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Thread ID: 18132 | Posts: 6 | Started: 2005-05-07
2005-05-07 08:57 | User Profile
By Matthew Schofield, Knight Ridder Newspapers Fri May 6
BERLIN - When Soviet soldiers arrived in Berlin at the end of World War II, Gertraud Tietz smeared dirt on her face and hid in a musty wardrobe in the basement of a bombed-out building. She stayed there for weeks.
The 19-year-old had seen and heard enough of the rapes - 12 of her friends were victims - to take any chances, so she made herself look as dirty, as diseased, as invisible as possible.
"The first thing they'd do was demand watches," she recalled. "They stole everything. Then they started taking the women away. It started slowly, but got worse. Every night, the cries were coming from all directions."
For 50 years after living through those horrific days, Tietz, now 79, couldn't bring herself to talk about the experience. It took another 10 years before people wanted to listen. Why?
"Well, when the Soviets got close to Berlin, we knew the revenge would be something terrible," she said. "And afterwards, we figured we'd deserved it. We were Nazis, after all."
Sixty years ago this weekend, World War II ended in Berlin, more than a week after Adolf Hitler popped a cyanide pill and shot himself in a bunker beneath the heart of this city. But while in North America the war may appear to be fading into history books and movies, in Europe, and especially in Germany, it remains a force in political and daily life.
Neo-Nazi groups have consistently spoken of their suffering during the war, but it wasn't until two years ago that prominent German historian Joerg Friedrich published "The Fire: Germany Under Bombardment," questioning the morality of the fire bombing of Dresden and other Allied bombing campaigns against German cities. Since then, the idea that Germans also suffered has become grist for mainstream discussion.
"It is important we discuss such things," he said. "It is important that we do not ignore human suffering on such a large scale."
It's a notion many find troublesome.
"If you only looked at TV these days, you'd think the Nazis were the real victims of this war," said German historian Wolfgang Wippermann, who noted that his mother had been raped at the end of the war. "But Nazis were not victims. They were perpetrators."
While it's a new trend, self-pity hasn't been the mainstream German reaction.
"The Germans are obsessed, still, with reliving the war," said William Paterson, a British historian and chairman of the German-British Forum, an advisory group dedicated to improving relations between the countries. "There is no way to make good on their past, but they don't stop trying. No one could dispute that."
After the war's end, Germans paid $50 billion in war reparations ($14 billion to the Soviet Union) and more than $40 billion to Holocaust survivors. They've made a point of apologizing repeatedly for the past, and since 1965, made frequent trips pledging atonement to Israel. A year ago, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder became the first German leader invited to D-Day celebrations, where he noted: "We Germans know we unleashed this heinous war."
Paterson says the Germans have successfully transformed themselves.
"From my perspective as an Englishman, goal one is to see that Germany develops so that it's clear the past won't be repeated," he said. "There is no reason to lose sleep on that count."
Sofia Lichtmacher, 78, arrived in Germany for the first time as part of the Soviet invading force.
"Look, they were horrible, there is no denying that," she said. "But there's no denying this is a different country than the one we invaded 60 years ago."
Still, Sunday afternoon, more than 3,000 neo-Nazis are expected to march down Unter den Linden, through the heart of the capital, calling for what their National Democratic Party terms "an end to the cult of guilt that exists because of 60 years of lies."
But many times that number are expected to be present to protest against the neo-Nazis. And even in a neo-Nazi march, there are signs of Germany's commitment to never repeat its past. It's against the law for neo-Nazis to identify themselves as Nazis, use anti-Semitic language, display swastikas or give the stiff-armed Nazi salute.
Officials also note that there will be more than a dozen events highlighting Germany's criminal past during the weekend.
Even so, Germany's suffering is also now on the agenda.
German historian Hubertus Knabe addressed what many see as a fine line between talking about German suffering and saying that it excuses, explains or forgives German actions.
Writing in Die Welt, he said, "In the West, the soldiers passed out chocolate. In the East, they raped about 2 million women and randomly shot tens of thousands of civilians. More than 3 million prisoners of war and civilians were taken to Soviet labor camps where one in three died. Others starved to death in the now Soviet-run former concentration camps, and 2.5 million people died in the Red Army-occupied part of Germany.
"To remember them is not an attempt to turn perpetrators into victims."
And so, Tietz now talks about life in Berlin under siege in a way that was never possible before.
"It was such a beautiful city," she says, recalling the years before the war. "So much was destroyed that will never come back."
She lived on what's now Karl Marx Avenue, about two miles from Hitler's bunker and the center of the Nazi regime. After the war, in the Soviet sector of Berlin, she helped rebuild the road she used to call home.
Hans-Juergen Habenicht was a 16-year-old Hitler Youth leader in 1945 and - surrounded by Nazi culture - believed in Hitler and the war.
"We were all victims of that madman," Habenicht said. "But that doesn't excuse the crimes of our country."
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2005-05-07 10:42 | User Profile
And even in a neo-Nazi march, there are signs of Germany's commitment to never repeat its past. It's against the law for neo-Nazis to identify themselves as Nazis, use anti-Semitic language, display swastikas or give the stiff-armed Nazi salute. I'm no Nazi, but such laws are every bit as tyrannical as anything Hitler ever did. They cry out for utter rebellion.
2005-05-07 13:16 | User Profile
Laws put in place by the Jews and not the German people.
And they gave 40 billions for 3/4 of a million dead Jews? and that was only by the Germans........ I wonder how much money those people have recieved from 1945 to date for the so called "holocaust", any one knows?
Man oh man, I sure wish I had a business like those people have with the so called holocaust.
2005-05-07 21:40 | User Profile
Germany opened celebrations across Europe to mark the 60th anniversary of the end of Nazi Germany. On Sunday, commemorations in Berlin include reflective speeches as well as an uncomfortable march by neo-Nazis.
Germany opened a "festival of democracy" Saturday to mark 60 years of the end of the Second World War as celebrations continued throughout the continent this weekend.
The festival of democracy includes pop concerts and a 30-kilometer (18-mile) chain of candles.
At the Brandenburg gate, a giant screen is to be erected to show the retransmission of an interfaith church service and speeches Sunday, May 8 by President Horst Köhler and Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, who is then to fly to Moscow to attend official ceremonies on Monday marking the end of the war in Europe.
A colorful alliance of churches, leftist radicals, sports stars, celebrity chefs and national politicians will take part in events during the day on May 8.
The two chambers of Germanyââ¬â¢s parliament, the Bundestag and the Bundesrat, will hold a joint ceremony of remembrance for all victims of war and tyranny on May 8.
German President Köhler (photo) is to address the German Bundestag and will lead a solemn memorial ceremony at Berlin's Reichstag parliament building expressing the country's enduring shame for the Nazi horrors. The speech is at at 3 p.m. CEST (Central European Summer Time or UTC/GMT + 1 hour). DW-TV will broadcast the event live from Berlin.
On Tuesday, a monument to the Holocaust, with 2,711 anthracite gray steles representing the genocide of the Jews, will be inaugurated near the Brandenburg Gate.
Neo-Nazis risk embarrassing Berlin event
But, the occasion risks being blighted by a planned neo-Nazi march in the capital and possible counter-actions by extreme leftists.
Supporters of the neo-Nazi NPD party planned to march Sunday near the Brandenburg Gate. The far-right NPD says it will muster 3,000 demonstrators demanding what it calls "an end to the cult of guilt" after "60 years of lies". However on Friday, Germany's Constitutional Court reaffirmed a ban on neo-Nazi demonstrations near the Holocaust Memorial which is to be officially unveiled next week.
The NPD will instead be allowed to march from Berlin's Alexanderplatz in the east of the city to a train station a few blocks from the Brandenburg Gate. Their path will take them past a memorial for victims of the war, but only after politicians lay wreaths at the monument.
Demos to counter neo-Nazis
Berlin mayor Klaus Wowereit urged young people to assemble in a show of democracy against the right-wing extremists. "We must remain vigilant," the social-democrat mayor said, calling for the defense of democracy "with democratic means."
But extreme left factions called on their supporters to take to the streets to oppose the neo-Nazis, who denounced "the lie of liberation," and police were prepared for clashes between the two groups.
To ensure things don't get out of hand, 6,000 police officers will be present. The city's interior secretary said that they will guarantee both the right of neo-Nazis to march peacefully, and the right of others to protest the march.
Interior minister Otto Schily urged the Germans to show proof of "civic courage" in opposing the neo-Nazis, and said he found it encouraging that so many young people were rising in opposition to the extremists.
One of the leaders of the ruling Social Democrats, Ottmar Schreiner, said that all school pupils should obligatorily be made to visit a concentration camp. Speaking from the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp complex in Poland in an interview with the daily Bild, he said "here one feels a profound sense of shame."
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2005-05-07 21:47 | User Profile
Aren't neo-Nazis banned in Germany? Or do they call everyone a little bit to the right "neo-Nazi"?
2005-05-07 23:12 | User Profile
Madrusian, any one who does not kneel down to the Jews is a neo-Nazi and a anti-Semite.