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Thread ID: 17417 | Posts: 4 | Started: 2005-03-20
2005-03-20 08:31 | User Profile
Some interesting claims being made here.
Last days of Hitler, the joking dictator
The Sunday Times, March 20, 2005 Peter Conradi and Justin Sparks in Berlin
THE bride wore a dark blue silk dress with a soft grey fur cape; the ashen-faced groom was dressed in the same crumpled jacket that he had been wearing for days, his Iron Cross First Class and other military decorations pinned to the lapel. The ceremony, held in a storeroom in a Berlin bunker as Soviet artillery rained down on the city, lasted only 10 minutes. When the couple emerged, Adolf Hitler kissed Eva Braunââ¬â¢s hand. There was speculation among aides that she was already carrying the Führerââ¬â¢s child. Within 24 hours the couple were dead ââ¬â Hitler from a single bullet to the temple, his wife from biting on a cyanide capsule. The eyewitness account of the dramatic events of April 1945 by Heinz Linge, the Nazi leaderââ¬â¢s butler, is among the more colourful revelations in a book published this weekend. Compiled by the KGB from the interrogations of Linge and Otto Günsche, Hitlerââ¬â¢s adjutant, after they were taken prisoner, the book was prepared for Joseph Stalin, the Soviet leader, who wanted a psychological profile of his defeated enemy. Sealed for more than six decades in Russian archives, it has been brought to light and published by Henrik Eberle and Matthias Uhl, German historians. The account ââ¬â known simply as The Hitler Book ââ¬â describes at close hand the Nazi leaderââ¬â¢s career, from his appointment as chancellor in 1933 and subsequent outrages, through the second world war to the final days in the bunker. The portrait that emerges is far more complex than the conventional one-dimensional depiction of a monster. Hitler, it seems, personally ordered those who crossed him, even over minor matters, to be sent to concentration camps but also had a wicked sense of humour, frequently mocking the pomposity of Hermann Goering, his number two. ... The book also reveals Hitlerââ¬â¢s personal interest in the workings of the concentration and extermination camps. Linge and Günsche claimed that he had pored over the first blueprints of gas chambers and ordered more funding for the project. ... The book does not address directly the question of whether Braun was pregant. But in its conclusion the historians claim that Hitlerââ¬â¢s pilot, Hans Baur, who was captured with the others, confided to a cellmate who was spying for the Russians that she had been carrying a child. ... [url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1533442_1,00.html[/url]
2005-03-28 16:16 | User Profile
[url]http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Stalin_Buch/Guensche_on_gasvans.html[/url]
Irving comments::
EACH time I read that fresh "concrete evidence" of Adolf Hitler's involvement in the massacre of the Jews has been found, I wait for the inevitable follow up: such evidence has "not been found before." -- It comes along as sure as night follows day. Each fresh "concrete discovery" thus discredits and invalidates the previous one, and this one too will eventually be discredited, -- not least because we are not shown the original German text of the statements by Günsche and Linge. But it all goes down very well with the corrupt media world, with you-know-whom, and with the present German regime. No real risk is incurred by any modern German historian in saying these things. And so they get said. Ad nauseam. Ad infinitum. And we get no wiser. When I first received -- from my friend Lev Bezymenski in Moscow -- parts of the Russian text of this Stalin Hitler-book I put them in writing (translated back into German) to both Linge and Günsche; I also interviewed Günsche closely on Hitler's knowledge of the massacres. His statements to me were negative -- Hitler had known nothing, had not been involved, there had never been any discussion of this sort of thing at Hitler's headquarters. But then of course I did not beat and torture him, I merely questioned him as any real historian should. I am surprised and sorry that Matthias Uhl, who is a conformist historian at the Institut für Zeitgeschichte, does not concede, however grudgingly, that I first used this Russian manuscript in the 1960s. My correspondence with Günsche and Linge about its content is in the Sammlung Irving in the IfZ archives. Surely he looked?
2005-03-29 00:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE]EACH time I read that fresh "concrete evidence" of Adolf Hitler's involvement in the massacre of the Jews has been found, I wait for the inevitable follow up: such evidence has "not been found before." -- It comes along as sure as night follows day....[/QUOTE] Hard to argue with that logic.
2005-03-29 03:44 | User Profile
even if it were true, would you be willing to say it took 60 years to figure out a paper trail to a well identified man, of the most famous 'genocide' ever?