← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Howard Campbell, Jr.
Thread ID: 17627 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-04-03
2005-04-03 23:43 | User Profile
By former Colorado Governor Lamm:
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The Denver Post richard d. lamm
There's nothing cheap about immigrant labor By Richard D. Lamm
[url]http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~158~2792220,00.html#[/url]
Sunday, April 03, 2005 -
It is easy to see why illegal immigrants are attractive to employers. These are generally good, hard-working people who will quietly accept minimum wage (or less), who don't generally get health or other benefits, and if they complain, they can be easily fired.
For some employers it is an abused form of labor. Even minimum wage is attractive to workers from countries whose standard of living is a fraction of ours.
But it is not "cheap labor." It may be cheap to those who pay the wages, but for the rest of us it is clearly subsidized labor, as we taxpayers pick up the costs of education, health and other municipal costs imposed by this workforce. That has become a substantial and growing cost as the nature of illegal immigration patterns has changed.
For decades, illegal immigrants were single men who would come up from Mexico or Central America alone, pick crops or perform other low-paying physical labor and then go home. They were indeed cheap labor. But starting in the 1960s, these workers either brought their families or smuggled them into the country later. They become a permanent or semi-permanent population living in the shadows but imposing immense municipal costs.
Illegal immigration today isn't cheap labor, except to the employer. To the rest of us it is subsidized labor, where a few get the benefit and the rest of us pay. These costs ought to be obvious to all, but the myths of cheap labor and "jobs Americans won't do" persist.
It is hard to get an exact profile of the people who live in the underground economy, but the average family of illegal immigrants has two to four school-age kids. It costs U.S. taxpayers more than $7,000 a child just to educate them in our public schools. Now no minimum-wage workers, or even low-wage workers, pay anywhere near enough in taxes to pay for even one child in school. Even if their parents were paying all federal and state taxes, Colorado's estimated 30,000 school-age children of workers illegally in the U.S. impose gargantuan costs on other taxpayers.
The dilemma is compounded by the fact that approximately 50 percent of illegal workers are paid in cash, off the books. Go to a construction site almost anywhere in America, and you will find workers paid cash wages. Virtually every city in America has an area where illegals gather and people come by to get cheap, cash-wage labor.
The health care cost of this "cheap" workforce is also significant and subsidized by U.S. taxpayers. The total cost of this subsidized labor is impossible to ascertain and difficult to even estimate, but it is immense and growing as our population of these workers grows. A few benefit, many pay.
Americans pay in more ways than taxes. Cheap labor drives down wages as low-income Americans are forced to compete against these admittedly hard-working people. Even employers, who don't want to wink at false documents, are forced to lower wages just to be competitive. In many ways it is a race to the bottom, fueled by poor people often recruited from ever- more distant countries by middlemen who profit handsomely.
Professor George Borjas of Harvard, an immigrant himself, estimates that American workers lose $190 billion annually in depressed wages caused by the constant flooding of the labor market from newcomers.
Let me suggest that correctly analyzed, the fight against illegal immigration is both a liberal and conservative cause. There is no moral or legal justification for this abused form of labor.
Former Gov. Richard D. Lamm is co-director of the Institute for Public Policy Studies and a professor at the University of Denver. He is a member of the Board of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
2005-04-03 23:53 | User Profile
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2005-04-04 00:19 | User Profile
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2005-04-04 00:25 | User Profile
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2005-04-04 01:08 | User Profile
In recent months, I've seen more anti-immigration invasion articles. Thanks to the Minutemen and others, maybe the word is finally getting out. Hell, even Rush Limbaugh has finally come out against the immigration invasion.
As things heat up, I'm very curious as to how the third world immigrant-Fifth Column community, foreign governments (specifically Mexico), and their Leftist American allies will react. These are exciting times.
2005-04-04 02:15 | User Profile
Back in the 30's Herr Hitler in order to unite the German people had to find a reason to unite them as one and in order to do this he chose those who were destroying the German empire "the Jews".
Now the Jews are doing the same with the American people by misdirecting their attention from what they (the Jews) are doing to the American people and giving you as a focus point the "illegals".
It hurt me to say as a Spanish person that I am now a anti illegal for what we are now getting into the US are not the same people who only wanted jobs and security for their families as we had before.
Never the less don't distract yourselves from the Jews for they are the main problem of the American people and a poison that must be taken out.
When something happens always think of the Jews and their tie to the current event.
2005-04-04 03:01 | User Profile
Some more cartoons: [url]http://www.etherzone.com/cgi-bin/gm/blog.shtml#border[/url]
2005-04-04 05:49 | User Profile
Ponce can you actually read articles like this and say the illegal invaders are not a major problem that should be focused on? I would say these people coming across the borders every day and getting all kinds of handouts at the expense of the taxpayer and taking away the jobs "americans won't do"(bullshit, just not at what they are being paid) not to even mention their exploding population is quite a major problem. This is a problem that many lemmings are even starting to pick up on to some extent, since it is starting to effect them and will continue to even more.
2005-04-04 12:25 | User Profile
Of course it's rent-seeking. And the deliberate importation of a welfare state constituency. If the Libertarian Party would champion this, they may have a shot at an elected office other than dogcatcher.
2005-04-04 16:55 | User Profile
Starr? of course the illegals are now a major problem not only from an economical sense but also from the criminal.
I you were broke and had a family to feed and someone were to come to you and say to you "do you want this $100.00 dollar bill?" would you say "NO"?, I blame the US government for being so "nice" and to let it get out of hand.
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By the way, one thing that is holding up the US economic and the American people is the fact that we are buying so much form overseas.
If we had to pay real US prices for what we are now buying form China and so on we would be in a 1929 scenario.
This cannot last much longer so get ready to hire more illegals in what ever factories are left in the US because even they wont be able to afford to pay union wages (even if you are non-union) to the American workers.
This will bring a big conflict among the American people but it will be to late for the Government to do anything about it because of the overwhelming numbers of illegals already in the US.
Sometimes I wonder if the end of the world doomsday scenario preparation that I have done will be in order to repel the illegals that will invade my small one mule town.
2005-04-05 00:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
I you were broke and had a family to feed and someone were to come to you and say to you "do you want this $100.00 dollar bill?" would you say "NO"?, I blame the US government for being so "nice" and to let it get out of hand.
[/QUOTE] I agree that, the majority of the blame should lie with the U.S. government, certainly no dispute there. Of course we can all figure out why so many politicans look the other way, so to speak, on this issue.
As for the immigrants if they are so broke, why in the hell don't they use some common sense and quit popping out child after child when they can't even afford to take care of themselves? they don't need to think of things such as that since they can come here and get a free ride, from me, you and everyone else. They come here, have a job waiting for them, that they essentially took from a legal citizen,(A job that "americans won't do LOL) get all kinds of handouts including free medical care for their 20 kids, funded of course, by us, when many of us can't even afford are OWN medical care,etc,etc.
2005-04-05 03:46 | User Profile
Well Starr is like I keep saying you guys keep trying to swim against the current instead of going with it.
Even though I who has lived in this country for over 50 years had no choice but to pretend to be an illegal in order to obtain medical services when I broke my leg (a white, blond hair green eyes illegal) and like I told the translator I was from Guadalajara where you had a lot of white mexicans.
The US should bill the Mexican government for all medical treatments to illegals and also for any emergency monetary help.
PS: Before I left the hospital the translator told me that I made a lousy illegal and gave me a wink.
2005-04-05 15:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Well Starr is like I keep saying you guys keep trying to swim against the current instead of going with it.
Even though I who has lived in this country for over 50 years had no choice but to pretend to be an illegal in order to obtain medical services when I broke my leg (a white, blond hair green eyes illegal) and like I told the translator I was from Guadalajara where you had a lot of white mexicans.
The US should bill the Mexican government for all medical treatments to illegals and also for any emergency monetary help.
PS: Before I left the hospital the translator told me that I made a lousy illegal and gave me a wink.[/QUOTE]
What's this "swim against the current" crap, Ponce?
The only Latin American nations above Third World status are Costa Rica, Argentina and Chile--not too coincidentally the only countries between the Rio Grande and Antarctica with White majorities.
Why should America want to be swamped with the same Mestizo scum who have already made most of this hemisphere into a squalid, diseased slum?
2005-04-05 17:05 | User Profile
Howard good buddy, I am with you 100% and I am only saying that you are fighting the situation the wrong way.
You dont fight a mad dog by giving him food.
At this time I am waching a police chase of two illegals who stole a car (in California, where else), they left the car and now it is a foot chase, more and more cops coming to the general area in order to do a search and they know the general area where they are at.
The passenger was arrested and now they are trying to find the drives, he is hiding in the bushes..............FOX NEWS
2005-04-05 18:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Howard good buddy, I am with you 100% and I am only saying that you are fighting the situation the wrong way.
You dont fight a mad dog by giving him food.
At this time I am waching a police chase of two illegals who stole a car (in California, where else), they left the car and now it is a foot chase, more and more cops coming to the general area in order to do a search and they know the general area where they are at.
The passenger was arrested and now they are trying to find the drives, he is hiding in the bushes..............FOX NEWS[/QUOTE] What would you suggest is the right way?
2005-04-06 02:39 | User Profile
Well Starr the way to kill a house plant is not to give it water, you and I cannot do nothing about the situation but talk and the only one that can do something don't want to do anything (the government).
Let's face amigo California is gone and the only thing that can be done about it is like the Jews are doing in Palestine and set up a 50 foot concrete fence between California and the rest of the country, but of course as you know the illegals are all over the country so is hard to know where to start.
If the government really wanted to do somehting about it they could do operation "Clean Sweep" and pick up every individual that don't have proper ID, we are now living in a police state so why not take it up to the next step?
To tell you the truth I can usually see what is going on behind the curtain but this is one time that I have no clue as to what is going on in regards to the illegals and the US government.
If I am talking without going nowhere is because I am at a lost so I'd better shup the hell up.
2005-04-06 05:24 | User Profile
Allow me to play dictator for a day, here. LOL
What this congressmen suggested would be an important first step. Or maybe even arresting these CEOs and others who hire the illegals could be proper.
[url="http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/03/federal_bill_ta.php"]www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/03/federal_bill_ta.php[/url]
Then you round up all the illegals(well at least the ones you can find) and deport them back to whatever shithole they came from. Then you put up the Israeli-style fence what would have to stretch across the entire southern border(I think something like this was suggested by Pat Buchanan some time ago), which would have to be patroled by armed guards with orders to shoot on site just for a little added security.
I know there are obviously some holes in this, as well, but it would do a lot more then what is being done right now, which is NOTHING.