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Thread ID: 17818 | Posts: 49 | Started: 2005-04-17
2005-04-17 04:26 | User Profile
White Wire has just received verification that Kevin Alfred Strom, the host of American Dissident Voices, editor of National Vanguard Magazine and National Alliance Executive Committee member has been expelled from the National Alliance. White Wire has also learned that Western States Regional Coordinator Roger Williams, Nebraska leader William Muller, California member April Gaede and a list of other NA members and leaders have been purged from the rolls of this rapidly collapsing organization. With the cancellation of the semi-annual Leadership Conference and Gliebeââ¬â¢s vicious slander campaign against NA Activist April Gaede many in the NA have had enough. At this point every single NA Unit is in disarray and open revolt against Erich Gliebe and his handler Shaun Walker......... [url]www.whitewire.net[/url] and [URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1796011&postcount=1]SF thread[/URL]
2005-04-17 04:36 | User Profile
[img]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/gliebe_studio2.jpg[/img]
Post-Pierce NA Chairman Gliebe
2005-04-17 08:25 | User Profile
Maybe Mr. Strom will log-in and relay some info on what has happened and what the future may hold.
2005-04-18 21:05 | User Profile
Is "whitewire" a reliable source of information? I'm not familiar with it and I don't know who runs it.
2005-04-18 21:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Is "whitewire" a reliable source of information? I'm not familiar with it and I don't know who runs it.[/QUOTE]That's why I put the forum thread reference there, so you could see what the discussion among NA supporters was. All the comments I saw seemed to indicate it was genuine.
2005-04-18 22:54 | User Profile
[img]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/gaede_april_baby.jpg[/img]
April Gaede with her new baby.
2005-04-18 22:59 | User Profile
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Kevin A. Strom
2005-04-18 23:13 | User Profile
[img]http://www.natvan.com/images/kas.jpg[/img]
[font=Arial]LITERALLY HUNDREDS of people have called or written me to ask if it was true that April Gaede and I had been expelled from the National Alliance. The answer is yes -- and no.
First let me explain the "yes" -- not only have April and myself been told by current board members Erich Gliebe and Shaun Walker that we are 'expelled,' but the Western States Regional Coordinator of the Alliance, Roger Williams, has also been purged. Both April and Roger have sacrificed and worked for years for the good of their people -- and their only supposed offense was wanting to ask some questions.
And that's not all: Just a few weeks before, one of the Alliance's most generous and hard-working activists was expelled and had his character assassinated merely because, again, he had asked some challenging questions of Alliance leadership. Just last night two tireless activists in California, Drahomir Stojkovic, who is the Coordinator of the Alliance's Sacramento Unit, and his wife, were also purged. Their crime: asking for some structural changes in the Alliance's board. And there have been dozens of such expulsions in just the last few days.
Now I'll explain the "no." Neither April nor Drahomir nor myself nor many others accept these rogue actions as legitimate, and virtually every Unit in the National Alliance has joined together to set things right.
Members have been questioning the serious lack of judgment and responsibility exhibited by the current Alliance executives. Members have been questioning the embarrassingly bad printed materials issued by the National Office, the character assassination and bad treatment of totally innocent people, the misallocation of resources, the lowering of the moral tone of the Alliance, and the endless intrigues and deceptions. And I know that these members have questioned these things only out of true dedication to the Alliance and to the Cause of racial survival and progress. They do not deserve expulsion and attacks.
By ousting the best and most moral and idealistic members of the Alliance, these rogue executives are trampling on the legacy of William Pierce, and are in effect expelling the true National Alliance from the legal entity called the National Alliance.
There is a declaration of intent, being circulated and signed as I speak, to save the organization -- and the legacy of William Pierce to his people -- and all National Alliance members are encouraged to add their names. If you are a National Alliance member, please communicate with Drahomir Stojkovic at the following email address
[/font][email="dorightandfearnoone@yahoo.com"][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]dorightandfearnoone@yahoo.com[/color][/font][/email][font=Arial]
You'll be promptly sent further details.
The members of the National Alliance [/font][url="http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4611"][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]Executive Committee[/color][/font][/url][font=Arial] have been aware of the problems in Hillsboro for quite some time -- in fact, that is why the Committee was formed. We foresaw the possibility of mass and unjust expulsions, and that's why we included the provision that "Committee members may be removed only upon a majority vote of the Committee itself.... Loss of membership in the National Alliance does not result in automatic removal from the [/font][url="http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4611"][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]Executive Committee[/color][/font][/url][font=Arial]." That means that Roger Williams and I remain as members of the National Alliance [/font][url="http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4611"][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]Executive Committee[/color][/font][/url][font=Arial].
When I received the voice mail expelling me and making absurd allegations that I was "engaging in anti-National Alliance activity" on Saturday, at first I thought "what a sad and pathetic way to end 23 years of work for the Alliance."
But then I thought again: This is not the end. The National Alliance will continue, even if it has to totally reform the Hillsboro office, or become reborn. My work, and the work of the thousands of others, and the advancement of our sacred Cause will continue either way.
I am committed to carry on my part in our mission. If you believe that my work for our people has been effective, I need your support and solidarity. For the time being, you may write to me via email at the 'send me mail' link at [/font][url="http://www.kevin-strom.com/"][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]http://www.kevin-strom.com/[/color][/font][/url][font=Arial], or via postal mail at P.O. Box 5145, Charlottesville VA 22905.
Thank you for listening, and remember to keep on thinking free[/font] American Dissident Voices [url="http://www.natvan.com/internet-radio/"]http://www.natvan.com/internet-radio/[/url]
[url="http://www.natvan.com/internet-radio/"][/url]
2005-04-18 23:34 | User Profile
Has Gliebe or Shaun Walker any skill as a broadcaster/essayist?
2005-04-19 00:02 | User Profile
The VNN thread cites "LSN News" and Bill White as the source. I think I'll wait for more official confirmation. We hear of the National Alliance's collapse every three months.
Looks like "whitewire" is run by David Pringle, and the comments from NA folks do appear genuine. Huh.
Great tidbit for the SPLC.
2005-04-19 00:54 | User Profile
Official National Alliance Statement 18 April 2005
Erich Gliebe, Chairman of the National Alliance, has announced that Kevin Strom has been relieved of his duties as Media Director of the National Alliance, citing personality differences over organization management. "I thank Kevin for everything he has done for the Alliance and for our People over the years," Gliebe stated. "Any time there is a parting of ways between co-workers, there is bound to be tension and some hard feelings. Although Kevin and I have been unable to reconcile our differences, I respect him as a dedicated activist in the White racialist struggle. I am convinced that he will succeed in his future endeavors in that struggle." Gliebe said that the removal of Strom, whom had been re-hired on staff in 2002, was effective immediately.
2005-04-19 02:14 | User Profile
Looks real enough.
Here is a fat ol' SF thread in which KAS, Elisha Strom, Don Black, Bob DeMarais, Yankee Jim, David Daugherty, John Law, Brian Hassett and pretty much everyone else weighs in.
[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=198186&page=1&pp=10[/url]
I have the sneaking suspicion that NA folk are not happy with the treatment of Mr. Strom.
2005-04-19 03:16 | User Profile
Originally Posted by KEVIN ALFRED STROM
The members of the National Alliance Executive Committee have been aware of the problems in Hillsboro for quite some time -- in fact, that is why the Committee was formed. We foresaw the developments that occurred today, and that's why we included the provision that "Committee members may be removed only upon a majority vote of the Committee itself.... Loss of membership in the National Alliance does not result in automatic removal from the Executive Committee."
Efforts are being made right now, not only by Committee members, but by a consortium of virtually all prominent Alliance activists and coordinators, to reform the leadership and ownership structure of the Alliance. For the time being, it is best for the Alliance that these communications and negotiations remain private. But a full accounting will be made soon.
Erich Gliebe and Shaun Walker started expelling people left and right last week -- and even cancelled the Leadership Conference -- because of fears that "uncomfortable questions" would be asked. There is a great deal of dissatisfaction with their leadership.
April Gaede (as you probably know, an excellent activist, writer, and the mother of the Prussian Blue twins) was expelled from the Alliance because Gliebe and Walker believed she would ask such questions, and apparently anyone that Erich and Shaun believed was "talking to her" was considered part of a "plot" and had to be expelled. Among many expellees, Roger Williams and myself were ousted this weekend.
Erich apparently thinks that I was somehow involved in a non-existent "coup attempt" to make April Gaede the chairman and that my ADV interview with her was part of that "coup." The whole idea is a paranoid absurdity.
What they are essentially doing, by expelling (and making false accusations against) our best members, is expelling the National Alliance from the National Alliance. Virtually all of the people who were given positions by Dr. Pierce himself have been driven out.
At first I thought "what a sad and pathetic way to end 23 years of work for the Alliance."
But then I thought again: This is not the end. The National Alliance will continue, even if it has to totally reform the Hillsboro office, or become reborn under another name. (Dr. Pierce himself changed the name of the organization more than once when circumstances demanded it; when I first met him at the Arlington office the sign on the door read 'National Youth Alliance.') My work and my ADVs will continue either way -- and I am going to do the second half of the interview with April today. She is a fine person. You'll see it on nationalvanguard.org.
With every good wish,
Kevin.
2005-04-19 03:20 | User Profile
...You'll see it on nationalvanguard.org. -KAS
So, which NA factions run which websites?
2005-04-19 03:25 | User Profile
I wonder who controls the NA assets. In particular, Hillsboro?
2005-04-19 06:49 | User Profile
Any association who manages to have the likes of Gliebe as a member, even, is probably wacked Howard.
The "Prussian Blue" twins? Does the Alliance give ribbons for breeding?
2005-04-19 06:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Prussian Blue]What do you think is the most important social issue facing the white race right now? Do you have any songs that address this issue?
Not having enough white babies born to replace ourselves and generally not having good-quality white people being born. It seems like smart white girls who have good eugenics are more interested in making money in a career or partying than getting married and having a family. And yes, we are working on some new songs about this issue.[/QUOTE]
At what age will Prussian Blue betray the cause by failing to cede career in favor of family? Sixteen? Eighteen? Free, White & 21?
2005-04-19 17:19 | User Profile
I'm not sure why a thread about the NA situation is an invitation to make insulting comments about the "Prussian Blue" singers. Unless you're just an asshole.
2005-04-19 18:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]I wonder who controls the NA assets. In particular, Hillsboro?[/QUOTE] With respect to Hillsboro and its affiliated assets, the "NA" belongs entirely and personally to Erich Gliebe. It is owned as personal property, left to only him by Dr. Pierce. All donations to and assets of the "NA" are at the disposal of Gliebe.
Zero accountability and zero future until this is changed.
2005-04-19 19:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Scott Paine]With respect to Hillsboro and its affiliated assets, the "NA" belongs entirely and personally to Erich Gliebe. It is owned as personal property, left to only him by Dr. Pierce. All donations to and assets of the "NA" are at the disposal of Gliebe.
Zero accountability and zero future until this is changed.[/QUOTE]Hi Scott.
So Pierce basically willed the entire NA to Gliebe? :wacko:Sure sounds like [I]fuehrer-prinzip[/I] to me. :hitler:
It sounds like Kevin O'Keefe's description of the NA, as absent this concept., is erroneous based on this
[QUOTE=Kevin O'Keefe]Actually, Dr. Pierce pointed out precisely why the Alliance is NOT "in keeping with the historical post-WWII american conception of NS as a religion devoted to the 'fuehrer-prinzip,'" in very strongly worded and eloquent terms.[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=110138&postcount=3[/url][/QUOTE] and description of the nature of Gliebe's ascension
[QUOTE=Kevin O'Keefe]The Alliance did have a problem for about two years after Dr. Pierce's death, when Erich Gliebe was, due to somethink akin to organizatonal inertia, invested with the same quasi-dictatorial powers that Dr. Pierce had rightly earned on the basis of merit. Its unfortunate in took the Alliance two years until after Dr. Pierce's death to begin heeding his words, but Erich Giebe has since been reigned in by the Executive Committee, which was formed about six months ago, and which has made Erich Gliebe's post as "National Chairman" little more than ceremonial. I believe it is generally understood that making Gliebe the National Chairman back in 2002 was a mistake, over and above the other mistake of not immediately recognizing that the new National Chairman would almost by definition not be qualified to wield the same level of authority as Dr. Pierce.[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=110138&postcount=3[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-04-19 23:15 | User Profile
KAS on nationalvanguard.com... scroll to the bottom...
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4885[/url]
2005-04-20 00:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln] Unless you're just an asshole.[/QUOTE]
I think you nailed it.
2005-04-20 00:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Scott Paine]With respect to Hillsboro and its affiliated assets, the "NA" belongs entirely and personally to Erich Gliebe. It is owned as personal property, left to only him by Dr. Pierce. All donations to and assets of the "NA" are at the disposal of Gliebe.
Zero accountability and zero future until this is changed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that Pierce owned the NA to give it away. Anyway, many an organization has desolved after the death of its charismatic leader. Too bad Gliebe owns the copyright to the name, though, because it is a good one.
2005-04-20 02:29 | User Profile
Contained within the above-referenced SF thread is the "official" NA response, in which one Shaun Walker says that Strom was fired because he was tardy with NV.
Ahem.
There could be something to it. Maybe it was late a time or two. Or three. But has this fellow ever worked with a creative type? And, who exactly do you hire to replace him? Tucker Carlson?
2005-04-20 05:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]KAS on nationalvanguard.com... scroll to the bottom...
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4885[/url][/QUOTE]
LITERALLY HUNDREDS of people have called or written me to ask if it was true that April Gaede and I had been expelled from the National Alliance. The answer is yes -- and no.
First let me explain the "yes" -- not only have April and myself been told by current board members Erich Gliebe and Shaun Walker that we are 'expelled,' but the Western States Regional Coordinator of the Alliance, Roger Williams, has also been purged. Both April and Roger have sacrificed and worked for years for the good of their people -- and their only supposed offense was wanting to ask some questions.
And that's not all: Just a few weeks before, one of the Alliance's most generous and hard-working activists was expelled and had his character assassinated merely because, again, he had asked some challenging questions of Alliance leadership. Just last night two tireless activists in California, Drahomir Stojkovic, who is the Coordinator of the Alliance's Sacramento Unit, and his wife, were also purged. Their crime: asking for some structural changes in the Alliance's board. And there have been dozens of such expulsions in just the last few days.
Now I'll explain the "no." Neither April nor Drahomir nor myself nor many others accept these rogue actions as legitimate, and virtually every Unit in the National Alliance has joined together to set things right.
Members have been questioning the serious lack of judgment and responsibility exhibited by the current Alliance executives. Members have been questioning the embarrassingly bad printed materials issued by the National Office, the character assassination and bad treatment of totally innocent people, the misallocation of resources, the lowering of the moral tone of the Alliance, and the endless intrigues and deceptions. And I know that these members have questioned these things only out of true dedication to the Alliance and to the Cause of racial survival and progress. They do not deserve expulsion and attacks.
By ousting the best and most moral and idealistic members of the Alliance, these rogue executives are trampling on the legacy of William Pierce, and are in effect expelling the true National Alliance from the legal entity called the National Alliance.
There is a declaration of intent, being circulated and signed as I speak, to save the organization -- and the legacy of William Pierce to his people -- and all National Alliance members are encouraged to add their names. If you are a National Alliance member, please communicate with Drahomir Stojkovic at the following email address
[email]dorightandfearnoone@yahoo.com[/email]
You'll be promptly sent further details.
The members of the National Alliance Executive Committee have been aware of the problems in Hillsboro for quite some time -- in fact, that is why the Committee was formed. We foresaw the possibility of mass and unjust expulsions, and that's why we included the provision that "Committee members may be removed only upon a majority vote of the Committee itself.... Loss of membership in the National Alliance does not result in automatic removal from the Executive Committee." That means that Roger Williams and I remain as members of the National Alliance Executive Committee.
When I received the voice mail expelling me and making absurd allegations that I was "engaging in anti-National Alliance activity" on Saturday, at first I thought "what a sad and pathetic way to end 23 years of work for the Alliance."
But then I thought again: This is not the end. The National Alliance will continue, even if it has to totally reform the Hillsboro office, or become reborn. My work, and the work of the thousands of others, and the advancement of our sacred Cause will continue either way.
I am committed to carry on my part in our mission. If you believe that my work for our people has been effective, I need your support and solidarity. For the time being, you may write to me via email at the 'send me mail' link at [url]http://www.kevin-strom.com/[/url], or via postal mail at P.O. Box 5145, Charlottesville VA 22905.
Thank you for listening, and remember to keep on thinking free.
Source: National Vanguard
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O.K., just why [u]did[/u] Dr. Pierce choose Erich Gliebe to head the National Alliance?
2005-04-20 05:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=askel5]Any association who manages to have the likes of Gliebe as a member, even, is probably wacked Howard.
The "Prussian Blue" twins? Does the Alliance give ribbons for breeding?[/QUOTE]
April's a fine mom, Askel, and her twins are very musically gifted.
As a woman, what appeals would you find most effective in awakening those of our greater Western family that slumber yet?
2005-04-20 07:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]White Wire has just received verification that Kevin Alfred Strom, the host of American Dissident Voices, editor of National Vanguard Magazine and National Alliance Executive Committee member has been expelled from the National Alliance. White Wire has also learned that Western States Regional Coordinator Roger Williams, Nebraska leader William Muller, California member April Gaede and a list of other NA members and leaders have been purged from the rolls of this rapidly collapsing organization. With the cancellation of the semi-annual Leadership Conference and Gliebeââ¬â¢s vicious slander campaign against NA Activist April Gaede many in the NA have had enough. At this point every single NA Unit is in disarray and open revolt against Erich Gliebe and his handler Shaun Walker......... [url]www.whitewire.net[/url] and [URL=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1796011&postcount=1]SF thread[/URL][/QUOTE]
I hope this isn't true...and at first glance, I suspect it is not. If it is, then there's no reason for me to bother continue sending in my dues. In point of fact, I shall be forced to formally resign my NA membership (held since 1996) in protest. Mr. Strom, Ms. Gaede (whom I personally know), and other such stalwart patriots will presumably establish a post-NA group with much the same agenda as the Dr. Pierce-era NA. That is a group I would join immediately and enthusiastically, if such a sad event has truly come to pass.
2005-04-20 07:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=albion][img]http://www.natvan.com/images/kas.jpg[/img]
[font=Arial]And that's not all: Just a few weeks before, one of the Alliance's most generous and hard-working activists was expelled and had his character assassinated merely because, again, he had asked some challenging questions of Alliance leadership. Just last night two tireless activists in California, Drahomir Stojkovic, who is the Coordinator of the Alliance's Sacramento Unit, and his wife, were also purged. Their crime: asking for some structural changes in the Alliance's board. And there have been dozens of such expulsions in just the last few days.
The Sacramento Local Unit is "my" local unit of the Alliance. I personally know Drahomir and his lovely wife fairly well. They represent the best the Alliance, and the "movement" generally, have to offer. Their expulsions can only be perceived as effectively a criminal offense against the Whte race; essentially an act of treason. If this situation is not put right ASAP, there is no way on God's green Earth that any decent person, and certainly not myself, can refrain from disassociating his or herself with the Alliance. What a disgrace! Gliebe is an even bigger jerk than I ever imagined! What a truly evil and perfidious slimeball to have succeed a great man like Dr. Pierce. How tragic.
2005-04-20 14:23 | User Profile
I can't help noticing that all this is coming at exactly the time when the EffBeeEye is loudly announcing (through a well-leaked "secret" report) that the NA is a dangerous "terrorist" organization that needs watching (play Dragnet theme here).
Coincidence? I don't think so.
2005-04-20 18:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]...You'll see it on nationalvanguard.org. -KAS
So, which NA factions run which websites?[/QUOTE]
Kevin Alfred Strom has always held physical control, so to speak, of the NationalVanguard.org site, in his capacity as both editor-in-chief of National Vanguard magazine and Media Director of the National Alliance. As Mr. Strom (and myself, for that matter) do not regard his expulsion from the Alliance as a legitimate action, he has appparently seen no reason to relinquish control of the site. Anti-Gliebe information is presently posted at NationalVanguard.org. The two National Alliance main sites, natall.com & its natvan.com mirror site, presumably remain under the control of the National Office, although that depends a good deal on the loyalties of the web masters, who are presumably quite capable of reversing that fact, if they so choose. Similarly, the Resistance Records presumably remains under the control of Erich Gliebe (who in addition to temporarily soiling the position of National Chairman of the Alliance, has also not yet been relieved of his position as editor-in-chief of Resistance magazine). In any event, the NationalVanguard.org site is probably the most important on a day-to-day basis, and it remains in the hands of the authentic National Alliance leadership, rather than the corrupt clique that has briefly appropriated the formal titles of leadership at the National Office.
2005-04-20 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=askel5]The "Prussian Blue" twins? Does the Alliance give ribbons for breeding?[/QUOTE]
Not yet. "Prussian Blue" is the name of the nationalist musical act of which Ms. Gaede's twins are the principal participants.
2005-04-21 14:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Has Gliebe or Shaun Walker any skill as a broadcaster/essayist?[/QUOTE]
Gliebe's National Chairman commentaries in the Monthly Bulletin are passable, but not great. He probably receives help with them in order to bring them to that level. Its difficult to measure Mr. Walker's abilities, as I'm not aware of anything he's actually done, other than act as Gliebe's designated driver on the way home from The Titty Twister, or wherever they spend the Alliance's money during their evenings.
2005-04-21 15:52 | User Profile
[img]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/prussian_blue_cover01.jpg[/img]
Lynx and Lamb Gaede
2005-04-21 16:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.][img]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/prussian_blue_cover01.jpg[/img]
Lynx and Lamb Gaede[/QUOTE]
"FBI Investigates Jewish Threats Against White Activists Bloggers Targeting Gaede Twins May Face Arrest
4/20/2005 9:52:37 AM Discuss this story in the forum LSN Staff
Bakersfield, California -- A blog published by two angry Jewish girls who have stalked and threatened the children of white activist April Gaese has led to an FBI investigation for Jewish-supremacist hate crimes. According to a March 30 post on the blog, FBI agents questioned the Bakersfield, California bloggers and told them their actions in stalking Gaede's two young children, who sing folk music under the name "Prussian Blue", approach the level of ethnically-motived crimes.
The two Jewish girls have published anti-white statements and have both threatened to rape and murder the two elementary-school age white girls themselves and incited other to do so. They have published photos of the girls' home and threatened kidnap and other sexual crimes against children. The two have even formed a punk rock band and named it after the children's band, then placed the two in competition.
Such weird excessive and obsessive behavior from Jews is not new, but the fact that it involves the violent sexual targeting of children has crossed a line in ethnic hate violence that the FBI is apparently not willing to tolerate.
Jews, even in the mass media, regularly target the children of white activists for harassment -- the Orlando Sentinel's Bob Mahrburg, who threatened the children of National Socialist Movement activist Michael Blevins, is one recent ecample. Jews, as a people, dominate the criminal industry that trafficks in children and child porn, and several Jewish officials in the Zionist entity, such as the current Jewish diplomat to Australia are convicted child pornograpers and child prostitution organizers.
This example of Jewish hate, however, is not directly associated with any of the major anti-hate groups, but associated with the violent, mentally ill "anti-racist" / communist underground. Such groups, often led by people with severe emotional and sexual problems, like to throw urine and feces at people and feel any sort of perversion is justified in the name of opposing racism.'
[url]http://66.101.143.208/lsn/news.asp?articleID=7993[/url]
2005-04-21 17:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.][img]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/prussian_blue_cover01.jpg[/img]
Lynx and Lamb Gaede[/QUOTE]
I saw them perform at the 2001 Sacramento Eurofest, which Dr. Pierce attended, and to which he delivered the keynote address (he, I, and April Gaede actually spoke together for about 30 minutes or so, as the event wound down, as it happens). I don't think I've ever seen a man as emotionally moved by a musical performance as Dr. Pierce so clearly was seen to be by hearing nationalist ballads sung by two very young and characteristically Aryan girls, in utter rejection of the entire spiritual, esthetic and moral aspects of our multicultural societal millieu. There were hundreds in attendance, but this elderly man was the very first to bolt up onto his feet in fervent applause the instant the performance was over. In a sense, that's the definition of leadership; while some in attendance were unsure how to respond to the novelty of two very young, identical twins functioning as a musical act, Dr. Pierce demonstrated the appropriate response by example, and the less independently-inclined thinkers present (who will always constitute the numerical majority within virtually any context) all followed suit, with great and sincere enthusiasm, half a second later.
2005-04-22 05:27 | User Profile
National Alliance Self-Destructs Amid Acrimony
Posted: April 20, 2005
[url]http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/na_destructs_42005.htm?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_the_News[/url]
The United Statesââ¬â¢ largest neo-Nazi group, the National Alliance (NA), has begun a rapid collapse due to widespread anger and disaffection among its white supremacist membership regarding the groupââ¬â¢s leaders, Erich Gliebe and Shaun Walker.
A number of long-time members announced their departure from the NA and many of the neo-Nazi organizationââ¬â¢s local units rebelled en masse after reports circulated during the weekend of April 16-17 that NA chairman Gliebe had expelled long-time NA activist Kevin Strom and other well-established members from the groupââ¬â¢s ranks. Strom, a member of the group for more than 20 years, delivered the weekly American Dissident Voices radio broadcasts and ran the National Vanguard magazine and Web site.
National Alliance members claimed that the expulsions were a purge on the part of Gliebe and Walker, the groupââ¬â¢s Chief Operating Officer, to protect themselves from scrutiny and accusations by members. Since the death of NA founder William Pierce in 2002, controversy and acrimony have plagued the National Alliance. Detractors have accused Gliebe and Walker of mishandling the NA's finances and making disastrous decisions. Many members are also upset with Gliebe's fiancé, a former stripper and Playboy model allegedly on the NA payroll, since she does not fit in with their notion of ââ¬Åpure white womanhood.ââ¬Â
As a result of the uproar, Gliebe and Walker have cancelled the group's semi-annual leadership conference, which was to take place at the NA headquarters in West Virginia later in April. Walker claimed that Strom was trying to lead a coup against Gliebe and take the helm of the NA, and that Strom and his supporters were planning to cause a disturbance at the meeting. Accused along with Strom for hatching a plot against Gliebe was April Gaede, who has written for National Vanguard and was recently interviewed by Strom on his ADV radio broadcast.
As word circulated that Strom and others had been expelled, including the leaders of the large and active Sacramento, California, unit, a number of local units have said that they would continue their activities, but withhold their dues and allegiance to the national organization.
In the absence of capable leadership from Gliebe and Walker, much of the strength of the NA since Pierce's death has come from the local units, many of which have remained well organized and able to carry out a number of racist and anti-Semitic activities, including publicity-grabbing literature distributions and billboard postings. Now, many NA unit leaders and members have demanded that Gliebe and Walker resign their leadership positions.
Meanwhile, members and supporters continue to speculate about the future of the neo-Nazi group, including spreading rumors that Gliebe and Walker are planning on selling the NAââ¬â¢s assets, including the once profitable white power music company, Resistance Records. While some members have pushed for Strom to lead the group, others talk about regrouping and taking an active role in reforming the "leadership and ownership structure" of the neo-Nazi group.
Since the uncharismatic Gliebe took the helm of the National Alliance in 2002, its fortunes have done nothing but decline. These most recent purges, aimed at some of the last significant supporters that Gliebe and Walker have managed to hang onto, suggest the possibility of a complete disintegration of the NA, which for years has anchored the white supremacist movement in the United States and provided influence and support to a variety of haters and domestic terrorists, including Timothy McVeigh. It seems unlikely that the NA will survive as is; either the disintegration will continue and Gliebe and Walker will be left with no followers, or the disaffected current and former NA membership will attempt to forge a new white supremacist organization out of the wreckage of the NA.
2005-04-23 10:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hiser]Thanks to Gliebe/Walker, Dr. Pierce's hard work is being dissolved. In the future, white nationalist organizations need to learn that we can not appoint leadership to one man, but a council, in which no single person has the power to take control of the organization.
[url="http://www.NatScam.com"]www.NatScam.com[/url][/QUOTE]The concept of one man "fuehrer-prinzip" seems deeply imbedded in the NA as with American NS in general, which I keep noting, as with [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=110803&postcount=8]this thread[/URL] here.
2005-04-23 14:37 | User Profile
The leader principle worked fine when Pierce was around but once he died that's it. The problem is in the transition. Any man within the NA with the charisma of a Pierce would have left the organization and formed his own long before so he's not around when needed. What they should have done is recruited [I]outside[/I] the organization, but then that doesn't work either because the outsider would bring in his own people creating strong factions within. Leadership by committee has its own problems, i.e. institutionalized mediocrity. So what you gonna do?
2005-04-23 19:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]The leader principle worked fine when Pierce was around but once he died that's it. The problem is in the transition. Any man within the NA with the charisma of a Pierce would have left the organization and formed his own long before so he's not around when needed.
Great men united in a cause are supposed to be able to work together for the common good. So maybe the leader principle wasn't working so well after all.
The thread I referenced gives a succinct explanation of the origin of the leader principle.
Koehl maintained that National Socialism was Hitler, expressing a sort of Carlyle-style Great Man theory of history. Koehl accepted the rhetoric of Rudolf Hess, who proclaimed at Nuremburg in 1934: "The Party is Hitler just as the Party is Germany and Germany is Hitler". Koehl added that any person calling himself a National Socialist must acknowledge Hitler as the pivot of his world-view. (10) Nowhere does American Nazi literature discuss German Nazism as a movement which arose out of certain crises in German history, or as a product of various antecedents. In this respect the U.S. Nazis are akin to German Nazi race-theorist Alfred Rosenberg, who argued for a theory of limited roots for his movement; Rosenberg sought to maximise the role of Hitler and deny the NSDAP's connection with several philosophers and ideologies of the time. The only antecedents permitted for National Socialism were those which contributed to Hitler's personal development, ideas which Hitler absorbed in his youth and during the Great War. (11) The intellectual origins of National Socialism have been torturously analysed by scholars and certainly there was more to the movement than the dynamism of Hitler. (12) The important point here is that the American Nazis proclaimed National Socialism a doctrine - like Marxism - and not simply a manifestation.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=110803&postcount=8[/url]
What they should have done is recruited [I]outside[/I] the organization, but then that doesn't work either because the outsider would bring in his own people creating strong factions within. Leadership by committee has its own problems, i.e. institutionalized mediocrity. So what you gonna do?[/QUOTE]One thing you're going to do if you're honest is, in the authors terminology, treat your movement as a mainfestation from below rather than a doctrine propagated from on high. In other words the movement emmenates from the natural forces of a nation, defines, and is allowed to define the leadership, rather than something dictated from your philosopher-king or philosopher-council (the committee system) on high. This implies of course retaining real democracy.
The NA and NS movement in general has chosen to short-circuit the need for establishing such a system of concrete democracy and continually attack its exponents. We get to see the phenomenon of those who have followed them now watering history with their time and efforts, and nothing more, as the movement fracturs into a thousand competing factions and consumes itself in internal bloodletting. Which is inevitable, since the whole movement had been established on unreliable ground to begin with, and could never be successful.
Sad, but that's the way things work.
2005-04-23 21:15 | User Profile
Pierce was far brighter than Rockwell or Koehl--the Hollywood Nazi approach is absolutely counter-productive. How far would Hitler had got if he dressed his Stormtroopers in Napoleonic drag?
Still, the baggage of the "Turner Diaries" (linked below), etc limits the appeal of the NA to the mass of Middle-Class White Americans. For now...
[url]http://posse-comitatus.org/turner_diaries/[/url]
Th notorious "Day of the Rope" is Chapter XXIII.
2005-04-23 21:34 | User Profile
Pretty funny, similar to a level in one of the latest PC games. Someone has to come up with a mod where zombies are replaced with browns and blacks leaping at you.
2005-04-23 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Pierce was far brighter than Rockwell or Koehl--the Hollywood Nazi approach is absolutely counter-productive. How far would Hitler had got if he dressed his Stormtroopers in Napoleonic drag?
This guy seems to think that Rockwell was more flexible than you suggest
[QUOTE]For a brief period (1968-74) the U.S. Nazis were often the most vocal and activist section of the Extreme Right. They attempted to continue to develop Rockwell's agitational style and orient themselves towards American issues and political circumstances. [B]However, they tampered with Rockwell's syncretic ideology [/B] and placed an unbridgeable gap between themselves and the American people; [B]in place of Rockwell's developing American fascism they created a copyist National Socialism[/B]. By the close of the period covered by this study, other Extreme Right groups [B]had eclipsed the Nazis and were using ideological formulations more in the Rockwell tradition. [/B] [/QUOTE] etc. etc.
I can find other references for this also. By and large though not many of these people seem that interested in what the real story was,or listening to people point it out, at least at the type of forums where ersatz Rockwell admirers congregate.
Still, the baggage of the "Turner Diaries" (linked below), etc limits the appeal of the NA to the mass of Middle-Class White Americans. For now...
[url]http://posse-comitatus.org/turner_diaries/[/url]
Th notorious "Day of the Rope" is Chapter XXIII.[/QUOTE]Yes, it appears that even the smartest leaders seem to have an unfortunate record of leaving stupid baggage. Rockwell left Koehl and a misinterprable Nazi fetish image, just as Pierce left Gliebe and the Turner diaries.
2005-04-24 11:59 | User Profile
What these people donââ¬â¢t understand is that we are in this mess because of ** our ** disobedience to Godââ¬â¢s Laws. And as long as we continue in our disobedience, God will allow us to sink lower and lower, ** until ** we repent and cry out to Him. History is just repeating itselfââ¬Â¦
2005-05-04 03:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]The leader principle worked fine when Pierce was around but once he died that's it. The problem is in the transition. Any man within the NA with the charisma of a Pierce would have left the organization and formed his own long before so he's not around when needed. What they should have done is recruited outside the organization, but then that doesn't work either because the outsider would bring in his own people creating strong factions within. Leadership by committee has its own problems, i.e. institutionalized mediocrity. So what you gonna do?[/QUOTE] Interesting point. I think you are correct. :blow:
2005-05-04 03:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hiser]Thanks to Gliebe/Walker, Dr. Pierce's hard work is being dissolved. In the future, white nationalist organizations need to learn that we can not appoint leadership to one man, but a council, in which no single person has the power to take control of the organization.
[url="http://www.NatScam.com"]www.NatScam.com[/url][/QUOTE] I am not a member of the NA, but perhaps it is only going through a transition. I read soemwhere that Dr. Pierce willed all of the NA property to Gliebe personally. Putting too much power into the hands of one man is bound to lead to problems, especially when you consider the independent nature of most active members of an organization such as the NA. :mellow:
2005-05-04 03:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kasvict2]Interesting point. I think you are correct. :blow:[/QUOTE] Seemed to work right perhaps. A lot of us had our doubts about Pierce and the NA all along.
People who create this principle I think must only care about themselves, not their legacy, even if they're good at hiding this from their followers. The legacy of NS to WN. :thumbd:
2005-05-04 03:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Seemed to work right perhaps. A lot of us had our doubts about Pierce and the NA all along.
People who create this principle I think must only care about themselves, not their legacy, even if they're good at hiding this from their followers. The legacy of NS to WN. :thumbd:[/QUOTE]
Easy enough to be an armchair quarterback.
2005-05-04 04:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Easy enough to be an armchair quarterback.[/QUOTE]If I recall, that was the main criticism of the NA.
Including by people such as Tsun, even if he is not the best of people himself.
Re: [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50712&postcount=1]The N.A. - A ZOG False Front? [/URL]
2005-05-04 11:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]If I recall, that was the main criticism of the NA.
Including by people such as Tsun, even if he is not the best of people himself.
Re: [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50712&postcount=1]The N.A. - A ZOG False Front? [/URL][/QUOTE]
Finding a diatribe on the internet hardly equals "a main criticism".