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2005-03-23 04:50 | User Profile
Analysis: Immigration dogs trilateral
[World News] By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent WASHINGTON, March 22 : Despite Mexican President Vicente Fox's assertion that immigration is not on his agenda for Wednesday's trilateral summit with President George W.Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, the issue of the flood of illegal aliens across borders will likely be there all the same.
Immigration, no matter the nomenclature given it at any given time, is part and parcel of border security, and border security is part and parcel of the North American initiative the three leaders and their delegations will be discussing.
"They say the main focus is this initiative for North America, but I sense that President Fox is going to want to inject into that some appeal for a free movement of labor between Mexico and the United States," said Stephen Johnson, a policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank in Washington.
"At the very least, there will be some back channel discussions (between the U.S. and Mexico) on the guest worker proposal the president put forward," said John Keeley, communications director for the Center for Immigration Studies."It's a critical time."
New figures on illegal immigration released this week by the Pew Hispanic Center, a non-profit research organization, indicates the number of illegal aliens in the United States is growing by some 480,000 people a year.In 2000, based on Census Bureau statistics, the number of illegals in the United States was estimated at about 8 million; Pew estimated that number has to be nearly 11 million, with more than half of the number from Mexico.About 2.5 million of the total were said to be from other Latin American countries.
"I'm worried about our border," Sen.John McCain, R-Ariz.,, said recently."We now have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who are crossing illegally every year.And we are now seeing a larger number of people cross our southern border who are from countries of interest as opposed to just Latin American" countries.
"Countries of interest" refers to those known to be breeding grounds for terrorists or whose citizens figure prominently in terrorist groups.
With the flood of illegal aliens crossing the U.S.-Mexican border almost at will, the national security implications cannot be escaped.
Adm.James Loy, deputy director of the Department of Homeland Security, told Congress last month emerging information strongly suggested "al-Qaida has considered using the southwest border to infiltrate the United States, either on its own or through smuggling rings."
Canada and the United States have firmed up cross-border cooperation and procedures since the terrorist attacks of Sept.11, 2001, and are continuing to do so.Immigration-research groups and analysts say cooperation between the United States and Mexico has also improved, but Mexico still lacks the resources, if not the will, to more tightly close its border to illegal migrants.
An example of that lack of will, or more casual attitude toward the security aspect of illegal border crossing, was perhaps exemplified by a comic book produced by the Mexican government that gave information on crossing the border illegally and living unobtrusively in the United States.
Fox's ridicule of new U.S. border walls as discriminatory against Mexicans has also ruffled feathers north of the border.
"The United States is a sovereign nation that has every right to protect our borders, as other countries do, without baseless accusations of discrimination," Sen.Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.,, said last week."The process for entering the United States legally is straightforward and not terribly difficult -- deterrence measures like walls only discriminate against those who intend to break the law."
Government officials say the three leaders Wednesday plan to announce new joint border initiatives for legal cross-border traffic that would tighten security at crossing points, but also not impede the free flow of commerce, which with Mexico amounts to some $265 billion annually both ways.Among measures being undertaken by the three are pre-inspection of cargoes.
But for all the tightening of measures for crossing points, there is still the 1,400-mile frontier where understaffed and overworked border-patrol agents play catch as catch can with people seeking economic opportunity to the north.
"There is a great deal of accountability on the part of Mexico that needs to be addressed in these discussions," according to Keeley."Certainly the U.S. has a role here in trying to address the crisis, but so too does Mexico, and I think it has to begin with a very frank discussion on the fact that the 90 million population of Mexico includes 60 million living in poverty.And with a country possessing the extraordinary natural resources that Mexico does, that is not only indefensible, it's unfathomable."
Recognizing that illegal immigration from Mexico was driven by the quest for jobs and a better life, Bush has proposed an immigration initiative that would include a temporary guest-worker provision.
The idea, however, immediately came under fire on Capitol Hill and in states bearing the brunt of undocumented aliens.Republicans and groups seeking stronger enforcement of immigration law believe the guest-worker idea amounts to an amnesty for illegals.Democrats and others believe it does not go far enough.
Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, said an ideal legislative solution would include a registration process for illegals, which with certain steps and markers -- learning English, a good work history, no criminal offenses -- would lead to permanent residency and then citizenship.
Keeley believes a guest-worker program would be wrong.It would set the United States on recruiting a "serf class" of workers, he said, and the experience of other countries with similar programs show they do not work.
"People coming from Third World countries come as human beings and have the same aspirations and motivations that every other human being does from a First World country," he said."They also bring family or put down roots over the course of years, and it's not plausible, it's not even reasonable to expect that these people would uproot themselves from this new existence to return home later.
" Whether more leniency for illegal immigration or tighter control, there appears no magic bullet.Economic measures taken by the three states, building on the North American Free Trade Agreement, could help, but until the tide of illegal immigration from the south is stanched, border-security efforts to protect the U.S. heartland will fall short.
"The national security issue is the size of the unassimilated foreign-born population in the United States, many of whom are trying to live in the shadows of society, which makes a very convenient environment in which terrorists can operate if they get into the country," said Jack Martin, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a non-profit advocacy group.
-- Copyright 2005 by United Press International.
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2005-03-23 04:54 | User Profile
*Recognizing that illegal immigration from Mexico was driven by the quest for jobs and a better life, Bush has proposed an immigration initiative that would include a temporary guest-worker provision.
The idea, however, immediately came under fire on Capitol Hill and in states bearing the brunt of undocumented aliens.Republicans and groups seeking stronger enforcement of immigration law believe the guest-worker idea amounts to an amnesty for illegals...*
Borders? Borders? We don' heed no steenkin' Borders! :disgust:
2005-03-27 01:17 | User Profile
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2005-03-28 17:26 | User Profile
It's not exactly Mexico's fault we've set up an attractive nuisance of a welfare state.
Besides, the real damage to this nation's -- particularly where personal liberty and sovereignty of the familys concerned -- has been done by the English we failed to annihilate and the Germans we paperclipped to the heart of our scientific and educational establishment.
Thank Whitey.
2005-03-28 20:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=askel5]It's not exactly Mexico's fault we've set up an attractive nuisance of a welfare state.
Besides, the real damage to this nation's -- particularly where personal liberty and sovereignty of the familys concerned -- has been done by the English we failed to annihilate and the Germans we paperclipped to the heart of our scientific and educational establishment.
Thank Whitey.[/QUOTE] The Anglos made this nation what it is, the good and the bad. Had they the benefit of foresight, I imagine they'd have told the Irish, Slavic, Italians and Jews to go prey on the generosity of someone else.
2005-03-28 22:48 | User Profile
I think they actually did try very hard to stem the tide of Undesirables (Catholics and Jews, primarily) by cranking immigration quotas.
Whitey only came to real power with the end of the War Between the States. These things take a little time.
2005-03-28 23:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=askel5]I think they actually did try very hard to stem the tide of Undesirables (Catholics and Jews, primarily) by cranking immigration quotas.
Whitey only came to real power with the end of the War Between the States. These things take a little time.[/QUOTE] Nonsense. The Anglos were firmly in control of this country by 1816. They would have remained so if the Northeast hadn't decided to fling open the gates for the Old World to come rushing in. And, to be fair, if Southerners had picked their own damn cotton.
2005-03-28 23:28 | User Profile
What now? We're going to blame Kunta Kinte and his posse -- selling out neighbor tribes on the Dark Continent -- for the slave trade?
And how in the world could Whitey have picked his own cotton when he's simply not suited by nature for hard labor in the same way that Chinks, niggers, wops and chicanos are?
I understand what you're saying about 1816. No worries where the non-Whites were concerned -- Injuns, Spaniards and French (the last being too Catholic, yet, to be really white).
But I'm speaking not to having control of the nation (as opposed to non-whites) but control of the nation in the singularly Anglo tradition of New Millionaires and the sundry pirates of arms, drug-dealing and warmaking who've run our nation into the ground since.
2005-03-29 02:00 | User Profile
Ok, you wrote your anger in black and white..... the question is, what are you going to do about it? or what can be done about it?
2005-03-29 14:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=askel5]But I'm speaking not to having control of the nation (as opposed to non-whites) but control of the nation in the singularly Anglo tradition of New Millionaires and the sundry pirates of arms, drug-dealing and warmaking who've run our nation into the ground since.[/QUOTE] As wintermute puts it, the Northeast, with its hive mind of Protestant and Unitarian progressivists, is patient zero with regard to the current state of the USA. The South simply had to be destroyed, and they were.
2005-03-29 15:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime]As wintermute puts it, the Northeast, with its hive mind of Protestant and Unitarian progressivists, is patient zero with regard to the current state of the USA. The South simply had to be destroyed, and they were.[/QUOTE]
Patient Zero? You mean they were first to succumb to the WASP sting?
Steamship ... I feel badly about dogging Either/Or (Texas Dissident) the other day. He's always been a favorite of mine and there are several on this forum for whom I have tremendous respect.
But how in the world am I supposed to stomach the Rainbow Coalition, Zionist Jew sort of thinking that is the hallmark of "racialism" or this utterly retarded White Supremacist crap?
On another thread, the Ygg is obsessing about the way they've made Prince Charming look like a Saudi or something. Yes, I understand how annoying that is and all ... I wish I'd bought a copy of "Song of the South" years ago, it was one of my favorite films as a kid ... but to pin these crimes on the Useful Idiots groomed by Gramscian-marxist organic intellectuals is silly.
Particularly when the organic intellectuals get their talking points from ivory tower intellectuals and the monied but decadent WASPs who merely are interested in dumbing down whites to the same level of Pavlovian malleability as the blacks, the Jews, the gays, wimmen and what's left of the handicapped.
Why the obsession about skin tone when it's the grey matter within the skull (regardless the shape, size or pigment of the casing) which really matters?
I guess as a Catholic who's only too well aware how powerful are the witness and the actions of converts and how strong is the faith of those -- particularly in Africa and the Far East -- who are not utterly corrupted with western materialism and who are tempered with REAL suffering (as opposed to the endless taking of offense which fuels things around here), I don't understand the superficiality inherent in the Whitey thing.
It certainly doesn't speak to there being any decided superiority conferred strictly through skin when most of these racialists not only operate on the same exact essential principle as their foes but evidence in spades a woefully stunted and deformed interpretation of the Christian faith ... that is IF they even still acknowledge same as somehow decisive where a culture's exercise of justice and mercy and its protection of liberty and truth are concerned.
It's very depressing. I really want to give this place another try. For the most part the signal:noise is far superior to other sites but the Whitey thing makes everyone look like fools.
2005-03-29 16:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=askel5]Why the obsession about skin tone when it's the grey matter within the skull (regardless the shape, size or pigment of the casing) which really matters? [/QUOTE] I think this is the only thing you're asking.
For me, it's mostly a matter of pragmatism. The idea that we can build a coherent, healthy society solely around the idea of comparative advantage is ludicrous. You need blood and soil to bind people together. This necessarily means that polities will be small, another essential ingredient for liberty.
A related thought is that liberal societies must use illiberal means to defend themselves.
2005-03-29 17:36 | User Profile
You know, SteamshipTime, if pragamatism hadn't existed (and it didn't) they'd have invented it (as they did) so that the West could destroy itself from within.
Are you really a pragmatist?
If the Whites see fit to squander their heritage on the alchemy of pragmatism or by otherwise stooping to conquer, they deserve what they get.
The meek shall inherit the earth ...regardless whose blood stains the soil.
2005-03-29 17:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SteamshipTime] This necessarily means that polities will be small, another essential ingredient for liberty.[/QUOTE]
There you go, by the way. Are you familiar with the principle of subsidiarity?
I guess I've just lived to long feeling "bound" by love and affection for my neighbors of all colors, shapes and sizes to believe that bonds can be forged only through family trees.
While I'm not a literalist -- save for the occasional use of "is" by Christ -- I also think that "the West" as a Christian heritage surely understands what it means to have the one father and the one mother in Adam and Eve.
I mean, we're not Jews who believe that half the race are bastard children and denied by their creator while only we are favored, right?
And if folks truly believe human compassion or empathy is solely an operation of bloodline, is that what freaks them out about Catholic-style miscegenation ... as opposed to Protestant-style extermination?
2005-03-29 18:23 | User Profile
I can accept that, and I'd point out that New Orleans, like Atlanta and like most other cities, contains strictly segregated strata of violent negros, urban bohemians of different races, wealthy white townies in gentrifying neighborhoods, business districts that become wastelands at 5 p.m., and suburbs segregated usually according to race and always according to socio-economic status. That is the world we live in, not pre-Babel.