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2005-04-20 18:06 | User Profile
The neos never fail to disappoint. A few lines into the piece one sees "anti-Semitic" and "anti-American" next to one another, so that the two are forever stamped as synonyms in the minds of FOX News/Freeper cattle. From now on, our judgements of any nation must first pass through the filter of Jewish cultural prejudice and neoconservative agitprop. -AY
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Have you ever enjoyed a book so much youââ¬â¢d like to meet the author? Well, thatââ¬â¢s what the Arkansas Literary Festival is for. This year I got to meet the writer responsible for a delightful yet sobering polemic entitled Vile France: Fear, Duplicity, Cowardice and Cheese.
What true Francophobe could resist?
As it turns out, the author, Denis Boyles, is more of a Francophile. Why else would he and his family have spent the better part of three years living in France? Itââ¬â¢s not the French but their government he despises. Why? Well, let him explain: "What we mistakenly see as a craven, anti-Semitic, insecure, hypocritical, hysterically anti-American, selfish, over-taxed, culturally exhausted country bereft of ideas, fearful of its own capitulation to Islam, headed for a demographic cul de sac, corrupted by lame ideologies, clinging to unsupportable entitlements, crippled by a spirit-stomping social elite and up to its neck in a cheesy soufflé of multilayered bureaucracy is actually worse than all that. Itââ¬â¢s vile." What better summation of Perfidious Gaul for those of us who havenââ¬â¢t tasted a French wine since the current unpleasantness in Iraq began?
Happily, the Australian shirazes make a more than adequate substitute, especially Black Opal with its satisfying bite. Itââ¬â¢s a splendid way to do your part for Our Gallant Allies. If only the Brits or Poles or Ukrainians had a great vintage to offer. Happily, the Italians do. Itââ¬â¢s hard to beat a pale, dry Orvieto in the spring, and ââ¬â¢tis the season! Denis Boylesââ¬â¢ equally astringent book would make the perfect complement.
Vile France appeals to our most cherished prejudices about the land that gave us Pierre Laval, Jacques Chirac, the insufferable Dominique de Villepin, and all the snails you can eat. Reading it is a wicked pleasure.
You may think the author is perhaps exaggerating the shortcomings of the French. I can understand. That was pretty much my reaction many years ago when my immigrant grandmother solemnly informed me that the French were a barbarous people. It seems sheââ¬â¢d spent a few years with her daughters in Paris before getting to America in August of 1939 ââ¬â a very good year for a poor, aging Jewess to leave Europe.
Even as a boy, I thought her opinion of the French amusing, since Bubba Rosa ââ¬â thatââ¬â¢s Grandma Rose in the vernacular ââ¬â was not exactly cosmopolitan herself. She not only came from what must have been the smallest shtetl (Jewish village) in Poland ââ¬â actually, she was from outside it ââ¬â but she could have arrived directly from the Middle Ages with her tales of demons and angels who would follow me everywhere and report my every misdeed.
The basis of Bubba Rosaââ¬â¢s animadversions on the French? Zey essen affen gasse, she would say in her native Yiddish, absolutely disgusted. They eat in the street! Boy, what I wouldnââ¬â¢t give for a good crusty baguette to chew one right now, or maybe a leisurely meal at a sidewalk café accompanied by a good Italian redââ¬Â¦ .
But after reading Vile France, Iââ¬â¢m beginning to think Bubba Rosa might have been on to something. The book is a short but comprehensive view of French diplomacy (cynical in every way), French government (a corrupt product of an incestuous elite), the French press (government-subsidized, thoroughly corrupt, ideologically blind, and traditionally bought-and-paid-for), French secularism (a holy faith and a jealous god), and the whole French pose and obsession as the Non-America, which would be scary if one could take France seriously.
So when asked to introduce Denis Boyles at this yearââ¬â¢s literary festival, I was expecting a fire-breathing young wordsmith with a verbal stiletto up his sleeve, and wearing his politics on it. Someone quite capable of administering the coup de grace to anybody who got in his way, including the guy assigned to introduce him.
Instead, Denis Boyles turns out to be a soft-spoken, well-mannered gentleman much taken with the South who was a year behind comic Steve Martin at Garden Grove (Calif.) High School. Having got his masterââ¬â¢s at Johns Hopkins, he would teach English here and abroad before the State Department signed him up to read his poetry on tour with a band called Eggs Over Easy. (It was the ââ¬â¢ 70s.) Soon he was writing for Playboy, Esquire and less reliable publications like the New York Times. These days he keeps up with the European press for National Review Online and turns out engaging books about his travels.
Mr. Boylesââ¬â¢ next book, he tells me, is going to be about another exotic region, the plains of Kansas and Nebraska. Working title: Whatââ¬â¢s Right with Kansas. Sounds good. And overdue. It should be the perfect antidote to both French politics and those who would like to duplicate them here. That includes one Thomas Frank, the author of the recent cri de coeur that ripped off the title of William Allen Whiteââ¬â¢s classic 1896 editorial, "Whatââ¬â¢s the Matter With Kansas?"
These days, according to Mr. Frank, the matter with Kansas, and maybe with American democracy in general, is that the damned Demos doesnââ¬â¢t know whatââ¬â¢s good for it, namely, left-wing politics. And the American people, stupid as they are sovereign, have would up voting against their own interests. Some of us can hardly wait for Denis Boylesââ¬â¢ evisceration of that vile theory, too.
2005-04-20 20:59 | User Profile
The main reason the Neo-cons hate the French is that they are the most Nationalistic people in Europe. They are Nationalist, not so much in the political sense, but in a cutural context. Even French Leftists have a great love and pride in the French nation. All that Liberte. Egalite and Fraternity stuff is mere puffery. French village life is worshipped and idolized, The rootless Jew hates this attitude viscerally.
LONG LIVE THE MEMORY OF THE GREAT CHARLES MAURRAS!!!!!!!
2005-04-21 02:34 | User Profile
There is a global game that is played these days. It involves following the New World Order, also known as the Jew World Order. The New World Order mainly involves 1) pretending that all human races [and genders] are equal; 2) doing whatever is good for the Jews.
Those who follow the New World Order are seldom criticized. Those who don't follow it are called "anti-American," "undemocratic," "fascist," etc. And sometimes, countries that don't follow the New World Order are actually attacked by the American and/or UN-sponsored military, e.g. Serbia and Iraq.
2005-04-21 08:24 | User Profile
Did the neocons' hatred of France precede the Iraq invasion? My impression has been that the neocons began to vilify France because the French (rightly) opposed the invasion. It never mattered to them that even nations whose governments sent troops to aid the US (e.g., Poland, Spain) had population majorities that opposed involvement in the war.
I still remember all the crap about "Freedom Fries" and the like. Doesn't that bit of Orwellian fervor seem like it was so long ago? And then there were those who made a show of emptying bottles of French wine on the ground. There's one word to describe those people: CLOWNS. They don't deserve to drink good wine, anyway.
2005-04-21 12:53 | User Profile
The French people are also about to reject the EU Constitution referendum. Currently, more than 50% of the French are going to vote [I]non[/I] on that NWO Zionist EU Constitution. Also, the fact that Jean-Marie Le Pen and his National Front exist as a viable party in France is enough reason for the Jews and their lapdogs to get their panties all twisted.
Also, there are [U]no[/U] wines better than French Bordeaux's or Burgundy's.
F*ck the Freepers and Vive la France!
2005-04-21 13:16 | User Profile
While the French can be a general pain in the ass at times, especially when they refuse to answer you in anything but their native language, I have it on very good authority that France continues to covertly help coalition forces in the war with valuable intelligence info but it was better for all concerned that France appeared to be uninvolved and anti-war.
2005-04-21 18:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=DakotaBlue]While the French can be a general pain in the ass at times, especially when they refuse to answer you in anything but their native language .[/QUOTE]
That's what the Americans should be doing when in the presence of [B]La Raza[/B].
2005-04-22 05:39 | User Profile
How many times in the last several decades have the French rescued Western Missionaries from some African cesspool when the natives are about to throw these egalitarian idiot's into the cooking pot?
They were also nice enough to run over the Greenpeace boat with one of their navy's destroyers a few years ago.
And to top it off, there is always Jean LePen, a shining example of what could be for nationalists of all stripes, if only we would put aside silly arguments that are really meaningless in the long run.
2005-04-22 20:31 | User Profile
Jewish neocons distrust France just a little less than they do a revitalized Germany. Switzerland is also suspect. Jewish business people have told me so in candor since suspicions of Jews are commanplace in all countries. These suspicians can easily be magnified into anti-Semitism which all Jews feel fester beneath the surface of all Euros. Bluntly put, Jews do not experience the comfort in these lands that they feel in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Anti-Jewish slogans can remain spraypainted on buildings for a long time before being hosed off. In America, such activity is likely to make the 11pm news with contrite anchor people telling the story.
2005-04-22 22:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]How many times in the last several decades have the French rescued Western Missionaries from some African cesspool when the natives are about to throw these egalitarian idiot's into the cooking pot? [/QUOTE]
I don't believe those were missionaries, BK, but rather college students. Maybe humanitarian workers, but I'm fairly sure it was college students.
No Christian missionaries would need rescuing by the French military.
2005-04-22 23:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident] No Christian missionaries would need rescuing by the French military.[/QUOTE]
Why is this?
2005-04-23 02:22 | User Profile
French helping missionaries:
[url]http://www.kidsnewsroom.org/newsissues/092702/index.asp?page=AroundWorld[/url]
AROUND THE WORLD 1: French Soldiers Rescue Students
Living far away from home can be exciting. But it can also be scary. For children at the International Christian Academy in Bouake, Ivory Coast, living far from home has been both exciting and scary lately.
Bouake, a city of 500,000 people has recently become the center of rebel fighting in the Ivory Coast. Rebels have taken over the city. Water, electricity, and food were all cut off. The students at the International Christian Academy were trapped at their school. There was too much fighting nearby for them to leave the school.
But, on September 26, French troops were able to reach the school and take everyone to safety. There were 160 children in the school, including 101 Americans. The school was a boarding school, which meant that students, teachers and the teachers' families all lived there together. Most of the students' parents are missionaries serving in West Africa.
The students were very happy to finally be rescued. As they drove away from the school they shouted "Vive la France," which means, "Long live France." The French took the students to the Ivory Coast capital city of Yamoussoukro. U.S. cargo planes flew them to the nearby country of Ghana.
The rebel uprising began September 18. Officials aren't certain yet what caused the violence, but they think it was began by a group of ex-soldiers who were angry that they were removed from the army. French and U.S. troops are working together to end the fighting.
-Written by Cate Dunham
[url]http://www.fas.org/man/crs/crs_931007.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]1991 -- Zaire. On September 25-27, 1991, after widespread looting and rioting broke out in Kinshasa, U.S. Air Force C-141s transported 100 Belgian troops and equipment into Mnshasa. U.S. planes also carried 300 French troops into the Central African Republic and hauled back American citizens and third country nationals from locations outside Zaire[/QUOTE]
From the following article: [url]http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Soldiers.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Black Africans have shown they are incapable or unwilling to aid their neighbors. Each time there is a crisis, non- Africans most send food, aid, money and relief workers. Big, wealthy nations like Nigeria and South Africa, who have large armed forces, transport aircraft and ample doctors, leave cleaning up African messes to the west. So long as white do-gooders keep rushing to rescue black Africans from disasters created by their own regimes, disasters will continue.
The west would do Africa a favor by refusing any more aid, demand African leaders stop looting their treasuries, and sort out their own problems. For good example, Angola, if properly run, alone could feed all of black Africa. [/QUOTE]
The above article also discusses the competition between French and American interests in gaining control of natural resources in Africa.
2005-04-23 15:00 | User Profile
I too am puzzled by the popularized animosity towards France in particular. Germany and Russia were every bit as opposed to the Iraq invasion.
There is a popular perception of the French as wimps, often by people who've never seen a troop of Legionnaires or a French rugby side.
2005-04-23 15:25 | User Profile
The Jewish Neocons have never forgiven the French for the Dreyfuss affair. And for Petain. Americans in general have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the French. That's where a lot of the France-hating bile comes from.
The only reason to despise the French today is for their surrender to mass non-white immigration and multiculturalism.
2005-04-23 16:14 | User Profile
Organized Jewry enjoy setting European derived people against each other generally, and the francophobe soil is already receptive in boobus America anyway.
2005-04-23 19:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]The Jewish Neocons have never forgiven the French for the Dreyfuss affair. And for Petain. Jews never forgive anyone for anything, including for the things that they haven't done yet but which Jews assume (rightly, based on inevitable outraged reactions to Jewish behavior) they will do in future. > Americans in general have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the French. That's where a lot of the France-hating bile comes from.
The only reason to despise the French today is for their surrender to mass non-white immigration and multiculturalism.[/QUOTE] Americans inherited Francophobia from the English. It's not been a constant in American history - in fact America was always very pro-French up until after WWII when we displaced Britain and France as the "leader of the free world" - but it was always there just under the surface and never went away entirely.
The neo-cons are just tapping into that, for their own reasons. It's pretty amazing really, since unlike the English we've had very little real conflict with or contact with France until recently. Just goes to show you old cultural prejudices never really go away, they just hibernate for a while. Jews have a nose for these things and know how to revive them for their own purposes. As previous poster said, they gain advantage by setting the goyim at each other's throats.
2005-04-27 13:33 | User Profile
I think the main reason the Neocons hate the French today is DeGaulle's decision to suspend military aid after the Six Day War. France was their main supplier due to French guilt over Vichy. If one really wanted to hate the French, and I use the expression in a narrow sense, it would be for helping Israel get the bomb. Needless to say, this is something the Neocons don't wish for people to know.
2005-04-27 14:25 | User Profile
I must confess that being a Kiwi I've always been a bit of a frog-hater, ever since the Rainbow Warrior affair occurred when I was a kid. Greenpeace may be basically a communist outfit but bombing a ship while in a NZ port (and killing someone) isn't something I can easily forgive them for. Also the bastards knocked us out of the '99 World Cup (although we bet them last time we played).
I guess I can say I was a Francophobe "before it was cool" :) That said the anti-French sentiment whipped up by Fox news et al in the runup to the Iraq War is ridiculous.
Those who claim that France is a bastion of nationalism are kidding themselves I think. France has an even further advanced case of the multiculturalist cancer than the USA or almost anywhere else. And the kind of self-loathing anti-Western intellectual toxins secreted by the leftist French "intelligensia" rival anything produced by Jewish Marxists in their destructiveness.
2005-04-27 15:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]I think the main reason the Neocons hate the French today is DeGaulle's decision to suspend military aid after the Six Day War. France was their main supplier due to French guilt over Vichy. If one really wanted to hate the French, and I use the expression in a narrow sense, it would be for helping Israel get the bomb. Needless to say, this is something the Neocons don't wish for people to know.[/QUOTE]
You would think that the neocons would show a little more gratitude to France for its part in assisting the Zionist bomb project, but now as ever their mantra is "it's not what you've done for me before, it's what you've done for me lately and can do for me in the future." The last 20 years of history are littered with the remains of former neocon clients who were stabbed in the back by their patrons when they outlived their usefulness.
2005-04-27 17:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper] I guess I can say I was a Francophobe "before it was cool" That said the anti-French sentiment whipped up by Fox news et al in the runup to the Iraq War is ridiculous. [/QUOTE]
I don't consider myself Francophobic, though I don't think the rivalry and occasional enmity between France and Anglo nations is going to disappear anytime soon. And I do think it is possible to draw a distinction between what you describe and the current anti-French trends. Perhaps I am pro-French in a general sense, though I wonder if it is possible to be particularly Francophilic without being to some degree Anglophobic. Some also seem to think being pro-French is somehow an antidote to various American problems. That is quite obviously naive.
[QUOTE] Those who claim that France is a bastion of nationalism are kidding themselves I think. France has an even further advanced case of the multiculturalist cancer than the USA or almost anywhere else. [/QUOTE] The same is probably true for much of Europe. European nationalists, on internet forums especially, often like to condescendingly taunt Americans by pushing the "Europe as home of blood and soil nationalism" line. This proved quite laughable when the Iberian nations went on to elect Socialist Party governments. France in especial may well be unrivaled for producing looney leftism.
2005-04-27 17:48 | User Profile
Who here has been to France?
You'd find out quick that the USA is in much further and steeper decline than France is, just from your initial impressions of Roissy/CDG airport. Yea, there's problems there, however, the general quality of life for Whites is pretty darn good.....for now. For instance, France does not have "affirmative action" employment laws....for now. The USA openly discriminates against Whites, so already, France is ahead.....for now. Yes, loony leftists exist in France but so does the National Front.
Quality of life for Whites in the 'Kwa are.....well, I don't need to explain. And that's what it's really all about, quality of life, [I]n'est-ce pas[/I]?
2005-04-27 19:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead] Yes, loony leftists exist in France but so does the National Front.
[/QUOTE] And the difference is that those leftists sometimes form the government.
2005-04-27 20:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=robinder]And the difference is that those leftists sometimes form the government.[/QUOTE]
The Far Left in France may do better than it does in the US, but so does the Far Right.
The French National Front is far ahead of any American rightist movement (by which I mean the authentic, racially aware Right, not the anti-racist, plutocratic frauds in the GOP). In the primaries of the French election, Jean Marie Le Pen won something close to 20% of the general vote. When Pat Buchanan (who is to the left of Le Pen) ran as a third party candidate, he couldn't even win 1%, and I doubt that somebody more hardline would have done much better.
The mass media sees to it that the public has a fear of "extremism" (defined as any worldview that threatens the rule of the present elite) drummed into them. The very factors that make Communism possible in France also make Nationalism possible, while the forces that keep the CPUSA in check also prevent a David Duke or even a Pat Buchanan from ever breaking through.
2005-04-27 21:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]The Far Left in France may do better than it does in the US, but so does the Far Right.
[/QUOTE] The far left coalition of the Communist and Socialist parties sometimes does form the government of France, I think they are led by the Trotskyite whose name I forget. The government goes back and forth between them and the mainstream rightist coalition to which Chirac's party belongs. This can't be said of Le Pen's party. They do have some success in local government, yes.
The CPUSA is something of a joke, even within the leftist community. They now endorse Democrats for office. More serious Communists prefer the weird Maoist outfits like the Progressive Labor Party and the Revolutionary Communist Party.
2005-05-06 23:34 | User Profile
The French people are also about to reject the EU Constitution referendum. Currently, more than 50% of the French are going to vote non on that NWO Zionist EU Constitution.
I would not bet on that, recent polls slighly showed the opposite and pro-Constitution propaganda is monopolistic in the media. And I do not think it has jewish inspiration. There is even an important ethnic reference, probably instiled by Germans (always a two-way thing), but I am still for the No.
Also, the fact that Jean-Marie Le Pen and his National Front exist as a viable party in France is enough reason for the Jews and their lapdogs to get their panties all twisted.
Our Jews are at 70% sepharads who have not the cleverness and influence of American Askenazim. BTW, spouses of JM Le Pen and Bruno Mégret are half-jewish. And the Jews are currently having a hard time with our Blacks and Arabs and I suspect many of them will do like in Flanders : 60% of them vote for the Vlaams Belang. But as everywhere, jewish intellectuals are more on the negative side ...
Also, there are no wines better than French Bordeaux's or Burgundy's.
While Californians and Australians were only able to master strange beverages ten years ago, they became very competitive faster than expected, and I must say often comparable. I admit that a french wine is no more required for a tasty experience, unless you are especially into it, which is understandable. Tip : For a woman, take a red wine from "La Loire" (light and strong at the same time, often cheaper). No white wine, she will have a headache.
While the French can be a general pain in the ass at times, especially when they refuse to answer you in anything but their native language,
Vraiment, je ne vois pas ce que vous insinuez. Et même, devons-nous changer?
Did the neocons' hatred of France precede the Iraq invasion? My impression has been that the neocons began to vilify France because the French (rightly) opposed the invasion. It never mattered to them that even nations whose governments sent troops to aid the US (e.g., Poland, Spain) had population majorities that opposed involvement in the war.
Poland did it to get an airforce with cheaper F-16, Spain and Italy to get support from their populations with a victory performed by others, Japan to make the first military intervention since WW2, Ukraine to obtain loans, ... etc. Only the English were serious, but I suspect their willing was rooted in blood friendship rather than true adhesion. May I whisper that having foes like France is better than opportunistic friends? Not once your media reported we were in Afghanistan.
I still remember all the crap about "Freedom Fries" and the like. Doesn't that bit of Orwellian fervor seem like it was so long ago? And then there were those who made a show of emptying bottles of French wine on the ground. There's one word to describe those people: CLOWNS. They don't deserve to drink good wine, anyway.
A proverb of my country says : All that is excessive is ridiculous. We did not pay a lot of attention to this blatant manipulation and we did not think Americans really believed it. By the way, our hardcore leftists spread the equivalent gross caricature of WASP America.
I have it on very good authority that France continues to covertly help coalition forces in the war with valuable intelligence info but it was better for all concerned that France appeared to be uninvolved and anti-war.
Anyway 6000 of our men are permanently requisitioned in Africa to prevent another random tribal warfare, therefore we would have not been able to go to Iraq. Our forces are not designed to send an expeditionnary corps of more than 10.000 marines. Thereon, Iraqi Freedom's objectives are still highly debattable, notwithstanding long-term benefits for the average American. But since you trampled on the ant-hill before Saddam's death, there is nothing left to do than sharing experience. Some arab governements are good sell-outs and fear both Americans and Djihadists.
That's what the Americans should be doing when in the presence of La Raza.
Obviously, La Raza dares things that even our most fundamentalist muslims would not attempt to on open ground. How can you even tolerate an organization called "La Raza"?
They were also nice enough to run over the Greenpeace boat with one of their navy's destroyers a few years ago.
Oops! How can we be so thoughtless?
And to top it off, there is always Jean LePen, a shining example of what could be for nationalists of all stripes, if only we would put aside silly arguments that are really meaningless in the long run.
Shining is a word too strong though I vote for the National Front, but I go with your opinion.
Anti-Jewish slogans can remain spraypainted on buildings for a long time before being hosed off.
Neocons told you that but in fact they cannot.
In America, such activity is likely to make the 11pm news with contrite anchor people telling the story.
We hear it in loop during two days with a speech from the prime minister, more debates on TV in the evening, followed by a documentary on Holocaust. Now we are mastering the jewish genocide at an unbelievable level, almost all french pupils went to Auschwitz and met deportees in the classrom once. They are going a bit too far, many are prone to get tired.
The above article also discusses the competition between French and American interests in gaining control of natural resources in Africa.
Competition do exist, but is by far exaggerated (as the ressources). Americans have no experience with black Africans and are not likely to go again in the same mess as in Somalia.
I too am puzzled by the popularized animosity towards France in particular. Germany and Russia were every bit as opposed to the Iraq invasion.
The animosity dates back to the napoleonic wars and is easier to awake. It remains a very strange behaviour because you cannot draw at all a parallel with our feelings. Actually, we love the English since WW1. In regards to Iraq, France was just a screen for the others.
The Jewish Neocons have never forgiven the French for the Dreyfuss affair. And for Petain.
I do not think so. They just hate our soft policy towards the Arab world. Israël is not the center of the world, that is all. No hate, no prejudice, realism.
Americans in general have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis the French.
I should be proud but I wonder why.
The only reason to despise the French today is for their surrender to mass non-white immigration and multiculturalism.
Actually multiculturalism is not something we are fond of compared to England and the USA. But you are correct about the hordes of black and brown people that poured in the country.
If one really wanted to hate the French, and I use the expression in a narrow sense, it would be for helping Israel get the bomb. Needless to say, this is something the Neocons don't wish for people to know
The worst of all : we did quickly it with no other reason than a too generous, too spontaneous and unilateral assistance, which we are usually and shamefully a bit greedy.
I must confess that being a Kiwi I've always been a bit of a frog-hater, ever since the Rainbow Warrior affair occurred when I was a kid. Greenpeace may be basically a communist outfit but bombing a ship while in a NZ port (and killing someone) isn't something I can easily forgive them for.
I feel sorry for the death of this person and for the offence against New Zealand. But sometimes dirty work must be done in a dirty manner, though elsewhere. I do not remember but I do hope we made reparations (for New Zealand).
Those who claim that France is a bastion of nationalism are kidding themselves I think. France has an even further advanced case of the multiculturalist cancer than the USA or almost anywhere else. And the kind of self-loathing anti-Western intellectual toxins secreted by the leftist French "intelligensia" rival anything produced by Jewish Marxists in their destructiveness.
We are not flag-waving guys, as most Europeans. But multiculturalism is not a very vivid concept here and certainly not the altar praised in the anglo-saxon world, albeit we have a terrific immigration that bypassed all acceptable levels. Our elite wants us to be "universal" (but guilty of course), which is perhaps worse than multicultural but far more repellent for the common French.
I don't consider myself Francophobic, though I don't think the rivalry and occasional enmity between France and Anglo nations is going to disappear anytime soon.
Love is all about honeymoons and ructions, so why ending such a tantalizing folklore? ;) I watched "Master and Commander" and liked it, but -Why does Hollywood think we cannot build our ships ourselves? -Why must we be always represented tanned and dark-haired, almost like Arabs? I am blue-eyed blond.
I think they are led by the Trotskyite whose name I forget.
Lionel Jospin who just retired one hour after the 2002 election results.
You'd find out quick that the USA is in much further and steeper decline than France is, just from your initial impressions of Roissy/CDG airport.
The whole parisian conubartion looks like a miniaturized California with its own South LA in the north and all the joys of diversity you can imagine. Roughly it is 25-30% non-white, somewhere 5%, elsewhere 80%. So if you want to visit Paris, Lyon or Marseille, go rather buy a DVDROM if you cannot stand non-whites, but if you want to see France, rent a car and enjoy almost all other areas. Myself I will never go to LA or New York to meet Jamaïcans or Chicanos, even if I can tolerate to deal with Blacks in Louisiana or Virginia. One of my friend went to Detroit to cross the "8 mile" and showed me unbelievable pictures : the major part of the town collapsed into almost a third world zone, including this street.
2005-05-07 00:22 | User Profile
Salut, Howling Privateer, comment ca va? C'est genial de vous voir ici.
[QUOTE]While Californians and Australians were only able to master strange beverages ten years ago, they became very competitive faster than expected, and I must say often comparable. I admit that a french wine is no more required for a tasty experience, unless you are especially into it, which is understandable. Tip : For a woman, take a red wine from "La Loire" (light and strong at the same time, often cheaper). No white wine, she will have a headache.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to French red wines from Bordeaux or Bourgogne, one doesn't have to really pay alot of money for a great bottle of delicious wine. $10-14 dollars will get you a fine wine whereas even a respectable bottle of California red will cost at least $20-25. Australian reds tend to be very good for a reasonable price. As for reds from Val de la Loire, when I travelled there and stayed on a 17 Century "vignoble", the specialty wine there was a red Gamay and my wife and I drank it every night. The white Vouvray is not too bad and went well with seafood.
[QUOTE]The whole parisian conubartion looks like a miniaturized California with its own South LA in the north and all the joys of diversity you can imagine. Roughly it is 25-30% non-white, somewhere 5%, elsewhere 80%. So if you want to visit Paris, Lyon or Marseille, go rather buy a DVDROM if you cannot stand non-whites, but if you want to see France, rent a car and enjoy almost all other areas. Myself I will never go to LA or New York to meet Jamaïcans or Chicanos, even if I can tolerate to deal with Blacks in Louisiana or Virginia. One of my friend went to Detroit to cross the "8 mile" and showed me unbelievable pictures : the major part of the town collapsed into almost a third world zone, including this street.[/QUOTE]
Well, being to France numerous times, it is interesting to see that some areas of the Paris ring are up to 80% non-White. That's a good thing, in a certain way, because there's some sort of segregation of the non-Whites and White French can establish their own living area. In the heart of Paris, I felt that Montmartre was where I saw the most non-Whites, and the section where Cimitiere Pere Lachaisse is located is a little gloomy looking, but in the Latin Quarter, St Germain, Montparnasse, Elysee, Ile de la Cite, Ile St Louis, & 16th Arrondissement, I felt like for such a large international city, the French have done an exceptional job in keeping the city safe and clean. The Metro in Paris is the best system I've ever seen. In NYC for example, no matter where you go, there will be non-Whites [U]everywhere[/U] and if you take the Metro/Subway as a tourist, you will be guaranteed to get lost or end up in a neighborhood where it looks like Santo Domingo, Domincan Republic. I did not feel that in Paris at all. Haven't been to Marseille though.
But when I was really amazed in France was when we rented a car and drove to Normandy and Loire Valley. Virtually no non-Whites at all. Maybe a few in Tours, but not threatening at all. A Chinese restaurant in Loche was the only ethnic restaurant we saw outside of Paris.
Beautiful country, France. Hope you can keep it that way. However, I'm praying that the United States can be a better place, one in which I can have some pride in again and where it can offer Whites a better hope for the future.
2005-05-07 02:11 | User Profile
Howling Privateer,
An excellent first post and welcome to the board. You spent some time in writing it. I'll add this, The German dislike for the French goes back a little further than Napoleon. I would go back to Louis XIV with his wars to gain defensible borders along the Rhine. There was quite a bit of fighting in the Rhineland area.
2005-05-07 13:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=robinder]More serious Communists prefer the weird Maoist outfits like the Progressive Labor Party and the Revolutionary Communist Party.[/QUOTE]
I've never known much about the RCP, but I used to be a fairly regular reader of Challenge: The Journal of Revolutionary Communism (albeit the library's copy; I would NEVER give a cent to those worthless bastards), and they frankly kind of scare me (although I suspect that is what they were trying to do, which implies we actually have little to fear from them).
In any event, they seem to have a real love affair with political violence per se. They seem to specialize in hanging out on community college campuses in southern California and attempting to provike conservative-types into maing statements they can interpret as "racist," and then beating up the poor guy. It may well never rise above that sort of thing (although some of the anti-immigration protesters they beat up on back on the 4th of July a few years ago were pretty seriously hurt; the police present did little or nothing, naturally), but if they ever get busted for attempting to aid Al-Qaeda or whatnot, I shan't be very surprised.
2005-05-07 16:52 | User Profile
Salut, Howling Privateer, comment ca va? C'est genial de vous voir ici.
The pleasure is all mine.
When it comes to French red wines from Bordeaux or Bourgogne, one doesn't have to really pay alot of money for a great bottle of delicious wine. $10-14 dollars will get you a fine wine whereas even a respectable bottle of California red will cost at least $20-25.
I am meeting a connoisseur! Taxes and shipping accounted, it seems fair. I always thought it was overpriced. I also know that Californians use the best vine from south west of France, then if they are not into watering they can only make good products.
That's a good thing, in a certain way, because there's some sort of segregation of the non-Whites and White French can establish their own living area.
We have our own slower version of "white flight" and segregation (subsidized relocation).
The Metro in Paris is the best system I've ever seen.
He looks hot in summer, smelly and dirty for me. Try line nð4 next time and experience the african sweat. In Lille or Strasbourg, metro is fully automatic and safer.
However, I'm praying that the United States can be a better place, one in which I can have some pride in again and where it can offer Whites a better hope for the future.
There is still plenty of room for american America, but the main problem is your chicano immigration and your cheap labour visa system. I saw a documentary, any young people with two feets, gripper or showel, and five liters of water can cross the fence and go for a walk into USA. One European come usually alone or with his wife but guys like Hindus bring their whole extended family shortly afterwards.
But you should not be ashamed. I do not want you to miss the lovely country you could have seen a few miles from Roissy. A picture is worth a thousand words so I bring you a typical rap video.
[url]ftp://ftp2.tandematique.com/tandematique/93Hardcore_Divx.zip[/url] (40Mb)
If you do not have a high bandwidth connection, these pictures speak for themselves.
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=bagdad0ut.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/201/bagdad0ut.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] French from the north
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=washingtondc8eu.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/971/washingtondc8eu.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] French from the south
[URL=http://img105.echo.cx/my.php?image=village1mh.jpg][IMG]http://img105.echo.cx/img105/9219/village1mh.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] A french village
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=frenchflag5yu.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/4337/frenchflag5yu.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] French worship their national symbol : The french flag?
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=eroticism0ig.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/1180/eroticism0ig.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] I will f* France until it loves me.The french motto?
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=eroticism24jh.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/5808/eroticism24jh.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Well-known natural eroticism of frenchmen. How sophisticated!
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=fauna1ns.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/9665/fauna1ns.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] French respect fauna.
[URL=http://img43.echo.cx/my.php?image=detroit25fq.jpg][IMG]http://img43.echo.cx/img43/5558/detroit25fq.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] The french architecture : Detroit-sur-Seine
[URL=http://img105.echo.cx/my.php?image=detroit37vc.jpg][IMG]http://img105.echo.cx/img105/3467/detroit37vc.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] More Detroit-sur-Seine
[URL=http://img28.echo.cx/my.php?image=capitalism44vx.jpg][IMG]http://img28.echo.cx/img28/3964/capitalism44vx.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Obviously bad american influence, the only french weakness for sure.
I'll add this, The German dislike for the French goes back a little further than Napoleon. I would go back to Louis XIV with his wars to gain defensible borders along the Rhine. There was quite a bit of fighting in the Rhineland area.
I rather think it really began with the First Reich and unification of Germany. Austrians were not feeling very german at the time of Louis XIV and the Habsbourg were our allies in the Seven Years War against Prussia and England. But I wonder if Germans still dislike us, do not forget England is the "hereditary ennemy" or "perfidious Albion". ;)
They seem to specialize in hanging out on community college campuses in southern California and attempting to provike conservative-types into maing statements they can interpret as "racist," and then beating up the poor guy.
When good and choosen quotations prevail.
Engels. "Notes to Anti-Duehring" "On the other hand, modern natural science has extended the principle of the origin of all thought content from experience in a way that breaks down its old metaphysical limitation and formulation. By recognising the inheritance of acquired characters, it extends the subject of experience from the individual to the genus; the single individual that must have experienced is no longer necessary, its individual experience can be replaced to a certain extent by the results of the experiences of a number of its ancestors. If, for instance, among us the mathematical axioms seem self-evident to every eight-year-old child, and in no need of proof from experience, this is solely the result of "accumulated inheritance." It would be difficult to teach them by a proof to a bushman or Australian negro".
Karl Marx. Capital, vol. 3, chapter 47: "The possibility is here presented for definite economic development taking place, depending, of course, upon favourable circumstances, inborn racial characteristics, etc." (this last one is often modified in modern translations)
2005-05-07 16:56 | User Profile
Thanks for Yorktown, Froggies! Never mind the "Freedom Fries" scum...
2005-05-07 17:11 | User Profile
Welcome aboard!, HP.
2005-05-07 17:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Welcome aboard!, HP.[/QUOTE] I just love your pseudo, inspired by Céline I bet?
2005-05-07 18:09 | User Profile
You would win that bet.
2005-05-07 20:06 | User Profile
Le Pen's wife is half-Jewish?
Source please.
(She's Greek and Huguenot; and Protestant.)
Megret's wife is 1/4 Jewish (her capitalist Jewish grandfather fled to France during the October Revolution in Russia).
2005-05-08 01:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=friedrich braun]Le Pen's wife is half-Jewish?
I just checked. She is not, but this legend is quite widespread (among NF supporters). Thank you for the correction.
Megret's wife is 1/4 Jewish (her capitalist Jewish grandfather fled to France during the October Revolution in Russia).[/QUOTE] And she was raised as a Catholic. You are again correct.
2005-05-08 09:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howling Privateer]I feel sorry for the death of this person and for the offence against New Zealand. But sometimes dirty work must be done in a dirty manner, though elsewhere. I do not remember but I do hope we made reparations (for New Zealand).[/QUOTE] It's okay. My initial remarks were probably a little too imtemperate in any case. I do not like the French government, either the present one or the one that was in power in 1985 when the Rainbow Warrior was bombed, but I do not "hate" the French people. Many of whom criticised their own government's actions during this affair.
2005-05-19 05:28 | User Profile
Ach, the tangled pain of a love-hate relationship.
Why this American no longer cares for France. Lafayette was pre republic, was an agent of the Bourbon Monarchy, but bless him, he got it right. Napoleon, a Corsican, the last French leader with a sack. DeGaulle, a bright armor officer interwar, read his own newspaper clippings and bit the hand the helped him up. Won't cover oil and Iraq, been beaten to death elsewhere.
I spent a small amount of time in France. Loved it. Paris is an insanely good place, albeit expensive. Normandy is beautiful in the summer time. Mt St Michel must be seen to be believed.
I spent 3 years working with French in NATO: that will make you hate Frenchmen, at the political level, for the rest of your life. In but out? My left foot.
Got to do a few exercises with the Second Regiment of the Foreign Legion in early 1980's, I still hold them in the highest regard. Sadly, their government are gutless cowards.
The French voice spews continual accusations of American arrogance, which we can back up, while French self importance and arrogance can't be backed up. The EU military arm is a complete farce. Eurocorps is crap. Blackhawk beat Puma in every technical category in the flyoff for Spanish military contract, but when three Basque terrorists were offered up to the Spanish all of a sudden, funny, Puma got the contract.
French troops stood by in Kosovo and let Albanians pillage and kill Serbs, loot Orthodox churches. Brits in Gorazde, in '95, lowered the guns and told the arseholes, in that case Bosnian Serbs "you cross the line, we shoot." Peacekeeping can be done correctly, don't ask a Frenchman to do it. I also know that two spec ops in Bosnia circa 95 / 96, aimed at Bosnian Serb leadership, were aborted due to security compromise by the French. Don't ask, can't say. Understood?
Lastly, though the real blame is to Pres Clinton for being gutless, French PM cajoled and cried to Clinton to bomb Serbia. What a travesty. NATO's then 16 nations spend 71 days bombing Serbia. Pointless, no to low risk adventurism. Then look at the rhetoric against America from France vis a vis Iraq? Hypocritical froggy scum, whether or not you agree with Pres Bush's decisions.
The Serbs have been fighting Muslims for a few centuries, albeit "the Turk" is their real foe, how in the hell are they the bad guys on a fundamental level? Clumsy, some thugs, sure. Our enemy? Jesus wept.
French cheese is world class. Italian wine wins the drink off, barely. Veal is over rated. Most French people I have met one-on-one have been good folks.
But since this tends to be a political discussion, with friends like the French, who needs enemies? The break came on the French side, long before GW Bush ever thought to be governor of Texas. Had to be the drama queens of Europe. It has to be "all about them" even when the Bundesbank was wiping the floor with the Franc.
For geopolitical purposes, a nation of wankers. But, by golly, if anyone "knows" food, it is the French.
[QUOTE=Howling Privateer]I just checked. She is not, but this legend is quite widespread (among NF supporters). Thank you for the correction.
And she was raised as a Catholic. You are again correct.[/QUOTE]
2005-05-19 11:29 | User Profile
I spent 3 years working with French in NATO: that will make you hate Frenchmen, at the political level, for the rest of your life. In but out? My left foot.
I cannot discuss about issues I know nothing about, but if you speak of the french high command, you may be correct. They are a sort of nobility, insulated from reality.
The EU military arm is a complete farce. Eurocorps is crap.
There is no european army, it is a political construct. At most a police force.
Blackhawk beat Puma in every technical category in the flyoff for Spanish military contract, but when three Basque terrorists were offered up to the Spanish all of a sudden, funny, Puma got the contract.
I always wondered about the timing of Basque terrorists' release to Spain, not only for that matter. You gave me a sharp insight. But these kinds of things happen all the time, why does Poland have a F-16 airforce (which is better anyway)? None is an act of war.
French troops stood by in Kosovo and let Albanians pillage and kill Serbs, loot Orthodox churches.
You are right. And the whole french press lied about the Kosovars' genocide. And no, we do not like it. And yes, I hate Bernard Kouchner who managed Kosovo. On this website, one would find interesting BK is an azkhenazi, though I think it coincidental.
Brits in Gorazde, in '95, lowered the guns and told the arseholes, in that case Bosnian Serbs "you cross the line, we shoot."
French retook the Vrbanja bridge in 1995, suffering two deads and 17 wounded persons. Your assertion is selective sampling.
Peacekeeping can be done correctly, don't ask a Frenchman to do it.
I am sorry, but the Brits, and the Dutch in Srebenica, did not perform better in Yugoslavia. It is like telling Lebanon and Somalia are models of the american way of peacekeeping. Albeit an UN mandate is a moral guarantee, it ties hands.
I also know that two spec ops in Bosnia circa 95 / 96, aimed at Bosnian Serb leadership, were aborted due to security compromise by the French. Don't ask, can't say. Understood?
I can be fair and tell you my thought. French acted one way towards the Serbs, and sometimes another to counterbalance. A few officers even did it on a personal initiative. But the again, what happened in Dayton?
Lastly, though the real blame is to Pres Clinton for being gutless, French PM cajoled and cried to Clinton to bomb Serbia. What a travesty. NATO's then 16 nations spend 71 days bombing Serbia. Pointless, no to low risk adventurism.
I do not think you can make American Navy moving the 6th fleet and throwing tomahawks with a cry. It was also in your interest to definetely weaken the serbian army. I am a lot critical with our governements, but if the bridges of Belgrade were not destroyed, thanks to the French. And the bombing of the chinese embassy was not an european goal at all.
The Serbs have been fighting Muslims for a few centuries, albeit "the Turk" is their real foe, how in the hell are they the bad guys on a fundamental level? Clumsy, some thugs, sure. Our enemy? Jesus wept.
Frankly speaking, I am disgusted by the destruction of the serbian industry, which has been done just to let Western World's money pour in the country for reconstruction and dependency (and widening the serbian gap with Russia). Here are the convergent european and american geopolitical interests, and the basic truth.
But since this tends to be a political discussion, with friends like the French, who needs enemies?
Apart UK, France is the only european nation able to send a few troops overseas and to hold a UN permanent seat. Much of this is merely symbolic, but it does provide USA a lot of exit doors and geopolitical buffers. But a part is true and I can acknowlegde it, we call it the "Fachoda syndrome" (seeing Anglo-saxons everywhere).
The break came on the French side, long before GW Bush ever thought to be governor of Texas. Had to be the drama queens of Europe.
Come on, ups and downs are not a "break". There were french troops in Iraq 1990, in Afghanistan 2001, in Haiti 2004. Are the French troubling American diplomacy in South America? Are we supporting the secession of Quebec from Canada? Are we boycotting american products? And that is not what Senator Byrd is thinking : [url]http://byrd.senate.gov/[/url]. The guy is hardly a leftist or a self-deprecating American. I am sorry, but the trend definitely arose with first neocons' governement and did not come from french side.
It has to be "all about them" even when the Bundesbank was wiping the floor with the Franc.
I must admit that you are correct, not to speak about the G8 forums. But in that time, Western Germany was the rich country it is less since reunification, and France still had problems with reconversion of its primary sector. Germans agreed and we will remember that when they will ask to substantially lower their contribution to the EU budget. Long-term frienship is not something you judge with the number of beers your buddy brought to your last barbecue.
2005-05-21 18:26 | User Profile
Well answered, monsieur, I tip my cap. :cowboy:
[QUOTE=Howling Privateer] French retook the Vrbanja bridge in 1995, suffering two deads and 17 wounded persons. Your assertion is selective sampling.
Guilty as charged.
[QUOTE]I am sorry, but the Brits, and the Dutch in Srebenica, did not perform better in Yugoslavia. It is like telling Lebanon and Somalia are models of the american way of peacekeeping. Albeit an UN mandate is a moral guarantee, it ties hands.[/QUOTE] True. The dual key RoE drove local commanders nuts, all countries. Canadian General McKenzie has related many excellent points about that. After Serbrniza, Brits exceeded UN RoE on their own decision. Pre NATO arrival. I think the Brigade commander felt "not twice!" Probably need to do a bit more research on that.
[QUOTE]what happened in Dayton?[/QUOTE] Lines got drawn on a map. Then, America played, then, NATO was better than UN since NATO, not UN, RoE was crafted. Much improvement.
[QUOTE]I do not think you can make American Navy moving the 6th fleet and throwing tomahawks with a cry. It was also in your interest to definetely weaken the serbian army. I am a lot critical with our governements, but if the bridges of Belgrade were not destroyed, thanks to the French. And the bombing of the chinese embassy was not an european goal at all.[/QUOTE] Ha. Tomahawks are good SEAD. French and Russians cried about the details, but the aim of slowing the Serbs down was a consensus. If you are going to fight, don't go half way, and SEAD is not for sissies. The Chinese Embassy thing obviously an embarassment to 16 nations and their intelligence services. No one had the right map? Or was it pure operational buffoonery?
[QUOTE] Frankly speaking, I am disgusted by the destruction of the serbian industry, which has been done just to let Western World's money pour in the country for reconstruction and dependency (and widening the serbian gap with Russia). Here are the convergent european and american geopolitical interests, and the basic truth. [/QUOTE]
D'accord. (Did I get that right? Sort of a 'we agree.')
[QUOTE]Apart UK, France is the only european nation able to send a few troops overseas and to hold a UN permanent seat. Much of this is merely symbolic, but it does provide USA a lot of exit doors and geopolitical buffers. But a part is true and I can acknowlegde it, we call it the "Fachoda syndrome" (seeing Anglo-saxons everywhere).[/QUOTE] You perceive the Nordic nations peacekeepers non European? They are pretty good. nod Fochoda, aye.
As to "the break, the break started with DeGaulle pulling out of NATO integrated command structure, and the independent nuclear posture. That break is what I referred to.
I must admit that you are correct, not to speak about the G8 forums. But in that time, Western Germany was the rich country it is less since reunification, and France still had problems with reconversion of its primary sector. Germans agreed and we will remember that when they will ask to substantially lower their contribution to the EU budget. Long-term frienship is not something you judge with the number of beers your buddy brought to your last barbecue.[/QUOTE] True. To be fair, Chirac had to act toward Iraq as he perceived France's best interst first, and consider his alliances next. That is his duty to the French people.
Te saluto
Angeleyes
2005-05-21 21:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie] [URL]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1387498/posts[/URL] [Paul Greenberg]... The book [Vile France] is a short but comprehensive view of French diplomacy (cynical in every way), French government (a corrupt product of an incestuous elite), the French press (government-subsidized, thoroughly corrupt, ideologically blind, and traditionally bought-and-paid-for), French secularism (a holy faith and a jealous god), and the whole French pose and obsession as the Non-America, which would be scary if one could take France seriously. ...[/QUOTE] The ââ¬Åevil onesââ¬Â just don't like France...
I admire our French Brothers and Sisters more and more everyday!
:thumbsup:
2005-05-22 02:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]The ââ¬Åevil onesââ¬Â just don't like France...
I admire our French Brothers and Sisters more and more everyday!
:thumbsup:[/QUOTE]The Dreyfuss Affair your version of Morte d Arthur, eh?
2005-05-22 20:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angeleyes]The Dreyfuss Affair your version of Morte d Arthur, eh?[/QUOTE] The so called Dreyfuss Affair may make interesting material for a Hollywood production or a newspaper article. However, those who would hold this up a some kind of moral epiphany are wasting their time with people who have taken the time to understand "the tribe."
Their is no such thing as an innocent Jew.
:smoke:
2005-05-22 22:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]The so called Dreyfuss Affair may make interesting material for a Hollywood production or a newspaper article. However, those who would hold this up a some kind of moral epiphany are wasting their time with people who have taken the time to understand "the tribe."
Their is no such thing as an innocent Jew.
:smoke:[/QUOTE] Thank you.
When Tours fall next, will Charles Martel return from the Grave?
2005-05-23 00:39 | User Profile
The only "innocent" Jew is the one that is not born.
2005-06-08 00:01 | User Profile
I hate to dig this one up after a few weeks, but here is a sort of cap to what I said earlier. I was curious about the composition of the French Senate and National Assembly and then looked into the affiliation of the members by party. As far as I can tell, the National Front holds no seats in either house of the French Parliament, and are consquently even less successful and influential than I intially thought.
2005-06-08 02:57 | User Profile
I know that Le Front Nationale has more of a presence than you think. I would ask XMetalhead here at OD. He has good French resources. so, XMetalhead, how many seats in Parliament does NF have ? :pimp:
2005-06-08 04:47 | User Profile
You can see the senate (elected by public officials) by party affiliation here:
[url="http://www.senat.fr/listes/grp.html"]http://www.senat.fr/listes/grp.html[/url]
(Even if you know little or no French, you can understand it quite easily, and I'm sure many will note the ethnicity of the last name of the head of the communist party:lol:)
And the (popularly elected) National Assembly here
[url="http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/D/De/Deputies_of_the_12th_French_National_Assembly.htm"]http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/D/De/Deputies_of_the_12th_French_National_Assembly.htm[/url]
2005-06-08 07:15 | User Profile
I should note though, the national front does have some victories, notably the mayorship of Marseilles, which is the second, maybe third, biggest city there.
2005-06-08 12:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=robinder]I should note though, the national front does have some victories, notably the mayorship of Marseilles, which is the second, maybe third, biggest city there.[/QUOTE]
In France, there are regional administrators (Normandy, Indre, Loire, Bordeaux, etc), sort of like the US States' governments, where you'd probably find many FN members. It's only a matter of time before FN has a Senator. Also, remember, that Le Pen made it to the presidential election against Chirac 3 years ago.
Also, go through the members of the French Senate and count how many non-Whites there are in the government. I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing something.
PS Excelsis Deo, between business and personal visits, I have alot of exposure to France and the French people, but I'm still no expert on their politics. However, from what I've gathered, most White French I've had conversations with are quite open in their feelings of anger over the non-White immigrants there.
2005-06-28 01:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Exelsis_Deo]I know that Le Front Nationale has more of a presence than you think.
[img]http://pedagogie.ac-toulouse.fr/histgeo/citoyen/pres02/lepen02.gif[/img]
XMetalhead, how many seats in Parliament does NF have ? :pimp:[/QUOTE] Zero. A form of agreement exists among the Right and the Left to systematically prevent that a candidate FN can gain an election. It bears the name of "republican pact".
[QUOTE=robinder]I should note though, the national front does have some victories, notably the mayorship of Marseilles, which is the second, maybe third, biggest city there.[/QUOTE] The mayor of Marseilles is Jean-Claude Gaudin, from the standard Right. But Jacques Peyrat, a former FN member, is the current mayor of Nice.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]In France, there are regional administrators (Normandy, Indre, Loire, Bordeaux, etc), sort of like the US States' governments, where you'd probably find many FN members.
Only about 150, that's why Le Pen has always a lot of problems to find the 500 signatures required to run for president. [QUOTE=xmetalhead]It's only a matter of time before FN has a Senator.
I don't think the FN can win a senator seat, these representatives are indirectly elected in France.
Also, remember, that Le Pen made it to the presidential election against Chirac 3 years ago.
They can prevent the FN candidate to run for president, but if they do it, Philippe de Villiers, a sort of Tom Tancredo, is sure to get his 500 marks and he may even expect a good opportunity to win if he faces a socialist opponent.
Also, go through the members of the French Senate and count how many non-Whites there are in the government. I don't see any, but maybe I'm missing something.
In the governement, sometimes one of two, for sports or the "minister of integration and social affairs". Currently, I do not remember if there is a single one. However, representatives of our costly overseas territories are frequently non-white. In a classic two-turn election, the non-white candidate is pretty sure to loose, whether he is from the Left or the Right.
However, from what I've gathered, most White French I've had conversations with are quite open in their feelings of anger over the non-White immigrants there.[/QUOTE] That's because you're an American, thus they guess what you think of the colored multitudes and fell free to speak openly. Among French, it's a fussy debate that requires prudence.
2005-06-28 01:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Jacques Peyrat, a former FN member, is the current mayor of Nice.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the correction, I knew they, or a sympathizer held the mayorship for a larger city. The mayor quit the party though?
2005-06-28 02:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=robinder]Thanks for the correction, I knew they, or a sympathizer held the mayorship for a larger city. The mayor quit the party though?[/QUOTE] Yes, in order to get the investiture of the UMP (main conservative party). The guy even made a little travel to Israel, for reassuring the jewish community of Nice. But basically he didn't change.
2005-06-28 12:53 | User Profile
Howling Privateer, c'est bien de vous voir encore ici.
Question: What do you think of new Prime Minister de Villepin's invitation and meeting with 2 National Front representatives the other day at Elysee Palace?
What was really funny is the reaction of cry baby Socialist Francois Hollande who boycotted meeting with de Villepin because of the meeting with FN members. Also, the Communist party rep says she only met with de Villepin in order to tell him she was appalled that he'd meet with the FN. What a bunch of babies! However, Sarkozy told reporters that he supports Prime Minister's decision and that the FN is a legitimate party and must be allowed discourse.
[QUOTE=Howling Privateer]Among French, it's a fussy debate that requires prudence.[/QUOTE]
Now I understand what you mean by this statement!
2005-06-28 13:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Howling Privateer, c'est bien de vous voir encore ici.
I assure you that the pleasure is shared. [QUOTE=xmetalhead]Question: What do you think of new Prime Minister de Villepin's invitation and meeting with 2 National Front representatives the other day at Elysee Palace?
Firstly, it's an unavoidable normalization, and secondly De Villepin did it to bother his rival Nicolas Sarkozy who is currently attempting to jump opportunistically in the immigration/crime bandwagon.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]What was really funny is the reaction of cry baby Socialist Francois Hollande who boycotted meeting with de Villepin because of the meeting with FN members.
Comediante, tragediente, would say an Italian.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Also, the Communist party rep says she only met with de Villepin in order to tell him she was appalled that he'd meet with the FN. What a bunch of babies!
A communist leader at the Prime Minister's desk needs to find a pretext and make a little noise, that's all. By the way, despite her french name, Marie-Georges Buffet has jewish roots, albeit it would be a mistake to see the French Communist Party as fully "likudized". Did you know the PCF was the first party that initially opposed immigration before the FN? Few French know it but I can provide information if you wish. You can send it to a communist forum in America, for annoying them.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]However, Sarkozy told reporters that he supports Prime Minister's decision and that the FN is a legitimate party and must be allowed discourse.[/QUOTE] I see that the term "fait accompli" exists in my french-english dictionnary. It's exactly that.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Now I understand what you mean by this statement![/QUOTE] If you went in the french countryside and straightfully said : "Nice place, not too many Blacks and Browns here", you made of course an outspoken assertion they are loath to replicate because of the PeeCee ambience. Héhéhé. But you should be aware that a substantial part is a bunch of blind diversicrats, as in the USA. However, for them all Americans are supposed to be "racists", thus they will not try to convert you.
2005-06-28 14:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howling Privateer]
Firstly, it's an unavoidable normalization, and secondly De Villepin did it to bother his rival Nicolas Sarkozy who is currently attempting to jump opportunistically in the immigration/crime bandwagon.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it was Sarkozy who got into trouble for saying in the aftermath of a murder in the immigrant village Courneuve, "On va le nettoyer". (we're going to clean it up)
However, I still don't like Sarkozy, even if he says a good thing or two. However, both de Villepin and Sarkozy appear to be jumping on the Populist bandwagon. Why? I think there's a huge anti-immigration sentiment in France, because the French hear the lies with their ears but see reality with their eyes. The old French proverb comes to mind "A Lie has already travelled around the world while the Truth is just getting her boots on."
2005-06-28 16:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Yes, it was Sarkozy who got into trouble for saying in the aftermath of a murder in the immigrant village Courneuve, "On va le nettoyer". (we're going to clean it up)[/QUOTE]
Hum. La Courneuve is not what I would call a village, it's a ghetto. A young maghrebian was killed because he found himself accidentaly in the middle of gunshoots between a Black who had sex with a muslim girl and her Arab brother (forget the pseudo-social crap they told on TV5, it's an ethnic incident).
[img]http://cho2france.skyblog.com/pics/62356250.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.plainedefrance.fr/ressources/plaine_images7/images/photos/01_courneuve_imp.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]However, I still don't like Sarkozy, even if he says a good thing or two.[/QUOTE]
Nicolas Sarközy de Nagy-Bocsa (full name) is an arrivist and a quarter-jew, although apparently not connected to jewry). For some weird and unknown reason, he is fond of Tom Cruise and reluctant to denigrate the Church of Scientology. Today, he is experiencing a Shakespearian fate, his wife (descendant of the jewish-spanish composer Albeniz) made him, well..., cuckold with Michel Attias, a purebred jewish businessman. That's very funny because he tried hard to play the american politician who loves to show how strong is his couple and how tied he is with his spouse Cécilia.
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I think there's a huge anti-immigration sentiment in France, because the French hear the lies with their ears but see reality with their eyes.
Partly. Anyway that worked so well against the Left in 2002 than they cannot miss another opportunity to throw the same dice again.