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2005-03-22 10:18 | User Profile
LNSG condemns modern society in school shooting
by Steve Martinez Tue, Mar. 22, 2005 Nationalist News Network
AUSTIN, TX (NNN) - The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, on whose messageboard Jeff Weise posted one year before shooting people at his Minnesota high school, today refused to wring hands over a "tragedy," instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society. According to the LNSG, the school shooting itself is not our failure; society is our failure, and the school shooting is a symptom.
"We knew [Weise] briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum," said LNSGP forum administrator Atem. "He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young." Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike "white nationalist" or "white power" movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society.
Weise most clearly expressed his philosophy in the following statement of frustration with the raceless, cultureless void of liberal industrial society: "The Natives you've known to be sympathetic to the cause are probably ones who've experienced firsthand what kind of problems cultural and race mixing can cause. As a result of cultural dominance and interracial mixing there are barely any full blooded Natives left. Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run rampant. Under a National Socialist government, things for us would improve vastly... That is, if we haven't already become too soft from the way this materialistic life-style has made us, and that is why I am pro-Nazi. It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist; people are so misinformed, ignorant, and closed-minded it makes your life a living hell."
National Socialism is a philosophy that, unlike the beliefs of modern society which are founded in material technology and abstract moral ideas about what should be, is based in the realism of nature. Each tribe must separate itself genetically from all others in order to survive, as otherwise it is assimilated; further, National Socialism recognizes that the individual comes second to the collective, comprising both human society and the natural environment that supports it. As a result, National Socialists are willing to engage in eugenics, racial separation and removal of elements hostile to a healthy society.
Modern society, in contrast, is based around the belief that the individual alone is supreme - a belief system that finds no opposition among the masses, who often fear their own inadequacies. Such societies turn toward liberal democracy, and thus permit public image manipulation to determine their course, while behind the scenes an oligarchy of the international wealthy manipulate politics and social trends for their own profit. The result is widespread environmental destruction, loss of ethnic-cultural heritage, a dysgenic program of rewarding the most subservient, and dominion by mass tastes that contradicts any thought of doing what is right for the whole.
Modernity is insane. The constraints of modern societies like the United States prevent the individual from publically acclaiming National Socialism or any other non-modernist solution without fear of losing jobs, friends and potential mates through social alienation. For this reason, the thinking individual is forced into a desperate position of seeing the downfall of our civilization at hand, but is prevented from speaking up unless that individual is willing to sacrifice his or her life for an impoverished, isolated existence, jail time, or suicide.
The school shooting in Red Lake, Minnesota will surprise no one who is familiar with this condition. Modernity is the root cause, and there are many symptoms of its effects, including school and workplace shootings, racial conflict, and ecoterrorism. The LNSG encourages all who are emotionally affected by today's events to embark on a course of changing modern society instead of blaming Jeff Weise or others who have brought this problem to your attention.
About the LNSG
The LNSG recognizes that modern, liberal democratic industrial society is the cause of its own enduring and pervasive problems. We believe in a resurrection of traditional values, including naturalism and nationalism, in order to end domination by material motivation and the "empowerment" of the individual. Our party operates at this time as a think tank for environmentalist and nationalist ideals, and can be found online at [url]www.nazi.org[/url].
About Nationalism
Nationalism is the belief that for diversity to exist, each ethnic-cultural grouping of human beings must isolate itself to prevent assimilation by the mass of cultureless proletariat produced by industrial society. It encourages a return to pre-industrial revolution traditional values, including a demotion of the individual to status as a method of achieving goals, and not a goal in itself.
NATIONALIST GROUPS
Indian [url]http://ecofascist.blogspot.com/[/url]
Hispanic [url]http://www.aztlan.net/[/url]
African-American [url]http://www.blackpanther.org/[/url]
Japanese [url]http://www.nsjap.com/[/url]
CONTACT Steve Martinez [email]info@nazi.org[/email] [url]http://www.nazi.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/weise/[/url]
2005-03-22 17:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=neoclassical]... [Steve Martinez Tue, Mar. 22, 2005 Nationalist News Network]...
AUSTIN, TX (NNN) - The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, on whose messageboard Jeff Weise posted one year before shooting people at his Minnesota high school, today refused to wring hands over a "tragedy," instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society. According to the LNSG, the school shooting itself is not our failure; society is our failure, and the school shooting is a symptom. ... The LNSG recognizes that modern, liberal democratic industrial society is the cause of its own enduring and pervasive problems. We believe in a resurrection of traditional values, including naturalism and nationalism, in order to end domination by material motivation and the "empowerment" of the individual. ...[/QUOTE] Well... the Nazis are right on target this time. :cheers: :hitler:
2005-03-22 17:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]Well... the Nazis are right on target this time. :cheers: :hitler:> The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, on whose messageboard Jeff Weise posted one year before shooting people at his Minnesota high school, today refused to wring hands over a "tragedy," instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society. According to the LNSG, the school shooting itself is not our failure; society is our failure, and the school shooting is a symptom. ... The LNSG recognizes that modern, liberal democratic industrial society is the cause of its own enduring and pervasive problems. We believe in a resurrection of traditional values, including naturalism and nationalism, in order to end domination by material motivation and the "empowerment" of the individual. [/QUOTE]
Sounds like a bunch of social misfit, horse crap to me.
2005-03-23 16:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Sounds like a bunch of social misfit, horse crap to me.[/QUOTE] It might, but look at it this way: something had to go wrong in European culture first, before the parasites, liars, etc could get in and tear things up.
No easy answers.
Might also see their reply to the ADL:
[url]http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/adl/[/url]
2005-03-23 18:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=neoclassical]It might, but look at it this way: something had to go wrong in European culture first, before the parasites, liars, etc could get in and tear things up. No easy answers.[/QUOTE]
Admittedly I've not taken an in-depth look at that site, but based on what you yourself have posted here at OD, hearing of this school-shooting tragedy and its partial roots in said website doesn't really surprise me. Such action by Weise really is the logical conclusion to the soul-killing nihilism presented in every op-ed from nazi.org that I have had the unfortunate task of reading here. Based on this 'who is to blame' press release, it doesn't appear that point will be understood and/or acknowledged by the administrators there, and that just further compounds the tragedy.
2005-03-23 18:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Admittedly I've not taken an in-depth look at that site, but based on what you yourself have posted here at OD, hearing of this school-shooting tragedy and its partial roots in said website doesn't really surprise me. Such action by Weise really is the logical conclusion to the soul-killing nihilism presented in every op-ed from nazi.org that I have had the unfortunate task of reading here. Based on this 'who is to blame' press release, it doesn't appear that point will be understood and/or acknowledged by the administrators there, and that just further compounds the tragedy.[/QUOTE]
Such remorselessness plays into the hands of Abe and other elements screeching for a Web crackdown.
Noting that Bill "Iago" White is acting as their media spokesman I see Agent Provocateur stains all over this sorry episode...
2005-03-23 18:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Such action by Weise really is the logical conclusion to the soul-killing nihilism presented in every op-ed from nazi.org that I have had the unfortunate task of reading here.[/QUOTE] What is that "soul-killing nihilism"? I see no such thing, so maybe we're using different meanings for the same words. If you can give some examples, that'd be great.
2005-03-23 18:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]Noting that Bill "Iago" White is acting as their media spokesman I see Agent Provocateur stains all over this sorry episode...[/QUOTE] I doubt it. The agent provocateurs want us to see illogical, violent, bigoted, single-minded Nazis; the LNSG is the antithesis of that.
2005-03-23 18:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=neoclassical]I doubt it. The agent provocateurs want us to see illogical, violent, bigoted, single-minded Nazis; the LNSG is the antithesis of that.[/QUOTE]
Dude,
Nobody will see past that silly swastika and the sophomoric rationalizations for a mass-murder to read your "positive" message...
2005-03-23 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=neoclassical]What is that "soul-killing nihilism"? I see no such thing, so maybe we're using different meanings for the same words. If you can give some examples, that'd be great.[/QUOTE]
nihilism: 1 a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths 2 a (1) : a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility (2) capitalized : the program of a 19th century Russian party advocating revolutionary reform and using terrorism and assassination
A simple search of the articles you have posted here will more than prove my point. The undercurrent of death and destruction are in them all.
Ideas have consequences, amigo. Even ones presented here on the anonymous internet. Weise is the fruit of your particular philosophy. I'd add Alex Linder and 'Linderism' to that, also.
2005-03-23 18:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]nihilism: 1 a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths
A simple search of the articles you have posted here will more than prove my point. The undercurrent of death and destruction are in them all.[/QUOTE] It does not appear so to me; there is no absolutism on the site (b) but there is clearly an appeal to tradition (a).
Did you read these?
[url="http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy"]http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy[/url]
2005-03-23 19:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Sounds like a bunch of social misfit, horse crap to me.[/QUOTE] I certainly don't approve of the Nazi's antisocial policies in general. However, they've made some pretty good points here.
The Nazis simply said, "modern, liberal democratic industrial society is the cause of its own enduring and pervasive problems."
How can you dispute that TD?
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2005-03-23 20:55 | User Profile
I doubt that "neo-Nazi" websites were the horse to this kid's cart. More like one of the wheel spokes. It sounds like he was simply a lonely, depressed teenager who gravitated toward the extreme because he was searching for answers that school wasn't giving him. He might have had a measure of sincerity about seeking racial purity, which, as he observed Indians trying to act black, can hardly be condemned.
I don't proclaim to be an expert on National Socialist ideology, but I don't gather it's all that nihilist. A vigorous racial nationalism I consider a damn good thing. It is attended by ethnic exclusion, inner stratification, well-defined sex roles and physical resistance and aggression when necessary. It's about life vigor. Those things aren't always happy in the sitcom sense, but I don't think acknowledging their importance can be compared to relativism or meaninglessness. Quite the opposite, in fact. The real relativism and meaningless spring from our raceless, deracinated modern existence, where family, loyalty, God and nation have been subverted to make room for Jewish individualism and consumerism.
Death and destruction aren't the opposite of life and creation. They are forces to be respected and mastered.
2005-03-23 21:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Death and destruction aren't the opposite of life and creation. They are forces to be respected and mastered.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Especially when figuring out how to exterminate the no longer useful [url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106866&postcount=1]physically infirm[/url] among us.
2005-03-23 21:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Indeed. Especially when figuring out how to exterminate the no longer useful [url=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106866&postcount=1]physically infirm[/url] among us.[/QUOTE] You're probably being sarcastic TD... but I thought this part of Hugh Lincoln's dissertation was right on target: [QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]... We all act like little girls, cooing over the lame, the dumb, the unable, the unproductive, the hopeless. We make a fetish of the retarded. We lavish them with resources, medicines, attention, special education and so on. Meanwhile, we deny proper resources to the hale and hearty. We say crap like, "we shall be judged by the way we treat the least." I reject this with a bitch slap. ...[/QUOTE]
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