← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Hugh Lincoln
Thread ID: 18015 | Posts: 21 | Started: 2005-04-29
2005-04-29 02:08 | User Profile
According to the natall.com site, which I gather is run by "old" NA, as opposed to the nationalvanguard site, which I gather is run by the "new" National Vanguard.
Old:
[url]http://natall.com/[/url]
New:
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4962[/url]
Groups with names. Huh. I wonder if we white folk don't need to at least consider weening ourselves from this whitest of proclivities. Since white men lost the heavy brow ridge, it seems, we've always wanted to give ourselves an official name and raise a flag with a symbol on it. Having done that, we retreat to supposed safety. While not oblivious to virtues of knowing you're a member of The Organization --- and have the wallet card to prove it --- why not more natural forms of networking, changing minds on race and otherwise advancing the cause? I mean, Big Effin' Deal if you're a Member with a capital M of X Racialist Group. You could do a thousand times more good as a rich guy who buys a billboard or a small radio station, a clever guy who runs for office on an anti-immigration platform, or a college professor who sneaks in a little subversion. As I see it, such groups can be valuable as places for fraternization (important) and pads for group activity, like planning a protest of something or other. But beyond that, they're useless unless directed to specific goals. They might even be counterproductive because they create the illusion of progress.
One thing such groups do offer, of course, is a physical place to meet and greet like-mindeds. Racialist Group X is having a meeting! Oh boy! You can go. And that's great. And I don't quite how you get that going without a named group.
There's a divide between active and passive folks here, and a group could offer opportunities for both. All groups need money, and even passive members can send in checks, of course.
But what's the purpose of the group? Seems our biggest task has always been --- and continues to be --- changing minds (especially white minds) and getting power. Whatever doesn't accomplish that should be a low priority. We have a very, very solid observation about the way the world works and a just insistence on the survival of our people. What we don't have is pretty much everything else: people in positions of power, money, governments, banks, big media, a hold on young minds, etc. We need to be creative about ways that we can make a difference on a shoestring.
2005-04-29 02:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]....As I see it, such groups can be valuable as places for fraternization (important) and pads for group activity, like planning a protest of something or other. But beyond that, they're useless unless directed to specific goals.
One thing such groups do offer, of course, is a physical place to meet and greet like-mindeds. Racialist Group X is having a meeting! Oh boy! You can go. And that's great. And I don't quite how you get that going without a named group.
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Sure I've had lots of thoughts on this on the board recently. How are a group of WN going to control the world, when they can't even form cohesive groups greater than ten in size without fracturing and splitting?
We seem to have to solutions to this, the keyboard anarchists (don't follow anybody), and the orthodox NS's such as the NA (follow the [I]fuehrer-prinzip[/I]). The first path is an obvious loser, and the second path recently as shown is also a loser.
The current trend in WN seems to be to combine the worst of both world's, a la VNN. I don't even want to read what Linder thinks of all this.
2005-04-29 03:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] How are a group of WN going to control the world, when they can't even form cohesive groups greater than ten in size without fracturing and splitting?
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Although that would be nice, we don't have to control the world, or even large numbers of ourselves. We need to enlighten our sleeping folk to a sense of their own self-worth and to overcome their apathy and materialism. Once our people are awake then strong leaders and cohesive organizations can form. Our value is our ability to shake off the social conditioning and stand up to our enemies with the odds hugely against us.
2005-04-29 04:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Although that would be nice, we don't have to control the world, or even large numbers of ourselves. We need to enlighten our sleeping folk to a sense of their own self-worth and to overcome their apathy and materialism. Once our people are awake then strong leaders and cohesive organizations can form. Our value is our ability to shake off the social conditioning and stand up to our enemies with the odds hugely against us.[/QUOTE]Sounds like typical anarchist reasoning really. How will we "awake our people" without "strong leaders and cohesive organizations" is the tricky part of the equation.
Not to question the need for enlightenment, but at some point at least you admit "strong leaders and cohesive organizations" are a necessity. I think it might be advisable to at least give the matter some passing thought.
Now its my opinion that, as the David Duke affair goes, it may be really impossible to form such organizations over the long term in the U.S. If a leader and/or organization like Duke who has some ability really emerges, he/it will be quickly supressed. The situation that exists today is simply an evitable result of what happens when a government overseen negative seletion process takes place. (I.e., the NA continued to operate freely because the gov't viewed it as no threat). So at this point it may be a little hypothetical, but its still I think a good question.
2005-04-29 12:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Sounds like typical anarchist reasoning really. How will we "awake our people" without "strong leaders and cohesive organizations" is the tricky part of the equation.
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The internet educates whites to the racial real politic of multiculturalism, and from the opposite direction, our enemies teach white nationalism by their constant defamation of whites in their media, in the schools, and in the growing white 'no go' territories in our cities. It is our job to get the message out as best we can, so that when things fall apart our people are at least somewhat familiar with our message. I have faith that the truth gets out. I may be wrong, but it the best strategy that I can support.
2005-04-29 15:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Sounds like typical anarchist reasoning really. How will we "awake our people" without "strong leaders and cohesive organizations" is the tricky part of the equation.
Not to question the need for enlightenment, but at some point at least you admit "strong leaders and cohesive organizations" are a necessity. I think it might be advisable to at least give the matter some passing thought.
Now its my opinion that, as the David Duke affair goes, it may be really impossible to form such organizations over the long term in the U.S. If a leader and/or organization like Duke who has some ability really emerges, he/it will be quickly supressed. The situation that exists today is simply an evitable result of what happens when a government overseen negative seletion process takes place. (I.e., the NA continued to operate freely because the gov't viewed it as no threat). So at this point it may be a little hypothetical, but its still I think a good question.[/QUOTE]
Not "Anarchist", but Gramscian. Time for ol' Whitey to strap on his hiking boots for that "long march through the institutions"...the West needs tutors for a Frankfurt School strategy of our own.
Once our people's collective mind is cleared of inimical cobwebs then dealing with hostile aliens and their collaborators will be a straightforward job.
2005-04-29 17:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Now its my opinion that, as the David Duke affair goes, it may be really impossible to form such organizations over the long term in the U.S. If a leader and/or organization like Duke who has some ability really emerges, he/it will be quickly supressed. [/QUOTE]
Think to the future.
The chief reason why Jews have been able to do so much damage in America is because America has been blessed/cursed with massive, unearned energy supplies. With the coming of Peak Oil, economic growth will become impossible, that means the end of usury and millions of intelligent people will be thrown out of their cushy jobs and have to face reality.
[url]http://www.peakoil.com[/url]
2005-04-29 17:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Not "Anarchist", but Gramscian. Time for ol' Whitey to strap on his hiking boots for that "long march through the institutions"...the West needs tutors for a Frankfurt School strategy of our own.[/QUOTE]
I agree, Howard. And to tie this observation in with the discussion David Duke, the National Alliance/Vanguard, et. al. above, it's worth noting that you need not associate with a "hot" group or individual in order to slog through our reverse Gramscian march. If some do, great. If others don't, that's also great.
Think about it: if you're the typically unenlightened white, would you listen more closely to a "respectable" politician or academic, or David Duke? With all due respect to Mr. Duke and his excellent work, it took me personally some teeth-gritting several years back to order his book from Amazon. But this was after I'd read "Why Race Matters" by the Jewish professor Michael Levin. For some folks, they regard the messenger more than the message. If Sean Hannity tomorrow started talking about how we shouldn't be such suckers for Israel, I bet that would have an influence. So Duke is great, but as noted before, "warm-up" acts are needed. People need "safe" stepping stones while traversing the fiery, gassy swamps of changing their mind on something as basic as racial equality.
But we can all do work here. We all obviously have access to computers. I personally spend some time on mainstream con chatboards, and I've found that over the years, I win people over. Sometimes it requires softening the message or engaging in rhetorical techniques I'd rather avoid (like, "Yes, Israel has a right to exist and defend itself. But why don't we as whites have that same right?"). You can call your politician and demand that anti-white hate crimes be prosecuted. You can write. You can make noise. You can e-mail. And through it all, you can just be "John Smith, citizen." No pressing need for "John Smith, NA member."
2005-04-30 03:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Not "Anarchist", but Gramscian. Time for ol' Whitey to strap on his hiking boots for that "long march through the institutions"...the West needs tutors for a Frankfurt School strategy of our own.
Well tutors aren't much use really unless they're in a school type setting. I.e. some resources, ability to operate effectively, and a certain critical mass of intelligent and tractable students.
You don't find that anywhere in WN really.
Once our people's collective mind is cleared of inimical cobwebs then dealing with hostile aliens and their collaborators will be a straightforward job.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty big given. You take a look at the coillective mind lately?
2005-04-30 03:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] You take a look at the coillective mind lately?[/QUOTE]
Show me any "collective mind" that isn't laughable?
2005-04-30 05:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Not "Anarchist", but Gramscian. Time for ol' Whitey to strap on his hiking boots for that "long march through the institutions"...the West needs tutors for a Frankfurt School strategy of our own.
Once our people's collective mind is cleared of inimical cobwebs then dealing with hostile aliens and their collaborators will be a straightforward job.[/QUOTE] Quite right Howard Campbell, Jr. !! And make no mistake... our culture HAS been captured. Our families, churches and schools have been under attack for over a century. These institutions are now in ruin. If we wish to take back our culture and our civilization... we will have to take back these institutions.
However, clearing our ââ¬Åpeople's collective mindââ¬Â of the ââ¬Åinimical cobwebsââ¬Â is going to require an environment where they are ready to listen. I believe that this environment has almost arrived via the chaos and dysfunction of Jew promoted multiculturalism. Its just a matter of time. The biggest question I have in my mind is "what will we be doing" once our Brothers and Sisters have been shaken out of their stupor?
Do we have the understanding of our own identity and heritage to rebuild what the Greeks, Romans and our Founders left us... or will we allow the fringe element wackos to distract us? Do we really have the resolve to promote a renaissance of White Christian culture in America and in Europe... our will we settle for a ââ¬Åwatered-downââ¬Â version? Are we ready to protect and preserve our culture this time... or will we fall victim once again to the temptations of avarice, narcissism, and sexual indulgences?
May God give us the wisdom and strength to meet this great challenge.
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2005-05-01 14:31 | User Profile
[img]http://natall.com/adv/2005/04-30-05.jpg[/img]
Shaun Walker
2005-05-01 14:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I don't even want to read what Linder thinks of all this.[/QUOTE]
The path of greatest edification always lies alongside the route of not knowing (or caring) about ANYTHING that Linder person writes and/or says about anyone or anything, for the rest of his and/or your life. Or so it sees to me. I wish he'd get hit by a bus, frankly. The last thing I heard of in connection to Linder was his gleeful dancing upon the grave of the late Dr. Samuel Francis. I do so hope I remain equally updated on Alex Linder's remarks on public affairs and such, into the years and decades to come.
If Linder didn't exist, you'd have to invent him, Okie.
2005-05-03 04:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.] Shaun Walker[/QUOTE]:lol: With due apologies to Kevin what an organization of friggin Hitler wannabee fruitcakes.
2005-05-03 04:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hiser] I hope these guys are proud that they trammpled on Pierce's dreams and his life work. :angry:[/QUOTE] Pierce picked em.
2005-05-03 12:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]:lol: With due apologies to Kevin what an organization of friggin Hitler wannabee fruitcakes.[/QUOTE]
You naughty boy. :wink:
2005-05-03 13:16 | User Profile
Show me any group of managers and I will show you a portion of fruitcakes.
2005-05-03 17:33 | User Profile
The ongoing infighting between different factions of the so-called Far Right is the same that's affecting the Far Left pertaining to the current insanity/criminality of American politics. I offer this quote from Left-leaning writer William Rivers Pitt; just replace "Left" with "Far Right, Old Right, or White Nationalist":
[QUOTE]The Left is appalled, disgusted, horrified and deeply, deeply frustrated. Right now, the Left feels like it is facing a fortified bunker armed with a slingshot and some small pebbles. Faced with this apparently unassailable foe, and filled with the desire to do something, anything to move the pile, people on the Left are doing the only thing that seems available: They are kicking the crap out of each other. That frustration, that woe, that horror and rage require an outlet somewhere. [url]http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/050305B.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-05-03 20:32 | User Profile
Now this is a worthwhile discussion!
I don't even attempt to talk to my co-workers, though they are above average young men about my age. ZOG is God to them. I might as well try to preach Satanism in a Baptist church.
I see a few family men concerned about outsourcing. If they lose this gig, there's nowhere left to fall. McDonalds? The casino?
But the rest are video game playing whiggers.
ZOG is a graven image, an idol, that is worshipped, to use a Christian analogy. I am in no position to challenge Him, the Jealous ZOG-GOD.
But the day is approaching when this idol comes crashing down. When SUV's sit idled in driveways, mere hulks of useless scrap metal. When there are food riots in the cities, and people are desperate and jobless, and they finally come out from their TV's and out onto their front yards to meet their neighbors.
That's when we can talk to them.
Until then, what can we do? I guarantee you, we'll be saying, "I sure wish I had done this this and that" before the collapse. Try to think about what you will want to have when this day comes.
When the ZOG-GOD idol comes crashing down, it will be wonderful and horrible at the same time. This idol may fall right down on us and crush us. A bitter victory that will be, eh?
But yes, these people are not in a saveable condition. Situation hopeless but not desperate. When the situation is desperate, it will no longer be hopeless.
I'm hoping for a major southward exodus of our colored cousins when this happens.
Rob
2005-05-04 02:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]The ongoing infighting between different factions of the so-called Far Right is the same that's affecting the Far Left pertaining to the current insanity/criminality of American politics. I offer this quote from Left-leaning writer William Rivers Pitt; just replace "Left" with "Far Right, Old Right, or White Nationalist":[/QUOTE]True enough. The Frankfurt School would always say this is signs of right-wing pathologization. And it is true that uniting rightist factions has always been a formidable foe. That was one of the reason Hitler came to power on the German right - it was generally agreed that no one else was capable of uniting all these assorted rightist-freikorp factions. And the desire for unity was the reason Nazi ideology started elevating Hitler to god-like status, re: the fuehrer-prinzip which the NA's adoption of is now shown in all its awfulness. It dooms any chance of any long-lasting organzation, tying it to the life-time of one leader, be it the NSDAP or the NA.
Maybe though its a useful suicide virus, i.e. a means of getting rid or organizations and movements that have gone nuts.
Overall though I think that the right's problems in America of course in good part aren't its own making. There are leaders with real potential for both uniting the movement around themselves and getting other people to unite. David Duke was one of the former. We all know why he was exiled to Ukraine, while people like Pierce [I]et. al. [/I] are allowed to operate untouched. Duke possessed real political ability. Arguably that is the common thread behind the governments persecution of WN figures.
2005-05-04 12:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust] Overall though I think that the right's problems in America of course in good part aren't its own making. There are leaders with real potential for both uniting the movement around themselves and getting other people to unite. David Duke was one of the former. We all know why he was exiled to Ukraine, while people like Pierce [I]et. al. [/I] are allowed to operate untouched. Duke possessed real political ability. Arguably that is the common thread behind the governments persecution of WN figures.[/QUOTE]
Excellent observation. The criminal enterprise operating in DC are petrified of a political figure like David Duke because they know in their hearts that he'd appeal to way too many regular White folks, breaking the iron grip that the current Regime has on the minds of most of it's constituents.