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2005-04-26 11:16 | User Profile
Israeli Author Suggests Jews Are To Blame For Anti-Semitism
By israelinsider staff and partners April 25, 2005
Avraham B. Yehoshua has written a lot in his day. But the celebrated Israeli fiction writer's most recent essay -- the thesis of which is that there is something amorphous and undefined in the Jewish identity that promotes hatred and anger among gentiles -- has itself promoted its fair share of anger among Israeli critics.
Yehoshua, who said he decided to write the article on the occasion of the recent worldwide upsurge in anti-Semitism, writes the following:
"The Gentiles feel threatened by Jews, because they have a double identity. The Gentile does not grasp that concept and so he might, under some conditions, react to it with violence."
According to Yehoshua, every Jew around the world recognizes himself as such before he assumes any other identity. He mentions the affinity between Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews, despite their vast cultural and linguistic differences, as evidence of this universal Jewish truth.
Not only do Jews possess a dual identity, but they constantly change from one identity to another. This "chameleon characteristic" as he dubs it, is difficult to accomodate and also makes Gentiles uncomfortable.
"I think a 'defined identity' has more responsibility; it has limits, it is responsible for what it does. Amorphousness is a way to get away from responsibility," he says, adding, "I describe the facts. The Jew changes all the time. He can be assimilated without any visual indications of his identity, or he can distinguish himself, as does an Orthodox Jew. At the same time, he assumes the identity of whichever nation he occupies."
This concept of dual-identity provides the backbone of the author's label of 'Jewish amorphousness'.
It is not altogether a negative label. According to the author, it is this quality that has made Jews so disproportionately successful. "It is true that this quality gave birth to Nobel Prizes," he says. "But I am willing to give up the Nobels to get back all the murdered children of the Holocaust.
"Being amorphous has its advantages, but there is a price for the amorphous identity. Be amorphous, be whatever you want to be, walk around in the air, the problem is the price."
At the same time, the Jews are guilty of possessing another duality: Jews are composed of two codes: a 'national code' and a 'religious code'. These two codes are, perhaps predictably, at odds with one another.
According to Yehoshua, all that is required is to forge a separation between codes. "I think that constructing a Jewish code completely separate from the Israeli code is part of the solution," he says. "Look at the Italians: at the Pope's funeral we all saw how Catholic they really are. But their religion is not the only factor making them exclusively Italian."
It is for this reason that Yehoshua supports the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, since he believes it shows that Israelis favor nationalism over religion.
At first, Yehoshua says, the State of Israel was a solution to the problem of Jewish amorphousness, because it placed the Jews among other nations. But then came what he calls "the big setback" (ie. the Six-Day War).
"Israel's clear-cut borders faded, as the nation once again started mixing with another people," he said. "Indeed, anti-Semitic statements against Israel recurred. The fact that we are in the midst of withdrawal is a positive thing. It is important that there is a border; every country has a border."
In conclusion, Yehoshua says if all Jews lived in Israel then in 50 years, there would be no more anti-Semitism. "People would not know the Jews at all, just like we don't know the Tibetans," he said.
Shinui Party Chairman Yosef "Tommy" Lapid, a Holocaust survivor from Hungary, disagreed with the author's high-flown theories. According to Lapid, the real existential hatred against Jews was directed particularly toward assimilated Jews, who were more successful than Gentiles. "There was no double identity situation with those Jews," Lapid said. "On the national level they felt themselves to be complete Hungarians, and their 'religious aspect' went unexpressed."
Even if it were true that Jews arounnd the world share some sort of amorophous character, Professor Yirmiyahu Yuval says they couldn't possibly be responsible for possessing such an identity. "In order for that to be true, Jews would have to have had the opportunity to make a choice. Jews may have lived one way or another, but it doesn't necessarily mean they lived under conditions that permitted them to choose."
Acknowledging that his thesis might seem to place moral responsibility for Jewish hatred onto Jews themselves, Yehoshua says, "The inability to look inside is a horrible thing. I do not criticize anyone in my article, but rather check the structure of Jewish identity and try to understand what within it brings such horrible disasters and awakens such pathological interactions [with non-Jews]."
If a girl wears a miniskirt in the woods, she is entitled to do so. If someone attacks her, it is his fault. But she should know that something like this can happen; meaning one has to be aware of the world around him."
Amira Lam contributed to this report.
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2005-04-26 15:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE]In conclusion, Yehoshua says if all Jews lived in Israel then in 50 years, there would be no more anti-Semitism. "People would not know the Jews at all, just like we don't know the Tibetans," he said.[/QUOTE] Indeed.
2005-04-27 08:06 | User Profile
What hogwash--this is not supported at all by Jewish traditions and texts, which require Jews NOT to assimilate, something that this author is claiming is essentially Jewish. But it IS a good description of himself, for his theories are so vastly different from traditional Judaism that it is evident that HE has assimilated to a large degree.
2005-04-27 08:54 | User Profile
[I]Shalom[/I], Yehuda,
Actually, you and Yehoshua are both correct. One only has to read a few issues of the [I]Weekly Standard[/I] to see chameleon aspect the writer refers to. That is to say despite the obstensive "American patriotism", if one looks deeper one can see it is of the Zionist persuasion as represented by the Likud Party. An example is the way so many people (some deliberately) confuse the U.S. with Israel and its problems with ruling over occupied peopl, i.e., "terrorism". That is to say that they seem to think boths countries are one in the same. It is this sort of things that anger informed Gentiles.
By the way, are you the same "Yehuda" from "Free" Republic? Your answer won't be held against you.
2005-04-28 00:37 | User Profile
A wierd analogy involving miniskirts in the woods with an implied rape used as an example. How Talmudic is that? :lol:
2005-04-28 01:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yehuda]What hogwash--this is not supported at all by Jewish traditions and texts, which require Jews NOT to assimilate, something that this author is claiming is essentially Jewish. But it IS a good description of himself, for his theories are so vastly different from traditional Judaism that it is evident that HE has assimilated to a large degree.[/QUOTE]
Saalam Aleikum Jew Yehuda, and you are right because like a snake in the grass the Jews cannot be any other thing but a snake, even when you ask a Jew if there were to fight against the Zionist state of Israel if commanded by the president the answer is always NO.
A Jew will always be a Jew before he is an American.
The Jews calls the stolen land of Palestine "home" and yet because it is stolen ground it will never be their home.
2005-04-28 05:14 | User Profile
It's quite strange that you say "Shalom," which means peace, and then proceed to speak in the most derogatory terms.
In any case, I've never heard of this "Weekly Standard" before. I searched for it and found the online version of it, and I can't see anything remotely Jewish about it, so I'm surprised you consider it so, and draw conclusions from that premise. Nor have I ever heard of "Free Republic," but I searched for it and again, nothing remotely Jewish about it.
Yes, you're quite right: allegiance to the Torah, G-d's Law, comes before allegiance to the law of the land. E.g., the fact that the USA is now somewhat endorsing the abomination of gay marriage doesn't make it allowed, because G-d's law comes before human laws--not a difficult concept to understand. Though the Jewish law, Halacha, does teach that the law of the land should be followed otherwise.
As for the Holy Land of Israel: It belongs forever to the Jewish people because G-d said so numerous times in the Hebrew Bible, the Living Word of G-d.
2005-04-28 05:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yehuda]It's quite strange that you say "Shalom," which means peace, and then proceed to speak in the most derogatory terms.
In any case, I've never heard of this "Weekly Standard" before. I searched for it and found the online version of it, and I can't see anything remotely Jewish about it, so I'm surprised you consider it so, and draw conclusions from that premise. Nor have I ever heard of "Free Republic," but I searched for it and again, nothing remotely Jewish about it.
Yes, you're quite right: allegiance to the Torah, G-d's Law, comes before allegiance to the law of the land. E.g., the fact that the USA is now somewhat endorsing the abomination of gay marriage doesn't make it allowed, because G-d's law comes before human laws--not a difficult concept to understand. Though the Jewish law, Halacha, does teach that the law of the land should be followed otherwise.
As for the Holy Land of Israel: It belongs forever to the Jewish people because G-d said so numerous times in the Hebrew Bible, the Living Word of G-d.[/QUOTE]
Israel is an illegitimate, apartheid state funded by gentile tax dollars.
2005-04-28 06:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yehuda]In any case, I've never heard of this "Weekly Standard" before. I searched for it and found the online version of it, and I can't see anything remotely Jewish about it, so I'm surprised you consider it so, and draw conclusions from that premise. Nor have I ever heard of "Free Republic," but I searched for it and again, nothing remotely Jewish about it. When people refer to something as being "Jewish," they don't necessarily mean in an orthodox or even religious sense. Many or most Jews are quite secular in their religious practices. Nevertheless, secular Jews often identify strongly as Jews in terms of ethnicity; they think of themselves as a distinct ethnic and cultural group with interests separate from those of the culture in which they live. That's why there are so many secular Jewish political action groups in the United States. Furthermore, even in Israel most Jews are secular. So Jews do not constitute a religious community, but a tribe. And yes, the Weekly Standard and Free Republic are among the media outlets strongly concerned with promoting international Jewish political interests; e.g., they propagate pretexts for supporting the nation of Israel at US expense.
Yes, you're quite right: allegiance to the Torah, G-d's Law, comes before allegiance to the law of the land. E.g., the fact that the USA is now somewhat endorsing the abomination of gay marriage doesn't make it allowed, because G-d's law comes before human laws--not a difficult concept to understand. Though the Jewish law, Halacha, does teach that the law of the land should be followed otherwise. That's fine, but if "God's law" tells the Jewish community to engage in behavior that upsets the majority residents of the land you're living in, you can expect to be expelled.
As for the Holy Land of Israel: It belongs forever to the Jewish people because G-d said so numerous times in the Hebrew Bible, the Living Word of G-d.[/QUOTE]Uh oh...I just promised myself I'd try to avoid religious debates here from now on. Nevertheless, I must make an exception in this case.
If God wants you to have that land, then why the need for an Israeli military (supported parasitically by US taxpayer dollars, no less)? If God is capable of saving the Hebrews by parting the waters of the Red Sea, then surely He has no need of your armed assistance in dealing with Israel's enemies -- right?
2005-04-28 06:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yehuda]It's quite strange that you say "Shalom," which means peace, and then proceed to speak in the most derogatory terms.
Yehuda,
I thought I was being quite polite. I gave an opinion that I base upon my observations.
In any case, I've never heard of this "Weekly Standard" before. I searched for it and found the online version of it, and I can't see anything remotely Jewish about it, so I'm surprised you consider it so, and draw conclusions from that premise. Nor have I ever heard of "Free Republic," but I searched for it and again, nothing remotely Jewish about it.
I see, you're an Israeli and while you may not have heard of them over there I can assure you that both are strongholds of the Likud Party. In fact, if you look at the masthead of the Weekly Standard you will note that the majority of writers are Jews and if you look further and do a keyword search you will find that they very much hold Israel's (read Likud) interest dear, especially when it comes to getting America to do something.
Yes, you're quite right: allegiance to the Torah, G-d's Law, comes before allegiance to the law of the land. E.g., the fact that the USA is now somewhat endorsing the abomination of gay marriage doesn't make it allowed, because G-d's law comes before human laws--not a difficult concept to understand. Though the Jewish law, Halacha, does teach that the law of the land should be followed otherwise.
Well, Yehuda, you will have an opportunity to tell [url=http://www.gay.org.il/joh/eng/WPJ.htm]these folks[/url] in person yourself in the near future. Obviously, they haven't gotten the word. You will see quite a few of them.
As for the Holy Land of Israel: It belongs forever to the Jewish people because G-d said so numerous times in the Hebrew Bible, the Living Word of G-d.[/QUOTE] Good, I'm glad that's all cleared up for I and many others have better use for our money and lives than to get involved in any foolishness in the Middle East. God will provide.
2005-04-28 07:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yehuda]It's quite strange that you say "Shalom," which means peace, and then proceed to speak in the most derogatory terms.
In any case, I've never heard of this "Weekly Standard" before. I searched for it and found the online version of it, and I can't see anything remotely Jewish about it, so I'm surprised you consider it so, and draw conclusions from that premise. Nor have I ever heard of "Free Republic," but I searched for it and again, nothing remotely Jewish about it. . . .[/QUOTE] It's nice to have you here, Yehuda. Welcome.
I wish Israelis well. I genuinely have no problem with Jews in Israel, so long as they don't try to subvert American foreign policy.
My problem is with the Jewish diaspora, in America and anywhere else for that matter.
Jews in the diaspora are the "necessary by not sufficient" cause of most of the cultural rot that is eating out the heart of the Christian West.
These problems would go away if only diaspora Jews would get honest with themselves and with us, admit that their first (only?) loyalty is to Israel and the Jewish people, cease the relentless attacks against Christian institutions, and follow the good advice of the great Zionists from Herzl to Sharon and MOVE TO TEL AVIV FORTHWITH.
Renouncing their American citizenship in the process, it goes without saying.
You're already in Israel, and so I wish you nothing but well.
That said, you guys do owe us an awful lot of money that we'll need to talk about seriously at some point. I really don't see how Israel will be able to repay America the gazillions Israel owes, but we'll work out a payment schedule I'm sure.
Other than that, as far as I'm concerned so long as Jews are in Israel they have the rights and duties of all other nations of the world.
Don't mess with us, we won't mess with you, that sort of a deal.
Again, welcome.
Walter
2005-04-28 08:44 | User Profile
In that case, if you will all be civil, and not resort to gratuitous insults, I'm willing to have an intelligent conversation. Angler:
1) As an Orthodox Jew, I define Judaism not as the way some (or even many) Jews act, but by what the Torah, G-d's Law, says. Those who act otherwise, although technically Jews, are not acting like Jews, i.e., though they technically have the status of Jews, their actions are not representative of Judaism.
2) Well, indeed, it is not surprising that the Jews were expelled, e.g., from atheist, Communist Russia, for they refused to give up their belief in One G-d and submission to Him. But that's a praise of the Jews, not the opposite.
3) The need for a military? Self-defence. G-d helps those who help themselves. Although G-d sometimes performs miracles, He doesn't want us to rely on them.
Sertorius:
1) I'm not a citizen of the land of Israel, if that's what you mean; I don't see where I stated so. I live in the diaspora.
2) The Likud party and the state of Israel in general is not religious, doesn't follow the Torah, and thus does not represent true Jewish values, and so again--I don't consider support of it Jewish as such, though specific policies may be consistent with Torah law, which is to be praised.
Walter:
1) The Jews who are not acting like Jews, who are conforming with secularism, are indeed a bad influence, no question. The solution, though, is not that they should leave, but that they repent and follow G-d's law. I myself am involved with efforts to bring them to see the error of their ways, and to return to the morality of G-d's law.
2) I don't deny that my first loyalty is not to the diaspora county in which I live, but to the law of G-d (and not the secular state of Israel). I say it openly, and proudly. Again, G-d's law logically supersedes human law. But notwithstanding, the Torah itself says to listen to the law of the land (where not contradicting Torah law), and I make a point of doing that. That makes me a good citizen.
In any case, I haven't yet come across a requirement according to Torah law that contradicts civil law in Western countries today, so it's a moot point.
3) As an Orthodox Jew, not only am I not a bad influence, I'm a good influence--good even according to the conservative values open which this board appears to be based (not that that would make a difference to my value system, which is derived from G-d's Word alone). The Torah enjoins me to encourage non-Jews not to steal, to follow the law of the land, not to commit homosexuality, to be faithful to their wives, to have large families, promote belief in G-d's sovereignty, not to commit abortion, it discourages "family planning," etc., etc. This I regularly do, with increasing success, and I thank G-d for this opportunity, and the non-Jews whom I encounter are thankful to me for sharing G-d's law with them.
2005-04-28 14:52 | User Profile
Yehuda, You keep mentioning the Torah. What's your opinion of the Talmud?
2005-04-28 16:39 | User Profile
Yehuda, it looks to me that you are one of those who I call "the rel Jews" which consist of about 10% of those who call themselves "Jews", if that is the case then I have been looking for you for a long time.
As you know all that you actually read is written according to the belief of the writers and not according to the truth and the only way to gather the truth is to get the information about the subject from different places.
It is my uinderstanding that according to the "real" Jews they are not supposed to have a land or country till their savior comes back to Earth, I don't know who that is, so up till now I disagree with you when you say that Palestine was promissed to the Jews by the one that you call G-d.
Do you think that your God wants you to take over Palestine at this time?
Do you feel like I do that only 10% of Jews are real Jews?
Do you think that the other 90% of Jews are Khazards Zionists and not real Jews?
Do you feel that the (real) Jews were at peace with the Arabs in Palestine till the Zionist started to go there from Europe around 1932?
Do you feel that the Palestinians are your enemy?
I have a lot of more questions but those will do for now.....and if you are one of the real Jews then Shalom and Saalam Aleikum to you and welcome to this site.
PS: I will drive you crazy with my questions and at some time I might sound silly and ignorant to you but rather than being ignorant for ever I'd prefer to be ingnorant only one time Any time that I see the word "Shalom" from someone or they say it I use Saalam Aleikum in order to honor the Palestinian people.
2005-04-28 17:05 | User Profile
If you will be civil and polite, I'm happy to converse with you and do my best to answer your questions. Though please limit the number of questions you ask at once, and perhaps ask the mod to split your post into a new thread. I'll divide your questions into numbers.
1&2) The land of Israel is promised to the Jews in the Bible numerous times. True, it will only be given to them ultimately when the Messiah comes (according to the Torah he is yet to arrive), but even now it belongs to them, because G-d said so. I.e., the Torah doesn't say that a time will come when the Jews will become owners of the Land, but that they are already the owners, and a time will come when they will be granted full possession of the land, when the Messiah comes.
In any case, once G-d has, through tremendous miracles, granted the Jewish people areas of this land (not the whole thing, but alot of it), it would be spurning G-d's gift to relinquish it, and we dare not do that. We did not take the initiative to take it over--there was a war, started by the Arabs, and we won.
3&4) As I said above: Those who don't follow the Torah law have the Torah legal status of Jews, and they should thus be brought back to follow the law, but their behaviour is not "Jewish"; it's most "un-Jewish," and a disgrace to the Jewish people's noble ethical laws. Don't know what "Khazard" means.
5) Nope, the Arabs there hated the Jews there even before--witness the horrific Hebron massacre.
6) I have respect for every non-Jew, for all mankind are created in the image of G-d, and are thus precious to Him.
But if someone, Arab or otherwise, decides to go on a killing spree of Jews, then he makes himself an enemy by definition. If he respects the Jew's right to their G-d-given land, and is a good citizen, then I have no problem with him. If he incites bloodshed, we're going to have to ask him to leave, including launching pre-emptive attacks.
2005-04-28 18:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Yehuda]True, it will only be given to them ultimately when the Messiah comes (according to the Torah he is yet to arrive)[/QUOTE] Perhaps you could point out in the Torah exactly where it states this?
2005-04-29 02:18 | User Profile
[SIZE=5]....there was a war, started by the Arabs, and we won.[/SIZE]
An Israeli prime minister (I forget which one) was quoted as saying that it was jews who actually started the Six-Day War, constant judenpresse agitprop to the contrary notwithstanding.
[SIZE=5] I have respect for every non-Jew, for all mankind are created in the image of G-d, and are thus precious to Him. [/SIZE]
I'm relieved to hear it. Let's have your take on these choice gems from the Talmud:
*"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts." - Saba Mecia, 114, 6.
"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." - Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L.
"All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general." - Schalchan arach. Choszen Hasisxpat 348.
"The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings." - Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61.
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." - Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." - Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." - Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
Even the best of the Goyim should be killed. - Abhodah Zarah (25b)T*
[SIZE=5]If he respects the Jew's right to their G-d-given land, and is a good citizen, then I have no problem with him.[/SIZE]
What if he doesn't recognize that "right", do to a different interpretation of God's will (not to mention the fact that your Arab cousins occupied the land for over a thousand years)? What if he thinks he has at least as much "right" to the sandbox as jews do, and refuses to bow & scrape to the "real owners"?
2005-04-29 02:37 | User Profile
Ok Yehuda Saalam Aleikum, I can see by your answers that you are one of the Khazard Zionist and not one of the real 10% Jews.
That you don't know what a Khazar is? lolllllllllllllllllll.
A real Jew would be a anti-Zionist and would admit to the mistakes of the Zionists where you defend them.
I could tell you how the Israelis attacked the Egyptians after they were in retreat because the US asked them to do so and also about the killings in Lebanon by your hero of Sharon and about the US Liberty......but why? we all know that you are right and we are wrong.
You better walk straight while you are here because I'll be at your back.
Hey guys? get ready for a Jewish invasion of the OD Board, don't say that I din't tell you, the tactic of those people is to first send one and then the rest will follow.
2005-04-29 02:53 | User Profile
Why doesn't Israel give back the West Bank, a huge piece of land that Israel stole from the Palestinians during the 1967 Middle East war? [Israel started that war, by the way].
If Israel wants peace in the Middle East, why doesn't Israel return the land that it stole? Wouldn't that be the first step towards peace in the Middle East?
2005-04-29 03:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I genuinely have no problem with Jews in Israel, so long as they don't try to subvert American foreign policy.[/QUOTE] Israel is a National Socialist success story: it's a Nazi nation protecting its own race, and I praise it for doing that.
2005-04-29 04:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=neoclassical]Israel is a National Socialist success story: it's a Nazi nation protecting its own race, and I praise it for doing that.[/QUOTE]
I somewhat agree, although I don't agree with the characterisation of Israel as "National Socialist". It's simply a genuine Republic.
Israel is a perfect example of a ethnically/religiously aware nation-state that has the will and the means to pursue policies to guarantee it's own survival.
Israel unaplogetically proclaims it's identity as the Jewish national homeland. It does not pretend to be part of some kind of "universal civilisation" with no preference for one group over another, welcoming all equally. Israel tolerates a minority of Arab Muslims and Christians with equal rights under the law (not equal outcomes), but implements a policy of preferential immigration for Jews that ensures that it remains demographically overwhelmingly Jewish.
It has a no-nonsense policy towards national defense and border protection and pursues a foreign policy that is based around it's clear, objective national interests, not promoting amorphous ideological principles.
If a White European country had the balls to follow policies like these it would be a very beautiful thing indeed. My only complaint is that many Jews living in Western countries would decry this as "immoral" and "racist", which is an indefensible double-standard.
2005-04-29 05:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE][QUOTE=N.B. Forrest][SIZE=5].... I'm relieved to hear it. Let's have your take on these choice gems from the Talmud:
*"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts." - Saba Mecia, 114, 6.
"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." - Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L.
"All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general." - Schalchan arach. Choszen Hasisxpat 348.
"The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings." - Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61.
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." - Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." - Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." - Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
Even the best of the Goyim should be killed. - Abhodah Zarah (25b)T*[/QUOTE]
Great stuff, General Sir.
What say you to that, Yehuda?
Let me add one more question: all the great Zionists insist that all Jews should live in Israel. Herzl believed it was not only best for Jews that this should be so, but also that it would be best for gentiles that Jews would no longer live among them? Do you agree with that?
2005-04-29 05:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]I somewhat agree, although I don't agree with the characterisation of Israel as "National Socialist". It's simply a genuine Republic.
Israel is a perfect example of a ethnically/religiously aware nation-state that has the will and the means to pursue policies to guarantee it's own survival.
Israel unaplogetically proclaims it's identity as the Jewish national homeland. It does not pretend to be part of some kind of "universal civilisation" with no preference for one group over another, welcoming all equally. Israel tolerates a minority of Arab Muslims and Christians with equal rights under the law (not equal outcomes), but implements a policy of preferential immigration for Jews that ensures that it remains demographically overwhelmingly Jewish.
It has a no-nonsense policy towards national defense and border protection and pursues a foreign policy that is based around it's clear, objective national interests, not promoting amorphous ideological principles.
If a White European country had the balls to follow policies like these it would be a very beautiful thing indeed. My only complaint is that many Jews living in Western countries would decry this as "immoral" and "racist", which is an indefensible double-standard.[/QUOTE] Mega Dittos.