← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · vytis
Thread ID: 17589 | Posts: 36 | Started: 2005-04-01
2005-04-01 02:42 | User Profile
Bitter and virulent cop-haters are so predictable....Their ulterior motives become so obvious.
I've been around long enough to know from personal experience (on both sides of the law), that a high percentage of them usually have a police record with a rap sheet a mile long dragging behind them.
Some people on this board might not like my assessment but hey...If the shoe fits!!!
'Truth bearers must possess the power to endure hatred'
2005-04-01 05:13 | User Profile
This is a classic ad hominem debating trick. Any objective analysis of the typical constable on patrol reveals that (s)he is a scumbag. That some professional criminals don't like these scumbag's does not change the verity of this observation, just as the fact that the Latrino's don't like Jews renders the Hebewitzim not one whit more odoriferous.
2005-04-01 05:47 | User Profile
Vytis and John Graziano,
Now this not the school yard guys. Now I agree in part with what vytis said, but I think bad behavior on the part of cops needs to be put down hard. And I do not like the anti-gun attacks made by the FOP and other LE groups. I not sure calling people ââ¬Åcop-hatersââ¬Â or cops ââ¬Åscumbagsââ¬Â does anything useful.
2005-04-01 07:02 | User Profile
Well, I hate nearly all cops (I prefer the term "pig," actually), and I've never been arrested even once. Neither do I have a problem with authority per se -- I get along fine with supervisors, etc. What I do have a problem with are cowardly bullies and thugs who think they're gods among men and act accordingly.
Cops generally think of themselves as an elite, paramilitary brotherhood, the members of which can do no wrong. They generally sought out positions in LE because they enjoy the feeling of power they get from it. It also allows them to bully others with little fear of reprisal. Just watch "Cops" sometime and see their macho BS act. "Hey you stupid idiot," some pig will say self-assuredly to a lone suspect while six other cops are standing behind him for backup.
Notice how "brave" cops are when there's a group of 12 of them all dressed up in their fancy "tactical" gear, with face masks, fatigues tucked into combat boots, plenty of body armor, etc. They'll kick in a door and point their guns at everything in sight, screaming Freeze! Police officers! Get down on the grounnnd!!! at the tops of their lungs. That's how they do things when they're going after some 15-year-old Negro who might be armed with a rusty .38. They were also terribly brave when gang-beating the crap out of Rodney King, who was undoubtedly a scumbag but still someone to whom justice should have been administered in the courts, not on the street. But when numbers aren't on the side of the polce -- like, say, during the L.A. riots, when Reginald Denny was getting brained by a bunch of animals -- they pee in their "tactical" gear and run and hide. That's also what they did at Columbine, where the cowardly SQUAT team didn't enter the school building because they "didn't know the full extent of the threat inside." Hello? I thought the reason those people got all that funding for special gear, weapons, and training -- all of which really violates the spirit if not the letter of the Posse Comitatus Act -- was so they could put themselves in danger when the time came. But no -- they're police officers and Officer Safety always has to come first.
My problem with the police isn't just their cowardice, though. I'm more bothered about their willingness to victimize people with near-impunity, something which the "blue wall of silence" certainly facilitates. Look at what that maggot Justin Volpe of the NYPD did to that immigrant Abner Louima. I don't care that the latter was a Negro -- even a dog shouldn't be treated like Louima was, and Volpe deserves to rot in hell along with every other NYPD cop who knew about the gruesome sexual assault on Louima and kept quiet about it. The problem is that that sort of thing happens all the time, and cops almost never do anything to root out the bad apples among them. That makes just about all of them bad apples.
Finally, there is the willingness of nearly all cops to enforce any laws they are told to, no matter how obviously contrary to the Constitution. The Second Amendment is probably the area of the most egregious infringements. Just listen to the FOP sometime, with their support of any and all gun laws that are designed to take power away from citizens and concentrate it even further in the hands of the State. No matter what they say in front of "civilians," most cops love being "special" with regard to the carrying of guns, and most will be only too happy to participate in confiscations should they be ordered to do so. If it ever comes to that, I will blow as many cops' heads off as I possibly can before they finally manage to shoot me through my body armor.
The above rant doesn't do justice to this subject. I've seen and heard just too much to fall for the line that most police are okay, there are good and bad people in every profession, etc. The police are a "brotherhood" of arrogant, authoritarian thugs. With extremely few exceptions, they are the servants of ZOG and the enemies of freedom. The profession of law enforcement has its purpose, but unfortunately (in the US especially) it attracts a disproportionate number of bullies and thugs who are at least as bad as the criminals they claim to protect people from.
2005-04-01 08:44 | User Profile
Antisocial Personality Disorder is widespread amongst not only criminals, but police-officers and other authoritarian figures. One theory is that positions of power give the Aggressive Sociopath a legimate outlet for his antisocial urges and his need to dominate others.
[url]http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect16.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]AGGRESSIVE SOCIOPATHS derive strong, yet nonperverse gratification from harming others. They like to hurt, frighten, tyrannize, bully, and manipulate. They do it for a sense of power and control, and will often only drop subtle hints about what they are up to. They polish their aggressive, domineering manner in such a way to disguise any intimidation others might feel. They seek out positions of power, such as parent, teacher, bureaucrat, supervisor, or police officer. Their style is one of passive aggression as they systematically go about sabotaging the ideas of others to get their ideas in place. In their spare time, they like to hunt or occasionally do sadistic things like find stray dogs and cut them up. They are usually effective at getting their way, and are especially vindictive if resisted or crossed. They don't follow the social norm of reciprocity like others do.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/antisoc.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]A NIMH Epidemiologic Catchment Area study reported that only 47% of those who met the APD criteria had a significant arrest record. However, up to 80% of men and 65% of women in American prisons meet the criteria for APD (Black & Larsen, 1999, p. 29). Many individuals with APD work as bartenders, waiters, entertainers, or carnival workers. They are also found in medicine, law, politics, and the clergy; many become psychotherapists (Black & Larsen, 1999, pp. 50-51). Hare (1993, p. 112) adds that individuals with APD can function reasonably well as academics, mercenaries, police officers, cult leaders, military personnel, businesspeople, writers, artists, and entertainers. However, Hare does not refer to these individuals as "successful psychopaths"; because their success is often illusory and always at someone else's expense. He calls them "subcriminal psychopaths"[/QUOTE]
Not that I believe psychology is a legitimate science or anything :)
2005-04-01 10:36 | User Profile
Woo hoo! Can ya say amen! :clap: :clap: :clap:
[QUOTE=Angler] But when numbers aren't on the side of the polce -- like, say, during the L.A. riots, when Reginald Denny was getting brained by a bunch of animals -- they pee in their "tactical" gear and run and hide. That's also what they did at Columbine, where the cowardly SQUAT team didn't enter the school building because they "didn't know the full extent of the threat inside." [/QUOTE] To add to Angler's excellent rant, recall the utter uselessness of an entire building full of armed sheriff's deputies when one nigga with a gun goes on a rampage.
By and large, cops are there to collect paychecks and zip up bodybags.
2005-04-01 11:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE]....they pee in their "tactical" gear and run and hide. That's also what they did at Columbine....[/QUOTE]
Had Klebold and his buddy been aware of what the 'armed response' was going to resemble, they could've changed clips and doubled their body count.
[QUOTE]I thought the reason those people got all that funding for special gear, weapons, and training was so they could put themselves in danger when the time came.[/QUOTE]
Nah; it's so they can look like Darth Vader's security detail whenever hippies gather to protest globalism. I would imagine the Kevlar and tinted visor helmets help them nail chicks off duty as well.
2005-04-01 12:24 | User Profile
I don't hate cops, they have a job to do, they risk their lives. However if I ever am treated unfairly by a cop - not that I have been...I will speak out against it.
2005-04-01 13:05 | User Profile
You know, whether we like it or not, forums like OD & Stormfront are the Jews 'kept opposition' of the internet. They will remain so, unless we win the support of the police and military.
Responses like most of those to my thread will only continue to set back our cause. However, Jews who got our nation into this mess love it.....Spread hate and division on anyone and everyone, but the 'chosen.' A script right out of the ACLU and ADL playbook.
'I regard the Jewish race as the born enemy of pure humanity and everything that is noble in it' ~Richard Wagner~
2005-04-01 13:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]You know, whether we like it or not, forums like OD & Stormfront are the Jews 'kept opposition' of the internet. They will remain so, unless we win the support of the police and military.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what we need to do. There needs to be a concerted effort to recruit, or at least convert, them. Cops are the guys on the front line. Taking cheap shots at them, for whatever reason, only hurts our cause.
2005-04-01 14:11 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]That's exactly what we need to do. There needs to be a concerted effort to recruit, or at least convert, them. Cops are the guys on the front line. Taking cheap shots at them, for whatever reason, only hurts our cause.[/QUOTE] This is pure delusion. The policeman who advocates for localized, limited, and republican government is advocating himself out of a job. Those public housing projects and all those drugs the government has declared illegal are job security.
2005-04-01 14:35 | User Profile
All I can say is that in a healthy, sane, and White America the duty of policing the populace would be carried out by White citizen militias as stated in the United States Constitution.
The current abomination of 'Merica brings with it the disease of "law enforcers" who are nothing but ZOG Goon Squads sent forth to harrass law-abiding citizens because they're too afraid to crack down on the real law-breakers. The Goon Squad Brass capitulated to their overseerers and stopped the practice of racial profiling for criminals and now simply terrorize Whites into obediance and to accept their own genocide in the Multicultural cesspool of 'Merica. Don't you dare fight back White man, this ain't just your country anymore!! Meanwhile 'Merrica slides into the abyss because minority filth has more freedom to commit crimes than ever before in history. Everybody suffers and the cops always get paid.
For that reason alone, the cops are nothing but Pigs. Dirty rotten capitulating cowardly PIGS. May they go straight to Hell.
2005-04-05 03:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]Well, I hate nearly all cops (I prefer the term "pig," actually), and I've never been arrested even once. Neither do I have a problem with authority per se -- I get along fine with supervisors, etc. What I do have a problem with are cowardly bullies and thugs who think they're gods among men and act accordingly.
Cops generally think of themselves as an elite, paramilitary brotherhood, the members of which can do no wrong. They generally sought out positions in LE because they enjoy the feeling of power they get from it. It also allows them to bully others with little fear of reprisal. Just watch "Cops" sometime and see their macho BS act. "Hey you stupid idiot," some pig will say self-assuredly to a lone suspect while six other cops are standing behind him for backup.......
My problem with the police isn't just their cowardice, though. I'm more bothered about their willingness to victimize people with near-impunity, something which the "blue wall of silence" certainly facilitates. Look at what that maggot Justin Volpe of the NYPD did to that immigrant Abner Louima. I don't care that the latter was a Negro -- even a dog shouldn't be treated like Louima was, and Volpe deserves to rot in hell along with every other NYPD cop who knew about the gruesome sexual assault on Louima and kept quiet about it. The problem is that that sort of thing happens all the time, and cops almost never do anything to root out the bad apples among them. That makes just about all of them bad apples.
Finally, there is the willingness of nearly all cops to enforce any laws they are told to, no matter how obviously contrary to the Constitution. The Second Amendment is probably the area of the most egregious infringements. Just listen to the FOP sometime, with their support of any and all gun laws that are designed to take power away from citizens and concentrate it even further in the hands of the State. No matter what they say in front of "civilians," most cops love being "special" with regard to the carrying of guns, and most will be only too happy to participate in confiscations should they be ordered to do so. If it ever comes to that, I will blow as many cops' heads off as I possibly can before they finally manage to shoot me through my body armor.
The above rant doesn't do justice to this subject. I've seen and heard just too much to fall for the line that most police are okay, there are good and bad people in every profession, etc. The police are a "brotherhood" of arrogant, authoritarian thugs. With extremely few exceptions, they are the servants of ZOG and the enemies of freedom. The profession of law enforcement has its purpose, but unfortunately (in the US especially) it attracts a disproportionate number of bullies and thugs who are at least as bad as the criminals they claim to protect people from.[/QUOTE]I don't know if its just in the USA. The profession of cop is a worldwide phenomenon. And stupid cops. For instance, if you think US cops are bad, how about Mexican cops. Studies among cops themselves confirm this.
I'm still curious a little what brings on these attitudes. I'll admit, I'm not a great fan of cops myself, but except when I've had a run-in with them, (which happens occasionally ;) ) I let them go.
Basically I think we dislike cops, because we see them instinctively as the front line of a system we more and more despise. Its natural, but I think, as always, its counterproductive to focus just on the grunts of the system. The responsibility for abuse of power lies with the higher ups as always, the politicans and judges.
2005-04-05 03:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I don't know if its just in the USA. The profession of cop is a worldwide phenomenon. And stupid cops. For instance, if you think US cops are bad, how about Mexican cops. Studies among cops themselves confirm this.
Actually contempt for cops is a universal trait. The French even have a phrase for it "As stupid as a Customs Inspector".
And you remember the old Gilbert and Sullivan Opera "Pirates of Penzance" where he discusses the universal lament of the misunderstood cop.
[CENTER]
When the enterprising burglar's not a burglin When the cuttthroat isn't occupied in crime He lovesto hear the little brook a gurglin Or listen to the merry village chime
Oh our fellings we with difficulty smother When constapletory duties to be done Oh take one consideration or another A policeman's lot is not a happy one :biggrin:[/CENTER]
[LEFT][QUOTE] Its natural, but I think, as always, its counterproductive to focus just on the grunts of the system. The responsibility for abuse of power lies with the higher ups as always, the politicans and judges.[/QUOTE]I'd like to add this little note from Judge Brandeis, which you might recognize. [QUOTE]"Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes the law breaker, it breeds contempt for laws; it invites every man to become a law unto himself.[/QUOTE][/LEFT]
2005-04-05 04:11 | User Profile
I would have no beef if the law were to be the same for cops as they are for the lay man.
96% of the time the cops get away with murder because they are supposed to be "perfect" and if the truth were to come out to light they would be a target for the people.
Thanks to video movies the cops have to be more carefull now as to how they treat the people because someone may be taping.
2005-04-07 21:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler]
The above rant doesn't do justice to this subject. I've seen and heard just too much to fall for the line that most police are okay, there are good and bad people in every profession, etc. The police are a "brotherhood" of arrogant, authoritarian thugs. With extremely few exceptions, they are the servants of ZOG and the enemies of freedom. The profession of law enforcement has its purpose, but unfortunately (in the US especially) it attracts a disproportionate number of bullies and thugs who are at least as bad as the criminals they claim to protect people from.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed a lot of these things as well. If you think about it, this "Brotherhood" is a very cult like atmosphere, no longer "burdened" with being just public servants.
2005-04-07 21:34 | User Profile
As I've said elsewhere, you can find some free-thinkers in the military, but I don't think there are too many honorable people left in law enforcement. The feds are absolutely awful. Everyone not on the D.C. payroll is the enemy as far as they're concerned. Local law enforcement is much the same, and heavily dependent on federal government grants plus the perverse incentives of the Drug War.
2005-04-07 22:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
They generally sought out positions in LE because they enjoy the feeling of power they get from it
[/QUOTE] How many people do you suppose in any profession wouldn't enjoy the feeling that would come with being in a position that may give them some power over others, and then when in that position wouldn't do certain things just because they think they can?
2005-04-07 22:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
My problem with the police isn't just their cowardice, though. I'm more bothered about their willingness to victimize people with near-impunity, something which the "blue wall of silence" certainly facilitates. Look at what that maggot Justin Volpe of the NYPD did to that immigrant Abner Louima. I don't care that the latter was a Negro -- even a dog shouldn't be treated like Louima was, and Volpe deserves to rot in hell along with every other NYPD cop who knew about the gruesome sexual assault on Louima and kept quiet about it. The problem is that that sort of thing happens all the time, and cops almost never do anything to root out the bad apples among them. That makes just about all of them bad apples.
[/QUOTE] I think with something like the incident with the nigger, who shouldn't have been here in the first place, I must add, there are possible reasons for these occurences besides what you suggest. Try to imagine, just for a minute that you are a cop dealing every single day with the massive crime rate that exists in this country and you have seen all kinds of shit, been shot at, called a pig,etc. Don't you think incidents like this may, in some ways, be caused by these cops, in a sense, snapping under constant stressful situations? I would wonder if anyone who bitches about these types of things would have the same opinion after, say, 5-10 years of dealing with what the police deal with(or being a cop yourself)
2005-04-08 05:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]I would wonder if anyone who bitches about these types of things would have the same opinion after, say, 5-10 years of dealing with what the police deal with(or being a cop yourself)[/QUOTE]
What are they, indentured servants? They should get a new job if they can't comport themselves with integrity and dignity.
2005-04-08 05:41 | User Profile
When you kill a bad criminal who is about to kill you is self defence but you kill a bad cop who is about to kill you then is murder, when the law is the same for everyone that will be the day that I will respect the law.
2005-04-11 18:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]What are they, indentured servants? They should get a new job if they can't comport themselves with integrity and dignity.[/QUOTE]Day after day confronting criminals and slovenly apes will degrade the very best of men. Cops must be cut a good deal of slack.
Another great reason cops affront many people results from their contempt for much of the citizenry. The average citizen is very much a coward and will not defend himself. He will prefer to take a beating just short of life threatening. After time passes, cops tend to regard these creatures as despicable whiners. I wonder if many of the professed cop-haters have defended themselves in public assaults?
2005-04-12 03:06 | User Profile
As someone who worked in Community Corrections for almost 20 years, I came into contact with a lot of police. They are by and large a mixed bag. On the whole most of them are a pretty under-educated and not very well read. Its one of the last blue-collar trades that pays a decent salary (except maybe in the Deep South.)
The primary problem with the police ethos is that police departments have been working off the military model since their founding. One of the spuirious "solutions" to the military model of policing, which results in the trade attracting a lot of authoritarian types, has been the concept of community policing. Community Policing has some problems of its own, cheifly the fact that most of the theorists for CP have been Marxists.
Post 911 the cops have become more militaristic, having cast themselves into the role of "heroes." Since Richard Nixon's creation of the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration in the early seventies, the cops are getting more and more heavy military equipment. On the other hand the military is getting around the old Posse Comitatus act and taking on more and more law enforcement responsibilities. There has been a blurring between police and military functions which is most dangerous.
2005-04-12 04:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]As someone who worked in Community Corrections for almost 20 years, I came into contact with a lot of police. They are by and large a mixed bag. On the whole most of them are a pretty under-educated and not very well read. Its one of the last blue-collar trades that pays a decent salary (except maybe in the Deep South.)
The primary problem with the police ethos is that police departments have been working off the military model since their founding.[/QUOTE]
I think that pretty much describes the problem. But its the nature of the police too, as authoritary figures with what is the ultimate symbol of authority - the gun and the right to use it. It takes a very stable society to keep this type of symbolic figure under control.
More often we get this kind of personality. :lol:
[QUOTE][CENTER][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]I got a star on my car and one on my chest, A gun on my hip and the right to arrest I'm the guy who's the boss on this highway So watch out what you're doin' when you're drivin' my way If you break the law, you'll hear from me, I know I'm a-workin' for the state, I'm The Highway Patrol
Well, you'll know me when you see me, 'cause my door's painted white, My siren a-screamin' and my flashin' red lights I work all day and I work all night Just a-keepin' law and order, tryin' to do what's right If I write you out a ticket, then you'd better drive slow I'm just a-doin' my job, I'm The Highway Patrol
I'm the highway patrol, the highway patrol, My hours are long, and my pay is low But I'll do my best to keep you driving slow I'm just a-doin' my job, I'm The Highway Patrol
If your drivin' to fast like you shouldn't do, You can bet your boots, I'm comin' after you If you wanna race then get on a race track, 'Cause if you try and run away I'm gonna bring ya back I'm here to keep all the speeders driving slow I'm just a-doin' my job, I'm The Highway Patrol
I'm the highway patrol, the highway patrol, My hours are long, and my pay is low But I'll do my best to keep you driving slow I'm just a-doin' my job, I'm The Highway Patrol
I'm just a-doin' my job I'm The Highway Patrol[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[URL=http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurlPNM.exe?clipid=002720401020006900&cid=600141]Junior Brown - "Highway Patrol"[/URL] [/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
2005-04-12 11:03 | User Profile
I see that cop-bashing comes very easy to a lot of you 'keyboard warriors.'
Therefore as a father of a police officer, and having other close relatives who are also police officers, I cannot in good conscience remain on a forum with people who hold such prejudiced opinions.
I thought I was among Christian friends...Thanks for the education...And oh by the way, I hope you or your loved ones never need a cop!
2005-04-12 13:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]I see that cop-bashing comes very easy to a lot of you 'keyboard warriors.'
Therefore as a father of a police officer, and having other close relatives who are also police officers, I cannot in good conscience remain on a forum with people who hold such prejudiced opinions.
I thought I was among Christian friends...Thanks for the education...And oh by the way, I hope you or your loved ones never need a cop![/QUOTE] vytis,
I have seen a few good ol' country sheriff departments that handled things the right way: not bothering about marijuana or moonshine, handling fights by letting everybody cool off overnight and releasing them the next day, letting drunks sleep it off in a holding cell, walking their beat and knowing all the local business owners by name, escorting troublemakers to the county line and telling them never to set foot in their county again.
I think those days are long, long gone. It's not entirely law enforcement's fault. The human scum that the lawyers force them to abide have driven a lot of the changes. Generally though, law enforcement has cast its lot firmly with the social democratic establishment. When was the last time you heard a cop say that the War on Drugs was an uneconomic, unjust farce? When was the last time you heard a cop say that public housing projects are just criminal breeding grounds and should be torn down brick by brick?
2005-04-12 13:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE]I see that cop-bashing comes very easy to a lot of you 'keyboard warriors.'
Therefore as a father of a police officer, and having other close relatives who are also police officers, I cannot in good conscience remain on a forum with people who hold such prejudiced opinions.[/QUOTE] Then you should have added [I]"by the way, my son and other of my relatives are cops; therefore, disagreeing with me is tantamount to treason against America and God Himself. Occupations my family do [B]not [/B] engage in are, however, fair game" [/I] to your initial comments and saved yourself, and us, a lot of time.
[QUOTE]The average citizen is very much a coward and will not defend himself. He will prefer to take a beating just short of life threatening. After time passes, cops tend to regard these creatures as despicable whiners. I wonder if many of the professed cop-haters have defended themselves in public assaults?[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, Ed? Defend yourself and it's the cops who will make sure you're locked up for it! Who do you think has acted as the [I]enforcement wing [/I] of the continuing emasculation of the American male? [U]The cops[/U]...like it or not!
2005-04-12 14:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=edward gibbon]The average citizen is very much a coward and will not defend himself. He will prefer to take a beating just short of life threatening. After time passes, cops tend to regard these creatures as despicable whiners. I wonder if many of the professed cop-haters have defended themselves in public assaults?[/QUOTE] I'm not a "cop-hater", but a lot of resentment I have for police is for precisely the opposite reason. Too often when a fight will start outside a pub, or when a group of friends are walking down the street and are attacked, anyone who fights back is deemed to be "participating in a brawl" and treated as the moral equivalent of their attacker. Cops don't care "who started it". The only time you will get any sympathy from a cop as a victim of violence (especially if you are young and male) is if you end up in hospital or dead.
In my home town (in provincial NZ) there was a case a few years ago of a guy (mid 20s) who was attacked by a group of several teenage youths. He knocked one of them out cold, at which point one of the others pulled a knife and stabbed him (non-fatally). The cop response was to basically blame the victim for defending himself by making a public statement advising pedestrians travelling late at night not to respond to taunting by teenage youths - i.e. he was "asking for it".
Police enjoy their state-sanctioned monopoly on violence and resent anyone who tries to muscle in on their turf by having the gumption to defend themselves.
2005-04-12 16:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]What are you talking about, Ed? Defend yourself and it's the cops who will make sure you're locked up for it! Who do you think has acted as the [I]enforcement wing [/I] of the continuing emasculation of the American male? [U]The cops[/U]...like it or not![/QUOTE]
LOL! Well put. Probably goes hand-in-hand with this...
[quote=Rowdy Roddy Piper]Police enjoy their state-sanctioned monopoly on violence and resent anyone who tries to muscle in on their turf by having the gumption to defend themselves.
"Just give the criminal what he wants. Don't resist. Don't 'take the law into your own hands.' That's what the police are for." Etc, etc.
2005-04-12 17:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]What are you talking about, Ed? Defend yourself and it's the cops who will make sure you're locked up for it! Who do you think has acted as the [I]enforcement wing [/I] of the continuing emasculation of the American male? [U]The cops[/U]...like it or not![/QUOTE]I was referring to those who cower and permit the assailant to punch and kick them. This is far more common than the proverbial stand-up fight. I have little faith in the American legal system. Hence, I believe non-judicial justice must be administered much of the time. Training in martial arts and self-defense is [I]not[/I] wasted, and I recommend this exercise for those who think their ideas will triumph without any recourse to violence.
Most cops are much more cynical about American justice than the average citizen. Rodney King was getting the beating he richly deserved. His behavior before and after his altercation has proven that. I also admit cops can be a big pain in the ass at times.
2005-04-12 18:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]Therefore as a father of a police officer, and having other close relatives who are also police officers, I cannot in good conscience remain on a forum with people who hold such prejudiced opinions.
I thought I was among Christian friends...Thanks for the education...And oh by the way, I hope you or your loved ones never need a cop![/QUOTE]Looks like you've picked up too much of that "its us good cops against the rest of the bad world mentality". As well as the proverbial cop's lack of a sense of humour,manifested in the "take the ball home with me when we're losing" mentality.
2005-04-12 18:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Angler] [. . .]
Look at what that maggot Justin Volpe of the NYPD did to that immigrant Abner Louima.
[. . .][/QUOTE] I believe you've written a very honest and candidly objective summary of your feelings toward the contemporary police mentality. It is an interesting read and I'd like to expand on it with what I've found to be a fascinating though little-known element of the Volpe/Louima story.
For the benefit of those who are unfamiliar with the case, Justin Volpe was a New York City police officer assigned to a neighborhood which is heavily populated with Haitian immigrants. Having responded to a 4:00 AM altercation outside a bar, he was struck with a fist from behind by someone he believed to be Abner Louima (which was never established).
He arrested Louima, a Haitian (illegal) immigrant, and transported him to the 70th Precinct, where he took Louima, handcuffed, into a toilet, knocked him down, pulled off Louima's trousers and shorts, then shoved the handle of a commode brush as far into Louima's rectum as it would go, rupturing his bowel and causing severe intestinal injuries.
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While Abner Louima assuredly is not the first person to sustain severe injuries in a NYC police station, it is the bizarre nature of this particular example which caused it to become the media sensation it was. If Volpe had just beaten Louima half to death, which is customary retaliation for assaulting a NYC cop, his injuries would have been written up as incurred while resisting arrest, or from falling down stairs, etc. But the blood pouring from Louima's rectum demanded medical attention and the rest is history.
While Volpe's action has been speculatively attributed to repressed homosexual sadism, what is not commonly known is that the standard punishment for resisting, or in any way opposing, the [I]Ton-Ton Macout,[/I] who were the dreaded secret police of the Francois, [I]Papa Doc,[/I] Duvalier regime, was to be impaled on a sharpened broomstick, much in the manner attributed to Vlad Tepes, and tossed out, bound, in the sun. The channels by which Justin Volpe, a stereotypical Brooklyn Italian, assimilated this aspect of Haitian culture being, undoubtedly, his long exposure to it while working in the 70 Precinct and the (also quite interesting) fact that his fiance was a coal black Haitian immigrant.
2005-04-12 19:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]I see that cop-bashing comes very easy to a lot of you 'keyboard warriors.' Better a keyboard warrior than someone who plays "warrior" in real life and victimizes other people in the process. That's what cops try to do.
Therefore as a father of a police officer, and having other close relatives who are also police officers, I cannot in good conscience remain on a forum with people who hold such prejudiced opinions. Actually, it's you who are prejudiced -- in favor of the police. That's because you have relatives who are cops. My views of the police are based on purely on my own observations.
If it's any consolation, I do admit that there are a few decent cops out there -- it's just that they are extremely rare.
I thought I was among Christian friends...Thanks for the education...And oh by the way, I hope you or your loved ones never need a cop![/QUOTE]I won't -- unless someday I'm in an area where cops prevent ordinary citizens from defending themselves by zealously enforcing unconstitutional gun laws. (Granted, I do have a habit of ignoring those laws....)
2005-04-12 20:22 | User Profile
Police are reflections of the system they serve. When that system sensible and humane, the police tend to be humane as well. As the system grows worse, they grow worse as well, since it is their job to enforce the system. Our rotten police are part of the same phenomenon as our rotten empire and our rotten culture.
2005-04-12 20:43 | User Profile
I am more afraid of cops than of criminals because I can always take proper action in order to defend myself from criminals but not from a cop who is a criminal.
Do we have cops who are criminals? hell yes, I seen it with my own two eyes and I cannot say what I saw because it will make trouble..... for me.
It is a sad situation when an honest citzen is afraid of saying the truth.
2005-04-12 21:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Police are reflections of the system they serve. When that system sensible and humane, the police tend to be humane as well. As the system grows worse, they grow worse as well, since it is their job to enforce the system. [/QUOTE]Re [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=109355&postcount=14]Brandeis[/URL]