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2005-04-22 14:03 | User Profile
[font=Arial][size=4][color=#993333]Desilets to face charges in United States [/color][/size][/font][color=#666666][font=Arial]By Sara Withee / Daily News Staff Friday, April 22, 2005[/font][/color]
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[font=Arial][size=4]B[/size]ELLINGHAM -- After three years of battling extradition from Canada on charges of molesting altar boys, the Rev. Paul Desilets has abandoned his fight and is expected to step back on American soil today. [/font]
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Desilets, a former priest at Our Lady of Assumption Parish in Bellingham, launched his final appeal in the Supreme Court of Canada last month. Then, just days later, he changed course and filed notice he was abandoning his appeal, Worcester District Attorney John Conte said.[font=Arial] Although pleased, Conte said his office kept the development quiet because he was skeptical the fight was really over. [/font]
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Guylaine Lavigne, Desilets' attorney in Montreal, confirmed her client dropped the appeal, but refused to discuss his reasons. "We stopped the situation....It's now finished, and we're in the process of transferring him," she said.
Conte said he suspects Desilets recognized his time was nearly up.
"I think that he realized eventually, the court may not hear it," he said. "We had a very solid case from the standpoint of procedure."
Desilets was a priest at Bellingham's Assumption Parish for a decade, returning to his home country of Canada in 1984. His former altar boys allege he left behind a trail of abuse, which came to light in early 2002 with the rising of the Archdiocese of Boston's clergy sex abuse scandal.
While the statute of limitations kept authorities from charging many accused priests, Desilets was an exception because he had left the country.
Conte secured criminal charges on behalf of 18 victims and began seeking extradition in August 2002.
Saying Conte's office advised them not to speak to the Press, some of Desilets' alleged victims yesterday were reluctant to comment on the priest's return.
But Brian Corriveau said he expected the Supreme Court appeal process to take at least several months and is pleased that wasn't the case.
"I figured it was going to drag out long," Corriveau said. "It dragged out forever and a day before, and then I expected to not even see him brought here until August, September, October at least."
Others said the abuse was too upsetting to discuss yesterday.
"It's a painful ordeal," said Gloria Coon, whose son Scott is among Desilets' accusers. "It's unimaginable."
Coon said she wants to see some good result from Desilets' return.
"I just hope this brings closure to some of the men," she said. "Because I've talked to some of his friends who were molested, too, and it just breaks your heart."
Officials with the Archdiocese of Boston, to which the now-closed Assumption parish belonged, did not return a telephone call seeking comment yesterday. Assumption parish closed its South Bellingham church last year as part of the archdiocese's financial reorganization.
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2005-04-22 15:12 | User Profile
Isn't it true what they say about the people who publicly and privately hate what they truly are? For example, a homosexual who knows he is gay but publicly and privately denounces homosexuality? Looks like Stigmata is a proud Catholic but needs to stay in the closet lest he should be accused of having "unbecoming feelings".
2005-04-22 16:06 | User Profile
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2005-04-23 13:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]Isn't it true what they say about the people who publicly and privately hate what they truly are? [/QUOTE]Projection? Right out of the Jewish pseudo-science of psychoanalysis. Good to see who your intellectual masters are.
2005-04-23 14:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stigmata]Projection? Right out of the Jewish pseudo-science of psychoanalysis. Good to see who your intellectual masters are.[/QUOTE]
Seeing that your avatar is one of a pair of hands in the act of prayer, my assessments are justified.
2005-04-23 16:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie][color=magenta]Isn't it true what they say about the people...[/color] [color=#ff00ff].[/color] [/QUOTE] You mean all those anti-fags out there are really closet queers and all those nasty anti-semites are really secret Jews :caiphas: ?
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2005-04-24 06:41 | User Profile
Sure, Dr. Freud.
[QUOTE=Robbie]Seeing that your avatar is one of a pair of hands in the act of prayer, my assessments are justified.[/QUOTE]
2005-04-24 07:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]Isn't it true what they say about the people who publicly and privately hate what they truly are? For example, a homosexual who knows he is gay but publicly and privately denounces homosexuality? Looks like Stigmata is a proud Catholic but needs to stay in the closet lest he should be accused of having "unbecoming feelings".[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? I have always found this to be such a stupid analysis. Could you take this and apply it to anything? For example if you "hate" or disapprove of child molesters does that mean you are secretly repressing feelings of pedophilia? Or something simple like disapproving of adultry, does that indicate that you are repressing feelings of wanting to cheat on your spouse?
It should be a no-brainer that someone, obviously, who is Catholic,etc probably disapproves of homosexuality because of what it says in the Bible.
You need to learn quick that, yes, there are plenty of people who do not believe the accepted dogma of the day, that we are all equal and all lifestyles are equal. And no need to throw around the Jew psychology. "homophobia" is not a mental illness just because it says so in current psychology books. Not too long ago homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in those same type of books.
2005-04-24 18:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]What are you talking about? I have always found this to be such a stupid analysis. Could you take this and apply it to anything? For example if you "hate" or disapprove of child molesters does that mean you are secretly repressing feelings of pedophilia? Or something simple like disapproving of adultry, does that indicate that you are repressing feelings of wanting to cheat on your spouse?
It should be a no-brainer that someone, obviously, who is Catholic,etc probably disapproves of homosexuality because of what it says in the Bible.
You need to learn quick that, yes, there are plenty of people who do not believe the accepted dogma of the day, that we are all equal and all lifestyles are equal. And no need to throw around the Jew psychology. "homophobia" is not a mental illness just because it says so in current psychology books. Not too long ago homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in those same type of books.[/QUOTE]
Take a chill pill and talk to me when your period is finished.
2005-04-24 19:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]Take a chill pill and talk to me when your period is finished.[/QUOTE]
:yawn: I guess you don't have a sufficient counter argument to what I said.
2005-04-24 20:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]:yawn: I guess you don't have a sufficient counter argument to what I said.[/QUOTE]
What you said was plenty of hysteria and little of substance. You were PMS-ing after I spoke my piece about people hiding their true feelings about things; in this case, homosexuality. Explain the numbers of people who had to marry someone of the opposite sex just to cover their sexuality. There were plenty, and it still continues today. It is not unusual for people to publicly denounce something when on the inside it is a part of their lives. They have to contend with the majority view, and that is something that takes plenty of endurance.
2005-04-24 23:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]What you said was plenty of hysteria and little of substance. You were PMS-ing after I spoke my piece about people hiding their true feelings about things; in this case, homosexuality. Explain the numbers of people who had to marry someone of the opposite sex just to cover their sexuality. There were plenty, and it still continues today. It is not unusual for people to publicly denounce something when on the inside it is a part of their lives. They have to contend with the majority view, and that is something that takes plenty of endurance.[/QUOTE]Yes, there have been people who have married someone of the opposite sex who were, in fact, homosexual, so what? Is that something that really is happening in large numbers the way you make it sound, I think not. And yes, there is going to be some people who publicly denouce something that may be a part of their lives. some people are hypocrites, no big news flash there. But again you try to make it sound like this is something that is in the majority. People disapprove of homosexuality and most of those who do are NOT trying to hide any secret gay tendencies. You need to get past the PC word "homophobia" which indicates this is about fear. that is bull, and is used as a way to try to force the sheeple to accept the lifestyle, again going back to the "all people and lifestyles are equal" crap of the day. Again I have to ask do you think the same way about people who speak out against pedophilia or adultry,etc, you never did answer that question.
2005-04-25 02:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Yes, there have been people who have married someone of the opposite sex who were, in fact, homosexual, so what? Is that something that really is happening in large numbers the way you make it sound, I think not. And yes, there is going to be some people who publicly denouce something that may be a part of their lives. some people are hypocrites, no big news flash there. But again you try to make it sound like this is something that is in the majority. People disapprove of homosexuality and most of those who do are NOT trying to hide any secret gay tendencies. You need to get past the PC word "homophobia" which indicates this is about fear. that is bull, and is used as a way to try to force the sheeple to accept the lifestyle, again going back to the "all people and lifestyles are equal" crap of the day. Again I have to ask do you think the same way about people who speak out against pedophilia or adultry,etc, you never did answer that question.[/QUOTE]
My, this issue really makes your blood boil, doesn't it. First, how do you know I'm the type who believes in the concept of "homophobia"? You don't know who I am, and for the record, "homophobia" is literally translated to "fear of man", so this has nothing to do with espousing anti-homosexual attitudes. As for equating suppressing homosexual thoughts and tendencies with adultery (you spelled that wrong, btw) and pedophilia, you have really outdone yourself with that one. Why not add infidelity and racism to the list as well?
2005-04-25 03:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]My, this issue really makes your blood boil, doesn't it. First, how do you know I'm the type who believes in the concept of "homophobia"? You don't know who I am, and for the record, "homophobia" is literally translated to "fear of man", so this has nothing to do with espousing anti-homosexual attitudes. As for equating suppressing homosexual thoughts and tendencies with adultery (you spelled that wrong, btw) and pedophilia, you have really outdone yourself with that one. Why not add infidelity and racism to the list as well?[/QUOTE]I am not angry at all. But I could be lying, Dr. Freud. Maybe I have an "inner lesbian" that I am trying to keep well hidden, which is causing a lot of built up sexual tension that I release by speaking some not so kind words about homosexuals. LOL. Isn't that what the whole word "homophobia" has come to mean these days? If I am getting a little annoyed it is because you keep on dodging my question that I really want to hear the answer to.
2005-04-25 14:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]I am not angry at all. But I could be lying, Dr. Freud. Maybe I have an "inner lesbian" that I am trying to keep well hidden, which is causing a lot of built up sexual tension that I release by speaking some not so kind words about homosexuals. LOL. Isn't that what the whole word "homophobia" has come to mean these days? If I am getting a little annoyed it is because you keep on dodging my question that I really want to hear the answer to.[/QUOTE]
Keep making assumptions about me, starr. "Dr. Freud"? Whatever. What is this question you keep harping on about?
2005-04-25 22:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Robbie]Keep making assumptions about me, starr. "Dr. Freud"? Whatever. What is this question you keep harping on about?[/QUOTE]I am becoming bored with this conversation,:yawn: but this is what I was referring to:
[QUOTE]if you "hate" or disapprove of child molesters does that mean you are secretly repressing feelings of pedophilia? Or something simple like disapproving of adultery, does that indicate that you are repressing feelings of wanting to cheat on your spouse? [/QUOTE]BTW: I corrected my spelling just for you:tongue:
this also from earlier in the thread. Same type of question. LOL
[QUOTE]and all those nasty anti-semites are really secret Jews ?[/QUOTE]
2005-04-26 00:08 | User Profile
The Roman church has always had some problems with homo priests. However, the problem became a big one in the American branch of the church when Liberal clerics began to reject Conservative Catholic men for the priesthood and they took on "hippy-dippy" types. Stern moralists were (and are) turned away from the secular (normal diocease) priesthood. Of course, a good many of the hippies turned out to be rump-wranglers.
2005-04-26 00:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]The Roman church has always had some problems with homo priests. However, the problem became a big one in the American branch of the church when Liberal clerics began to reject Conservative Catholic men for the priesthood and they took on "hippy-dippy" types. Stern moralists were (and are) turned away from the secular (normal diocease) priesthood. Of course, a good many of the hippies turned out to be rump-wranglers.[/QUOTE]This could very well have something to do with the increase in this.. But I think, generally it is the more obvious thing of the priests not being able to have a normal sexual life. I would think that is naturally going to attract certain men who may know they have homosexual urges and our trying to keep them in check, so to speak. And obviously it is not working for many of them.
I think this whole thing is also a great indicater that homosexuals are more likely to become pedophiles then heterosexuals, since it is always, or at least usually, always boys that are getting molested, why no girls? Not that pedophiles, hetero or homo are not equally disgusting.
2005-04-26 12:32 | User Profile
Geoghan's Accused Killer Wants Charges Dismissed
Druce Claims He Was Victim Of Retaliation
WORCESTER, Mass. -- A judge in Worcester is hearing a bid from the accused killer of pedophile priest John Geoghan to have the charges dismissed.
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Joseph Druce claims prison officials retaliated against him by denying him access to his lawyer and removing legal documents from his cell. Druce says that made it impossible for him to participate in his own defense.
An official at the Sousa-Baranowski Correctional Center told the judge Monday that there was no retaliation against Druce and that prison policies were what prevented him from having a private visit with his attorney.
Druce -- already a convicted murderer -- is accused of beating and strangling Geoghan at the prison in August 2003. The defrocked priest was serving a nine- to 10-year sentence for fondling a boy.
The hearing in Worcester Superior Court is expected to wrap-up by Wednesday. [url="http://www.turnto10.com/news/4414012/detail.html"]http://www.turnto10.com/news/4414012/detail.html[/url]
2005-04-27 13:43 | User Profile
| [img]http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/04/27/1114596936_0903.jpg[/img] | The Rev. Anthony J. Laurano was arraigned yesterday in Plymouth Superior Court in Brockton on two counts of child rape. Laurano, a former pastor at St. Maryââ¬â¢s Parish in Plymouth, pleaded not guilty. (Globe Staff Photo / Tom Landers) |
| **Priest pleads not guilty to rape charges** **Laurano served Plymouth parish** By Ralph Ranalli, Globe Staff | April 27, 2005 An 80-year-old suspended priest was arraigned yesterday, accused of raping a boy twice on the same day 14 years ago at a church in Plymouth, officials said. |
On April 1, a Plymouth County grand jury indicted the Rev. Anthony J. Laurano, the former pastor of St. Mary's Parish, on two counts of child rape. The indictment charges that Laurano raped the 8-year-old boy the week before his first Holy Communion.
Laurano, who lives in Hull, pleaded not guilty to the charges in Plymouth Superior Court in Brockton and was released on his own recognizance yesterday morning, said Bridget Norton Middleton, a spokeswoman for Plymouth District Attorney Timothy Cruz. Superior Court Judge Suzanne DelVecchio also ordered Laurano to have no contact with children under age 18 and to stay away from the victim until the trial.
Laurano retired as pastor of St. Mary's in 1995. Two years ago, he was one of 48 priests placed on administrative leave or otherwise barred from ministry by the Catholic Archdiocese of Boston because they were facing allegations of sexual abuse.
Laurano's lawyer, Santina Gerber, agreed to the conditions of her client's release. She could not be reached for comment on the case.
A Boston lawyer, meanwhile, alleged yesterday that Laurano molested an 11-year-old boy back in 1968 when he was pastor of Sacred Heart Parish in Roslindale.
Carmen Durso said his client, now 48 years old, was molested twice by Laurano, once in a church rectory and again when the priest took him to a friend's house in Gloucester. Durso said his client, who served as an altar boy at Sacred Heart, was devastated by the abuse.
''He was pretty young, and this abuse had a profound effect on his life," Durso said of the man, who is one of 25 clients who have outstanding civil cases against the archdiocese alleging clergy sexual abuse. Durso filed the lawsuit in January.
In September 2003, more than 500 victims of abuse reached a historic $85 million agreement with the archdiocese to settle claims that church officials failed to prevent priests under their supervision from molesting children.
Durso said the lengthy period between the alleged abuse by Laurano shows that child abusers do not get less dangerous when they get older.
''This is a lesson that we can't just feel sorry for these older priests who are accused of abuse," Durso said.
''There is only one way to stop these guys, and that is to put them in a controlled environment and keep them there," Durso said.
Laurano's family lived in East Boston and later moved to Hull. According to a published obituary, he was one of seven children.
His mother, Rita, was a founding member of the East Boston chapter of the ladies auxiliary of the Xaverian Missionary Society of Holliston when the order moved to the United States from China in 1945. Laurano was quoted in the obituary as saying that his mother, who died in 1984, was given the honor of receiving Communion from Pope Paul VI in 1969.
Laurano was ordained in 1950, and St. Mary's was his first assignment. He later served at St. Catherine of Genoa Church in Somerville, Sacred Heart in Roslindale, and possibly other parishes before returning to St. Mary's, according to published reports.
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2005-04-27 14:12 | User Profile
Sexual Abuse in Social Context: Catholic Clergy and Other Professionals
[url]http://www.madisoncatholicherald.org/2004-03-04/natl-world.html[/url]
Putting it in perspective:
[QUOTE]The purpose of this special report is to put the recent scandal in the Catholic Church in perspective. It does not seek to exculpate anyone who had anything to do with priestly sexual misconduct, but it does seek to challenge those who continue to treat this issue in isolation. Indeed, to discuss the incidence of sexual abuse committed by Roman Catholic priests without reference to the level of offense found among the clergy of other religions, or to that of other professionals, is grossly unfair.
It is the belief of the Catholic League that no meaningful conversation can take place on this issue without having some baseline data regarding the incidence of abuse that occurs outside the Catholic Church. That was the sole intent of this special report, and if it contributes to that end, then it will have been a success.
William A. Donohue, Ph.D, president Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights
Priests
According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.
According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse.
In a database analysis of reports on more than 1,200 alleged victims of priests identified by USA Today, 85 percent were males. In another study by USA Today, it was determined that of the 234 priests who have been accused of sexual abuse of a minor while serving in the nation's 10 largest dioceses and archdioceses, 91 percent of their victims were males.
Much has been made of a survey done by the Dallas Morning News which claims that two-thirds of the nation's bishops have allowed priests accused of sexual abuse to continue working. But the problem with the survey is its definition of abuse - it includes everything from "ignoring warnings about suspicious behavior" to "criminal convictions." Thus, the survey is of limited utility.
Ministers
The data on the Protestant clergy tend to focus on sexual abuse in general, not on sexual abuse of children. Thus, strict comparisons cannot always be made. But there are some comparative data available on the subject of child sexual molestation, and what has been reported is quite revealing.
According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, "The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached 'horrific proportions.'" It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had "engaged in sexual intercourse with members" and nearly 40 percent had "acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior."
In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources.
The conclusion: "Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers."
Other clergy and professionals
Rabbi Arthur Gross Schaefer is a professor of law and ethics at Loyola Marymount University. It is his belief that sexual abuse among rabbis approximates that found among the Protestant clergy.
According to one study, 73 percent of women rabbis report instances of sexual harassment. "Sadly," Rabbi Schaefer concludes, "our community's reactions up to this point have been often based on keeping things quiet in an attempt to do 'damage control.'"
Conclusion
***The issue of child sexual molestation is deserving of serious scholarship. Too often, assumptions have been made that this problem is worse in the Catholic clergy than in other sectors of society.
This report does not support this conclusion. Indeed, it shows that family members are the most likely to sexually molest a child. It also shows that the incidence of the sexual abuse of a minor is slightly higher among the Protestant clergy than among the Catholic clergy, and that it is significantly higher among public school teachers than among ministers and priests.***
In a survey for the Wall Street Journal-NBC News, it was found that 64 percent of the public thought that Catholic priests frequently abused children.
This is outrageously unfair, but it is not surprising given the media fixation on this issue. While it would be unfair to blame the media for the scandal in the Catholic Church, the constant drumbeat of negative reporting surely accounts for these remarkably skewed results.
Without comparative data, little can be learned. Numbers are not without meaning, but they don't count for much unless a baseline has been established. Moreover, sexual misconduct is difficult to measure given its mostly private nature.[/QUOTE]
2005-04-29 07:34 | User Profile
News in brief from eastern Pennsylvania
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POTTSVILLE, Pa. - A Roman Catholic priest admitted he owned hundreds of child pornography photos, magazines, videotapes and DVDs and embezzled more than $23,000 from the church.
The Rev. Ronald J. Yarrosh, 57, formerly an assistant pastor at St. Ambrose Church in Schuylkill Haven, pleaded guilty Wednesday to charges of theft, receiving stolen property, criminal use of a communication facility and three counts of sexual abuse of children.
A plea agreement calls for Yarrosh to serve a three- to 23-month county prison sentence followed by 10 years' probation.
County President Judge William Baldwin deferred sentencing so Yarrosh could be evaluated to determine whether he's a sexual predator, which would require him to register with state police under Megan's Law. Baldwin said the state would have 90 days to complete the evaluation.
Yarrosh was freed on unsecured bail. He and his lawyer, Emmanuel H. Dimitriou, declined to comment.
The plea agreement calls for Yarrosh to pay $6,617 in restitution to St. Ambrose Church and $17,012 to the Catholic Mutual Group, a self-insurance fund of the Catholic Church. The Allentown Diocese relieved him of his duties on April 23, 2004, when he was charged. Matt Kerr, a spokesman for the diocese, said he knew of no plan to remove Yarrosh from the priesthood.
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