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Thread ID: 18035 | Posts: 25 | Started: 2005-04-30
2005-04-30 09:44 | User Profile
By Walter Mueller
Dear Patriot
I have hoisted the German flag to honor tomorrow's "Tag der Arbeit", a national holiday in Germany and Austria. It's sort of Labor Day, but so much more.
With parades and music, people march to honor the worker. Bratwurst stands are placed en route and I remember, as a child, I couldn't wait to get a Bratwurst with a Kaiser Semmel.
Of course, today, the unions have taken over again, and no one wants to talk about the fact that on May 1st 1933, Adolf Hitler, Reichs Chancellor of Germany, declared May 1st the National Day of Work and made it a legal national holiday. He made this announcement at the Tempelhofer Field in Berlin to a crowd of 1.5 million workers.
On May 2nd, the same year, the Fuehrer liquidated all public unions. The chancellor knew that unions were the "joch" on workers necks, invented by communists and Jews. An incredible foresight of Adolf Hitler. It would be good to have today.
In the U.S., labor unions wield an incredible amount of power. No one gets elected without the endorsement of the major labor unions of the country.
Ever since I can remember in my activism activities, I have fought the corrupt and criminal labor unions.
Unions are the termites of economy. They stop healthy competition and ruin small businesses. Of course, the worst ones are the city, state and federal employees labor unions. The incredible abuse of tax dollars due to unreasonable contract negotiations makes one sick. Government workers are a necessary evil, however, when organized by labor unions, they become demonic. Pension plans, healthcare plans, childcare plans, and a dozen other perks that you don't get when you work in the private sector. Of course, this is all paid for by the taxpayer.
California, in recent years, has fought the corruptness and criminal behavior of labor unions. In fact, a couple of years ago, a measure was placed on the ballot to stop the forced deduction of campaign contributions from union members. It didn't pass, and the unions are now more than ever ripping off their own members.
Unions are a threat to national security and the well being of communities. They don't care about laws, or the Constitution. America's largest union endorsed illegal immigration, claiming that would give them millions of new members. Unions are also violent domestic terrorists. Just like the JDL, they do not shy away using violence to get their way.
Leaders of unions are right out criminals. Department stores, grocery stores and factories are experiencing tremendous costs due to the labor unions. And, of course, this is reflected in the sales price.
Government employees who are already on the taxpayers payroll, have put now put their entire families onto it too, due to the labor unions.
Adolf Hitler knew the danger of labor unions and put an end to it in his first year of power, which resulted in the highest renaissance for workers ever. So, May 1st should remind the German people just what a great leader Adolf Hitler was.
2005-04-30 10:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]In the U.S., labor unions wield an incredible amount of power. No one gets elected without the endorsement of the major labor unions of the country. [/QUOTE]:lol: When I read this, I thought the article was incredibly outdated, but then I saw some up to date references on it. He seems hopelessly out of touch - I don't think there's any country in the world unions have less power than in the U.S.
I'm not sure who this guy was, but his viewpoint seems pretty reactionary for a number of reasons. Yes, Hitler did suppress the unions (along with supressing the "Strasserite", i.e. genuinely National Socialist, sections of the party itself, like the SA), that was part of the deal he made with the big industrialists, along with the night of long knives.
2005-04-30 10:41 | User Profile
The author is Walter Mueller and this article appeared today on the Adelaide web site.
The Strasserites were a minority of traitorous National Bolsheviks. Hence, I donââ¬â¢t know what made them ââ¬Ågenuine National Socialists.ââ¬Â They tried to intrigue and cut a deal behind Hitlerââ¬â¢s back with Schleicher, were found out and expelled from the Party. Later the same traitorous elements attempted to seize power thorough extra-constitutional, revolutionary means plunging the entire country into the bloody chaos and anarchy of a civil war. They were dealt with promptly and in the way that traitors are dealt with everywhere; all in order to spare the country rivers of blood.
Hitler never made any ââ¬Ådealââ¬Â¦with the big industrialistsââ¬Â to launch the so-called ââ¬ÅNight of the Long Knivesââ¬Â, there is no evidence to support the above.
As to the power of unions in the US I was under the impression that various unions still hold a great deal of poltical leverage in US, espacially in the Democratic Party. However, I'll let those who are more familiar with American scene address this issue.
2005-04-30 12:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]The author is Walter Mueller and this article appeared today on the Adelaide web site. Link, S.V.P?
Hitler never made any ââ¬Ådealââ¬Â¦with the big industrialistsââ¬Â to launch the so-called ââ¬ÅNight of the Long Knivesââ¬Â, there is no evidence to support the above.
Sounds like you were talking with Trisk too much. :lol:
As to the power of unions in the US I was under the impression that various unions still hold a great deal of poltical leverage in US, especially in the Democratic Party. However, I'll let those who are more familiar with American scene address this issue.[/QUOTE] What do you mean. De-industrialization has devasted traditional unions in this country. The only union left really of major clout is the NEA. Now that is a powerful union.
By and large though, you'll find that union membership in the US is the lowest in the western world. Check the stats. A significant part of that of course come from the way business has used illegals to break a lot of unions, such as in the food processing industry. Hence the unions drive to recover their power by organizing illegals.
2005-04-30 13:01 | User Profile
As far as I am concern the Unions and the government are both in default, both are supposed to be for the well being of the people but now is only for the benefit of those in charge.
Why do you think so many US companys have gone overseas? the unions makes the employers pay the workers not what they deserve but what the union wants and the more money the employees get the more money the union gets.
Why should someone get $32.00 per hour to stand by the road in order to alert drivers that there is some kind of work being done up front?. Hell, I would do it for $18.00 and still that would be to much.
2005-04-30 15:44 | User Profile
The labor movement in America was built mostly by Marxists.
One of F. D. Roosevelt's Jews [Sidney Hillman] virtually built the labor movement in the 1930s/1940s.
2005-04-30 16:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]The labor movement in America was built mostly by Marxists.
One of F. D. Roosevelt's Jews [Sidney Hillman] virtually built the labor movement in the 1930s/1940s.
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Hitler lost. Get over it.
The Plutocracy will always be able to find thugs to bully and deceive working people and to sell their destinies abroad...
Name the "Money Power", Franco. You too, Alex.
2005-04-30 16:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Hitler lost. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
I don't recall mentioning Hitler in my post.
Perhaps you should read more carefully?
2005-04-30 18:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]The labor movement in America was built mostly by Marxists.
One of F. D. Roosevelt's Jews [Sidney Hillman] virtually built the labor movement in the 1930s/1940s. [/QUOTE]The labor movement in America goes back much further than the 1930's; it goes back to the mid/late 19th century; FDR merely empowered labor unions rather late in the day. Most of the early American labor union movements were not Marxist, unlike the situation in Europe.
Labor unions in the USA, over the past thirty years or so, have been "taking a dive" for the plutocracy, by promoting mass immigration and the entire left-wing agenda which is not in working people's best interests, nor have the Unions done anything meaningful to combat the outsourcing of the American economy. FDR's New Deal made the unions far too incestuously linked to the government for them to ever be an independent factor in American politics.
The same thing happened with labor unions in Germany under Hitler, but I'd trust nationalists like Hitler to look after German working people's interests much more than I would ever trust American plutocrats and klyptocrats to ever look after working American people's interests.
2005-04-30 18:27 | User Profile
[B]Sounds like you were talking with Trisk too much.[/B]
If you have a source (for the claim that Hitler stopped the SA Putsch at the behest of industrialists), please post it.
2005-04-30 19:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun][B]Sounds like you were talking with Trisk too much.[/B]
If you have a source (for the claim that Hitler stopped the SA Putsch at the behest of industrialists), please post it.[/QUOTE]Difficult to find such a source, since talk of a "SA putsch" implicating Roem etc., and your other descriptions of the event just follows standard Nazi propaganda lines.
As for the assertion that the industrialists supported Hitler in his attack on "the Nazi left" (Strasserites and SA) that is so common sense and widely recognized historically in general I'm surprised you'd find it controversial, although details of the intrigues can always be harranged endlessly. The fact of the matter is the crackdown on the SA and Roem was hugely popular with them.
2005-04-30 22:49 | User Profile
When talking about unions in America today, the most influential unions are not the blue collar labor unions, but those representing public employees, I.E., teachers unions and the despicable vermin at AFSCME. (Another Freeloading Socialistic Communist Multi-culti Employee)
2005-04-30 23:03 | User Profile
Okie,
FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO HITLER:
Feb. 23-Mar. 13, 1933:
(The Hjalmar Schacht account at Delbruck, Schickler Bank)
Political Contributions by Firms (with selected affiliated directors) Amount
Pledged Percent of
Firm Total
Verein fuer die Bergbaulichen Interessen (Kitdorf) $600,000 45.8
I.G. Farbenindustrie (Edsel Ford, C.E. Mitchell, Walter Teagle, Paul Warburg) 400,000 30.5
Automobile Exhibition, Berlin (Reichsverbund der Automobilindustrie S.V.) 100,000 7.6
A.E.G., German General Electric (Gerard Swope, Owen Young, C.H. Minor, Arthur Baldwin) 60,000 4.6
Demag 50,000 3.8
Osram G.m.b.H. (Owen Young) 40,000 3.0
Telefunken Gesellsehaft ruer
drahtlose Telegraphic 85,000 2.7
Accumulatoren-Fabrik A.G.
(Quandt of A.E.G.) 25,000 1.9
Total from industry 1,310,000 99.9
Plus Political Contributions by Individual Businessmen:
Karl Hermann 300,000
Director A. Steinke (BUBIAG-
Braunkohlenââ¬âu. Brikett ââ¬â
Industrie A.G.) 200,000
Dir. Karl Lange (Geschaftsfuhrendes
Vostandsmitglied des Vereins Deutsches Maschinenbauââ¬âAnstalten) 50,000
Dr. F. Springorum (Chairman: Eisen-und Stahlwerke Hoesch A.G.) 36,000
Source: See Appendix for translation of original document. [url]http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm#Some%20Early%20Hitler%20Backers[/url] ================== There's more out there. Here's the rest of the book. Have at it. [url]http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html[/url]
2005-04-30 23:33 | User Profile
In the U.S., labor unions wield an incredible amount of power. No one gets elected without the endorsement of the major labor unions of the country.
Yeah, everyone knows Big Labor just LOVES anti-union Bush. What rubbish.
2005-04-30 23:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]As to the power of unions in the US I was under the impression that various unions still hold a great deal of poltical leverage in US, espacially in the Democratic Party.[/QUOTE]
Not coincidentally, the only real strong union states happen to be Blue States (Democrat strongholds) such as the Northeast, California, and the upper Midwest.
Unions are quite defanged in Dixie and most of flyover country.
2005-04-30 23:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Labor unions in the USA, over the past thirty years or so, have been "taking a dive" for the plutocracy, by promoting mass immigration and the entire left-wing agenda which is not in working people's best interests, nor have the Unions done anything meaningful to combat the outsourcing of the American economy.
Unions are stupid for endorsing Democrats instead of candidates on the Buchananite right. The Democrats' pro-homo, anti-family social agenda and mass immigration agenda alienate them from Middle Americans among their rank and file who know what's going on.
2005-05-01 02:40 | User Profile
While I deplore what labor unions have become in the US and Europe and the part they play in the current system, I do not hate the concept of labor unions or the positive role they have played in American history. In spite of the fact that most unions were formed by socialists and Marxists, they did do a lot for the white working man. People have a tendancy to forget what labor conditions were like in the 19th Century. Read a little history and you will find that before unions, factory work in the US was something even worse than slavery. Labor unions or the threat of labor unions did a lot to raise salaries of blue collar people. If you need any further proof, compare average wages in the North and the South (the Southern states have always been "right to work" meaning few unions.) If Nationalists want to make any progress in the US, they have to build an alliance with the white working class. All our talk about blacks and Jews is fine (I do a lot of it myself) but blue collar whites are not going to support us unless we can guarantee better wages and standards of living for poor and working class whites. Talking about the Jewish world conspiracy (which I agree exists) makes people's eyes glaze over.
Someone was writing about the Strasserites and confusing them with National Bolsheviks. While I don't consider myself a Strasserite, I think they would have done better for the people than Adolph Hitler, a man of good intentions, but lousy judgement. Hitler did some good things for the German working class, but didn't do enough to reign in the power of the industrialists. I don't go as far as some who say that he was in the "pockets" of the industrialists, which would be unfair, but he could have done better on the issue of wages, which were pretty stagnant during the Third Reich.
The Left in America has abandoned the working class and the Right has always hated working people. One of the keys to success for American Nationalists would be to develop a reasoned critique of Capitalism. I for one, like the Distributivism of Chesterton and Belloc who were in turn influenced by late 19th Catholicism, which rejected both Capitalism and Socialism. I am no Romanist, but the popish church of the time was right on the money as far as economic theory was concerned.
2005-05-01 06:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Difficult to find such a source, since talk of a "SA putsch" implicating Roem etc., and your other descriptions of the event just follows standard Nazi propaganda lines.
As for the assertion that the industrialists supported Hitler in his attack on "the Nazi left" (Strasserites and SA) that is so common sense and widely recognized historically in general I'm surprised you'd find it controversial, although details of the intrigues can always be harranged endlessly. The fact of the matter is the crackdown on the SA and Roem was hugely popular with them.[/QUOTE]
[B]Difficult to find such a source[/B]
:biggrin:
I didn't say that getting rid of the Strasserite wasn't popular with the industrialists; however, that is different from stating, as you did, that they were the primary movers behind the crack down or that somehow Hitler did it on their orders. That's why I asked for a source.
2005-05-01 07:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun][B]Difficult to find such a source[/B]
:biggrin: I meant that as I doubt such really happened
I didn't say that getting rid of the Strasserite wasn't popular with the industrialists; however, that is different from stating, as you did, that they were the primary movers behind the crack down or that somehow Hitler did it on their orders. That's why I asked for a source.[/QUOTE]It depends what you mean by "on their orders". No one disputes that even in the early days Hitler was the strongest political figure in Germany, and by no means was contrained by any one party, industrialists included. Basically though the night of long knives as I understand it (and its intrigues are really quite complex) was motivated most strongly by what had become an intractable political standoff between the SA and its opponents within the rightist camp, although many Hitler opponents become involved also. And the most prominent bone of contention was between Roem and the SA/NS left against the industrialists, although again other opposition figures became involved in intrigues with the SA opposition. Hitler had to choose one camp or the other, he went against the SA of course, knocking them off like a Chicago gangster.
A move of course that was widely popular not only with the industrialists and Junkers but the petit-bourgeous faction of the population, who had come to hate and fear the SA, as did Hitler himself, as a huge army of undisciplined hoodlems. They got their law and order, but at the cost of any residual sense of democracy.
2005-05-01 07:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Quote from Corncod: Unions While I deplore what labor unions have become in the US and Europe and the part they play in the current system, I do not hate the concept of labor unions or the positive role they have played in American history. In spite of the fact that most unions were formed by socialists and Marxists, they did do a lot for the white working man. People have a tendancy to forget what labor conditions were like in the 19th Century. Read a little history and you will find that before unions, factory work in the US was something even worse than slavery. Labor unions or the threat of labor unions did a lot to raise salaries of blue collar people. If you need any further proof, compare average wages in the North and the South (the Southern states have always been "right to work" meaning few unions.) If Nationalists want to make any progress in the US, they have to build an alliance with the white working class. All our talk about blacks and Jews is fine (I do a lot of it myself) but blue collar whites are not going to support us unless we can guarantee better wages and standards of living for poor and working class whites. Talking about the Jewish world conspiracy (which I agree exists) makes people's eyes glaze over.
Someone was writing about the Strasserites and confusing them with National Bolsheviks. While I don't consider myself a Strasserite, I think they would have done better for the people than Adolph Hitler, a man of good intentions, but lousy judgement. Hitler did some good things for the German working class, but didn't do enough to reign in the power of the industrialists. I don't go as far as some who say that he was in the "pockets" of the industrialists, which would be unfair, but he could have done better on the issue of wages, which were pretty stagnant during the Third Reich.
The Left in America has abandoned the working class and the Right has always hated working people. One of the keys to success for American Nationalists would be to develop a reasoned critique of Capitalism. I for one, like the Distributivism of Chesterton and Belloc who were in turn influenced by late 19th Catholicism, which rejected both Capitalism and Socialism. I am no Romanist, but the popish church of the time was right on the money as far as economic theory was concerned.[/QUOTE]
Top notch analysis of the problems facing our people. The time is long since past for our nation to adopt a Populist agenda of power to the people. I have asked some of my union friends why they would not support Pat Buchanan for the presidency when he ran on an anti free trade platform. Just a lot of inarticulate mumbling, they could not even consider the posibility of voting for a non-democratic candidate.
P.S. Somewhile back I read a story in the tabloid (establishment) press about some American POW'S in Geremany during WWII who were paid for the work they did while prisioners. Seems that the wages that they were paid in Germany while POW'S was more than they would have been paid for the same work back home in the USA. The lame excuse in the paper was something about wages in Germany were higher at the time. (They did not tell us why wages were better in Germany.)
2005-05-01 17:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]While I deplore what labor unions have become in the US and Europe and the part they play in the current system, I do not hate the concept of labor unions or the positive role they have played in American history. In spite of the fact that most unions were formed by socialists and Marxists, they did do a lot for the white working man. People have a tendancy to forget what labor conditions were like in the 19th Century. Read a little history and you will find that before unions, factory work in the US was something even worse than slavery. Labor unions or the threat of labor unions did a lot to raise salaries of blue collar people. If you need any further proof, compare average wages in the North and the South (the Southern states have always been "right to work" meaning few unions.) If Nationalists want to make any progress in the US, they have to build an alliance with the white working class. All our talk about blacks and Jews is fine (I do a lot of it myself) but blue collar whites are not going to support us unless we can guarantee better wages and standards of living for poor and working class whites. Talking about the Jewish world conspiracy (which I agree exists) makes people's eyes glaze over. Well I don't know too much today about blue collar workers. It strikes me that thanks to globalization the American blue collar position is a dying breed in America - globalization is doing everything it can to replace him with a cheaper overseas or domestic alien counterpart.
The historical role of unions in America originates with the rise of mass industrialization and urbanization, and thus the corresponding rise of mass organizations. Unions have always been viewed suspiciously by conservatives for their mass nature, but basically really unions just represent the most basic sort of communitarian organization on an economic scale. Their success is just a dictum of MacDonald's old dictum: group strategies trump individual strategies, i.e. workers united do better than workers divided. I view their rise as just a check on the corresponding power of the industrialist/banker imperial class, which also rose rapidly in the last of the 19th century as the last opponents to its power, such as the old South, were removed.
Someone was writing about the Strasserites and confusing them with National Bolsheviks. While I don't consider myself a Strasserite, I think they would have done better for the people than Adolph Hitler, a man of good intentions, but lousy judgement. Hitler did some good things for the German working class, but didn't do enough to reign in the power of the industrialists. I don't go as far as some who say that he was in the "pockets" of the industrialists, which would be unfair, but he could have done better on the issue of wages, which were pretty stagnant during the Third Reich. The respective Strassers are always vilified by the Nazi's as Bolshevics, but all they are really guilty of is taking National Socialism as an ideology seriously, rather than as a totalitarian religion, centered upon worship of the infallible figure of their fuehrer-pope/Caesar, and with all power centered upon the elite police forces (i.e. the SS). Strassers at least stood for the retention of power by the workers and other democratic/popular institutions to some extent, for which reason they were ableto make a superficialy unlikely coalition with conservatives like Schleicher against Hitler.
The Left in America has abandoned the working class and the Right has always hated working people. One of the keys to success for American Nationalists would be to develop a reasoned critique of Capitalism. I for one, like the Distributivism of Chesterton and Belloc who were in turn influenced by late 19th Catholicism, which rejected both Capitalism and Socialism. I am no Romanist, but the popish church of the time was right on the money as far as economic theory was concerned.[/QUOTE]The distributism of Chesterson and Belloc is interesting, but a later model which influenced the Catholic Church was the corparatism of Austrian economist Othmar Spann, which influenced the Catholic Church of the time and also of course Mussolini, as well as other german figures like Moeller and Otto Strasser. Generally though their work is not known/available outside of german speaking areas, so is now obscure.
By and large though such a theory is needed if a fair alternative to the present system is needed, other than simply rule by terror pure and simple (the basic logic of the Nazi approach). While I agree with preserving some of the limited prerogatives of patriotic free enerprise, by and large the capital earned today by exploitation of globalism and speculation (not much different than the "ganster capitalism" of the former Soviet Union really) deserves no such protection, in fact it is the obvious threat to our freedom today, not the labor unions.
That's why I'm was still a little mystified by the modern rightist hatred of labor unions, unless it is influenced by the modern American version of NS, which treats NS completely as a religion, and thus ignores ideology.
2005-05-03 17:37 | User Profile
The fact that Hitler suppressed the labor unions is not in itself proof that he was a "tool of the industrialists" (though he certainly was far friendlier towards the Banks and Industrialists than most of the other National Socialists). After all, Stalin and Brezhnev also effectively outlawed labor unions - it's hard to imagine workers staging a strike in Soviet times. A labor union existed only nominally in the USSR as a "Communist Party Labor Union," which was entirely under state control, just as there was a National Socialist Worker's front in Germany. Neither had any real power as organized labor.
In the Soviet system, suppression of the labor unions obviously had nothing to do with pleasing private industrialists and speculators (there were none) and everything to do with putting down any kind of organized resistance to state planning. In NS Germany, suppression of the labor unions probably had as much to do with eliminating any kind of resistance to the state's goals as in pleasing the industrialists. The general policy of NS Germany and Fascist Italy regarding industry and labor was to eliminate the possibility of class conflict altogether by simultaneously eliminating the worker's potential to strike and the industrialist's potential to underpay their employees.
2005-05-04 00:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]When talking about unions in America today, the most influential unions are not the blue collar labor unions, but those representing public employees, I.E., teachers unions and the despicable vermin at AFSCME. (Another Freeloading Socialistic Communist Multi-culti Employee)[/QUOTE]
You got that right. My fiancee is in the Civil Service and it is nearly impossible to fire anyone. This truly demolishes the morale of an organization.
2005-05-04 01:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Hitler lost. Get over it.
.[/QUOTE]
Jesus lost. Get over it.
2005-05-04 12:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]Someone was writing about the Strasserites and confusing them with National Bolsheviks. While I don't consider myself a Strasserite, I think they would have done better for the people than Adolph Hitler, a man of good intentions, but lousy judgement. Hitler did some good things for the German working class, but didn't do enough to reign in the power of the industrialists. I don't go as far as some who say that he was in the "pockets" of the industrialists, which would be unfair, but he could have done better on the issue of wages, which were pretty stagnant during the Third Reich. [/QUOTE]
All wages AND PRICES were frozen, to stop inflation the Reich appointed a price-commissar who controlled the prices and watched that they did not rise to an unaffordable level.
Strasserites are really nothing else than "Bolsheviks light." Strasserites usually don't express any concerns for racial matters. They're like the Reds more interested in economic theories. For all intents and purposes theyââ¬â¢re Red Fascists.
To have an idea about what Hitler did for the German workers, please read the following two accounts, the first one written by a major British journalist and the second by the Belgian Degrelle (Hitler purportedly said that if he had a son he would've wanted him to be like Degrelle):
[url]http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/index213.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/3/Degrelle299-370.html[/url]
A full account of Hitler's social achievements is yet to be written (but who would write it in today's intellectual climate?).