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Thread ID: 17582 | Posts: 11 | Started: 2005-03-31
2005-03-31 07:08 | User Profile
CRISIS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
The Pope's Contradictions
By Hans Küng
Outwardly Pope John Paul II, who has been actively involved in battling war and suppression, is a beacon of hope for those who long for freedom. Internally, however, his anti-reformist tenure has plunged the Roman Catholic church into an epochal credibility crisis.
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2005-03-31 19:14 | User Profile
The problems in the Church started when we, including the Pope, started listening to German theologians. Germans should stick to making cars and leave the religion to others. And I speak as a German-American.
2005-03-31 21:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Buster]The problems in the Church started when we, including the Pope, started listening to German theologians. Germans should stick to making cars and leave the religion to others. And I speak as a German-American.[/QUOTE] Agreed! (Ratzinger notwithstanding :smile: ) The German mind is fastidious. I had a mathematical logic professor who would go through a difficult and complicated proof and say, "Now that's the easy way.". Before he would go through the more rigorous-- ungodly-- proofs he'd say, "Now, I'll show you the Germanic way." And on the same point, I heard a lecture by a Catholic historian where he was pointing out some of the previous published histories of the Catholic Church and made a funny observation. He referenced a couple French works which were each about 300 pages total with titles like "The Complete History of the Catholic Church". Then he'd reference a German work with the title "A Brief Handbook on the History of Catholic Church" which was an eight volume set.
Such intellectual fastidiousness is good, but it can lead to a form of intellectual or scholarly positivism, or a 'trees for the forest' problem. It is, IMO, the reason modern biblical scholarship is in a bad way. And it is no coincidence this higher criticism of the bible is a product of German scholarship. If nothing else this Terri Shindler case has highlighted the danger of legal positivism.
2005-03-31 22:31 | User Profile
Btw, I should point out that there are few theological intellectual equals in the Catholic Church to Pope John Paul II. This not pious hyperbole. I recall reading about the Pope's theological and philosophical education in Rome and Lublin. He defended and earned his doctorate in theology with an unheard of perfect 10/10 times 3 examiners (w/ the great French Dominican genius Reginald Gerrigou-Lagrange, O.P., one of his examiners). To give you a comparison, the former Jesuit turned top Oxford philosopher Anthony Kenny, former Master of Balliol College, and currently Warden of Rhodes College, Oxford Univ., scored a 7/10 on his Rome doctorate.
2005-04-02 14:39 | User Profile
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[center]Michael A. Hoffman II[/center]
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2005-04-02 14:51 | User Profile
I'm amazed at how far the Catholic Church, hence the West, has fallen since Pope John Paul II was elected 25 years ago to head the RCC. If anything, the RCC went on a pro-non-white-immigration-into-the-West rampage that would make the Jews blush. Or maybe another way of putting it-did absolutely nothing to stop it. However, I'm not putting all the blame on JPII or the RCC. I'm only recalling what I've observed over the past quarter century; there have been many players in the phenomenon of Western decline. All a unique coincidence perhaps or just a plain old conspiracy?
A positive for JPII was his fight against ending Communism in Eastern Europe and ending the suffering of the people there. That said, is it just me or has the decline of the West accelerated to maximum speed since the end of Soviet Communism 15 years ago?
I fear whoever replaces JPII as pope will be considerably more liberal, therefore considerably worse. Look for further decline.
2005-04-02 15:35 | User Profile
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For his activity during the Second World War in the secret Union organisation, which provided assistance to Jews, many years later the Pope, whose motto is "Totus Tuus", received thanks from the B'nai B'rith Jewish Anti-Defamation League.
2005-04-02 19:55 | User Profile
Michael Hoffman's criticisms are spot on. This left-wing, Bolshevik pope has made a mockery of the office of the Papacy. If he is a "conservative", I'd sure hate to take a gander at a "liberal" Pope.
I have an uneasy feeling that the by now predictable attacks by such scrofulous vermin as this Hans Küng are carefully orchestrated in order to get the doddering Pontiff's unthinking flocks to reflexively empathize with Christ traitor Pope Katz, much as race traitor Jorge Bush is regularly assaulted by the professional snivel rights lobby for his ostensible racism, thus shoring up his support among those whom he betrays upon a regular basis (thinks Gabrielle).
2005-04-02 20:30 | User Profile
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2005-04-02 22:47 | User Profile
I don't think it's at all accurate to claim that the Pope served the Jews. He spoke out strongly against the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, angering more than a few Jews in the process. He was also adamantly against the invasion of Iraq, unlike the true servants of the Jews (e.g., many evangelical Christians).
If we are going to be fair about this, I think the worst thing we can say about John Paul II was that he was naive in certain ways. He was an idealist who believed, among other things, that reconciliation with Jews was possible. The truth, of course, is that a major part of Jewish ethnic identity lies in their self-designated status as eternal victims whose righteous anger is always justified. A good rule of thumb might be that the more strongly a Jew identifies with his ethnicity, the less interested he is in reconciliation with Christians and Muslims.
Despite being a non-Christian, I find it hard to be angry with JPII about anything, even when it comes to issues that I think he was dead wrong about. He was a good-natured, peaceful old guy who tried to make the world a better place.
2005-04-03 01:41 | User Profile
The record of John Paul II is a mixed one. He often refused to face and fight the Bolshevik head on a good part of the time. He Took up the Bolshevik idea of ant-"Racism" and advanced it's cause. He was not a "conservative" he ideas were very close to those of John XIII. He did reject Fornication and Sodomy and attack them as sin for that he should be praised. He was a strong supporter and even developer of the failed policies of Vatican II. Vatican II was a failure that is undebatable.
xmetalhead,
Great Post! [QUOTE]I'm amazed at how far the Catholic Church, hence the West, has fallen since Pope John Paul II was elected 25 years ago to head the RCC. If anything, the RCC went on a pro-non-white-immigration-into-the-West rampage that would make the Jews blush. Or maybe another way of putting it-did absolutely nothing to stop it. However, I'm not putting all the blame on JPII or the RCC. I'm only recalling what I've observed over the past quarter century; there have been many players in the phenomenon of Western decline. All a unique coincidence perhaps or just a plain old conspiracy?
A positive for JPII was his fight against ending Communism in Eastern Europe and ending the suffering of the people there. That said, is it just me or has the decline of the West accelerated to maximum speed since the end of Soviet Communism 15 years ago?
I fear whoever replaces JPII as pope will be considerably more liberal, therefore considerably worse. Look for further decline.[/QUOTE]