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Thread ID: 17372 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-03-17
2005-03-17 23:16 | User Profile
Problems with Concealed Carry Permits
You can not go into restaurants, bars, or anywhere that serves liquor.
You can not go into Public places with "no guns" signs, Libraries, Schools, or Government Buildings.
Even leaving your gun in car does not seem to make you safe.
Any thoughts?
2005-03-18 04:05 | User Profile
I think you can carry in restaurants. One good thing about the CHL is less problems having a loaded handgun in your car within reach. That alone eliminates the most probable firearms criminal charge. It is a constant hassle keeping up with all the regulations, especially if traveling through other states. You have to dot your I's and cross your tees.The main reason I got mine several years ago was to be able to buy guns from dealers at gun shows without hassles.
2005-03-18 04:23 | User Profile
travis
In my state you can not carry into any place that sells liquor in a glass including restaurants. Markets that sell it sealed in bottles are ok to carry in.
2005-03-18 06:51 | User Profile
Last I heard in Connecticut it is legal to conceal carry in restaurant and bars as long as a permit is on the person. I recall sometime ago some moron actually dropped a pistol and it went off accidently. That is another reason to stick with revolvers. Apparently it is up to the establishment and the government building as far as limitations.
The extremely high murder rate in Philadelphia is prompting the non-White government officials to consider stopping the issuing of conceal carry permits. The idiocy with that is that law abiding citizens will be less likely to carry since the non-White gangs that plague cities in America will continue to illegally obtain their weapons.
The other issue is non-uniformity regarding other states recognizing the conceal carry permit of the home state.
2005-03-18 12:40 | User Profile
Here's a site with much information on concealed carry laws:
[url]http://www.packing.org/states.jsp[/url]
2005-03-19 02:04 | User Profile
travis
Yes a good site, it was in part looking at it that made me start this thread.
[QUOTE]Here's a site with much information on concealed carry laws:
[url]http://www.packing.org/states.jsp[/url][/QUOTE]
2005-03-19 05:38 | User Profile
In Arkansas the CCW laws are complex. You can't carry in a regular bar, but you can if it is a bar-resturant that gets 65% of its income from food. A little anal if you ask me!
2005-03-19 13:05 | User Profile
With my concealed carry, which I've had for over 10 years, I pack pretty much anywhere I want within the limits of my permit.
As far as going into bars carrying concealed, for me it's a no-brainer! I quit drinking over 25 years ago and no longer have a desire to frequent the old watering holes. :dry:
2005-03-20 01:37 | User Profile
CornCod,
You can not even carry a gun into a Dennys in my state.
The firearms in Cars rules do not make much sense: [QUOTE]It is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed within the immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation. This does not apply to firearms carried in a case, holster or scabbard in a means of transportation or a storage compartment, trunk, pack, luggage, or glove compartment of a means of transportation.[/QUOTE]
So a gun on the floor or on the seat next to you under a newspaper is "unlawful," but one in the glove compartment is ok? Seems a bit odd?
NRA Gun Laws by state [url]http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx#[/url]
2005-03-21 01:13 | User Profile
I do wonder if I would have to leave the gun in the glove box most of the with CCW Permit. Is it worth having. I might as not do it and just car carry I can do that without a permit. A good number of people have been doing Brief case carry in my state too.
2005-03-21 17:33 | User Profile
Faust,
As the weather warms up here in Pennsylvania and I crank up my walking program a couple notches, I keep my licensed handgun in a camo fannypack. This works well for me. Doesn't look sissyish and I don't feel like a :nerd:.
2005-08-29 02:19 | User Profile
I accidently started another thread for this so I am attempting to combine the two:
[url="http://www.gunlaws.com/tgogup3.htm"]http://www.gunlaws.com/tgogup3.htm[/url] "Traveling" defined at last, almost, after more than 125 years HB 823 -- Amends Penal Code 2.05, 46.15
Analysts at the NRA, along with the Texas State Rifle Associationââ¬â¢s Legislative Committee describe these two new amendments this way:
ââ¬ÅTexas H.B. 823 prevents the police from routinely arresting a law-abiding person who is transporting a concealed pistol in his motor vehicle. This is accomplished by clothing a law-abiding person with the presumption of being a traveler. The traveler presumption may be rebutted by the state by presenting proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In plain terms, a law-abiding person should have no problem transporting his pistol in a motor vehicle provided the pistol is concealed.ââ¬Â
Texas Attorney Sean Healy has an eight-page paper
attempting to describe the new situation, read it [url="http://www.gunlaws.com/Texas-healy-traveling.htm"]here[/url].
NRA short version (6/05):
ââ¬ÅLegalizes the carrying of concealed handguns in private vehicles without a CHL.ââ¬Â
2005-08-29 13:27 | User Profile
BlueBonnet,
Well, I am not sure I would call it the same subject. I post a link because I thought you might be interested. I started this thread by saying I was not sure if Concealed Carry Permits wrere worth the trouble.I did later on go in this thread in a post go into carry firearms in vehicles.
Any thoughts on this thread?
I find the law in my state rather odd: [QUOTE]It is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed within the immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation. This does not apply to firearms carried in a case, holster or scabbard in a means of transportation or a storage compartment, trunk, pack, luggage, or glove compartment of a means of transportation.[/QUOTE]
2005-08-29 22:49 | User Profile
hello,
Limitations vary from state to state. Utah, for example allows you to go to a bar or restaurant and actually have a drink while packing, provided you do not become intoxicated. Most state government buildings there are open to carry. Open carry is not very good, you can't have a chambered round, however. All in all I will keep renewing mine as it provides more options than not. Also, with reciprocity and the honoring of other state's permits increasing, it allows for increased personal defense options if you travel outside your home state.
2005-08-30 02:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]BlueBonnet,
Well, I am not sure I would call it the same subject. I post a link because I thought you might be interested. I started this thread by saying I was not sure if Concealed Carry Permits wrere worth the trouble.I did later on go in this thread in a post go into carry firearms in vehicles.
Any thoughts on this thread?
I find the law in my state rather odd:[/QUOTE] I'm used to being on threads where you have to post on a thread that's already been started,even if it's not exactly the same subject, old habits I guess. Personally, I agree with you that concealed carry permits are just a waste of time, they are another way to tax the masses. Criminals will always have concealed weapons, what's the point in forcing law abiding citizens into having a permit? Other than the government having a list of names to go to first.... The thing about the travel clause being clarified in Texas is kind of a big deal for us because it is always dependent upon the discresion of the local authority of the county you are travelling in. Basically, instead of being presumed innocent if you were stopped with a weapon in your vehicle (which traditionally it has been a common understanding in Texas that if you go across three counties and cary over 100 dollars on you you can carry a concealed weapon), it gave the local authorities to throw you in jail just because you had a gun. Never mind the second amendment. So at least it's now been defined for the whole state.
2005-08-30 22:11 | User Profile
BlueBonnet,
You can carry a gun in the glove compartment without concealed carry permit in my state. And that is where it would live if you went by the terms of permit most of the time. My thought is if I had a concealed carry permit, I could not carry a gun into any government building, shopping malls, restauransts, and most stores so what good is it? Most every public building has a no guns sign on the front door.
2005-08-31 02:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust] Most every public building has a no guns sign on the front door.[/QUOTE] Well if they are not printed in Spanish then I guess we can ignore them. :whstl: