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Thread ID: 17595 | Posts: 38 | Started: 2005-04-01
2005-04-01 14:58 | User Profile
[SIZE=4]Pat Salad? Buchanan gets doused in dressing[/SIZE] Michigan student disrupts commentator's university appearance
[IMG]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050401/050401_buchanan_vmed_7a.vmedium.jpg[/IMG] Pat Buchanan cut short a session at Western Michigan University Thursday night after being drenched in salad dressing.
KALAMAZOO, Mich. - Commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan cut short an appearance after an opponent of his conservative views doused him with salad dressing.
ââ¬ÅStop the bigotry!ââ¬Â the demonstrator shouted as he hurled the liquid Thursday night during the program at Western Michigan University. The incident came just two days after another noted conservative, William Kristol, was struck by a pie during an appearance at a college in Indiana.
After he was hit, Buchanan cut short his question-and-answer session with the audience, saying, ââ¬ÅThank you all for coming, but Iââ¬â¢m going to have to get my hair washed.ââ¬Â
The rest of story: [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356248/[/url]
2005-04-01 15:29 | User Profile
“He could have faced a felony assault charge, but Pat Buchanan decided to not press that charge,” university spokesman Matt Kurz said.
By Buchanan not pressing charges, he effectively sanctioned such criminal actions…therefore there will be more of them against the Right.
Bad move, Pat!
2005-04-01 15:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]By Buchanan not pressing charges, he effectively sanctioned such criminal actionsââ¬Â¦therefore there will be more of them against the Right.
Bad move, Pat![/QUOTE] Not at all. He handled it with dignity and humor. Nothing makes a leftist angrier.
2005-04-01 15:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]Not at all. He handled it with dignity and humor. Nothing makes a leftist angrier.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but he still had a duty to press charges against that criminal.
Proof: "Stop the bigotry!” the demonstrator shouted as he hurled the liquid Thursday night during the program at Western Michigan University. ** The incident came just two days after another noted conservative, William Kristol, was struck by a pie during an appearance at a college in Indiana.**
2005-04-01 15:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Yes, but he still had a duty to press charges against that criminal.
Proof: The incident came just two days after another noted conservative, William Kristol, was struck by a pie during an appearance at a college in Indiana.[/QUOTE]Some crucial distinctions: William Kristol isn't a conservative. And instead of a pie in the face ... well, we won't go there.
Pressing criminal charges because some stupid hippy throws salad dressing (salad dressing?) on you is not worth the trouble.
A criminal prosecution is precisely what this guy wants. He can hang out at the coffee shop and tell all the brainless hippy chicks how The Establishment prosecuted him for his beliefs, man. Pat's sarcasm and aloofness drives them crazy.
2005-04-01 16:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]By Buchanan not pressing charges, he effectively sanctioned such criminal actionsââ¬Â¦therefore there will be more of them against the Right.
Bad move, Pat![/QUOTE]
By not pressing charges, Pat proves he's the better man. This is about PR, not crime and punishment.
The punk is still getting a little punishment.
2005-04-01 17:07 | User Profile
I disagree. By not pressing charges, he is allowing and accepting criminal activity. Time will be the judge of the truth...
2005-04-01 17:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]By not pressing charges, Pat proves he's the better man. This is about PR, not crime and punishment.
The punk is still getting a little punishment.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. By not pressing charges, he is accepting and allowing criminal activity. Time will be the judge of the truth...
2005-04-01 17:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]Some crucial distinctions: William Kristol isn't a conservative. And instead of a pie in the face ... well, we won't go there.
Pressing criminal charges because some stupid hippy throws salad dressing (salad dressing?) on you is not worth the trouble.
A criminal prosecution is precisely what this guy wants. He can hang out at the coffee shop and tell all the brainless hippy chicks how The Establishment prosecuted him for his beliefs, man. Sarcasm and aloofness drives them crazy.[/QUOTE]
It's no surprise that Gabby is outraged by an "attack" on Kristol. In spite of Kristol's rabid Jewish supremacism, he must be a good guy because he's a Republican and supports Arbusto! In this regard, GOP hacks are no different from liberals: liberals are too stupid to realize that Kristol is on their side, while GOP "conservatives" think that he's one of their own.
And I agree that something a little more destructive than pies is warranted in Kristol's case:
[IMG]http://www.phora.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=456&stc=1[/IMG]
As for Buchanan, I think that he handled this the right way. Pressing charges would have only martyred another "anti-racist" protester and created more publicity for the "anti-bigotry" cause.
2005-04-01 20:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]It's no surprise that Gabby is outraged by an "attack" on Kristol. In spite of Kristol's rabid Jewish supremacism, he must be a good guy because he's a Republican and supports Arbusto! In this regard, GOP hacks are no different from liberals: liberals are too stupid to realize that Kristol is on their side, while GOP "conservatives" think that he's one of their own.
And I agree that something a little more destructive than pies is warranted in Kristol's case:
[IMG]http://www.phora.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=456&stc=1[/IMG]
As for Buchanan, I think that he handled this the right way. Pressing charges would have only martyred another "anti-racist" protester and created more publicity for the "anti-bigotry" cause.[/QUOTE]
Oh, shut up, you fool; I quoted a section of the original article. Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.
2005-04-01 23:15 | User Profile
Pressing charges for a bit of salad dressing would've been plain silly.
Here's the vidcaps & video:
[url="http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3153391&nav=0RceYA7H"]http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3153391&nav=0RceYA7H[/url]
2005-04-01 23:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Intrepid]Pressing charges for a bit of salad dressing would've been plain silly.
Here's the vidcaps & video:
[url="http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3153391&nav=0RceYA7H"]http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3153391&nav=0RceYA7H[/url][/QUOTE]
That leftist drenched him -- it wasn’t a “bit of salad dressing”. What are you guys?! A bunch of limp-wristed leftists? Our people should be able to speak freely without some sleezy leftist drenching them with garbage. How do you know what is in that dressing or pie?? That was an attack of terrorism! He assaulted him. He denied him his right to freedom of speech save under threat of physical attack; in fact, he not only got attacked, he literally had to stop. This is America! Act like men - not wimps! Criminals should be punished like the criminals they are. None of your sissified ‘that would have been silly’ would have saved a conservative or WN from the fullest possible punishment. What is this? Communist Russia?!
[img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050401/050401_buchanan_vmed_7a.vmedium.jpg[/img]
2005-04-01 23:42 | User Profile
[url]http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3153391[/url]
" (Kalamazoo, April 1, 2005, 7:39 a.m.) An appearance by political commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan at Western Michigan University turned ugly Thursday night.
A 24-year-old man was arrested after throwing salad dressing at Buchanan. It happened during a question and answer session after Buchanan's speech.
Buchanan chose not to press felony assault charges. Instead, the man was charged with a misdemeanor count of disturbing the peace.
The suspect is not a WMU student.
We will have more on this story, and hear from the man behind this amazing video coming up later tonight on 24 Hour News 8."
2005-04-02 00:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE] Originally posted by **Gabrielle ** ... That was an attack of terrorism! [/QUOTE]Are you spoofing me? Jacking-up some Marxist filth is one thing. Nevertheless, it's quite different than using the same vapid vernacular of those who gave us the color-coded fear meter.
A well-aimed cup of Wish-Bone's Creamy Italian doesn't warrant a visit from those in the cheap wing-tips.
PS. I heard there's dissent against the leviathan 'round these parts. For your rolodex:
[url="http://www.dhs.gov/"]http://www.dhs.gov/[/url]
2005-04-02 01:20 | User Profile
I thought it was hilarious when Willie Brown got smacked in the face by three pies from the [url=http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/bioticbb_24feb99.html]Biotic Baking Brigade[/url], but His Honor was not amused, nor was his entourage, who tackled the miscreants, breaking the collarbone of one. They all got six months in jail for their little act of "political theater."
Odd that no names are given out in the above story. Why could that be?
2005-04-02 01:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]That was an attack of terrorism! He assaulted him. He denied him his right to freedom of speech save under threat of physical attack; in fact, he not only got attacked, he literally had to stop. This is America! Act like men - not wimps! Criminals should be punished like the criminals they are.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Let's be honest here. If the roles had been reversed, if a right-winger had assaulted a Leftist speaker, do you really think he would have been let off so gently? Of course not. In Pat's case, I would love to have watched that leftist get the living shit beat out of him. Violence works. :boxing:
2005-04-02 03:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]Agreed. Let's be honest here. If the roles had been reversed, if a right-winger had assaulted a Leftist speaker, do you really think he would have been let off so gently? Of course not. In Pat's case, I would love to have watched that leftist get the living shit beat out of him. Violence works. :boxing:[/QUOTE]
Agreed on all counts. There is a rotten double standard on this that lets us know who really runs the country. No leftist or liberal speaker has ever been so attacked. But the stink-pits who pull stunts like this never get punished. They know that the media, the police, the courts, etc. will praise them, bless them, slap them on the wrist, maybe. But no real anger is reserved for them. Touch a "multicultural" speaker, though, and you can kiss your life goodbye.
That's who's got the power, you stupid trust-fund holding dreadlocked white morons. Grow up.
2005-04-02 05:00 | User Profile
Yes, consider if Pat pressed charges and the attacker acquited. You know, the hippy's lawyer would do his best to make Pat look like a KKK member, and you know what that will do to the average jury.
2005-04-02 09:37 | User Profile
Anyone who refuses to make a clean break with Bush and the Cath-O-Jews. I think it will get worse, lots worse, and it wasn't liberals who put on that TV snuff flick.
The enemies of America have shown with their Terri Schiavo political theatre, on top of the mass slaughter and destruction, they don't deserve to live at all. There certainly can't be anything to talk about with them for anyone who knows what they are and how they lie, torture, kill and coverup, which is their essense.
BUT HERE IS HELP! NOW PAT CAN HAVE SOMEETHING TO PRAY TO THAT MIGHT HELP! The address he's been using has only brought salad dressing, more to come.
[url]http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200%257E20949%257E2790346,00.html?search=filter[/url]
2005-04-02 11:19 | User Profile
I don't see Willie "Gatemouth" Brown in prison for using violence against [I]his [/I] critics. Can't recall the last time I heard a talking-head excoriate him for it, either.
2005-04-02 12:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]Anyone who refuses to make a clean break with Bush and the Cath-O-Jews. I think it will get worse, lots worse, and it wasn't liberals who put on that TV snuff flick.
The enemies of America have shown with their Terri Schiavo political theatre, on top of the mass slaughter and destruction, they don't deserve to live at all. There certainly can't be anything to talk about with them for anyone who knows what they are and how they lie, torture, kill and coverup, which is their essense.
BUT HERE IS HELP! NOW PAT CAN HAVE SOMEETHING TO PRAY TO THAT MIGHT HELP! The address he's been using has only brought salad dressing, more to come.
[url]http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200%257E20949%257E2790346,00.html?search=filter[/url][/QUOTE]
Are you for real?
2005-04-02 14:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]I don't see Willie "Gatemouth" Brown in prison for using violence against [I]his [/I] critics. Can't recall the last time I heard a talking-head excoriate him for it, either.[/QUOTE]
Make Willie's banana custard... :D
[img]http://www.undercurrents.org/willie_pieing_after.jpg[/img]
[url]http://www.undercurrents.org/pie.htm[/url]
2005-04-02 16:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Are you for real?[/QUOTE]
As if the word "real" meant anything to flat-lined schiavo shucksters
2005-04-03 09:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]Not at all. He handled it with dignity and humor. Nothing makes a leftist angrier.[/QUOTE]
I agree. This stuff happens all the time. Let the neo-cons throw hissy fits and file charges. We are above that sort of thing, unless actual blows are thrown. The student should, of course, be subjected to academic discipline by the universirty administration. Fat chance, I suspect. The people who invited Pat should be the ones requesting such disciplinary moves are undertaken.
2005-04-03 09:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]If the roles had been reversed, if a right-winger had assaulted a Leftist speaker, do you really think he would have been let off so gently? Of course not. In Pat's case, I would love to have watched that leftist get the living shit beat out of him. Violence works. :boxing:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't want to see any young, up-and-coming paleo-cons soil their criminal records, but in general principal, I object only to filing charges against this miscreant, not to kicking his ass.
2005-04-04 02:48 | User Profile
Here's a link to the video
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2005-04-04 07:33 | User Profile
Buchanan should've pressed charges. And that f--king pinko douchebag needs kneecapping very, very badly.
2005-04-04 11:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]Buchanan should've pressed charges. And that f--king pinko douchebag needs kneecapping very, very badly.[/QUOTE]
Well said, my good man! :)
2005-04-05 09:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest]Buchanan should've pressed charges. And that f--king pinko douchebag needs kneecapping very, very badly.[/QUOTE]
No, he's just a regular American who knows the enemy.
There's not a dime's worth of difference between Squinty Pat and Wolfowitz.
Two sides of Jew. One needs the other as tin-foil cover- keeps them toasty inside, deflects outside heat. WIPE OFF THOSE CROUTONS, SIR!
Give 'em taser and throw their schaivo-ed (word means 'servant' in latin, I'm told) half-corpses behind Abu Ghraib prison. The insurgents will know what to do with them.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050405/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraqto[/url] add
2005-04-06 03:59 | User Profile
I have no love for Pattycake; I well know he's a trimmer. But that little shit lisped "Stop the bigotry!" as he applied the Newman's Own. He's only a "regular Amurricun" in that his mind has been thoroughly jewed from the cradle.
2005-04-06 10:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]There's not a dime's worth of difference between Squinty Pat and Wolfowitz.[/QUOTE]
Of course there is; that's just stupid.
2005-04-06 19:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Of course there is; that's just stupid.[/QUOTE]
On the difference between Squinty Pat and Wolfie --
...it may be stupid to say there is none, whatever you say. But its not "just".
If we are talking about the dynamic factors that propelled America to where it is, the only difference is which side of the dime you look at. Those who pulled off the "Clean break" with US-Palestinian-Israeli Oslo road map for the Middle East -- the neocons, featuring Wolfowitz, Perle, etc. -- required a foil to be the one over against it, publically. Which PJB played, and has played as "the loyal opposition", within the system, quite well, almost admirably one might say. But after the '04 election, after he had said the Iraq war was being pushed by the Jewish amen corner and Israel IF HE DOESN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ALL THE WAY WITH THAT, WHICH HE HASN'T DONE, it shows he isn't willintot go "all in" for what he stands for, which is supposed to be, in the words he uses "America". They certainly have. Paul Craig Roberts is the only one who seems capable, at their level, and he is crippled by past associations with Reagan schmoolies. He is just another guatd of the Abu Ghraib prison and deserves to get thrown at him whatever is thrown at them -- unless he renounces and condemns what they have done and what they are, in toto (that means, in the name of Christ, as anti-Christ). Until then, he's just another schiavo. They don't really get to speak for themselves.
If anything, Wolfowitz is the more honorable. At least he stuck to his "Rreaganite"-ism to start a lying, illegal war.
Do you keep seeing Archbishop Oscar Romero among the Vatican crowd? -- sort of like Gibson's grinning deevil at the crucifixion? Assassinated because he stuck with his calling, and spoke up for the FALN in El Salvador. pshew-ew-ew-ew.... Liberation theology, its called down there. They shot a Baptist missionary in Peru. They are the liberals down there. Here, they toss salad in righteous anger. Yep.
2005-04-06 20:33 | User Profile
Being hit in the face with salad dressing, which ruins one clothing as well as one's day is not funny. If someone did it to me I would prefer to retaliate with an aluminum baseball bat. But since that form of justice is not permissible I would settle for preferring a criminal charge and let the belligerent clown bring a Class A misdemeanor assault record to his next job interview.
2005-04-06 20:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE]There's not a dime's worth of difference between Squinty Pat and Wolfowitz.... [/QUOTE] How did Pat Robertson slide into the discussion?
2005-04-07 02:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE] [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356248/[/url] ... ââ¬ÅHe could have faced a felony assault charge, but Pat Buchanan decided to not press that charge,ââ¬Â university spokesman Matt Kurz said.
Buchananââ¬â¢s visit had evoked controversy on campus because it fell on the birthday of the late Mexican-American labor leader Cesar Chavez. Buchanan favors tighter controls on immigration. ...[/QUOTE] Pat Buchanan is a helluva lot more forgiving than I would have been.
Mindless youngster squawks about bigotry and then commits assault... typical. :censored:
[QUOTE=Stanley]I thought it was hilarious when Willie Brown got smacked in the face by three pies from the [url=http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/bioticbb_24feb99.html]Biotic Baking Brigade[/url], but His Honor was not amused, nor was his entourage, who tackled the miscreants, breaking the collarbone of one. They all got six months in jail for their little act of "political theater."
Odd that no names are given out in the above story. Why could that be?[/QUOTE]
:afro:
Interesting that once again... a double standard exists. :rolleyes:
2005-04-07 02:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=TexasAnarch]...
There's not a dime's worth of difference between Squinty Pat and Wolfowitz.
...[/QUOTE]
You're joking... right?
I must have missed something here...
I haven't heard Paul Wolfowitz demand the closing of our Southern border and the enforcement of immigration laws. And I haven't heard Paul Wolfowitz say that NAFTA, GATT and the WTO are destroying our commercial and industrial base here in America.
What planet are you living on TexasAnarch?
:smoke:
2005-04-07 03:33 | User Profile
Pat Buchanan is a mixed bag. I worked very hard for PJB in two-and-a-half presidential campaigns .He had had some good ideas, but was just too wedded to the political and social establishment. Buchanan spoke the truth, but was a trimmer and didn't speak the whole truth. Of course, the whole Negress for Vice-President thing was just insane.
In the final analysis, for all his faults PJB does not deserve to have salad dressing splashed in his face. Nor does he deserve to be compared with the utterly repulsive Paul Wolfowitz, one of the most evil men on the planet. Pat may be a mixed bag, but Wolfie is a dirt-bag, two different things.
2005-04-07 10:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]You're joking... right? I must have missed something here...
I haven't heard Paul Wolfowitz demand the closing of our Southern border and the enforcement of immigration laws. And I haven't heard Paul Wolfowitz say that NAFTA, GATT and the WTO are destroying our commercial and industrial base here in America.
What planet are you living on TexasAnarch?
:smoke:[/QUOTE]
When it comes to destroying a nation like America was, the things you cite, after the election, don't add up to more than a nickle's worth. If Bush. who belongs to the same party, hadn't cut a deal with Fox to let 'em in, then send 'em to fight, so folks at home won't have to face a draft, the PJB "help Americas workers" right wing preachers ha ha ha ha ha ha ha wouldn't have a choir. You see, none of them deserve to exist, and haven't since they decided to do Vietnam.
Bucky boy was supposed to take on the giants in this one. He knew it and didn't do it. That cancels his contract with anything American. The nicer-seeming ones always get taken out first. NOT BY ME!! I leave it to God, who acts in mysterious ways.
I don't know what you call the name of the planet you live on. If its "earth", it needs cleansing of psychokillers who run American policy with their heads up their ass and their hands on each other's dick. Patting Terri's pube.