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Thread ID: 18075 | Posts: 37 | Started: 2005-05-02
2005-05-02 22:23 | User Profile
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[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif][size=3][color=#333366]Christianity had its roots in Africa long before it reached Europe. Saints are those historic and heroic men and women who have internalized the mystery of Jesus. This account includes women and men of African ancestry, as well as non-Africans, who through their love of God and His people, gave their lives and/or fortunes to foster religious vocations among Native Americans and people of color. [/color][/size][/font]
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2005-05-02 23:24 | User Profile
Stigmata, may I ask what is the point of this post? Yes, some Christians have been black. So what?
I get suspecious when great people are claimed to be black, like St. Augustine. It takes more than being born in Africa to make someone black especially as eastern Africa was less black many centuries ago.
I'm also suspicious when someone yells racism, like the cliam in your cut-and-paste that Martin DePorres was never made a priest because he was black. Did the powers-that-be give this as the reason or is this just a prejudiced claim?
2005-05-02 23:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Stigmata, may I ask what is the point of this post? Yes, some Christians have been black. So what?
I get suspecious when great people are claimed to be black, like St. Augustine. It takes more than being born in Africa to make someone black especially as eastern Africa was less black many centuries ago.
I'm also suspicious when someone yells racism, like the cliam in your cut-and-paste that Martin DePorres was never made a priest because he was black. Did the powers-that-be give this as the reason or is this just a prejudiced claim?[/QUOTE]Powers that be indeed! Check the link--the info is from the official website of the Catholic Archdiocese of Newark, NJ, and like most of my posts surveying the official views of various Catholic and other Christian groups, demonstrates their pro-mud, pro-Jew and anti-white nature.
2005-05-03 00:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata]Powers that be indeed! Check the link--the info is from the official website of the Catholic Archdiocese of Newark, NJ, and like most of my posts surveying the official views of various Catholic and other Christian groups, demonstrates their pro-mud, pro-Jew and anti-white nature.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the Catholic Church has practiced some "Affirmative Action", especially during the years of Pope John Paul II.
Do you mean to say the Catholic Church is anti-white? Do you think the Catholic Church is good for whites? Anything that promotes families among whites has something good about it.
2005-05-03 02:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata] [color=navy]-the info is from the official website of the Catholic Archdiocese of Newark, NJ, and like most of my posts surveying the official views of various Catholic and other Christian groups, demonstrates their pro-mud, pro-Jew and anti-white nature.[/color] [/QUOTE]**
Stigmata, You post some very interesting links!**
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[center][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=5][color=blue]Celebrating the Dream[/color][/size][/font][/center] [center][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][color=blue] *[size=3]ââ¬ÅCelebrating the Dreamââ¬Â was the theme for the Annual Dr. Martin Luther King Celebration held on January 18, 2003 at Queen of Angels Church in Newark.[/size]*
[/color][/size][/font][/center] [center][center][color=blue][size=3][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Ministers of Victory and the Archdiocesan Office of Black Catholic Affairs were the sponsors of this tribute honoring the work and legacy of Dr. King.[/font][/size][/color][/center]
[center][color=blue][size=3][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Most Reverend Moses B. Anderson, S.S.E., D.D., Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Detroit was the Celebrant and the Homilist at the Mass.[/font][/size][/color][/center]
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2005-05-03 08:41 | User Profile
Christianity had its roots in Africa long before it reached Europe.
Read the New Testament. The Book of Acts. There was not one mission trip to Africa. The Gospel went to the Jew first, then the Greek. God didn't waste His time or human resources on the Dark Continent.
2005-05-03 14:45 | User Profile
As Happy Hacker stated, simply being from Africa hardly means that someone was black. North Africa to this day is not black. The Egyptians are not black. The Carthaginians were not black. This tactic of claiming that all the saints from Africa were black is simply modern PC hogwash. However, there have been black saints, and so what? The Gospel is for all people, after all.
2005-05-03 16:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]As Happy Hacker stated, simply being from Africa hardly means that someone was black. North Africa to this day is not black. The Egyptians are not black. The Carthaginians were not black. This tactic of claiming that all the saints from Africa were black is simply modern PC hogwash. However, there have been black saints, and so what? The Gospel is for all people, after all.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. The fact that there have been a few black saints is a real snooze. That's about like exposing the fact that more than a few Jews have been and are nazis or have been supportive of the nazi cause. Ha! Hitler even had one Jewish general who visited his dad in a concentration camp. There, that's inarguable proof that Hitler was pro-Jewish!
2005-05-04 00:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CWRWinger]
[color=blue]RE: Christianity had its roots in Africa long before it reached Europe. [/color]Read the New Testament.[u] The Book of Acts. There was not one mission trip to Africa.[/u] The Gospel went to the Jew first, then the Greek. God didn't waste His time or human resources on the Dark Continent.[/QUOTE] CWRW,
It seems that the Catholic Church and history supports Stigmata's view: [color=#0000ff]Christianity had its roots in Africa long before it reached Europe. [/color]
[color=navy]Early Evangelization of Africa-[/color]
[color=#0000ff][color=navy]It is important to recall that evangelization entered the continent of Africa much earlier that the colonial interests. [u]According to the Acts of the Apostles 8:26-40, the Apostle Philip baptized the first Ethiopian Christian. By the Fourth Century, (301-400) both Ethiopia and Nubia (modern Sudan) were Christian.[/u] Coptic missionaries (from Egypt) had founded churches with distinctive local cultural forms. The Ethiopian rite of the Mass is one of the most beautiful ancient rites of the Catholic Church and one that has inspired many African Bishops in search for a more authentic African expression of the faith in liturgical worship.[/color] [/color]
[color=#0000ff] [url="http://www.rc.net/"][color=blue]http://www.rc.net[/color][/url] [color=navy]Sources on the Catholic Church in Africa [/color][color=navy] [/color][url="http://www.rc.net/africa/catholicafrica/context.htm"][color=blue]http://www.rc.net/africa/catholicafrica/context.htm[/color][/url][/color]
2005-05-04 00:21 | User Profile
Christianity had its roots in Africa long before it reached Europe.
The gospel reached Italy and Spain during New Testament times. It is recorded in the N.T. Must I find a verse for you?
Acts 19:21 After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying, After I have been there, I must also see Rome.
This way before the time frame you are referencing. So Italy and Spain are not part of Europe?
There were some blacks who became Christians, but they weren't in Africa. They got saved after they came out of Africa.
2005-05-04 01:03 | User Profile
[center][u][size=3][color=#0000ff]Three Black Catholic Popes[/color][/size][/u][/center]
[center][size=3][color=#0000ff]There were 3 Popes known to be black:[/color][/size][/center]
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[color=navy]There were 3 Popes known to be black:[/color]
[color=navy]Pope St. Victor - Elected in 189 AD. He was deacon when he became Pope, a rarity then and now. He established a set date for the celebration of Easter yearly. He died a martyr for the faith in 199. [/color]
[color=navy]Pope St. Militiades - Reigned as Pope from 311 - 314. He signed the emperor Constantineââ¬â¢s famous Edict of Milan in 313, ending the persecutions, and making Christianity the established religion of the empire. [color=Red]He was considered an excellent Pope, "a son of peace and father of Christians" according to St. Augustine.[/color]
Pope St. Gelasius - Reigned from 492 -496. Born in Rome, he was renowned for his holiness, kindness and scholarship. He saved Rome from famine, composed a book of hymns for church use, was renowned for his concern for the poor and clarified church teaching on the Eucharist.
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2005-05-04 01:06 | User Profile
Knute, Would you mind posting the approximate dates of the Book of Acts? And then compare them the dates for the black popes. Which came first?
2005-05-04 02:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute]There were 3 Popes known to be black[/QUOTE]
Anybody can make an icon of a person and make him whatever race he chooses. This hardly establishes anything as a fact. The blacks claim Hannibal was black, but we know that's nonsense. There were lots of white people in northern Africa back then.
Show me an OLD icon of this pope that shows him to be black.
You people will try anything to attack Christianity.
2005-05-04 02:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill] You people will try anything to attack Christianity.[/QUOTE][color=red]The "you people" WB is referring to above is the Roman Catholic Church .[/color]:shocking:
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2005-05-04 02:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute][color=red]The "you people" WB must be reffering above is the Roman Catholic Church .[/color]:shocking: [/QUOTE]
Being of "African ancestry" and being a negro are two different things.
Like the blacks claim that Egypt was an "African civilization," so that means the Egyptians were negroes. Yeah, right, except we have mummies and statues of white people that prove that's just more black baloney.
Show me an icon made 500 years ago that shows these popes are negroes and I might believe you. And I don't mean something that has turned dark from age like the so-called "Black Madonna." Some clowns try to use that to prove the Mother of God was a negro. More baloney.
2005-05-04 02:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=wild_bill] Show me an icon made 500 years ago that shows these popes are negroes and I might believe you. [/QUOTE]WB,
It is not me claiming that. It is the Catholic Church. Perhaps you should contact the Vatican. Or closer to home try:
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2005-05-04 11:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Do you mean to say the Catholic Church is anti-white?[/QUOTE] Yes!
[QUOTE]Do you think the Catholic Church is good for whites? [/QUOTE]No!
Please see some of my threads in this subforum viz:
Catholic War on Borders Sin of Racism Sin of Anti-Semitism Etc.
2005-05-04 15:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute]WB, It is not me claiming that. It is the Catholic Church. Perhaps you should contact the Vatican.[/QUOTE] The Archdiocese of Newark and 'the Catholic Church' are not the same thing. The Pope exercises far less control over the American bishops than is commonly believed. The bottom line here is that you have dug up some information from some liberal Catholics who feel that they can promote 'diversity' by claiming that some popes and saints were black. That hardly means it is true. I bet if you did a little digging, you could find information from liberal Catholics that deny the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection. That doesn't make that the position of 'the Catholic Church.' Do you seriously have nothing better to do than to attack the Catholics in thread after thread after thread after thread?
2005-05-04 15:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Knute][color=navy]There were 3 Popes known to be black:[/color]
[color=navy]**Pope St. Victor - Elected in 189 AD.** He was deacon when he became Pope, a rarity then and now. He established a set date for the celebration of Easter yearly. He died a martyr for the faith in 199.
Known to be black? Hmm.. here is an icon of Pope Victor I found.
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[color=navy][quote=Knute]Pope St. Militiades - Reigned as Pope from 311 - 314. He signed the emperor Constantineââ¬â¢s famous Edict of Milan in 313, ending the persecutions, and making Christianity the established religion of the empire. [color=Red]He was considered an excellent Pope, "a son of peace and father of Christians" according to St. Augustine.
[color=black]Let's look at this icon of Pope Militiades, shall we?
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**[quote=Knute}Pope St. Gelasius** **- Reigned from 492 -496**. Born in Rome, he was renowned for his holiness, kindness and scholarship. He saved Rome from famine, composed a book of hymns for church use, was renowned for his concern for the poor and clarified church teaching on the Eucharist.
Not doing so well thus far. Perhaps we should take a look at this fellow- [img]http://www.culturalcatholic.com/PopeGelasiusI.jpg[/img]
Goodness gracious. If I were slightly more cynical, I might think that you found some BS afrocentric website, didn't bother to do any rudimentary research, and then ran as fast as you could to post it here, so that you could use it as a stick to attack Catholics. [/color]
2005-05-04 19:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill] If I were slightly more cynical, I might think that you found some BS afrocentric website, didn't bother to do any rudimentary research, and then ran as fast as you could to post it here, so that you could use it as a stick to attack Catholics. [/color][/QUOTE] You don't trust the Catholic Church? Do you[color=black] think that [/color] [color=black]the Roman Catholic Church is attacking Catholics?[/color]:shocking:
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2005-05-04 20:44 | User Profile
Knute, Besides not being able to answer my posts, I'd like to point out, the third dude from the left in the photos, is a Phineas Priest. I wonder how many black/white couples he's taken out?
2005-05-05 00:02 | User Profile
The black pope issue has been discussed before here at OD. All these black popes are very white. And, the Ethiopian spoke of in Acts is a Cushite, not an Ethiopian. The KJV authors made a judgment call and went with the modern name of the region, not the actual ethnicity identified in the Greek text. It is Africa, but it isn't black.
From Feric Jaggar: Pope Saint Gelasius [IMG]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintg2i.jpg[/IMG]
and Pope Saint Miltiades [IMG]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm0i.jpg[/IMG]
From my earlier post: [IMG]http://www.italycyberguide.com/History/popes/StVictor_I.JPG[/IMG]Pope Saint Victor 1
2005-05-22 23:25 | User Profile
[img]http://www.anus.com/etc/people/gasjews/beethoven-web.jpg[/img]
Seems to be a similar case here.
2005-06-06 20:41 | User Profile
The Cushites were Black, genius. Cush was a descendant of the Biblical Ham. Whitejews today use the word "cushi" as a slur against Blacks-forgetting, or maybe remembering, that the original Hebrews were Black. The whites and their series of lies would be funny if it wasn't so serious in its consequences. First, Canaan is cursed, Canaaan is one of the sons of Ham, Ham is the progenitor of Africa, and is Black (all true), so that means all Blacks of Africa are cursed! Then, when it starts to become apparent that Africa's ancient, advanced civilizations were built by Blacks:Egypt, Meroe/Nubia/KUSH, and Ethiopia, all of a sudden, PRESTO CHANGE-O, those were not Blacks, they were "Hamites"!
2005-06-06 20:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]The Cushites were Black, genius. Cush was a descendant of the Biblical Ham. Whitejews today use the word "cushi" as a slur against Blacks-forgetting, or maybe remembering, that the original Hebrews were Black. [/QUOTE]
Where in the Bible does it say Ham was black? It's not there. The Jews say Ham turned black from having sex with a dog on Noah's Ark or something weird like that. This is just another of the Jews' perverted myths.
2005-06-06 21:08 | User Profile
The Bible makes clear the lineage of African nations. The empire of Kush is one of those places like Nubia, where even the whites won't try to deny the inhabitants were Black. You all like to poke fun at us when one of us claims Beethoven was Black (it is a far-fetched claim), but then you go picking and choosing among Black African peoples which ones get designated "negro", and which ones get some sort of "honorary status" of almost-whites. Kush is Black, African. That doesn't take anything away from Europe, to let African heritage alone.
2005-06-06 21:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]That doesn't take anything away from Europe, to let African heritage alone.[/QUOTE]
The real problem is the actual heritage of the black African. Look at their "heritage" as manifested here in the US - 90% negative. Rape, murder, dysfunction, and destruction. Everywhere blacks congregate, things go into decline and chaos. That's a universal situation.
2005-06-06 21:25 | User Profile
Rape,murder, dysfunction and destruction. Yes, that is a big part of our heritage in the US. Guess who dished us out that 400 years' worth of all of the above?:cowboy:
2005-06-07 00:02 | User Profile
Ked McFarlane
African Americans are a weak willed, ill discipled, self serving, parasites whom have done nothing to advance the aims and aspirations of the African people.
Interestingly in the UK where I'm from 60% of violent crime is committed by Blacks and Asians. Asians i.e Pakistanis and Indians statistically commit as much crime as Blacks yet the perception among whites is that Blacks still have a monopoly on violent crime.
Gregz
"When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you." - African proverb
2005-06-07 00:23 | User Profile
Gregz, you are wrong. You, like so many white people, pick and choose statistics and bullsh-- in an effort to prove your point. You are probably the type that wants to focus on 50 Cent and ignore Malcolm X. Instaed of just dissing Black people, why don't you respond to my points here on this thread, about the inanity of the "Black is not Black" game the whites play when discussing Kush, Ethiopia, Egypt,etc.
2005-06-07 00:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Instaed of just dissing Black people, why don't you respond to my points here on this thread, about the inanity of the "Black is not Black" game the whites play when discussing Kush, Ethiopia, Egypt,etc.[/QUOTE]
Probably because he, like most of us, don't altogether really care that much about your identity struggle.
Why do you keep registering new accounts in order to troll the board? Do you have the false impression that we are going to start taking you seriously? Obviously you have no life in the real world and that's fine, the ban button here works every time we use it. You're not the first troll we've had and I'm certain you won't be the last.
2005-06-07 00:36 | User Profile
Thanks, Tex. Your input means alot to me. I have no struggle with my identity. do you?
2005-06-07 00:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ked McFarlane]Thanks, Tex. Your input means alot to me. I have no struggle with my identity. do you?[/QUOTE]
No, but I heard your mother does.
:cheers:
Bye, Ked. But remember, it takes a nation of millions to hold your peoples back.
Stay black, my brutha. :afro:
2005-06-07 00:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]No, but I heard your mother does. [/QUOTE]
J-Tex, right after I read that, I Laughed Out Loud for real :clap: !
2005-06-07 20:32 | User Profile
WAY TO GO, TEX! i woulda said "yur momma's toes are so dadblasted hairy, when they say she's got bare feets, they mean she gots BEAR FEET!" you sure as blazes put that uppity sumbich in his place. Boy howdy, you is a reggalur mensa-level geeneeus. How's about runnin' fer prezodent someday?
2005-06-07 21:02 | User Profile
:: whiff :: I think CowboyUp is our suspended troll whosbobbarr? ala KedMcFarlane playing the reverse psychology ticket while still makin us sound like fools. :ph34r:
2005-06-15 05:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CWRWinger]Christianity had its roots in Africa long before it reached Europe. Read the New Testament. The Book of Acts. There was not one mission trip to Africa. The Gospel went to the Jew first, then the Greek. God didn't waste His time or human resources on the Dark Continent.[/QUOTE] It is way over the line to proclaim God as racist. It is also blasphemy. Pray and repent. On a less important note, you must remember Philip in the Book of Acts baptizing the Ethiopian. The Mediterranean at that time was the center of learning, religous debates, and cultural dialog. It was also cosmopolitan. It makes sense that that's where the mission trips were to. In this cosmopolitan cultural center, people of varying races were to be found. It is mis-nformed at best, to believe that everyone preached to, in the Apostolic era, was White, or that none of them were Black.