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Unlimited immigration from China

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Stuka [OP]

2005-05-07 00:56 | User Profile

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Investor's Business Daily[/font][/color][/color][/size][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] *You Will Have To Prove Identity To Get A Driver's License Soon* Thursday May 5, [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]7:00 pm ET[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] Brian Mitchell [/font][/color][/color][/font]

[size=2][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]You won't have to prove you can parallel park to renew your driver's license, but you may have to prove who you are and whether you're in the [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]U.S.[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] legally. [/font][/color][/color][/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]The House on Thursday passed the final version of a $82 billion Iraq-Afghanistan spending bill after Senate leaders agreed Tuesday to accept provisions of the House-sponsored Real ID Act in exchange for expanded legal immigration. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]It was a big win for House leaders, who failed to get the Senate to tighten up on driver's licenses in last year's intelligence reform bill. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]"Issuing driver's licenses to anyone, without knowing whether they're here legally or who they really are, is an open invitation for terrorists and criminals to hide in plain sight," said House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., at a Wednesday press conference. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]"What the bill does is, it says that the states are perfectly free to issue driver's licenses to whomever they want to, but if those driver's licenses are to be used for federal ID purposes, then they have to meet certain standards," he said. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Driver's licenses are used to verify identity in a wide variety of situations. Congress has decided you need to prove who you are to get this de facto ID card. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]The bill doesn't explain how to prove your identity, leaving that task to the Homeland Security Department. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]States could continue to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants -- 10 do -- but they would have different designs or colors. They could not be used to board planes or enter federal buildings. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[size=2][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]The bill also waives environmental rules to speed completion of a border fence in [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]California[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman], tightens requirements for asylum and visas, and funds hiring of 1,000 border patrol and immigration agents. [/font][/color][/color][/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Critics blasted the bill as anti-immigrant. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[size=2][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]"It's not going to make [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]America[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] any safer," said Katherine Culliton, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. "And it's going to decrease access to driver's licenses and identification documents to immigrants, including legal immigrants." [/font][/color][/color][/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators objected to the unfunded mandate. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]"It's federal legislation with -- as far as we can tell -- no federal funding attached to it," said AAMVA spokesman Jason King. "And it's too prescriptive and doesn't consult the states, who are the experts in driver's licensing." [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Peter Gadiel, president of 9/11 Families for a Secure America, welcomed the bill but said much more is needed. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[size=2][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]"It's a first step, but what we need is for the president to go after employers, that is to say prosecute employers, of illegal aliens," said Gadiel, whose son died in the [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]World[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Trade[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Center[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]. [/font][/color][/color][/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Other immigration foes were pleased with the House provisions but dismayed by Senate add-ons. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., added a measure to waive for two years the 66,000-a-year cap on H-2B visas for low-skill seasonal workers. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., inserted a line to give 10,500 visas to Australian guest workers in high-skill jobs. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, added a provision to provide permanent residence for 50,000 foreign nurses and physical therapists. Drafting errors have left that provision in doubt. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[size=2][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., added a measure to allow unlimited immigration from [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]China[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]. Current law limits asylum claims from [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]China[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]'s one-child policy to 1,000. [/font][/color][/color][/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Dan Stein, president of Federation for American Immigration Reform, called that change "outrageous," saying the cap exists because of "deep suspicion" of fraud. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]But Sensenbrenner said he "fully supported the lifting of some asylum caps, because we get rid of asylum fraud" with stricter requirements for proof of asylum claims. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]The bill also makes membership in a terror group sufficient grounds for being denied an entry visa. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=2][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]But tightening up on licenses gave the Real ID Act its name. [/font][/color][/color][/size][/font]

[size=2][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]All but one of the 9-11 hijackers used driver's licenses to board the planes. Leader Mohammed Atta's [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]Florida[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] license was good for six years, even though he was in the [/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman]U.S.[/font][/color][/color][/font][font=Times New Roman][color=black][color=windowtext][font=Times New Roman] on a six-month visa. Under the new law, driver's licenses and visas will expire at the same time. [/font][/color][/color][/font][/size]


JoseyWales

2005-05-07 13:00 | User Profile

yep, i read that too. i posted this over in the immigration forum a while back. im sure there will be neocons out there that will point and say "hey! this will help curb illegal immigration! how can you oppose this, what are you a liberal ?!"

its truly sad isnt it ?


RowdyRoddyPiper

2005-05-07 13:16 | User Profile

Many Asian nations have extremely tight immigration policies, mostly (in the case of East Asian nations) to keep out their poorer South-Asian and South-East Asian neighbours. However, these restrictions obviously apply to Westerners too. In Thailand for example, it is illegal for foreigners to own land, even small beachside bungaloes. When compared to liberal Western immigration policies, there is an obvious double-standard.

I think that appealing to the notion of reciprocity would be a good way to get through to pro-immigration people because it appeals to people's notions of fairness and equality without appearing "racist" or "xenophobic".

Perhaps it would be a good idea to compile a list of anti-immigration laws in Asia that discriminate against Westerners and juxtapose them with liberal Western immigration laws in a point/counterpoint fashion. It would be a useful resource to point to during arguments with immigration advocates.

I might do a bit of research over the next week or so and post whatever I find to this thread.


RowdyRoddyPiper

2005-05-07 13:34 | User Profile

Just had another idea. A bit silly maybe, but I'm just thinking out loud.

What if someone made a short documentary about the difficulty an average white blue-collared American guy would have emigrating to (as opposed to holidaying in) most countries around the world. Do it in a Michael Moore-style "from the little guy's" perspective and show him applying (and being rejected) for citizenship in several countries around the world (India, Japan, China etc). Try and get some embassey official on camera saying something "hateful" like "you're not the type of person we want in our country".

Be careful to demonise the governments of these countries, NOT the people, and NOT immigrants from those countries or you will lose the audience because their "oh-that's-racist" alarm bells will go off. Sprinkle lavishly with provocative statistics about third-world immigration into the western world along the lines of "x thousand immigrants come to our country from country y, but only z migrants go in the other direction, and they won't even let poor old Mikey here into their country".

Call it something that tugs at the heart-strings like "Unwanted". At a gut level people will respond to this because they will find it personally hurtful that these countries don't want them and they will feel more morally justified in opposing immigration from those countries on a "turnabout is fairplay" basis. Of course, most people wouldn't WANT to move to those countries, but that won't matter. On an emotive level they will resent the fact that they couldn't even if they wanted to.

Compress to WMV format, post on the Internet and voila, instant pro-WN message :)

In a similar vein, I would LOVE if someone made a "compare and contrast" documentary about the way Muslims are treated in the West versus the way Westerners (and outsiders in general) are treated in the Muslim world.


askel5

2005-05-07 19:08 | User Profile

=== Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., added a measure to allow unlimited immigration from China. Current law limits asylum claims from China's one-child policy to 1,000.

Very interesting.


JoseyWales

2005-05-07 20:42 | User Profile

[QUOTE=askel5]=== Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., added a measure to allow unlimited immigration from China. Current law limits asylum claims from China's one-child policy to 1,000.

Very interesting.[/QUOTE]

interesting, thats one way to describe it...although im not sure if that would be one of the words ill be using when tens of thousands of new chinese make it here over the next year or so.


Roy Batty

2005-05-07 20:59 | User Profile

[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]Just had another idea. A bit silly maybe, but I'm just thinking out loud.

What if someone made a short documentary about the difficulty an average white blue-collared American guy would have emigrating to (as opposed to holidaying in) most countries around the world. Do it in a Michael Moore-style "from the little guy's" perspective and show him applying (and being rejected) for citizenship in several countries around the world (India, Japan, China etc). Try and get some embassey official on camera saying something "hateful" like "you're not the type of person we want in our country".

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It might amusing to make a doc about the difficulty an average, blue collar White American has in obtaining say, an SBA loan when compared to any non-white, or getting into college when compared to any non-white, or ... well, you get the idea. Everyone knows (non-white) people are roaring pell mell out of the self created worlds of misery to get to whitey's horrible, racist lands in order to loot and pillage.


madrussian

2005-05-07 21:16 | User Profile

The simple truth is that we are living in the world where "defective" non-self-sufficient peoples that used to survive in their respective countries through thuggery, lying and thievery and who've made shitholes out of their countries are allowed to infest first world countries and take advantage of the infrastructure that whitey has created. Parasites have always had an inherent edge because they don't intend to play by the same rules.