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2005-04-11 05:10 | User Profile
Excperts from another group study list. The names have been removed.All comments were dated from April 4-8, 2005
Below is a short message about Jewish IQ from Michael Santomauro's list, at the end of this e-mail. First a few comments of my own. I'm not an expert on Jewish intelligence, but I have long felt uncomfortable with the assumption that the average IQ of Jews is 115. This just seems too high, based on all I know about IQ, and my considerable personal experience with Jews. First, if it were really 115, that's a humongous difference, and I would expect even greater success from them, given their obsessive, monomaniacal drive to succeed, ruthlessness, ethnocentric networking, and fanatical determination. Also, their parents place a huge emphasis on education, so they're considerably better-educated (on average), and better financed in whatever career they choose, and I believe that they simply work harder, on average, than we Gentiles do. (I dislike this latter conclusion, but I think it's true.)Second, I have known about 50 Jews (I made a list one time), a few I knew well, most only very slightly (largely in an academic setting where there's a selection for IQ). A few were brilliant, most were smart enough, and some were downright stupid. One guy on my list of Jews was in a Ph.D. program at UC Santa Barbara. His verbal and math GRE scores were both in the low 400s (which is below average, and which certainly wouldn't be high enough to get him admitted to any respectable graduate program in the entire country under ordinary circumstances). He was thoroughly dishonest, a real "dirtbag" to quote Imus, and he studied night and day (he literally lived in his office). His admission was arranged by a Jewish professor whose lab he worked in. Anyway, Richard Lynn thinks the best figure for Jewish IQ is 104, and RL is beyond brilliant, and he's definitely the world's expert on population differences in IQ (among other things), so that's something to think about.
==========Interesting, but the idea that Jewish IQ averages 115, or even 110, is propaganda. This contention and perception may make SOME of them very much smarter than they otherwise would have been, and that could help to explain SOME of their over-representation in positions of power and economic advantage. But, zog's boot on our neck is maintained by their social and political strategy. The FRAUDULENT claim that they have such a high average IQ is just one of their social defense ploys: "We DESERVE to rule over and exploit you because we are SO smart".This is just another of their many lies, and the goyim lap it all up like dogs on vomit.
==========They can't if ethnic nepotism and ethical conflicts of interest are accepted reality.Indeed, if such an ethnic group were to exist, fundamental ethical considerations would demand that they be removed from their positions of trust and authority and a separate ethnostate be set up to protect the interests of the locals.
==========I recall the claim that Jews right hand tail, I presume of the bell curve, might be larger than that of Whites. Also, when I traveled in Israel, I met lots of not very smart Jews, (per the National Israeli IQ of 94). West Coast Jews are probably smarter than East Coast Jews simply because the smarter ones get the hell out of there.Yeshiva students are self-selecting, or semi-so, claims that the smarter Jews are promoted to Rabbi school,, etc. a yeshiva study cannot be considered asrepresentative. Aren't there larger scale studies, wherein the dumber would seem to be included as well as the smarter?As for Jewish in-group solidarity and group promotion dirty tricks, I certainly cannot agree that this is OK. It is contrary to Anglo-Saxon fairplay, and, we all know that groups can be constituted in many ways, thus, any bandit gang can be considered not much different from a state's ruling oligarchs, etc, per Augustine. Thus I do hold it against the Jews ...their group solidarity, and it is one of the main ways that we can attack them....offensive to American standards, the Credo, etc.
===========One important thing to bear in mind about Richard Lynn's results on JewishIQ is that he's using the General Social Survey, which both he and I haveused in the past for studies of IQ and fertility. It's a huge,representative sample of adults -- not children. The GSS has been aroundfor decades, and from what I gather they are really meticulous about theirsampling methods. For a long time, people argued about whether or notdysgenic fertility existed in America, using one sample here, and anothersample there, but when I published (with Frank Bean) an analysis of therelationship between fertility and IQ in America for most of the 20thcentury, this was taken pretty seriously simply because the GSS is just sucha terrific data set. Richard Lynn's sample of Jews is not large, but itwould be hard to argue that it's not representative. (Parenthetically, theGSS is available to anyone (for a ballpark fee of $1500), and the vocabularytest goes back to 1982, so a much larger sample of Jews could be createdwith no trouble whatsoever.)One more parenthetical note: If people (especially psychologists) sit downwith this enormous book of all the questions in the GSS, and they actuallyread each one carefully, only extremely unimaginative people will come awaynot wanting to do a study about something. There are thousands ofquestions, mostly dumb, so going through it is a very long and boringprocess -- kind of like panning for gold -- but when you find something,it's so exciting!! You've already got the all the data right there, all youneed to do is analyze it. I've been wanting to do a study of honesty forsome time using the GSS. I could compare Jews and Gentiles, Democrats andRepublicans, ETC. If anyone else is interested in the honesty study, evenif you haven't done research before, please contact me off-list.Back to Lynn's study. If we assume his is the best measure of verbal IQthus far, the Jews overall average IQ would be several points less than107.5, because Jews have never done particularly well on the non-verbal partof the test. So this is why he talks in terms of 103-104 when he's talkingabout their IQ scores as a whole.Also, Jensen has written that if kids live in really extreme earlyenvironments, good or bad, they may not test accurately. For example, ifyou provide a kind of 'hothouse' for teaching kids, you can get IQs whichcan err somewhat on the high side, especially on verbal. That's apparentlywhat many, if not most, Jewish kids get, but this effect wears off as theyage. So Lynn's adult sample gets rid of this problem. That, plusnon-representativeness of the earlier samples, may help reconcile thoseresults with Lynn's results.Another minor thread concerns variance, someone saying that thevariance was really the important thing, and the Jews had greater variance.Frankly, I'll be amazed if the Jews' variance is a great deal larger. Butregardless, I don't agree that it's the variance, and not the mean, whichmatters when comparing population IQs. They both matter, but the meanmatters more because the variance is usually not dramatically different.(The Japanese are interesting in that regard, I realize that, but they areatypical.)
============I think Jewish INTEREST in chess accounts for a great deal. It is, in many respects, ideally suited to their propensities, and seems to provide them with opportunities for competition and domination, divorced, for the most part, from any real-world significance. Precisely because it is 'artificial' it does not particularly attract many Aryan personalities who have very high IQs. If, in fact, chess success IS a good proxy for IQ, let that be shown first, before following the Lion's flight of fancy. I recall posts from another list, showing that the best chess players are NOT those with the very highest IQs, though, of course, a positive correlation with IQ existed because of the threshold g necessary to play well. I suspect that the best players may be in the 2 to 3 SD range; smart enough to do it well, 'dumb' enough to think it is worth investing one's life in a game.I don't think ANY of the prizes mean much (albeit the science based prizes must be at least a little more related to ability than such nonsense as the Pulitzer or Peace prizes) since the Jews just give those to each other as part of their social strategy.I recall a recent case where there was an on-line 'pari-mutuel' for one of the Nobels; chemistry, I think. People very familiar with the field created a 'universe' of realistic candidates. I believe there were well over a hundred. The three winners were not even among the candidates and their work was done decades ago. Why were they chosen ... well, it was an opportunity to give a Nobel to a team of THREE jews at once. I am not trying to be argumentative. I simply think that the 'Jews are SO smart' meme causes people to assume that Jews DESERVE their dominion over us. A sort of Aryan good sportsmanship (well, they beat us fair and square) prevents most people from recognizing that they have been defrauded, impoverished, tyrannized (and may yet be exterminated) by a tribe of parasites.Accordingly, I suggest that wider publication of Lynn's scientific findings is more in our ethnic interests than hasty endorsement of the Lion's conclusions based on proxies that ASSUME undemonstrated correlations.
============It MAY be the case that Jews have higher variance, and thus a higher % inthe right tail, though I don't know of any studies that support such aspeculation. BUT (because they are such a small % of the total population)they should always be greatly outnumbered by whites in any American IQcohort. Thus, 'genius' cannot be a sufficient explanation for theirover-representation in positions of advantage. Also, the estimation of their %in the right tail will depend on their mean IQ. If one assumes thefraudulent 115, AND a high variability, then they can claim they 'deserve'to have their boot on our neck.
=========== Hello Friends:April 3, 2005Prof. Lynn in Ireland is the ultimate authority on IQ differences. In a semi-private conversation at an AR conference (Feb. 2001), he told me that the Jewish IQ outside of Israel is 103-104. As you know the Jewish IQ in Israel is 94...but...these are his words: "I don't understand why there is this push to say 110-115, by my colleagues, when there is no scientific study that proves that." Suggesting (in facial expressions) a political motive for this kind of promotion.By the way, a four (4) point difference is considered by the IQ purist to be a comparable range, meaning a statistical same or tie...See this link and his website.Enjoy!
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2005-04-11 06:45 | User Profile
Eastern European Jews have IQs that are approximately 15 points above the IQs of gentiles.
2005-04-11 11:59 | User Profile
One thing to remember about the Jews we meet in everyday life....that are not average Jews, they are well below average. That's why they associate with us, organized Jewry has little use for them. Jews know they are the Master Race and try to conceal it. It's dangerous to underestimate the enemy. They would not have gotten the upper hand if we were as smart as they are.
2005-04-11 12:06 | User Profile
[B][I] - "One thing to remember about the Jews we meet in everyday life....that are not average Jews, they are well below average."[/I][/B]
"The Jews we meet in everyday life" form a great majority of Jews, so they are "average Jews" [U]by definition[/U].
Besides, those ultra-Orthodox Jews that lurk in their own ghettoes and we [U]do not[/U] meet in everyday life are actually mostly [B]dumber[/B] than more social Jews due to their inbredness and dumbing-down Talmudic yeshiva education...
Petr
2005-04-11 12:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr] "The Jews we meet in everyday life" form a great majority of Jews, so they are "average Jews" [U]by definition[/U]. No. The rulers have no need to socialize with the servants.>
Besides, those ultra-Orthodox Jews that lurk in their own ghettoes and we [U]do not[/U] meet in everyday life are actually mostly [B]dumber[/B] than more social Jews due to their inbredness and dumbing-down Talmudic yeshiva education... Petr[/QUOTE]Point us to some of those ghettos, Petr. Their inbredness does not make them dumber. The Rothschilds are as inbred as anyone can get and they have the world at their fingertips.
2005-04-11 12:34 | User Profile
[B][I] - "No. The rulers have no need to socialize with the servants."[/I][/B]
Empty blather.
Your reverse Jew-worship is tedious, not to mention annoying.
[I][B] - "Point us to some of those ghettos, Petr."[/B][/I]
You ask me to provide some documentation about a well-known fact (AntiYuppie, New Yorker, has told us that orthodox Jews are dumber than secular ones), and do not even try to back up your own cockamamie social theories with some kind of empirical evidence? Please.
Petr
2005-04-11 12:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]
Empty blather.
Your reverse Jew-worship is tedious, not to mention annoying. [/QUOTE] Your purpose on this forum is obvious; to downplay the role of Jews in the marginalization of Whites.
2005-04-11 12:53 | User Profile
[B][I] - "Your purpose on this forum is obvious; to downplay the role of Jews in the marginalization of Whites."[/I][/B]
I do indeed believe that Jews are not nearly as much to blame for the decay of Western culture as paranoid and [B]half-[/B]educated people like you like to think.
All the profoundest anti-Semites in history have been intellectually honest enough to recognize that.
Petr
2005-04-11 13:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]
I do indeed believe that Jews are not nearly as much to blame for the decay of Western culture as paranoid and [B]half-[/B]educated people like you like to think.
All the profoundest anti-Semites in history have been intellectually honest enough to recognize that.
Petr[/QUOTE]You might fool a lot of folks here about who you are and what you're doing here but you don't fool me.
2005-04-11 13:10 | User Profile
[B][I] - "You might fool a lot of folks here about who you are and what you're doing here but you don't fool me." [/I][/B]
Whatever, you kook. People like you are totally counter-productive in fighting Jewish influence, because you make us all look ridiculous - I could just as well label you as an [I]agent provocateur[/I].
Petr
2005-04-11 13:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr] Whatever, you kook. People like you are totally counter-productive in fighting Jewish influence, because you make us all look ridiculous - I could just as well label you as an [I]agent provocateur[/I].
Petr[/QUOTE]I don't count you as "us all". Your purpose is to make an example of anyone who focuses on the fact that Jews are the root of our problems. Do you really think you can herd the folks here with your tactics?
2005-04-11 13:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]No. The rulers have no need to socialize with the servants.Point us to some of those ghettos, Petr. Their inbredness does not make them dumber. The Rothschilds are as inbred as anyone can get and they have the world at their fingertips.[/QUOTE]
That's right - inbreeding does not make them dumber. In the case of the Jews, it made them much smarter.
There really is no such thing as a dumb Jew per se. No matter where they live, they are smarter, as a rule, than White Europeans [as measured by IQ tests].
2005-04-11 13:27 | User Profile
[B][I] - "Your purpose is to make an example of anyone who focuses on the fact that Jews are the root of our problems." [/I][/B]
Oy, you are so poisecuted!
Seriously, what a lump of self-pity you are. Have you seen me "trying to make an example" of anyone else in here? Surely there a lots of "vicious anti-Semites" on this site for me to concentrate my ire upon?
There's a bona fide member of National Alliance in here (Kevin O'Keeffe) and he posts mostly very agreeable stuff because he controls himself and doesn't engage in wild flights of imagination at the inproper times.
Are you too dense to see the difference between his style and your own?
Petr
2005-04-11 14:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Eastern European Jews have IQs that are approximately 15 points above the IQs of gentiles.[/QUOTE] This is precisely what the original post was addressing. It quotes Richard Lynn as saying that that is a myth, and that the average Jewish IQ is 103-104 for those Jews outside Israel.
2005-04-11 14:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]This is precisely what the original post was addressing. It quotes Richard Lynn as saying that that is a myth, and that the average Jewish IQ is 103-104 for those Jews outside Israel.[/QUOTE]
See Dr. Kevin MacDonald's book "Separation and Its Discontents," page 1.
2005-04-11 15:26 | User Profile
[I][B] - "See Dr. Kevin MacDonald's book "Separation and Its Discontents," page 1."[/B][/I]
Could you explain to the rest of us what he writes in there that is relevant to this discussion?
(And Kevin MacDonald is not infallible, you know.)
Petr
2005-04-11 15:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][I][B] - "See Dr. Kevin MacDonald's book "Separation and Its Discontents," page 1."[/B][/I]
Could you explain to the rest of us what he writes in there that is relevant to this discussion?
(And Kevin MacDonald is not infallible, you know.)
Petr[/QUOTE]
You know, it seems to me like almost every time I say something about Jews, you appear and try to water-down what I said. Why is that?
Jews do, in fact, have higher IQs than Whites, on the average. It's a documented fact. I suggest that you deal with that fact.
2005-04-11 16:04 | User Profile
[B][I] - "You know, it seems to me like almost every time I say something about Jews, you appear and try to water-down what I said. Why is that?"[/I][/B]
Damn, Travis' petty paranoia seems to be contagious. Too many WNs react like spoiled sulking children when they are asked by outsiders to properly document their claims, and then wonder why people aren't impressed.
I am interested to know what MacDonald has to say about this issue.
Petr
2005-04-11 16:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][B][I] - "You know, it seems to me like almost every time I say something about Jews, you appear and try to water-down what I said. Why is that?"[/I][/B]
Damn, Travis' petty paranoia seems to be contagious. Too many WNs react like spoiled sulking children when they are asked by outsiders to properly document their claims, and then wonder why people aren't impressed.
I am interested to know what MacDonald has to say about this issue.
Petr[/QUOTE]
You don't own MacDonald's books??
2005-04-11 17:50 | User Profile
What gives the illusion that all Jews are "smart" is the fact that those people always work as a team with those with a real high IQ helping those with a lower one therein making them all "smart".
Think about it, have you ever seen a Jew work "alone" in anything?. Even while dancing on top of a van celebrating 9/11 there were five of them.
2005-04-12 02:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Jews do, in fact, have higher IQs than Whites, on the average. It's a documented fact. I suggest that you deal with that fact.[/QUOTE] C'mon. Jews in my opinion are rather dumb, and my opinion has been formulated by real world academic and business experiences with jews.
I will say this about jews, they are always calculating, or attempting to calculate the percentages, or probability of a given event happening. With the jew this type of fortune telling, may pass as intelligence with some people.
2005-04-12 06:37 | User Profile
Based on the available data, Jews certainly do seem to have a higher average IQ than Whites. But this is a more complex issue than a lot of people realize.
All valid IQ tests are designed to tap into a person's general abilities, and therefore such tests tend to correlate at least moderately well with each other. Nevertheless, the medium used to accomplish that task -- words, numbers, figures, or some combination of these -- varies widely from test to test.
A few tests, such as the Raven's Progressive Matrices, seek to tap into a testee's "raw" intelligence by asking him to complete reasoning tasks based on abstract figures. The test avoids reliance on word knowledge or math skills in order to minimize "contamination" of the measure due to a testee's prior education and learning. Tests that take this tack are often said to be measuring "fluid intelligence," which is thought to be rooted largely in an individual's biological makeup
Other tests attempt to test general intelligence primarily by surveying a testee's level of general knowledge or basic math and verbal skills, the idea being that smarter people will tend to acquire more knowledge and skills than dumber people by a certain age. In other words, there are tests that attempt to assess intelligence by measuring achievement in a broad sense. (Of course education and motivation will affect the results, so the correlation between "pure" intelligence and knowledge/skills is hardly perfect.) Such tests are said to be measuring "crystallized intelligence" because the abilities measured by the test have been "grown" in the "fluid" of a person's innate intelligence.
Fluid and crystallized intelligence are indeed distinct, as has been shown in studies of aging (which generally increases crystallized abilities but lowers fluid ability) and of alcoholism and brain damage (which lowers fluid ability but often leaves crystallized ability alone). Nevertheless, in most people they are highly correlated. Basically, the more fluid intelligence you have, the more crystallized intelligence you are capable of developing.
Anyway, here's where I'm going with this. According to what I've heard at least, Jews tend to perform especially well on verbal measures of intelligence. It is also well-known, however, that Jewish culture places a heavy emphasis on education. This makes it plausible that the Jewish-White IQ difference is due, at least in part, to greater motivation and and valuation of learning on the part of the Jews, since the latter can certainly affect scores on tests of crystallized intelligence. In order to test this hypothesis, we'd have to see some data from tests of fluid intelligence broken down along racial lines. So, whether the higher Jewish IQ is due to genetic or environmental facts (or some combination of the two) is really an open question until we have that data. I suspect it's a combination of both genes and environment.
(Incidentally, some might be wondering if the Black-White IQ difference can be explained by greater White motivation. Data pertaining to that question is available. It turns out that the Black-White IQ difference varies a bit from test to test, but the difference is largest on tests that measure fluid intelligence. So, while one could plausibly explain away Blacks' relatively low SAT and GRE scores by appealing to educational factors -- those are primarily tests of crystallized ability -- that explanation doesn't hold water when it comes to the even greater Black-White gap on tests such as the Raven's Progressive Matrices or the Cattell Culture-Fair Test.)
2005-04-12 07:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]C'mon. Jews in my opinion are rather dumb, and my opinion has been formulated by real world academic and business experiences with jews.
I will say this about jews, they are always calculating, or attempting to calculate the percentages, or probability of a given event happening. With the jew this type of fortune telling, may pass as intelligence with some people.[/QUOTE]
What??? Half the doctors and lawyers in the U.S. are Jewish, despite their low population numbers, yet you call them "dumb?"
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2005-04-12 11:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]What??? Half the doctors and lawyers in the U.S. are Jewish, despite their low population numbers, yet you call them "dumb?" [/QUOTE] When an alien power conquers a country and intends to stay it generally installs it's own administration and managerial class. Jewish social status in the USA is unremarkable in comparison to, say, Britons in India during the British Raj. Jewish media is the new East India Company.
2005-04-12 17:07 | User Profile
Something wrong somewhere and I given up in believing in IQ tests, with a 10th grade education my IQ was shown to be, as tested by the Army, of 110 and 117 and as tested by Mensa of 123.
All I can come up with is that they are telling me how intelligent I am and not how "smart" I am for I can't even tell you the alphabet in it's proper order.
I don't mind telling you that in my sixty five years I have known many people who are both intelligent and smart (my dad being one of them) and others that while smart were not intelligent and vice versa.
I feel that a real IQ test should be based in common sense and not in numbers or letters because many people that have never gone to school have more than made it in society with no problems.
I knew an old black man in Cuba who could not read or drive a car and yet even car racers used to go to his shop with their cars in order for him to work on them, he didn't even have a car manual at his shop.
2005-04-12 18:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]What??? Half the doctors and lawyers in the U.S. are Jewish, despite their low population numbers, yet you call them "dumb?"[/QUOTE] You are exaggerating like a jew. :caiphas: Itz the disproportionate number of jews that have gravitated to certain professions either by hook or crook---that is the problem.
No, I'm not impressed by either jew lawyers or jew doctors...are you impressed by colored lawyers or colored doctors? :smartass:
2005-04-12 19:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]I'm not impressed by either jew lawyers or jew doctors...are you impressed by colored lawyers or colored doctors? :smartass:[/QUOTE]I'm not impressed by our rulers, they have gotten is this position by being stupid and we have gotten ourselves tied up and naked with rear ends sticking out because we are clever.
2005-04-12 23:30 | User Profile
From the research I have done on this issue, I believe that the average Jewish IQ might be slightly higher than that of the average gentile -- but maybe not -- there are many factors to consider.
First, I have read certain articles that stated that early eastern european jews practiced eugenic breeding (selective breeding.) I.E., the smartest men in the jewish tribe were always made to procreate with the smartest female jews in an organized calculated manner. A practice such as this done over successive generations could indeed create a significant gene pool of intelligent people.
Second, the Jews have been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered in organized efforts for centuries. Many of the survivors of these occurences probably survived because of their intelligence. I.E., only the smartest jews have survived through the centuries by evading these efforts through their intellectual cunning. Basically, modern jews have become a by-product of natural selection -- the by-product being more intelligent than the original product.
Third, if you combine the above two factors, it is very concievable that you will be left with a small race with above average intelligence.
Fourth, we must now factor in the modern jewish tradition of stressing education in the household. Jewish children from day one are taught "adult" intellectual concepts. This ends up giving them a severe edge in the school environment -- This is generally speaking.
Once the above factors are considered, it is my opinion that it makes perfect sense why jews score high on IQ tests on average. Even a jew that is not genetically gifted intellectually, will score relatively high on an IQ test because intellectual concepts have been part of his drill since he was a child.
Now lets look at why gentiles may score lower on average on IQ tests. First, gentiles as a whole have been out of tribal status for at least 1,000 years roughly. I have never read info that suggests that eugenic breeding was ever practiced in a gentile culture through out any of the more prominant European countries. But let's think about this: There was never any reason for such a practice in gentile cultures. Gentiles have long since been very numerous in their population numbers. Thus, naturally there have been enough intellectuals to propel these cultures from a scientific standpoint (scientists, engineers, politicians) while there have been naturally more than enough non-intellectuals (but no less important to gentile society) who build the societies. I.E., carpenters, laborers, soldiers.
Thus, in Modern American society, the gentile population is a desendant example of this naturally evolved gentile disparity between intellectuals and "builders." When considering this alleged genetic disparity, the subcultures between the gentile intellectuals and "builders" has acted on a continuem: The smaller intellectual class continues to stress education in the family, while dexterity and physical prowess is continually stressed in the "builder's" families. Therefore, the smaller intellectual class of gentile intellectuals score high on IQ tests, while the "builders" score relatively low. Thus, since the gentile "builder" class is vastly larger than its intellectual class, the average gentile IQ score will be pulled downward below the average of our Jewish counterparts.
It is also my opinion that many gentile individuals belonging to the "builder" class do indeed possess intellectual gifts that are untapped due to their environment. If these people were educated on an intense basis like their fellow gentile intellectuals, their IQ scores would vastly improve.
2005-04-13 01:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Pennsylvania_Dutch]You are exaggerating like a jew. :caiphas: Itz the disproportionate number of jews that have gravitated to certain professions either by hook or crook---that is the problem.
No, I'm not impressed by either jew lawyers or jew doctors...are you impressed by colored lawyers or colored doctors? :smartass:[/QUOTE]
"Colored" doctors and lawyers have nothing to do with this issue. The issue that I am talking about is Jews.
Again, Eastern European Jews do have IQs higher than gentiles, due to the historic, centuries-long inbreeding of the smartest Jews within the Jewish communities.
2005-04-13 01:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel]From the research I have done on this issue, I believe that the average Jewish IQ might be slightly higher than that of the average gentile -- but maybe not -- there are many factors to consider.
First, I have read certain articles that stated that early eastern european jews practiced eugenic breeding (selective breeding.) I.E., the smartest men in the jewish tribe were always made to procreate with the smartest female jews in an organized calculated manner. A practice such as this done over successive generations could indeed create a significant gene pool of intelligent people.
Second, the Jews have been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered in organized efforts for centuries. Many of the survivors of these occurences probably survived because of their intelligence. I.E., only the smartest jews have survived through the centuries by evading these efforts through their intellectual cunning. Basically, modern jews have become a by-product of natural selection -- the by-product being more intelligent than the original product.
Third, if you combine the above two factors, it is very concievable that you will be left with a small race with above average intelligence.
Fourth, we must now factor in the modern jewish tradition of stressing education in the household. Jewish children from day one are taught "adult" intellectual concepts. This ends up giving them a severe edge in the school environment -- This is generally speaking.
Once the above factors are considered, it is my opinion that it makes perfect sense why jews score high on IQ tests on average. Even a jew that is not genetically gifted intellectually, will score relatively high on an IQ test because intellectual concepts have been part of his drill since he was a child.
Now lets look at why gentiles may score lower on average on IQ tests. First, gentiles as a whole have been out of tribal status for at least 1,000 years roughly. I have never read info that suggests that eugenic breeding was ever practiced in a gentile culture through out any of the more prominant European countries. But let's think about this: There was never any reason for such a practice in gentile cultures. Gentiles have long since been very numerous in their population numbers. Thus, naturally there have been enough intellectuals to propel these cultures from a scientific standpoint (scientists, engineers, politicians) while there have been naturally more than enough non-intellectuals (but no less important to gentile society) who build the societies. I.E., carpenters, laborers, soldiers.
Thus, in Modern American society, the gentile population is a desendant example of this naturally evolved gentile disparity between intellectuals and "builders." When considering this alleged genetic disparity, the subcultures between the gentile intellectuals and "builders" has acted on a continuem: The smaller intellectual class continues to stress education in the family, while dexterity and physical prowess is continually stressed in the "builder's" families. Therefore, the smaller intellectual class of gentile intellectuals score high on IQ tests, while the "builders" score relatively low. Thus, since the gentile "builder" class is vastly larger than its intellectual class, the average gentile IQ score will be pulled downward below the average of our Jewish counterparts.
It is also my opinion that many gentile individuals belonging to the "builder" class do indeed possess intellectual gifts that are untapped due to their environment. If these people were educated on an intense basis like their fellow gentile intellectuals, their IQ scores would vastly improve.[/QUOTE]A perfect example of unabashed pseudo-intellectualism at it's finest...
My hat's off to ya', Winnie. You're obviously of the opinion, "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull****!"
Cheers!
2005-04-13 02:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ledhead V-2]A perfect example of unabashed pseudo-intellectualism at it's finest...
My hat's off to ya', Winnie. You're obviously of the opinion, "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull****!"
Cheers![/QUOTE] I never claimed to be authoritative on this issue. Can we please get your theory on the disparity between gentile and jewish IQ scores?
Just a theory -- you bitter fool...
2005-04-13 02:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]"Colored" doctors and lawyers have nothing to do with this issue. The issue that I am talking about is Jews.
Again, Eastern European Jews do have IQs higher than gentiles, due to the historic, centuries-long inbreeding of the smartest Jews within the Jewish communities.
-------[/QUOTE] Hey Deadhead,
Looks like one of those "veteran members" who you said would run me off in no time agrees with me. Franco's above quote reiterates one of the factors in my post.....
2005-04-13 02:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel]I never claimed to be authoritative on this issue. Can we please get your theory on the disparity between gentile and jewish IQ scores?
Just a theory -- you bitter fool...[/QUOTE]Winslow: "From the [u]research[/u] I have done on this issue..."
Oh, sure sounds like it to me...
LOL!!
2005-04-13 03:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ledhead V-2]Winslow: "From the [u]research[/u] I have done on this issue..."
Oh, sure sounds like it to me...
LOL!![/QUOTE] Dude,
Doing research on a topic does not purport authoritativeness. And please enlighten us on your "Jewish IQ" theory, instead of coming on this thread solely to be an azzhole.
And please address the fact that Veteran Member Franco agrees me (at least in part) on Jewish IQ. But you never address specifics. You soley attack me with vast generalities (mainly conspiracy theory that any DOOSHBAG that has internet access could learn), or my inability to hit spellcheck.
2005-04-13 15:15 | User Profile
The Tribe is a brilliant and clever people, certainly...though the Scots, Greeks and Japanese have higher average individual I.Q.'s.
Jewry's collective I.Q. may be the highest. But why have they repeatedly been expelled by Host Nations across the millenia? Their survival strategies are too innately parasitic not eventually to arouse violent resentment...
2005-04-13 15:21 | User Profile
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2005-04-14 00:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel]Dude,
Doing research on a topic does not purport authoritativeness. And please enlighten us on your "Jewish IQ" theory, instead of coming on this thread solely to be an azzhole.
And please address the fact that Veteran Member Franco agrees me (at least in part) on Jewish IQ. But you never address specifics. You soley attack me with vast generalities (mainly conspiracy theory that any DOOSHBAG that has internet access could learn), or my inability to hit spellcheck.[/QUOTE]You're a liar, Winslow -- plain and simple. I dare anyone here to read your "dissertation" on Jewish IQ and tell me that you don't come-off as trying to sound "authoritative" on the subject.
Personally, I don't care who agrees with you on Jewish IQ. (What, are you a little puppy or something? You get all excited and start wagging tour tail if someone remotely agrees with you? Is such a moment that rare?)
My "theory" on Jewish IQ? I don't have a theory, Winslow, merely an opinion. (I too believe the 15 point difference is exaggerated).The reason I posted in this thread in the first place was simply to remark on a post that I thought to be a totally fraudulent piece of trash posted by someone trying to give the impression he knows what the hell he's talking about.
Like I've said elsewhere on this board, Winslow -- I believe you're a poseur desperately trying to impress others. This is all...
2005-04-14 02:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ledhead V-2]You're a liar, Winslow -- plain and simple. I dare anyone here to read your "dissertation" on Jewish IQ and tell me that you don't come-off as trying to sound "authoritative" on the subject.
Personally, I don't care who agrees with you on Jewish IQ. (What, are you a little puppy or something? You get all excited and start wagging tour tail if someone remotely agrees with you? Is such a moment that rare?)
My "theory" on Jewish IQ? I don't have a theory, Winslow, merely an opinion. (I too believe the 15 point difference is exaggerated).The reason I posted in this thread in the first place was simply to remark on a post that I thought to be a totally fraudulent piece of trash posted by someone trying to give the impression he knows what the hell he's talking about.
Like I've said elsewhere on this board, Winslow -- I believe you're a poseur desperately trying to impress others. This is all...[/QUOTE]
You know, there is an old saying: 'when in doubt, ask an expert.'
I base my opinions about the Jews based on the writings of experts. Do you?
2005-04-14 03:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]You know, there is an old saying: "when in doubt, ask an expert.'
------[/QUOTE]LOL! How deep...
Anyway --
No, I don't entirely rely on the writings of "experts" to base my opinions on Jews. I'm 51 y.o., grew up in a heavily-Jewish neighborhood on Long Island (my school district was approx. 20% Jewish), and have worked with more Jews (the majority being intelligent by anyone's standards) than I care to remember over the years. This is what I base my opinion on, Franco -- the testimony of experts and personal experience.
btw -- lighten-up there a bit, Sport. I was'nt taking a shot at you there in my last post to Winslow -- I was just telling him that he was acting like a little kid. We square on that?
2005-04-14 03:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ledhead V-2]LOL! How deep...
Anyway --
No, I don't entirely rely on the writings of "experts" to base my opinions on Jews. I'm 51 y.o., grew up in a heavily-Jewish neighborhood on Long Island (my school district was approx. 20% Jewish), and have worked with more Jews (the majority being intelligent by anyone's standards) than I care to remember over the years. This is what I base my opinion on, Franco -- the testimony of experts and personal experience.
btw -- lighten-up there a bit, Sport. I was'nt taking a shot at you there in my last post to Winslow -- I was just telling him that he was acting like a little kid. We square on that?[/QUOTE] Sure.
2005-04-14 14:44 | User Profile
Just to clarify, the original post did not claim that Jews did not have above average IQs. It estimated average Ashkenazi Jewish IQ at 103-104, which is above the American average of 100. The article merely disputed the figure that is often cited that the average Ashkenazi Jewish IQ is 115, which is well above average.
2005-04-14 17:27 | User Profile
It is not that the oil price is "high" but that the dollar is "low".
It is not that the Jews IQ is "hight" but that the Goys is "low".
American average is 103-104? ayyyyyyy mama in that case I am glad to be a dumb Cuban refugee with an IQ of 110,117,123 as tested by the US Army and Mensa. :thumbsup:
2005-04-14 20:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]It is not that the oil price is "high" but that the dollar is "low".
It is not that the Jews IQ is "hight" but that the Goys is "low".
American average is 103-104? ayyyyyyy mama in that case I am glad to be a dumb Cuban refugee with an IQ of 110,117,123 as tested by the US Army and Mensa. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE] Well, just for the record: It seems to me that just about every cultural success of Jews as well as Latinos has been within the context of Western Goy culture.
2005-04-14 21:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill] the American average of 100. [/QUOTE]I believe you mean the White average.
2005-04-14 21:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel]Well, just for the record: It seems to me that just about every cultural success of Jews as well as Latinos has been within the context of Western Goy culture.[/QUOTE]Hallelujah!! We finally agree on something.
Good post. :thumbsup:
2005-04-14 23:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel]Well, just for the record: It seems to me that just about every cultural success of Jews as well as Latinos has been within the context of Western Goy culture.[/QUOTE]
Yes Winslow, even I a "latino" is a goy according to the Jews.
As you know a goy is anyone who is not a Jew, by the way it is my understanding that the word "goy" means dead cow or cattle.
2005-04-15 03:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Yes Winslow, even I a "latino" is a goy according to the Jews.
As you know a goy is anyone who is not a Jew, by the way it is my understanding that the word "goy" means dead cow or cattle.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I thought you were equating "goy" with American white people. Misunderstood the context of your words.....my bad.
2005-04-15 03:58 | User Profile
No amigo, you are thinking of "Gringo" as said by a "Latino" hahahaahahha.
2005-04-15 04:24 | User Profile
Hey: recently graduating from law school, "Goy" always meant slander toward us whites. No qualms with ya Ponce.....
In my law school, Jews always seemed to puppeteer the Espanics by pandering to their liberal politics. And by the way were very successful at it--even more so than against liberally inclined whites. There were plenty of hideous Jews banging beautiful Latin women by simply catering to their liberal mind set. It was sad!
I know what "Gringo" means -- I least I think. My ex-Puerto Rican girlfriend told me the word "Gringo" derived from the English term "Green Go." I.E., it was Puerto Rican slang derogatory against the American soldiers that initially occupied Puerto Rico. The word basically meant "American soldiers (dressed in green) that are occupying our country -- get out of here!"
2005-04-15 10:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel] it was Puerto Rican slang derogatory against the American soldiers that initially occupied Puerto Rico. The word basically meant "American soldiers (dressed in green) that are occupying our country -- get out of here!"[/QUOTE]Maybe it's time we started calling the PRs "gringos"...
2005-04-15 14:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ledhead V-2]I believe you mean the White average.[/QUOTE] Well, all the articles I've read concerning Rushton's [u]IQ of Nations[/u] indicates that the average IQ for most of Europe and for North America (excluding Mexico) is 98. They do not specify the white populations of those areas, so I am assuming that the sometimes significant minority populations are factored in. If you have the results of a study that is exclusively racially-based, instead of nation-based, I would be glad to hear about it.
2005-04-15 17:58 | User Profile
Hehehehehehee Winslow, only kidding my friend I myself am half Gringo from my mothers side and more than a Gringo I am a Irish Gringo ayyyyy mama.
Boy oh boy, talking about having a bad temper.....lucky for me I have cooled down a lot in my old age but for my feeling about the Zionists.
2005-04-15 22:15 | User Profile
"If you have the results of a study that is exclusively racially-based, instead of nation-based, I would be glad to hear it." -- Quantrill
No, I'm afraid I have nothing on it -- I was just under the assumption all these years that the White average was around 100, Hispanic about 92-93, and Black in the neighborhood of 85. If what you're saying is true, that would mean the average White IQ is considerably higher than 100 if we factor in the Hispanic population at about 14% and Blacks at 13%. (Jews and Asians -- with somewhat slightly higher IQs than Whites -- would not smooth things out all that much with their percentages of the US population being about 2-3% and 4-5%, respectively). And if I'm not mistaken, I read in "The Bell Curve" that the White average was about 100.
Could be wrong though...
anyone else have input?
2005-04-15 23:23 | User Profile
Leadhead? 100 was supposed to be the "general" average for everyone but that was long ago with the average for the ones you call "whites" being 97 to 98 at this time.
Thanks to Nintendo, TV and so on.
I am very sorry to see that the Japanese people are heading the same way.
2005-04-16 00:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Leadhead? 100 was supposed to be the "general" average for everyone but that was long ago with the average for the ones you call "whites" being 97 to 98 at this time.
Thanks to Nintendo, TV and so on.
I am very sorry to see that the Japanese people are heading the same way.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I'm not buying any of this...
thanks anyway.
2005-04-16 02:41 | User Profile
Interesting discussion and links: [url="http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-178176IQ_Standard_Deviations_among_Jews,_non-Jews.html"]http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-178176IQ_Standard_Deviations_among_Jews,_non-Jews.html[/url]
2005-04-16 04:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Leadhead? 100 was supposed to be the "general" average for everyone but that was long ago with the average for the ones you call "whites" being 97 to 98 at this time.
Thanks to Nintendo, TV and so on.
I am very sorry to see that the Japanese people are heading the same way.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the average IQ has increased over the last 50 years at the rate of about 3 IQ points per decade in Western countries. It's called [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect]the Flynn effect[/URL]. Standardized IQ tests are recalibrated every few years to keep the mean at 100, meaning that the are harder than they used to be. This makes it difficult to do comparisons between populations using tests taken many years apart, unless you correct for the difference or assume that both populations experience the Flynn effect at the same rate. According to Flynn, the reason for the increase is environmental, not genetic.
P.S. I think you would be surprised at the effect of video games on IQ. I would guess that they actually increase it.
2005-04-16 07:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]Actually, the average IQ has increased over the last 50 years at the rate of about 3 IQ points per decade in Western countries. It's called [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect]the Flynn effect[/URL]. Standardized IQ tests are recalibrated every few years to keep the mean at 100, meaning that the are harder than they used to be. This makes it difficult to do comparisons between populations using tests taken many years apart, unless you correct for the difference or assume that both populations experience the Flynn effect at the same rate. According to Flynn, the reason for the increase is environmental, not genetic.
P.S. I think you would be surprised at the effect of video games on IQ. I would guess that they actually increase it.[/QUOTE] One interesting thing about the Flynn Effect -- which has been proven to be real but for which a satisfactory explanation remains elusive -- is that it seems to disproportionately affect tests that focus more on "pure reasoning," or fluid intelligence. Tests that focus on crystallized intelligence, or acquired abilities that are developed throughout life (e.g., vocabulary, reading comprehension, math skills), seem to be less susceptible to the Flynn Effect.
As far as video games go, they seem to improve some mental abilities -- important ones -- though not necessarily intelligence per se. Here's a good article on that:
[url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0528_030528_videogames.html[/url]
2005-04-16 11:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper]Actually, the average IQ has increased over the last 50 years at the rate of about 3 IQ points per decade in Western countries. It's called [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect"]the Flynn effect[/url]. Standardized IQ tests are recalibrated every few years to keep the mean at 100, meaning that the are harder than they used to be. This makes it difficult to do comparisons between populations using tests taken many years apart, unless you correct for the difference or assume that both populations experience the Flynn effect at the same rate. According to Flynn, the reason for the increase is environmental, not genetic.
P.S. I think you would be surprised at the effect of video games on IQ. I would guess that they actually increase it.[/QUOTE] Interesting piece...
One of the more controversial elements cited for the increase is "heterosis", a phenomenon in which [u]plant[/u] and [u]animal[/u] offspring sometimes exhibit greater speed, strength, and overall faster growth rates than their "mix n' match" parents. It goes on to say that some people believe hybrid animals to be superior to their biological parents. Odd, we know that virtually all dog breeders and owners prefer their animals pure-bred, i.e., no mutts, thank you.
I can see, however, where Blacks and Hispanics would want to intermarry/breed with Whites and Asians, but to my way of thinking, it's "de-evolutionary" for Whites and Asians to reproduce with them. Hell, I'll take a child with a dozen or so "extra" IQ points over one with half a brain and the ability to slam-dunk a basketball any day.
just my two cents...
2005-04-16 17:13 | User Profile
Leadhead, thanks to you I now know where my 110-123 IQ comes from and it comes from my father (a latino with two degrees from the university of Georgia Tech) interbreeding with a "white American Irish" woman.
And all this time I though that it came from the fact that I love to read everything and anything, including your posting.
2005-04-16 17:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Leadhead, thanks to you I now know where my 110-123 IQ comes from and it comes from my father (a latino with two degrees from the university of Georgia Tech) interbreeding with a "white American Irish" woman.
And all this time I though that it came from the fact that I love to read everything and anything, including your posting.[/QUOTE]You're one of the few posters on this board who does not impress me in the least with his "intelligence." You say your IQ's in the vicinity of 110-123? It appears to me that it's more in the typical Hispanic range of 92-93, but, who knows...
(Funny how everyone who posts their IQs on message boards always seem to lay claim to an intelligence level well above the White norm of 100).
Just because I did'nt buy your half-baked answer to my post, that does'nt give you license to get your panties in a bunch and throw a hissy fit. Try developing a thicker skin, you'll find it saves you a lot of anxiety.
btw -- it's the Georgia Institute of Technology, not the "university" of Georgia Tech....(are you [u]sure[/u] your father attended this school?)
2005-04-16 19:38 | User Profile
Leadhead, if I do "impress" or not is irrelevant to me because what is important to me is what I think and not what you think.
As far as my IQ goes sometimes I do wonder about it myself and I keep thinking that maybe I got lucky three out of three times but who knows.
However I can tell you that I did make my money with my own invention and my own company and that's not bad at all for a person with a 10th grade education.
About my dad attending the University of Georgia Tech? I think in Spanish and all we have in Cuba are universitys.
By the way I could be like you and insult you back but what for? you are what you are and you can't help it, can you teach a monkey to sing?
2005-04-16 19:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Leadhead, if I do "impress" or not is irrelevant to me because what is important to me is what I think and not what you think.
As far as my IQ goes sometimes I do wonder about it myself and I keep thinking that maybe I got lucky three out of three times but who knows.
However I can tell you that I did make my money with my own invention and my own company and that's not bad at all for a person with a 10th grade education.
About my dad attending the University of Georgia Tech? I think in Spanish and all we have in Cuba are universitys.
By the way I could be like you and insult you back but what for? you are what you are and you can't help it, can you teach a monkey to sing?[/QUOTE]I oughtta verbally slap the ever-livin' dogs*** out of ya' for that "monkey" crack, but, since I feel it went over like a "Led" Balloon (nyuck nyuck!)....
catcha later,
2005-04-16 22:59 | User Profile
LOL PencilHead, I forgot that Jews hate being called monkeys and I would like to say that I am "sorry" but I am not hahahahaahah.
And the part about "slaping" me? Only a woman "slaps" therefore I am beginning to wonder about your gender, but again it is what you are and your way so I hope that you are happy with it.
2005-04-16 23:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]LOL PencilHead, I forgot that Jews hate being called monkeys and I would like to say that I am "sorry" but I am not hahahahaahah.
And the part about "slaping" me? It is very easy to talk big from behind your comp but again it is your way so I hope that you are happy with it.[/QUOTE]Ooooo! Calm down there, Paco -- it's only a post, fer chrissake!!
(Jeesh! and these people wonder why we keep 'em away from the cutlery when we have 'em over for dinner!)
Oh, andt vun more thingk. Vhat makes you think I'm Jewish, youngk man?!! Hmm?
catcha tomorrow,
2005-04-16 23:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce] And the part about "slaping" me? Only a woman "slaps" therefore I am beginning to wonder about your gender, but again it is what you are and your way so I hope that you are happy with it.[/QUOTE]LOL!! Would'nt that be something, eh, Pablo?! You -- a tough, macho, Latino veteran with...how many posts under your belt? -- getting your ass handed to you in a thread by a woman!....and a newbie at that!!
*LOL!! *
Later, amigo...
p.s. And oh yeah -- a JEWISH, female newbie kicking your ass!!
2005-04-17 01:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Later, amigo...
p.s. And oh yeah -- a JEWISH, female newbie kicking your ass!![/QUOTE]
????
2005-04-17 02:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]????
---------------[/QUOTE]LOL! Ya' hadda be there...
actually, Ponce and I were just having a little fun....were'nt we, Ponce?
2005-04-17 03:13 | User Profile
As you can see I don't loose my temper or insult you, if something bothers me is only because I let it bother me therefore you would not be the one to blame.
Something is important only if you give it any importance and you are not that important to me and that's why I do enjoy reading your nonsense's.
2005-04-24 01:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]See Dr. Kevin MacDonald's book "Separation and Its Discontents," page 1.
-----[/QUOTE]
MacDonald relied on the same flawed info others used when crediting jews with an artificially high average IQ. It's around 108 for the self chosen, with a narrower Standard Deviation than that of European Whites. If you look into it, the 'average' for Ashkenazi jews kept climbing and climbing over the years. I suspect it was the rabbi behind the curtain manipulating things to have that average go from 107, to 110, to 112, to 115, to 117... They are studious, as are East Asians. A jew with an IQ of 110 with his (generally ample) nose to the grindstone is going to outperform an unfocused white with an IQ of 130. Factor in the groupthink, nepotism, cronyism, etc. of jews and they are quite formidable beyond IQ. But everyone here knows this anyway.
The Flynn effect has yet to be actually proven. Some suspect the rise in visuospatial IQ among Caucasians is due to babies receiving much more visual stimulation than in the past.
2005-04-24 02:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Roy Batty]I suspect it was the rabbi behind the curtain manipulating things to have that average go from 107, to 110, to 112, to 115, to 117... .[/QUOTE] There is no motive for Jews to make their high intellect known. The opposite is true. There is no strategic value in telling the world how clever they are. On the other hand, gentiles driven by vanity rather than strategy tend to overstate their intellect. Jews have not gotten in the position they are in by pursuing their vanities. We have.
2005-04-24 21:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]There is no motive for Jews to make their high intellect known. The opposite is true. There is no strategic value in telling the world how clever they are. On the other hand, gentiles driven by vanity rather than strategy tend to overstate their intellect. Jews have not gotten in the position they are in by pursuing their vanities. We have.[/QUOTE]
Oh, they passively push notions of their 'superiority'. Constantly. Their believing in the idea that they are top dog, the chosen, and so on has definitely been one vanity they have whole-heartedly pursued.
2005-04-25 16:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE]MacDonald relied on the same flawed info others used when crediting jews with an artificially high average IQ. It's around 108 for the self chosen....[/QUOTE] Funny thing, though -- I never encounter [I]any[/I] Jews with IQ's that I would estimate to be under 108. There must be a left side of their bell curve, but where all these Jews with 90-107 IQ's? In Israel? In South Florida? Is that where their "wretched refuse" has congregated? If so, is that even relevant to the discussion, which is directed at understanding the influence of the Jewish community in the diaspora? Do I just overestimate their IQ's because they are so verbally facile but deficient in ways that are less esasily determined?
2005-05-09 03:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]Funny thing, though -- I never encounter any Jews with IQ's that I would estimate to be under 108. There must be a left side of their bell curve, but where all these Jews with 90-107 IQ's? In Israel? In South Florida? Is that where their "wretched refuse" has congregated? If so, is that even relevant to the discussion, which is directed at understanding the influence of the Jewish community in the diaspora? Do I just overestimate their IQ's because they are so verbally facile but deficient in ways that are less esasily determined?[/QUOTE] I've met plenty of dumb jews. I too believe their astronomically high average IQ is exaggerated. Obviously, they would want to propagandize their alleged high IQ so they could give empirical evidence to explain their over-representation in society's intellectual occupations.
This "high IQ" explanation draws attention away from their tribal manipulation of American society.....
2005-05-09 11:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel] Obviously, they would want to propagandize their alleged high IQ so they could give empirical evidence to explain their over-representation in society's intellectual occupations.[/QUOTE] I disagree. They don't want the goyim to figure out they are the master race and the dominant world power and they use their influence to divert scrutiny away from that fact. Only when their over-representation is scrutinized do they give a song and dance about how in their culture more parental hours are given each child and how education is emphasized. I do agree, however that there are dumb Jews out there, but their average IQ of 117 is not exaggerated.
2005-05-11 02:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=travis]I disagree. They don't want the goyim to figure out they are the master race and the dominant world power and they use their influence to divert scrutiny away from that fact. Only when their over-representation is scrutinized do they give a song and dance about how in their culture more parental hours are given each child and how education is emphasized. I do agree, however that there are dumb Jews out there, but their average IQ of 117 is not exaggerated.[/QUOTE] Master race? If you say so. I don't care how smart they are. There is no way such an ugly and physically incapable race is my master...
:cheers:
2005-05-11 10:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Winslowkimmel]Master race? If you say so. I don't care how smart they are. There is no way such an ugly and physically incapable race is my master...
:cheers:[/QUOTE]One does not need to be handsome and physically graceful or atheletic to position onesself at the world's control panel. Perhaps their aethetic inferiority only helps motivate them to annihilate us.