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Thread ID: 17473 | Posts: 27 | Started: 2005-03-23
2005-03-23 08:24 | User Profile
[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/opinion/23kristof.html?th&emc=th]New York Times[/URL] A Morsel of Goat Meat By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF Published: March 23, 2005
Binga, Zimbabwe ââ¬â The hungry children and the families dying of AIDS here are gut-wrenching, but somehow what I find even more depressing is this: [B]Many, many ordinary black Zimbabweans wish that they could get back the white racist government that oppressed them in the 1970's.[/B]
"If we had the chance to go back to white rule, we'd do it," said Solomon Dube, a peasant whose child was crying with hunger when I arrived in his village. "Life was easier then, and at least you could get food and a job."
Mr. Dube acknowledged that the white regime of Ian Smith was awful. But now he worries that his 3-year-old son will die of starvation, and he would rather put up with any indignity than witness that.
An elderly peasant in another village, Makupila Muzamba, said that hunger today is worse than ever before in his seven decades or so, and said:[B] "I want the white man's government to come back. ... Even if whites were oppressing us, we could get jobs and things were cheap compared to today."[/B] His wife, Mugombo Mudenda, remembered that as a younger woman she used to eat meat, drink tea, use sugar and buy soap. But now she cannot even afford corn gruel. [B]"I miss the days of white rule," she said.[/B]
Nearly every peasant I've spoken to in Zimbabwe echoed those thoughts, although it's also clear that some still hail President Robert Mugabe as a liberator. This is a difficult place to gauge the mood in, because foreign reporters are barred from Zimbabwe and promised a prison sentence of up to two years if caught. I sneaked in at Victoria Falls and traveled around the country pretending to be a tourist.
The human consequences of the economic collapse are heartbreaking. I visited a hospital and a clinic that lacked both medicines and doctors. Children die routinely for want of malaria medication that costs just a few dollars.
At one maternity ward, 21 women were sitting outside, waiting to give birth. No nurse or doctor was in sight, and I asked the women when they had last eaten meat, eggs or other protein. They laughed uproariously. Lilian Dube, a 24-year-old who had hiked 11 miles to get to the hospital, said that she had celebrated Christmas with a morsel of goat meat.
"Before that, the last time I had meat was Christmas the year before," she said. "I just eat corn porridge and mnyi," a kind of wild fruit.
An elementary school I visited had its fifth graders meeting outside, because it doesn't have enough classrooms. Like other schools, it raises money by charging fees for all students - driving pupils away.
"Only a few of the kids who started in grade one are still with me in school," Charity Sibanda, a fifth-grader, told me. "Some dropped out because they couldn't pay school fees. And some died of AIDS."
As many as a third of working-age Zimbabweans have AIDS or H.I.V., and every 15 minutes a Zimbabwean child dies of AIDS. Partly because of AIDS, life expectancy has dropped over the last 15 years from 61 to 34, and 160,000 Zimbabwean children will lose a parent this year.
AIDS is not President Mugabe's fault, but the collapse of the health system has made the problem far worse.
[B]The West has often focused its outrage at Mr. Mugabe's seizure of farms from white landowners, but that is tribalism on our part.[/B] The greatest suffering by far is among black Zimbabweans.
I can't put Isaac Mungombe out of my mind. He's sick, probably dying of AIDS, and his family is down to one meal a day. His wife, Jane, gave birth to their third child, Amos, six months ago at home because she couldn't afford $2 to give birth in the hospital. No one in the family has shoes, and the children can't afford to attend school. They're a wonderful, loving family, and we chatted for a long time - but Isaac and Jane will probably soon die of AIDS, and the children will join the many other orphans in the village.
When a white racist government was oppressing Zimbabwe, the international community united to demand change. These days, a black racist government is harming the people of Zimbabwe more than ever, and the international community is letting Mr. Mugabe get away with it. Our hypocrisy is costing hundreds of Zimbabwean lives every day.
2005-03-23 09:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The West has often focused its outrage at Mr. Mugabe's seizure of farms from white landowners, but that is tribalism on our part.[/QUOTE]
The chutzpah of that statement leaves me breathless.
"Tribalism?" It was largely Jewish tribalism that caused the blacks to come to power in the first place. Jews led the Communist movement in southern Africa, after all.
And surely he sees that the "seizure of white farms" is exactly the reason blacks are now denied the plentiful food and jobs they had under white rule.
Kristoff says the problem is "racism," be it white racism or black racism. He is saying that while things were materially better under Iain Smith's white racism than Robert Mugabe's black racism, that seems to be simply an accident of history, and that the two "racisms" are moral equivalents.
Such transparent lies.
As reams of careful research over decades has proved beyond any reasonable doubt, the problem with Africa is very low black IQ.
With an average IQ of about 72, blacks are a full two standard deviations less intelligent on average than whites. This means that half are mentally retarded by white standards as measured by IQ (very narrow measure of human talent); that only 15% or so will qualify for some sort of training beyond that of laborer; that only about 2% or so will exceed the white average of 100; and that only a passingly small percentage have the innate talent to be considered good college material by white standards at IQ= 115. It appears that the black genome simply doesn't produce IQ levels beyond that, so that black Africa will not produce top research scientists, great engineers and so forth.
And history bears witness to Africa's intellectual sterility.
In short, black Africans for genetic reasons simply cannot produce enough high-IQ people to manage the infrastructure of a modern economy. They can't manage a modern farm, for Heaven's sake. They can't staff hospitals with competent professionals, or keep the electrical grid and sewage systems running. They CAN'T DO THAT, because God in His infinite wisdom decreed that their genome will not produce enough g factor for that.
What sick, cruel S.O.B. would ever wish upon Africans that they should rule themselves?
I don't hate Africans. In fact, I appreciate their many great talents. We need to admit, however, that they just don't have g-factor smarts, which means that if they want the benefits of civilization they're going to have to import a professional and managerial class that will of necessity live better on average than they, else the managerial class wouldn't bother to come to Africa.
The question for Africans is whether they'd prefer to serve in heaven or rule in hell.
They can either live under viscious black tyrants like Amin and Mugabe, or they can live as well-fed peasants under white rulers like Iain Smith.
That's their choice. There is no other.
And I regret to say that the cussedness of human nature dictates that they'll choose Mugabe over Smith every time.
We should write off Africa.
2005-03-23 21:03 | User Profile
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ââ¬â The hungry children and the families dying of AIDS here are gut-wrenching, but somehow what I find even more depressing is this: Many, many ordinary black Zimbabweans wish that they could get back the white racist government that oppressed them in the 1970's.
"If we had the chance to go back to white rule, we'd do it," said Solomon Dube, a peasant whose child was crying with hunger when I arrived in his village. "Life was easier then, and at least you could get food and a job."
Mr. Dube acknowledged that the white regime of Ian Smith was awful. But now he worries that his 3-year-old son will die of starvation, and he would rather put up with any indignity than witness that.
2005-03-23 21:52 | User Profile
Not to worry, Kievsky, for Father Bush will come to the rescue with billions of dollars in the form of US AID. Remember, he is a "compassionate conservative", except when it comes to the Whites.
2005-03-24 00:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kievsky]The hungry children and the families dying of AIDS here are gut-wrenching, but somehow what I find even more depressing is this: Many, many ordinary black Zimbabweans wish that they could get back the white racist government that oppressed them in the 1970's.[/QUOTE]
Of course, the idea of white political power is far worse, "even more depressing" than mere starving children and mass death. Black suffering just isn't as interesting when it's not useful as a means of taking down whitey.
[QUOTE=Kievsky]"If we had the chance to go back to white rule, we'd do it," said Solomon Dube, a peasant whose child was crying with hunger when I arrived in his village. "Life was easier then, and at least you could get food and a job."[/QUOTE]
It doesn't take a genius.
[QUOTE=Kievsky]Mr. Dube acknowledged that the white regime of Ian Smith was awful.[/QUOTE]
...after prompting from the reporter.
[QUOTE=Kievsky]But now he worries that his 3-year-old son will die of starvation, and he would rather put up with any indignity than witness that.[/QUOTE]
Such as the indiginty of food and a job?
2005-03-24 08:28 | User Profile
LOL...
[img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/03/22/opinion/20050323_KRISTOF3_600.jpg[/img] Nigras that don't have Whitey to show them "how".
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2005-03-24 13:38 | User Profile
This is a duplicate thread, I posted this yesterday [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17473]HERE.[/URL]
It's best to use original titles, and to check original titles before posting.
Sert: if I'm correct in this (I had it wrong last time, so maybe I'm just reading this wrong) could you please move this over to the first-in-time post?
2005-03-24 13:49 | User Profile
Walter,
Done.
2005-03-24 13:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Walter,
Done.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Sert.
You da man! :thumbsup:
2005-03-24 14:06 | User Profile
You're welcome, Walter.
If the rest of you people run across a double post let one of us know, please. Walter's right. Try to use the original title when possible. Where you can't because of length, try to use an abbreviated form. Another thing you can do is a search of either the title or better still, the author to insure this hasn't already been posted. Doing these simple things makes it easier on the moderators.
Thanks.
2005-03-24 17:38 | User Profile
Hey sh!t heads? don't judge those who cannot do anything with the situation with those who are able to control it.
Have any of you ever been to Rhode? Have you spoken to their people? Have you ever been invited into one of their home for lunch where all they could give you was rice and beans? Now days they don't even have that.
[B]Don't judge the blacks of Rhodesia with the blacks of America[/B], the blacks in America "have" the opportunity to educate themselves and become something but in Rhode all they can do is to "try" to do something about it and in many instances they have to do it by short wave radio from their homes.
If I get angry is because I been there and I know them and many of you are talking out of your friking AS*.
2005-03-24 17:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Hey sh!t heads? don't judge those who cannot do anything with the situation with those who are able to control it.
Have any of you ever been to Rhode? Have you spoken to their people? Have you ever been invited into one of their home for lunch where all they could give you was rice and beans? Now days they don't even have that.
Don't judge the blacks of Rhodesia with the blacks of America, the blacks in America "have" the opportunity to educate themselves and become something but in Rhode all they can do is to "try" to do something about it and in many instances they have to do it by short wave radio from their homes.
If I get angry is because I been there and I know them and many of you are talking out of your friking AS*.[/QUOTE] Well for starters, you can wear shoes so you don't get hookworm.
Then you can put on a shirt and tuck it in so you look like a decent credit or employment risk.
Not supporting Marxist black thugs because they're black and Ian Smith is white would also be smart, but it's too late for that now.
2005-03-24 17:58 | User Profile
I am tired of hearing about black suffering in formerly White controlled areas. I can't get the pictures out of my mind of the murdered and mutilated bodies of White SA farmers who were killed in their thousands and whose property was gleefully stolen by the local ebonite gentry. As far as I'm concerned they're getting exactly what they deserve and I have zero sympathy for them. This whole scenario is just another indication of the true nature of blacks. In a land of vast natural resourses, they can't feed themselves or even find adequate shelter. The black Africans killed off the White goose that was laying the golden eggs and now they're paying for it. F**k 'em!
2005-03-24 18:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]Well for starters, you can wear shoes so you don't get hookworm.
Then you can put on a shirt and tuck it in so you look like a decent credit or employment risk.
Not supporting Marxist black thugs because they're black and Ian Smith is white would also be smart, but it's too late for that now.[/QUOTE]
Shoes? shirt? now days they don't even have for FOOD much less for "luxury" items like shoes and shirt.
I wrote a lot more, here, but I deleted it.....waste of time.
2005-03-24 18:19 | User Profile
That's what you get for supporting black Marxist thugs: scarcity.
I was being a little more specific than maybe I should be. Re: the family in the picture, they have satisfied their basic needs of food, water, shelter. They even have enough surplus to support two children and wear clean clothes.
They should build on that by buying shoes and shirts.
2005-03-24 19:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Shoes? shirt? now days they don't even have for FOOD much less for "luxury" items like shoes and shirt.
I wrote a lot more, here, but I deleted it.....waste of time.[/QUOTE]
Ponce, I think nobody here wants to see blacks suffer.
The point is that they suffer because they're genetically incapable of producing enough smart people to even [I]maintain[/I] the infrastructure of a modern economy much less actually [I]build[/I] it on their own. They need others to run things for them. We need to admit that.
We can't start to address the problems of African immiseration until we can have a frank and open discussion of its main cause: low African intelligence.
We must first admit the problem before we can tackle it. Acceptance of reality on reality's terms is the starting point for all progress.
2005-03-24 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]That's what you get for supporting black Marxist thugs: scarcity.[/QUOTE] ST-- I think you have summed up all of modern Africa's problems with that one sentence.
2005-03-24 20:24 | User Profile
Walter? you are now talking like Bush who wants the whole world to be like America, their life style is not and should not be like ours due to their inviroment which id different than ours.
How do you think you would do in the middle of the jungle with no food, shelter, clothing or water?......would you know how to make the proper poison from the back of which frog in order to make poison? would you know which root to eat?
I don't say much when you talk about the blacks in the US but when you talk about the people from other lands then I will always jump in, you also call the Palestinian people backwards and lazy because they don't have modern houses and running water,well.....they had running water when your people used to drink from a creek and used to live in palaces when yours lived in caves.
Judge people according to who they are and not according as to whom you want them to be, next thing you know you will want them to wear a top hat and tails.
2005-03-24 20:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]How do you think you would do in the middle of the jungle with no food, shelter, clothing or water?......would you know how to make the proper poison from the back of which frog in order to make poison? would you know which root to eat? .[/QUOTE]
We know what it was like while the white folks ran Rhodesia, before the black folks turned it into Zimbabwe. The main point of the article under discussion is that Rhodesia was a vastly better place to live for all - black and white alike - than Zimbabwe.
I don't know where you're getting this stuff about which frog is poisonous and which root is good to eat. I don't understand how Palestinians relate to this.
That has nothing to do with this discussion about blacks in post-colonial Africa.
The question is whether blacks can run, for example, a modern farm. Remember that they worked for generations on these same farms. They saw how it's done. Indeed, they actually did the work. There's no lack of training here, as you seem to imply.
However, clearly there is a lack of innate ability to manage and plan complex operations. Blacks are simply incapable of MANAGING complexity. It's not that they weren't taught, the problem is that they CANNOT master the lesson.
Without putting too fine a point on it, as a group blacks are dumb. That's the problem. That's the simple truth. That's the elephant in the international living room.
And we can't start to live in the solution to that problem until we frankly acknowledge what the problem is.
2005-03-24 21:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]We know what it was like while the white folks ran Rhodesia, before the black folks turned it into Zimbabwe. The main point of the article under discussion is that Rhodesia was a vastly better place to live for all - black and white alike - than Zimbabwe.
I don't know where you're getting this stuff about which frog is poisonous and which root is good to eat. I don't understand how Palestinians relate to this.
That has nothing to do with this discussion about blacks in post-colonial Africa.
The question is whether blacks can run, for example, a modern farm. Remember that they worked for generations on these same farms. They saw how it's done. Indeed, they actually did the work. There's no lack of training here, as you seem to imply.
However, clearly there is a lack of innate ability to manage and plan complex operations. Blacks are simply incapable of MANAGING complexity. It's not that they weren't taught, the problem is that they CANNOT master the lesson.
Without putting too fine a point on it, as a group blacks are dumb. That's the problem. That's the simple truth. That's the elephant in the international living room.
And we can't start to live in the solution to that problem until we frankly acknowledge what the problem is.[/QUOTE]
That is so true -- they've been living and working on those farms for years, and yet didn't "get it" how to run them after they killed massa.
That makes it that much more obvious that we are right. They are natives, for heaven's sake, and had the benefit of years of hands on training. How could they not prosper in such a rich land?
Ponce's little rant was funny. Oooh, such a world traveler, knows so much more than us merkin hicks, how dare we criticize those wonderful people. Well, the whites over there are saying the same thing we are saying, so too bad, Ponce.
Rob
2005-03-24 22:14 | User Profile
Ponce, I don't understand your obtuseness on this subject. None of your posts have made any sense. Walter and others have done a fine job of describing the problem. Just listen to them.
Walter, you made the following point, "Without putting too fine a point on it, as a group blacks are dumb. That's the problem. That's the simple truth. That's the elephant in the international living room."
In my workplace, I've seen blacks placed into management positions who simply lacked the necessary ability or skill. However, some of these blacks have been smart enough to keep their mouths shut, and let their white coworkers carry them. Because so many whites are unwilling to admit the obvious truth, they play along with the charade, and treat the black managers as though they were intelligent and capable.
2005-03-25 00:58 | User Profile
OK, OK, OK I can see where you guys are coming from and you are right, after the whites left Rhodesia the blacks should have known what to do and I do agree with that.
But the blacks were in Rhodesia before the whites and they were perfectly happy as they were before the whites came along in order to liberate them and teach them how to be "civilize", can you see where I am coming from?
YOU CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE OF ANOTHER COUNTRY ACT OR BE LIKE YOU, that's why is called "a different coutry".
Do you think that American tourists goes overseas in order to see more Americans? I don't think so.
2005-03-25 17:36 | User Profile
Mr. Christof's Jewish flavored concern tugs at the heartstrings, does it not? The sight of starving children and entire families dying of AIDS is somehow less depressing than the victim's reasoned solution to the problem, i.e; a return to that [I]eeebel [/I] paternalistic white colonialism.
Maybe if Christof's tribesmen- those concerned diamond merchants and other industrialists- had given heed to Schweitzer's observations, Africa would not again be the hell hole it has continued to be for most of recorded history, save the brief periods of relatively idyllic colonial rule. Then again, maybe they were well aware of Schweitzer's knowledge and used it to their advantage in looting the continent...
[url]http://vaandel.co.za/newsfrom.htm[/url]
[I]In die mist of the Congo trouble, [B]Dr. Albert Schweitzer [/B] said:
"I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or share equally with White men in any functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: White the superior, and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as equals, they will either destroy or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work, and so for any existing relationship or for any benefit to his people, let White men, from anywhere in the world, who would come to help Africa remember that he must continually retain this status: you the master, and they the inferior children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you..."
-- An extract from his book: AFRICA, WISDOM OF A LIFETIME (Banned in the USA.)[/I]
2005-03-25 17:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Maybe if Christof's tribesmen- those concerned diamond merchants and other industrialists- had given heed to Schweitzer's observations, Africa would not be the hell hole it has continued to be for most of recorded history, save the brief periods of relatively idyllic colonial rule. [/QUOTE]
Well quoth.
Does anybody know where I can get a copy of this book?
I couldn't google up anything on this.
2005-03-25 18:10 | User Profile
Should be attributed to **From My African Notebook[/B]
[url]http://www.schweitzer.org/english/diverse/asefaq.htm[/url] (scroll down)
Buy at:
[url]http://www.tomfolio.com/bookdetailsfg.asp?b=KON0527794&m=442[/url]
[url]http://www.theshelfbookshop.com/si/086609.html[/url]
[url]http://www.biblio.com/search.php?tid=0&auid=0&stage=1&author=SCHWEITZER+ALBERT.&title=FROM+MY+AFRICAN[/url]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007JL5N0/qid=1111774017/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0895005-7745520?v=glance&s=books[/url]
Other Schweitzer info:
[url]http://www.awionline.org/schweitzer/as-bib.htm[/url]
2005-03-25 18:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]Should be attributed to **From My African Notebook[/B]
[url]http://www.schweitzer.org/english/diverse/asefaq.htm[/url] (scroll down)
Buy at:
[url]http://www.tomfolio.com/bookdetailsfg.asp?b=KON0527794&m=442[/url]
[url]http://www.theshelfbookshop.com/si/086609.html[/url]
[url]http://www.biblio.com/search.php?tid=0&auid=0&stage=1&author=SCHWEITZER+ALBERT.&title=FROM+MY+AFRICAN[/url]
[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007JL5N0/qid=1111774017/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0895005-7745520?v=glance&s=books[/url]
Other Schweitzer info:
[url]http://www.awionline.org/schweitzer/as-bib.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Ah, that's it. Wrong title.
Thanks, Weisbrot.
2005-03-25 18:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Shoes? shirt? now days they don't even have for FOOD much less for "luxury" items like shoes and shirt.
I wrote a lot more, here, but I deleted it.....waste of time.[/QUOTE]
Ponce, Blacks are butchering Whites in Rhodesia. Give me a break.