05-14 04:02 | User Profile
They should close them all down really... Though I did my basic training at Benning and then off to Ft Bragg too.
2005-05-14 04:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=folkandfaith]They should close them all down really... Though I did my basic training at Benning and then off to Ft Bragg too.[/QUOTE]
Why?
2005-05-14 04:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Why?[/QUOTE]
Hahahahahaha chico, que comico.
To learn how to protect the US from foreign invaders?
What's really funny is that we are the ones who are always invading someone in the name of liberty and freedom.
"De Oppresso Liber"???????? what a joke, and the joke was on me.
Where I was blind now I can see.
2005-05-14 14:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Anyway, does it make sense to you that we are closing down US bases in the US and yet we are building more bases worldwide? including a big one in the Zionist state of Israel...... could the plan be to leave the Middle East by next year and turn the base over to the Zionists? I should say "bases" because there are two more smaller one at this time.[/QUOTE] Oddly enough, you make a good point here. The Pentagon proposes a slew of base closings here in the US, but says nothing about the massive US military presence in dozens of foreign countries. Just goes to show where the power elite's priorities really lie.
2005-05-14 15:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]Oddly enough, you make a good point here. The Pentagon proposes a slew of base closings here in the US, but says nothing about the massive US military presence in dozens of foreign countries. Just goes to show where the power elite's priorities really lie.[/QUOTE]
"Oddly enough"??????/ gee thanks, as the old saying goes " If you listen to an idiot soon or later he will tell you something that makes sense".
2005-05-14 16:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Hahahahahaha chico, que comico.
To learn how to protect the US from foreign invaders?
What's really funny is that we are the ones who are always invading someone in the name of liberty and freedom.
"De Oppresso Liber"???????? what a joke, and the joke was on me.
Where I was blind now I can see.[/QUOTE]
Should have specified- my question was in response to this:
[QUOTE]They should close them all down really...[/QUOTE]
I agree that the Pentagon's actions show that their focus is not on Constitutionally mandated national defense. The zealots and plutocrats that control our military are focused entirely on completing the process of world empire.
It usually ends quite badly.
2005-05-14 19:14 | User Profile
I just got out my jacuzzy where I was thinking about the closing of the bases in the US and the opening of new ones , all over the place, overseas.
To many overseas bases for to few American soldiers.
The US Army are also training many more Special Forces soldiers that as you know are used to train foreign soldiers.
And also about the draft in the US and I have come to the conclusion that we are going to do is to train foreign fighters in order for them to do the dirty work for us the same way that we are doing the dirty work for the Zionists.
As you know this is being done at this time in Afka. and Iraq and the Jews are doing the same in Northern Iraq.
Also the US have around 1,200 US troops in Colombia and about 700 Mercs, do you wonder why? A coming war by proxy?
No wonder Venezuela is ordering more weapons and getting ready for an invasion.
2005-05-15 03:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Why?[/QUOTE]Why did I do basic and jump school training there? I guess because that's where Uncle Scam decided it would be a good place for Joe's to sweat their butt off, get sawdust stuffed in every place imaginable and then some, and that the dung beetles in Benning would also provide some more "good training" for young Joes.
If you mean why should we be happy with the closure of military bases.. My reasoning would go something like this:
It is taxpayers money that is being used to fund these places of imperialist and future soldiers of Zion's training. I was never asked if I wanted my taxed dollars to go towards buying Joe a new gun to go shoot someone I never met nor had a problem with before the advent of some gungho chicken-hawk into office. (ever see Goodwill Hunting ?)
The US is a huge "military industrial complex" that uses these middle and poorer class folks with little job prosperities in life to go and fight THEIR wars, not those of the middle or poorer classes in the US.
This war, like most others, is illegal and is fought for without consent from those that once again foot the bill for it. Why should we have to pay for something that we don't get any say over how it is to be used?
When was the last time congress "democratically" asked the citizens of this country, after showing them all the facts that were available, if they wanted to go and fight a war against another nation (who probably were not asked if they wanted to go fight one either) ?
So again, why should we pay to keep all these bases open when we are not using them. Let those that want a huge standing army and are in favour of this and or other wars and A) go and fight the wars themselves and B) pay for the military and its equipment that will be used to fight the war
Standing Armies are not neccesarilly a good thing and further more, they are not OUR army even if it were a good idea.
They are the shock-troops and stormtroopers of the NWO, much as many of the individuals themselves are great guys, this still does not make them anymore legitimate.
What is even more odd though is that we are closing "bases" up here, and from what I have read, establishing them in other countries.
So, the question rather becomes "Why should we pay to keep these bases all open?"
2005-05-15 03:58 | User Profile
Mare Island. Treasure Island. Charleston. I have fond memories of all these places, and they've all gone away, and now Groton is going, too. Well, the taxpayers aren't obliged to pay to keep my memories alive.
2005-05-16 01:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=folkandfaith] If you mean why should we be happy with the closure of military bases.. My reasoning would go something like this:
It is taxpayers money that is being used to fund these places of imperialist and future soldiers of Zion's training. I was never asked if I wanted my taxed dollars to go towards buying Joe a new gun to go shoot someone I never met nor had a problem with before the advent of some gungho chicken-hawk into office. (ever see Goodwill Hunting ?)
The US is a huge "military industrial complex" that uses these middle and poorer class folks with little job prosperities in life to go and fight THEIR wars, not those of the middle or poorer classes in the US.
This war, like most others, is illegal and is fought for without consent from those that once again foot the bill for it. Why should we have to pay for something that we don't get any say over how it is to be used?
When was the last time congress "democratically" asked the citizens of this country, after showing them all the facts that were available, if they wanted to go and fight a war against another nation (who probably were not asked if they wanted to go fight one either) ?
So again, why should we pay to keep all these bases open when we are not using them. Let those that want a huge standing army and are in favour of this and or other wars and A) go and fight the wars themselves and B) pay for the military and its equipment that will be used to fight the war
Standing Armies are not neccesarilly a good thing and further more, they are not OUR army even if it were a good idea.
They are the shock-troops and stormtroopers of the NWO, much as many of the individuals themselves are great guys, this still does not make them anymore legitimate.
What is even more odd though is that we are closing "bases" up here, and from what I have read, establishing them in other countries.
So, the question rather becomes "Why should we pay to keep these bases all open?"[/QUOTE]
Actually, your original statement was that we should shut down [B]all[/B] bases. I agree that it is odd, or at least wrong, that we're establishing bases in other countries where they don't belong. But there is nothing inherently wrong with a standing army, and nothing wrong with the U.S. using tax dollars to maintain a strong, well-trained military force that can provide defense and destroy enemies when they have proven to be a threat to the nation or have directly harmed the nation.
Many of the current targets are somewhat puzzling. Why shut down
FORSCOM and USARC at McPherson, for instance? Many other proposed
shutdowns target Guard and Reserve posts; the better to throw reservists
into the imperialist scrum in the Middle East, or maybe to put the reserves
into a more centralized (less state/local) command situation.
But it would be the height of insanity to shut all military bases down. I fully agree with Washington's farewell; we should maintain a strong army, remain friendly with trading partners, and be beholden to no nation.
2005-05-16 02:28 | User Profile
You say [B]"nothing wrong with the US using tax dollars to maintain a strong, well-trained military force that can provide defense and destroy enemiew when they have proven to be a threat to the nation or have directly harmed the nation"[/B]
Well amigo please tell me how the people from Afga. or Iraq have "proven to be a threat" or "have directly harmed the nation"........the Zionists of Israel with their Jewish lobby, their spys, 9/11, the US Liberty and a hell of lot more have in more ways than one "have shown to be athreat" and "have directly harmed the nation".
2005-05-16 04:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]
Well amigo please tell me how the people from Afga. or Iraq have "proven to be a threat" or "have directly harmed the nation"...[/QUOTE]
Pancho, gaze deeply into the remains of your sangria and see if it shows you where I made any such claims. Feel free to sacrifice a rooster or two if no answers are to be found.
2005-05-16 05:37 | User Profile
Well mano if you are not referring to the Arabs when you say "the enemy" and "those who are a threat" then who are you talking about? after all we have invaded their land and have now been killing them for a while and we sure as hell are not fighting the Israelis, yet.
You must remember that the US have been creating the situations and the "evidence" in order to attack different countrys like Vietnam, Afga, Iraq and now maybe Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Cuba, Venezuela and a few more.
So you tell me, who were you referirng to when you wrote that?
2005-05-16 06:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Well mano if you are not referring to the Arabs when you say "the enemy" and "those who are a threat" then who are you talking about? after all we have invaded their land and have now been killing them for a while and we sure as hell are not fighting the Israelis, yet.
You must remember that the US have been creating the situations and the "evidence" in order to attack different countrys like Vietnam, Afga, Iraq and now maybe Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Cuba, Venezuela and a few more.
So you tell me, who were you referirng to when you wrote that?[/QUOTE]
I was referring to enemies which may prove to be a threat to the nation or have directly harmed the nation. A few more hits off the RonRico, maybe you'll be able to read that as referring to "Afga", Iraq or the others on your list.
Ven aca, borracho. I support a strong military, not the misuse of that military. Cachai?
2005-05-16 17:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Took my basict training and jump school at Ft. Benning and now they are going to closed it down.[/QUOTE]God my head is spinning remembering when I was at Benning. Almost as bad as Vietnam.
2005-05-16 18:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]I was referring to enemies which may prove to be a threat to the nation or have directly harmed the nation. A few more hits off the RonRico, maybe you'll be able to read that as referring to "Afga", Iraq or the others on your list.
Ven aca, borracho. I support a strong military, not the misuse of that military. Cachai?[/QUOTE]
Well my dear rum drinking friend...... so please tell me, what have the Afgis or the Iraquis done to the US that deserve for us to go into their land ans start killing their civilian population and inpose our way of "freedom"?.....a freedom that even we don't have here now days.
I don't believe that neither one of them have ever harmed or have been a danger to the US.
If anything a few of those in my list "might" be a danger to the Zionist state of Israel but not to anyone else, if Iran have any types of nuclear devices I know that they would never use them against the US.
2005-05-16 21:18 | User Profile
=== does it make sense to you that we are closing down US bases in the US and yet we are building more bases worldwide?
I'm glad to see someone else ask this question.
(In a way ... I too was stationed for a time at "Ma Benning's School for Boys" ... though I wasn't actually born until my Dad had been assigned to Ft. Sam.)
2005-05-17 00:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Well my dear rum drinking friend...... so please tell me, what have the Afgis or the Iraquis done to the US that deserve for us to go into their land ans start killing their civilian population and inpose our way of "freedom"?.....a freedom that even we don't have here now days.
I don't believe that neither one of them have ever harmed or have been a danger to the US.
If anything a few of those in my list "might" be a danger to the Zionist state of Israel but not to anyone else, if Iran have any types of nuclear devices I know that they would never use them against the US.[/QUOTE]
Shades of FWI.
Where did you claim to earn your medals...?
2005-05-17 04:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]The US Army are also training many more Special Forces soldiers that as you know are used to train foreign soldiers.[/QUOTE]Uncle Scam is paying $150,000 re-enlistment bonus to SF.
2005-05-20 02:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]Oddly enough, you make a good point here. The Pentagon proposes a slew of base closings here in the US, but says nothing about the massive US military presence in dozens of foreign countries. Just goes to show where the power elite's priorities really lie.[/QUOTE] Read more news. Like him or not, Rummy is pulling folks out of Korea, and has finally (at long bloody last) started another round of pulling folks out of Germany. They need not fear the Russkies anymore, after only 50 stinking years.
Down side: building bases/dong that lease thing in Eastern Europe. Bah. Basing in lots of those Farbakistans. Yay, got outta Saudi, got out of Oman, boo building up in Qatar. Kuwait . . . have to keep open until that crap in Iraq is over. (yes, hot topic, no small thing.) Logistics is a harsh mistress.
Or do you want to raise taxes to keep our bases open here at home? Not my idea of a good plan, but views will differ. :cool:
2005-05-20 02:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Well my dear rum drinking friend...... so please tell me, what have the Afgis or the Iraquis done to the US that deserve for us to go into their land ans start killing their civilian population and inpose our way of "freedom"?.....a freedom that even we don't have here now days.
I don't believe that neither one of them have ever harmed or have been a danger to the US.
If anything a few of those in my list "might" be a danger to the Zionist state of Israel but not to anyone else, if Iran have any types of nuclear devices I know that they would never use them against the US.[/QUOTE] Iraq question is well asked. Better men than you and I have asked it.
Afghanistan was revenge for them hosting the Al Qaeda folks, who so far are winning the race for who really did the WTC. May I suggest you check out a few reports on what the 22d MEU(SOC) did last summer? I offer that since I fear you speak from ignorance about what is actually going on "on the ground" in Afghanistan.
When do we leave, and finally leave them alone? Another question that is well worth asking, and keeping in the spotlight.
There are bound to be plenty of folks in Afghanistan who feel along these lines: "Ye be foreigners, get thine buttocks home."
2005-05-20 16:05 | User Profile
[quote=Angeleyes]When do we leave, and finally leave them alone? Another question that is well worth asking, and keeping in the spotlight.
There are bound to be plenty of folks in Afghanistan who feel along these lines: "Ye be foreigners, get thine buttocks home."
Howdy Angeleyes,
The Brits were there for what, 80 years? The Sovs tired of playing hide-and-go-seek with the muj in ten or so. We've been in there for less than four, though of course our presence is much less, numerically, than either previous example. However, it sounds like the Mayor of Kabul is getting restless and beginning to utter variations on your last sentence. How long he lasts after the last U.S. unit departs is anyone's guess. At any rate, once Uncle Sammy has left, the tribes can go back to that favorite pastime of farming opium and killing each other.
Like your perspective, by the way.
2005-05-20 18:17 | User Profile
The way that I am looking at the whole picture is what whould happen if the US decides to "liberate" Cuba in the name of "freedom" and how many of my people would die.
As far as I can see the US will be staying in Iraq and Afga. for a veryyyyy long time like we are doing in Germany, Japan, Okinawa and so on.
The lease of the American base in Guantamo, where the Americans are at now, was over in 1998 and the US decided to tell Castro to shove it and that the were staying there because they wanted to do so.
The US cannot not start another invasion anywhere sinse we don't have the troops to do so therefore they will use mercs from other countrys, mark my word.
By the way, the Jews have 6,000 of their people in Northern Iraq with the Kurds, I wonder why.....and it so happen that that's the way their oil pipe line is running going towars the state of Israel.
2005-05-22 04:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]The way that I am looking at the whole picture is what whould happen if the US decides to "liberate" Cuba in the name of "freedom" and how many of my people would die.
As far as I can see the US will be staying in Iraq and Afga. for a veryyyyy long time like we are doing in Germany, Japan, Okinawa and so on.
The lease of the American base in Guantamo, where the Americans are at now, was over in 1998 and the US decided to tell Castro to shove it and that the were staying there because they wanted to do so.
The US cannot not start another invasion anywhere sinse we don't have the troops to do so therefore they will use mercs from other countrys, mark my word.
By the way, the Jews have 6,000 of their people in Northern Iraq with the Kurds, I wonder why.....and it so happen that that's the way their oil pipe line is running going towars the state of Israel.[/QUOTE] 1. Northern Iraq oil, Mosul fields etc, were a prime reason for Brits to keep an interest in Mid East at the end of WW I. Balfour, anyone?
Our NATO allies the Turks lost billions per year for the first six years of the 1991 "UN embargo" on Iraq: their ryoalties on the pipeline through Turkey dried up. (I stopped keeping track after about 98.) The inflation in Turkey was horrific in the 90's, not sure where it is now.
Since about '95, Israel has been wooing the Turks on multi national exercises and security agreements. Been a couple of years since I last checked. Bet they are still at it.
The 6000 Israelis you mention in Kurdland fits as a piece of that same puzzle. I wonder if it is a deal with the Turks and their old pipeline to pump to Israel, or something else.
Worth a look next week when I am checking into NATO stuff.