← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · Jaybird
Thread ID: 17355 | Posts: 158 | Started: 2005-03-17
2005-03-17 04:17 | User Profile
Well, is it?
2005-03-17 04:20 | User Profile
What am I, Karnak? Who knows? Maybe Fade got mad and took it down again.
2005-03-17 04:20 | User Profile
I don't know what the hell this is, but it sure is aesthetic. I could stare at it all night.
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--- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-15 06:44* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=madrussian]Someone stole Fake's yahoo password again? :nerd:[/QUOTE]And presumably, Fade hasn't been able to recover his old domain ([url]www.thephora.org[/url]) (after [B]6 months[/B]). Domains are legally registered property you know. What kind of fools do you think he can play you for? :rolleyes:Personally, I may have been born in the dark myself, but it wasn't last night. --- ### starr *2005-06-15 06:49* | [User Profile](/od/user/1352) Intrepid are you still banned from VNNf and for how long? --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-15 07:56* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) Personally I vote for an old fashioned hacking. Why would Fade take himself down just to go through the pains of reinstalling the back ups he has made regularly? --- ### Petr *2005-06-15 08:28* | [User Profile](/od/user/1012) I also cannot honestly figure out any sensible motive for Fade to do something like that. Perhaps he is just a bit too technologically inept to stop these kind of jerks from pestering him. Petr --- ### Gabrielle *2005-06-15 11:00* | [User Profile](/od/user/547) Fade is a duck.:rolleyes: --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-15 11:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) It only bugs me to see how its always the Phora that gets hacked in this fashion. What sort of security systems do you have that prevent this? Last time I believe it was Fadeôs Yahoo account that got hacked and through it "they" got access to passwords he had stored there. --- ### Petr *2005-06-15 12:13* | [User Profile](/od/user/1012) Apparently it is this "DesaixDeVeygoux" fellow, who promised that he would attack Phora again once its archives had gotten big enough. What an utter little piss-ant. Petr --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-15 13:55* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) To no avail, since we do have regular back ups to prevent just this loss of data from Hacker visits. --- ### 2600 *2005-06-15 14:10* | [User Profile](/od/user/346) Was the Phora vBulletin 3.5 Beta 1 or the 3.0.6 [or older]? --- ### JimX *2005-06-15 16:00* | [User Profile](/od/user/959) Can anyone PROVE that this hack wasn't perpetrated by The Federal Government? Could it be that this attack is the precursor of a national or even international attack on message boards that The Federal Government has deemed "subversive?" This is all speculation of course, but isn't it interesting that there has not been a word about this in the controlled news media. Not even FOX News has picked up on this. HMMMMMMMM... --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-15 16:49* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) Jim, you need a refill for your medication. ;) --- ### BrianTheDog *2005-06-15 17:01* | [User Profile](/od/user/1579) Guys, stay away from webmail services (yahoo, hotmail etc.) - at least for sensitive purposes like this Not only are they easier to hack than old fashioned POP3 servers, but these services have so many users that hackers can be near-certain they will never be tracked and identified This is [I]especially[/I] true if you're using a free non-premium account --- ### Keystone *2005-06-15 17:21* | [User Profile](/od/user/1384) [QUOTE=BrianTheDog]Guys, stay away from webmail services (yahoo, hotmail etc.) - at least for sensitive purposes like this[/QUOTE] The sheer amount of Stuff Fade probably has logged on the internet is a good reason to stop using these free webmailers. It's wide open spaces for jackasses to exploit, especially when you host a non-PC forum. [QUOTE]Not only are they easier to hack than old fashioned POP3 servers, but these services have so many users that hackers can be near-certain they will never be tracked and identified[/QUOTE] I've used only one private email address at a time for the past 11 years. Just old fashioned caution, I suppose. --- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-15 18:03* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Petr]I also cannot honestly figure out any sensible motive for Fade to do something like that. [/QUOTE]Maybe - "like I have other things to do with my life eventually, which aren't consistent with working full time on a message boards with crackpots, especially since I'm not personally a person of deep conviction myself"> Perhaps he is just a bit too technologically inept to stop these kind of jerks from pestering him.Petr[/QUOTE]Would you be interested in making an offer to Fade for the Brooklyn Bridge Petr? Fade told me that he'd been having technical trouble with that too, but was sure he'd be able to find a buyer. :clown: --- ### Petr *2005-06-15 18:38* | [User Profile](/od/user/1012) [COLOR=Purple][I][B] - "Maybe - "like I have other things to do with my life eventually, which aren't consistent with working full time on a message boards with crackpots, especially since I'm not personally a person of deep conviction myself""[/B][/I][/COLOR] But since he always restores Phora and keeps on participating, I do not find this he's-just-looking-for-an-excuse-to-quit explanation credible. Petr --- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-15 19:31* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Purple][I][B] - "Maybe - "like I have other things to do with my life eventually, which aren't consistent with working full time on a message boards with crackpots, especially since I'm not personally a person of deep conviction myself""[/B][/I][/COLOR] But since he always restores Phora and keeps on participating, I do not find this he's-just-looking-for-an-excuse-to-quit explanation credible. Petr[/QUOTE]Uh right. You're like the woman whose husband always beats her when he's drink. "But he always says he's sorry" Ever think he could be creating a phony paper (or electronic) trail to help him cover his tracks, so when the Phora finally crashes for good, he can just say "gosh, shucks folks, I gave it my best try". Of course he could just pull the plug outright like he basically did once, but he lost his nerve and came back. I think he wants to get out, destroy the forum records (so no one can use them against him) but if he does it outright, there are people that he doesn't really want to make too mad now. I think it might be interesting if we got some technical expert to mediate in these supposed "technical problems" and see what we need to do to "fix" them. I suspect though the only real problem that would be identified is with the forum administrator. --- ### LethalNjection *2005-06-16 02:24* | [User Profile](/od/user/1580) These conspiracy theories only get more and more absurd each time something like this happens. Here are the facts. 1.) The Phora was hacked last night. 2.) I don't currently have access to the Cpanel. 3.) I am already in contact with the host. The host has at least three different recent backups. Loki has another that he made two or three weeks ago. 4.) The host will soon reset the CPanel password and reinstall the backup. This worked smoothly back in February. If that backup doesn't work, then Loki will install his. 5.) Chances are we will be back up and running within the next few days. Earth to Okierredust: If I wanted to "destroy" The Phora, then I could have done away with it months if not years ago. --- ### LethalNjection *2005-06-16 02:27* | [User Profile](/od/user/1580) [QUOTE=Petr]But since he always restores Phora and keeps on participating, I do not find this he's-just-looking-for-an-excuse-to-quit explanation credible. Petr[/QUOTE]Petr is a logical thinker. --- ### LethalNjection *2005-06-16 02:29* | [User Profile](/od/user/1580) [QUOTE=Ebusitanus]Personally I vote for an old fashioned hacking. Why would Fade take himself down just to go through the pains of reinstalling the back ups he has made regularly?[/QUOTE]Because Fade, the Antichrist, is CONSPIRING against all of you! And you are going to burn in Hell after the Soviet Union comes back and stops pretending to be Russia. Repent! The end is nigh. // Okierredust --- ### LethalNjection *2005-06-16 02:31* | [User Profile](/od/user/1580) [QUOTE=Ebusitanus]It only bugs me to see how its always the Phora that gets hacked in this fashion. What sort of security systems do you have that prevent this? Last time I believe it was Fadeôs Yahoo account that got hacked and through it "they" got access to passwords he had stored there.[/QUOTE]It is not just The Phora. Every so often someone discovers some new security flaw in vBulletin and they put out a new version of it. Hackers who browse the vB forum take note of this and go around attacking boards that haven't converted over. Loki says there is a new version of vB out. We just have to upgrade to it. --- ### LethalNjection *2005-06-16 02:38* | [User Profile](/od/user/1580) Update: The host just responded to my email. I now have access to the Cpanel. Host is installing backup as I post this message. > Hi, I am currently restoring the backup. You have a large database, so it may take a while. Your password is now: ********* Unfortunately, I cannot handle any billing questions, please create another ticket to cancel your other account. Sorry about that! Have a nice day --- ### 88mmFlaK *2005-06-16 03:42* | [User Profile](/od/user/1363) w00t:clown: --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-16 14:14* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) Wunderbar! --- ### Keystone *2005-06-20 21:32* | [User Profile](/od/user/1384) The Phora has been hacked again: [url="http://www.phora.org/"]http://www.phora.org/[/url] I'm done. Where are the adults? --- ### 88mmFlaK *2005-06-20 21:55* | [User Profile](/od/user/1363) Amazing. --- ### Keystone *2005-06-20 22:53* | [User Profile](/od/user/1384) It's either FadetheButcher himself or his jealous internet "girlfriend" whom he made an admin. The last two hacks have teenage romantic angst written all over them. Any road, I'm done wasting keystrokes and time there. --- ### albion *2005-06-20 23:45* | [User Profile](/od/user/1350) I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, Take a bow for the new revolution; Smile and grin at the change all around, Pick up my guitar and play... Just like yesterday... Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again... Don't get hacked again! No, no! :wallbash: --- ### Texas Dissident *2005-06-20 23:53* | [User Profile](/od/user/1) For those Phora regulars looking-in here and/or possibly joining in, let me first say welcome to the Ponce show. :shocking: I've avoided weighing in on the saga that is phora.org, although Okie has offered his opinions above. Really just want to state that after the last outtage/takedown/whatever, all Fade had to do was 1) change his password at the domain registrar, 2) go to his hosting company admin and change his hosting account password and mysql database password, and 3) change his password for his user account on the board. If he would have done that and kept it confidential, I cannot see how anyone could have taken down/hacked the board so quickly after it was restored from the last time unless his hosting company is betraying him and I believe that may be illegal. So I leave any conclusions to be made by those who participated there, but I think one major lesson that can be learned is never, ever share any critical information with anyone over the internet if you want to operate a serious discussion board for any considerable length of time. As much as we might hold concepts like democracy and free access as noble ideals, it just doesn't work in the administration of a political discussion board, in my opinion. As distasteful as it might be to some, a dictatorship seems to be the only practical method of administration and hopefully it is a benevolent one. The phora members are more than welcome to sign-up and participate here, although I should state upfront that we generally frown on excessive profanity, scatological/sexual content and obvious trolling. Outside of that I think we're pretty open here. In fact, I think OD is as free and open of a discussion board as it has ever been in its entire four year existence. --- ### Aulë *2005-06-21 00:12* | [User Profile](/od/user/1578) TNP lost a few days of posts from it's database. [url="http://www.nordish.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9216"]http://www.nordish.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9216[/url] --- ### Ponce *2005-06-21 00:22* | [User Profile](/od/user/901) Hahahahahah Tex, love too man.......may the blessing of Jesus fall on your shoulders like drops of rain on a sunny day. Now then, you wrote the following: [B]Dictatorship seems to be the only practical method of administration and hopefully it is a benevolent one.[/B] So then, how can this be a free open site for all and at the same time you write the above. Sadam was also a "benevolent dictator" administrator and look where he is now. :hitler: You cannot have it both way, either you have rules to "guide" us and that's it or you do as you wish and kick out those who either disagree with you or that you don't like. :twisted: I guess that I am lucky that you like me, oh oh,am I rite or wrong? --- ### Ponce *2005-06-21 00:25* | [User Profile](/od/user/901) Hahahahahah Tex, love too man.......may the blessing of Jesus fall on your shoulders like drops of rain on a sunny day. Now then, you wrote the following: [B]Dictatorship seems to be the only practical method of administration and hopefully it is a benevolent one.[/B] So then, how can this be a free open site for all and at the same time you write the above? . Sadam was also a "benevolent dictator" administrator and look where he is now. :hitler: You cannot have it both way, either you have rules to "guide" us and that's it or you do as you wish and kick out those who either disagree with you or that you don't like. :twisted: I guess that I am lucky that you like me, oh oh,am I rite or wrong? I'll quit this board when they take my keyboard out of my dead cold hands.....or Tex kicks me out .....lol. --- ### Phantasm *2005-06-21 01:21* | [User Profile](/od/user/1370) [QUOTE=Texas Dissident]... So I leave any conclusions to be made by those who participated there, but I think one major lesson that can be learned is never, ever share any critical information with anyone over the internet if you want to operate a serious discussion board for any considerable length of time. ...[/QUOTE] Absolutely! I would hazard a guess that Raina the scat queen got together with Carrigan and taught that politically incorrect Fade a lesson he won't soon forget. Hell has no fury like a woman scorned... much less two women scorned. I guess the novelty has worn off huh? Really Fade... Carrigan and your other "partners" should not have administrative access. :tongue: --- ### madrussian *2005-06-21 01:25* | [User Profile](/od/user/15) At best, he's an idiot who can't learn from his mistakes. He should outsource running his website as he hasn't been brought up being able to do an honest day of work. --- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-21 02:37* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Texas Dissident]I've avoided weighing in on the saga that is phora.org, although Okie has offered his opinions above. Really just want to state that after the last outtage/takedown/whatever, all Fade had to do was 1) change his password at the domain registrar, 2) go to his hosting company admin and change his hosting account password and mysql database password, and 3) change his password for his user account on the board. If he would have done that and kept it confidential, I cannot see how anyone could have taken down/hacked the board so quickly after it was restored from the last time unless his hosting company is betraying him and I believe that may be illegal. So I leave any conclusions to be made by those who participated there, but I think one major lesson that can be learned is never, ever share any critical information with anyone over the internet if you want to operate a serious discussion board for any considerable length of time. Tex, I won't go into anymore details, but I do have a little anecdote that might be of merit here. How do we tell if a forum is likely to get hacked? What precautions do you think, if a security inspector was going to inspect your setup, might tell you if your forum was vulnerable to hacking and crashing, in such a way that its very existence might be in question? There's a parallel question I learned in school. What do fire inspectors from the insurance company look for in a business to tell if its a good fire risk? You might think they check fire extinguishers, good storage practices of combustables etc. Well actually they don't. They check the financial records of a company. Turns out if a business is profitable and well managed, the owner usually takes good care to see that it stays up and running. If a business is poorly run and/or losing money though, quite often they don't care if it burns down or not. I suspect the same thing applies to forums. If people want to stay in the forum business, they'll take good precautions to preserve their work and records. If people would rather at times get rid of the whole thing, (re: some certain comments that are on record in the past, no matter the present disavowals) somehow I suspect technical troubles are a lot more likely. --- ### G.Larson *2005-06-21 03:59* | [User Profile](/od/user/1360) So is cunter down for the count? I blame keystone. --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 04:09* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) At risk of sounding like a silly paranoiac, I've considered the possibility that "FadetheButcher" does not even exist...rather, "he" is a couple of bored philosophy majors lounging around a dorm room relishing in their opportunity to "study the racists" who populate the internet or he is some ADL-type Chosenite who has convinced himself that he is fighting "nazi evil" by keeping tabs on radical rightist elements... Realistically, nobody (not even a young kid with odd predilections) goes from being a self-styled National Socialist ideologue to promoting New Deal American socialism in a matter of weeks...things to consider. --- ### G.Larson *2005-06-21 04:16* | [User Profile](/od/user/1360) Realistically some people do. [QUOTE=Thomas777]At risk of sounding like a silly paranoiac, I've considered the possibility that "FadetheButcher" does not even exist...rather, "he" is a couple of bored philosophy majors lounging around a dorm room relishing in their opportunity to "study the racists" who populate the internet or he is some ADL-type Chosenite who has convinced himself that he is fighting "nazi evil" by keeping tabs on radical rightist elements... Realistically, nobody (not even a young kid with odd predilections) goes from being a self-styled National Socialist ideologue to promoting New Deal American socialism in a matter of weeks...things to consider.[/QUOTE] --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 04:21* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE=G.Larson]Realistically some people do.[/QUOTE] People go from promoting Nazi ideology to holding themselves out as accolytes/ideological heirs to FDR in a matter of weeks? I don't think so. The "fadethebutcher" character was some multiculti philo-semite who was trying to "enlighten" all of us racialists by offering up his own "enlightenment" in the form of a staged anecdote with the subject being his (fade's) own ideological conversion. --- ### G.Larson *2005-06-21 04:37* | [User Profile](/od/user/1360) Yep they can. [QUOTE=Thomas777]People go from promoting Nazi ideology to holding themselves out as accolytes/ideological heirs to FDR in a matter of weeks?[/QUOTE] --- ### 2600 *2005-06-21 04:45* | [User Profile](/od/user/346) [QUOTE=Thomas777] The "fadethebutcher" character was some multiculti philo-semite who was trying to "enlighten" all of us racialists by offering up his own "enlightenment" in the form of a staged anecdote with the subject being his (fade's) own ideological conversion.[/QUOTE] Having talked to Fade, I doubt that very much. --- ### starr *2005-06-21 05:00* | [User Profile](/od/user/1352) [QUOTE] At risk of sounding like a silly paranoiac, I've considered the possibility that "FadetheButcher" does not even exist...rather, "he" is a couple of bored philosophy majors lounging around a dorm room relishing in their opportunity to "study the racists" who populate the internet or he is some ADL-type Chosenite who has convinced himself that he is fighting "nazi evil" by keeping tabs on radical rightist elements... [/QUOTE] Well, anything is possible I guess, but do you really believe this? LOL. --- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-21 05:37* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Purple][I][B] - "Maybe - "like I have other things to do with my life eventually, which aren't consistent with working full time on a message boards with crackpots, especially since I'm not personally a person of deep conviction myself""[/B][/I][/COLOR] But since he always restores Phora and keeps on participating, I do not find this he's-just-looking-for-an-excuse-to-quit explanation credible. Petr[/QUOTE] Do you find this credible? [QUOTE]Hello there,
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[/QUOTE] --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 05:39* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE=starr]Well, anything is possible I guess, but do you really believe this? LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't really know why you people don't find "fadethebutcher" to be as unbelievably strange as I do. I don't spend much time on the internet...but from what I have seen, fade began his internet "career" by railing against America and NeoConservatism, praising the Third Reich, and engaging in long, exceedingly boring dialogues with NPD types and national socialists about the merits of European fascism, biological racialism and the Jewish problem. Later he began endorsing PaleoConservatism...he then began endorsing NeoConservatism...then he began railing against "anti-Semitism"...then he began to pal around with Raina and started singing he praises of New Deal socialism. Fade is either a really unstable, profoundly weird ****...or he is some overpaid university type who thinks he is making inroads into solving the "riddle of racism". I don't know why you people: a) take "fadethebutcher" at all seriously; b) can't seem to grasp how strange the man's ideological shifts are; c) find it hard to believe that you have been duped by some ivory tower dwelling grad student with too much time on his hands. --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 05:41* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE=2600]Having talked to Fade, I doubt that very much.[/QUOTE] OK. So what is his motivation for changing his ideological hat every week? You should advise him that people who alternately tout Adolf Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt as Western Civilization's greatest leaders have serious credibility issues. --- ### starr *2005-06-21 05:51* | [User Profile](/od/user/1352) I don't know the guy personally, so I have no clue. But strange maybe, lots of people are strange. What I thought was funny was you suggesting that he(or "they" who make up the fade personality. LOL) have, in a way, some sort of sinister motive. If that were true, wouldn't it be more likely that he would pick one "ideology" and stick with it, so as not to appear "strange" --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 05:59* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE]But strange maybe, lots of people are strange.[/QUOTE]Sure...I'm the first to concede that...but lots of people are not inclined to spend literally dozens of hours on the internet advocating National Socialism only to spend dozens of hours on the internet attacking National Socialism a week or two later. Anybody who would do that is either batshit crazy or they are playing some stupid game that they fancy an intellectual exercise. [QUOTE] What I thought was funny was you suggesting that he(or "they" who make up the fade personality. LOL) have, in a way, some sort of sinister motive.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't use the word "sinister"...think about people like Raina...they are generally powerless, disaffected folks who think that they are on the "front lines" of the war against the "Nazis"...they get fixated on certain fringe elements that they come across online...I was suggesting that Fade may be one of these types. [QUOTE] If that were true, wouldn't it be more likely that he would pick one "ideology" and stick with it, so as not to appear "strange" [/QUOTE]No. He thought he was enlightening us by offering up the relative merits/demerits of every ideology under the sun...the moral that Fade was offering us was: "see, there is merit in all sorts of sociopolitical tendencies except for National Socialism/Biological racialism...its the only one that absolutely fails". --- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-21 06:06* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=LethalNjection][B]These conspiracy theories only get more and more absurd each time something like this happens. None of the conspiracy theories seem as absurb as this mysterious hacker who is out to get you. Only internet junkies with hyper-inflated senses of their own self importance (like Phoran's) would ever buy this. > [/B] Here are the facts. 1.) The Phora was hacked last night. 2.) I don't currently have access to the Cpanel. 3.) I am already in contact with the host. The host has at least three different recent backups. Loki has another that he made two or three weeks ago. 4.) The host will soon reset the CPanel password and reinstall the backup. This worked smoothly back in February. If that backup doesn't work, then Loki will install his. 5.) Chances are we will be back up and running within the next few days. Earth to Okierredust: If I wanted to "destroy" The Phora, then I could have done away with it months if not years ago.[/QUOTE]Well looks like you've done it now. And you certainly have been talking about it on and off over the last year haven't you? --- ### robinder *2005-06-21 06:16* | [User Profile](/od/user/1377) Fade changed his mind about National Socialism based on some of the books he was reading and I think also exaggerated anti-American and anti-British stances of the ideology's contemporary espousers, and was probably also influenced by the tendency of Europeans to declaim the United States and blame the latter as the sole source of European problems while never taking a critical view of the problems Europe has brought upon herself. He did so because he apparently disagreed with National Socialism, not because he wanted to annoy people or hurt the feelings of Nazis. His thoughts on the New Deal, should I presume to speak for Fade, had something to do with his opinions on big business and corporate power and related themes. I'm not endorsing his views, and there is very much about them with which I disagree, but it seems absurd to go about proposing theories more complicated than a simple change of mind in the continuing development of his worldview. --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 06:22* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE=robinder] I'm not endorsing his views, and there is very much about them with which I disagree, but it seems absurd to go about proposing theories more complicated than a simple change of mind in the continuing development of his worldview.[/QUOTE] No...it seems absurd to suggest that people become National Socialists by happenstance after reading a book or two and then reject the ideology and embrace egalitarian socialism after reading other books. I read Mein Kampf, "Imperium" and "Which Way Western Man" when I was in college and all of them had merit to varying degrees...but at no time was I inclined to set up a message board and spend 12 hours a day promoting National Socialism. --- ### robinder *2005-06-21 06:25* | [User Profile](/od/user/1377) [QUOTE=Thomas777]OK. So what is his motivation for changing his ideological hat every week? You should advise him that people who alternately tout Adolf Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt as Western Civilization's greatest leaders have serious credibility issues.[/QUOTE] You probably know that Mussolini was a respected socialist once. Lenin himself noted the loss of strength the communist movement in Italy suffered when it lost Mussolini to the other side. --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 06:31* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE=robinder]You probably know that Mussolini was a respected socialist once. Lenin himself noted the loss of strength the communist movement in Italy suffered when it lost Mussolini to the other side.[/QUOTE] Marxist-Leninism and National Socialism are mirror images...many Communists became National Socialists after coming to grips with what they considered to be the "racial crisis" and the Jewish question. National Socialism was, at base, a Socialist movement...It does not strain credibility to consider that many people who believed in authoritarian socialism would later embrace Fascist ideologies. It is also noteworthy that Moussilini never really accepted biological racialism as a tenet of Italian fascism. --- ### robinder *2005-06-21 06:32* | [User Profile](/od/user/1377) [QUOTE=Thomas777]No...it seems absurd to suggest that people become National Socialists by happenstance after reading a book or two and then reject the ideology and embrace egalitarian socialism after reading other books. I read Mein Kampf, "Imperium" and "Which Way Western Man" when I was in college and all of them had merit to varying degrees...but at no time was I inclined to set up a message board and spend 12 hours a day promoting National Socialism.[/QUOTE] I don't think Fade was ever a self-proclaimed National Socialist, and if I am incorrect, that is my own mistake. But anyhow, it isn't my intention to apologize for Fade and his ideas (he can do that himself, if he so chooses), just to note when they are mischaracterized. People do change their minds, perhaps the more one knows about any particular subject, the more likely it is their views on that subject will develop. Likewise, it is the greatest articulators of an opinion that inspire the best considered rebuttals. --- ### robinder *2005-06-21 06:39* | [User Profile](/od/user/1377) [QUOTE=Thomas777]Marxist-Leninism and National Socialism are mirror images...many Communists became National Socialists after coming to grips with what they considered to be the "racial crisis" and the Jewish question. National Socialism was, at base, a Socialist movement...It does not strain credibility to consider that many people who believed in authoritarian socialism would later embrace Fascist ideologies. It is also noteworthy that Moussilini never really accepted biological racialism as a tenet of Italian fascism.[/QUOTE] Then there are two reponses to this: First, if you are wrong, the political reality was that Fascism and Communism were competitors and opponents. If you are right, it is not a stretch to say that FDR was promoting a somewhat authoritarian, somewhat socialist program that promoted American interests and aggrandizement, whereas Hitler was pushing a program of authoritarian semi-socialism for German ends. So, it is not too much of a change, in some essentials. The Nazis, Communists and FDR were funded by some of the same bankers and industrialists. --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 06:40* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE=robinder]I don't think Fade was ever a self-proclaimed National Socialist, and if I am incorrect, that is my own mistake. But anyhow, it isn't my intention to apologize for Fade and his ideas, just to note when they are mischaracterized. People do change their minds, perhaps the more one knows about any particular subject, the more likely it is their views on that subject will develop. Likewise, it is the greatest articulators of an opinion that inspire the best considered rebuttals.[/QUOTE] I can accept that people change their minds. That said, National Socialism is a pretty radical tendency that requires its adherents essentially surrender to a dogmatic worldview...its some ways, National Socialism is almost more "religious" in nature (as is Marxism) than it is conventionally political. To me, National Socialism does not seem to be an ideology that college students flirt with occassionally and then ultimately reject. --- ### Thomas777 *2005-06-21 06:45* | [User Profile](/od/user/1356) [QUOTE]Then there are two reponses to this: First, if you are wrong, the political reality was that Fascism and Communism were competitors and opponents.[/QUOTE] They were rabid opponents for the very reason I enumerated: They were both variants of the same socialist gospel: National Socialism understands race as the primary movant of human populations and accompanying politics and social arrangements and commands that racially based socialism is necessary to solve modern dilemmas. Communism understands class as the primary movant of human populations and accompanying politics and social arrangements and commands that class based socialism is necessary to solve modern dilemmas. [QUOTE] If you are right, it is not a stretch to say that FDR was promoting a somewhat authoritarian, somewhat socialist program that promoted American interests and aggrandizement, whereas Hitler was pushing a program of authoritarian semi-socialism for German ends. [/QUOTE]FDR never suggested that capital needed to be nationalized and the enemies of the proletariat be massacred so that a new order could be created. --- ### Fenrir *2005-06-21 08:02* | [User Profile](/od/user/1592) Something I've noticed is that many young people(teens right on through 20-something) tend to radically shift their views to fit perfectly into the mold of whatever they've most recently become acclimated. Read Lyotard, become the most ardent supporter of everything he said. You can substitute nearly anyone or anything for Lyotard. It comes with experience that one's perspective becomes diffused and begins to incorporate different strains into the whole. The board hackings are Fade's fault, if not his doing. The board security needs tightening, when and if it returns. A good step would be not giving administrative status to his flings. Another would be not using a free email account to receive sensitive material. Whatever's going on, fade is responsible one way or another. This sort of stuff **never** happens elsewhere. --- ### il ragno *2005-06-21 08:29* | [User Profile](/od/user/85) Well, whatever the case may be....it just ain't *normal* for one board to crash this often. On the other hand, the Phora has a lot of college-age kids frequenting the place and nobody is as up-to-speed on cybermischief as our Best and Brightest so I guess it *could* be one determined, nihilistic slacker at work here. I recall back when Lindstedt was the Phora's free-range CI crazy, he used to refer to FTB constantly as "Fade/Cunter/Brad". The "Brad" used to always throw me - where the heck did he get "Brad" from? Now, apparently, the plot sickens... So here's an idea I'm tossing in the ring. I'd long thought these 'crashes' were an inside job....so who's to say that Fade and his board aren't being fu**ed with by one of his school chums? Who sez the hacker has to be a pissed-off regular, or one of these anti-racist pests who's been directed to the forum by a link of some kind? Why can't it be someone who knows him personally from Auburn and doesn't like him? These constant personal jabs posted w/ the hacks - Fade's a homo, Fade's a dateless wonder named "Brad Griffin", etc - sound like the kind of intramural guerrilla skirmish you'd encounter on a campus rather than out of a Pendaflex from an ARA file cabinet. Of course, further seasoning this dish is the fact that, on the Internet, everything and everyone can be a hoax. It doesn't require any special powers of camouflage to pretend to be someone/something you're not on a medium with such built-in anonymity. Particularly when curious political non-movements are being promoted. So, I suppose, if it can happen to *neo-guildism*, it could happen to *racial communitarianism*, too. But nobody gets hacked six times a year without *some*thing being up. --- ### Okiereddust *2005-06-21 09:28* | [User Profile](/od/user/29) [QUOTE=il ragno]So here's an idea I'm tossing in the ring. I'd long thought these 'crashes' were an inside job....so who's to say that Fade and his board aren't being fu**ed with by one of his school chums? Who sez the hacker has to be a pissed-off regular, or one of these anti-racist pests who's been directed to the forum by a link of some kind? Why can't it be someone who knows him personally from Auburn and doesn't like him? These constant personal jabs posted w/ the hacks - Fade's a homo, Fade's a dateless wonder named "Brad Griffin", etc - sound like the kind of intramural guerrilla skirmish you'd encounter on a campus rather than out of a Pendaflex from an ARA file cabinet. I've got it! Maybe "Fade" has multiple personality disorder, and these personalties are each fighting it out. The Rooseveltian Fade fighting against the NS fade. Woman's man Fade fighting against dateless wonder Brad. :lol: > But nobody gets hacked six times a year without *some*thing being up.[/QUOTE]Guess you're buying into the conspiracy theory too. Shouldn't we wait till Petr's logical mind weighs in? I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation. :yes: :yes: --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-21 16:29* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) Having been with the Phora for over three years I have never seen Fade claim to be a "Nazi". He has been more or less simpathetic towards certain aspects of the third reich like aesthetics or its autoritanism but never swallowed the whole deal, much less after the mockery that came about with the apparition of all these Nordicists and Medicists and what not. On the hacking issue Iôm at a loss myself yet it is clear that some gigantic security hole is somewhere. Getting hacked THIS often is just not normal even for a politically incorrect board like the Phora. Being an Admin myself over there makes this even harder to swallow. Just before it went crashing down I had been navigating the recent posts. I take a break with the new Silent Hunter III game and when finishing the phora was gone and that sick joke was posted. Of course that whole post is just BS as can be easily seen on the Yahoo link to that alleged Profile where someone had just photoshopped the "fade_the_butcher" on top. Besides Fade has not been in control of that Yahoo account since February at least. My real question goes rather around the idea of the possibility that we have been hacked for years by the same sick individual or by several different ones. Personally I find that the Admin team is solid in loyality and I would not expect sabotage from them. Other than that Iôm left playing around with possible conspiracy theories like the rest of you, possibiliy more since this is such an old habbit. --- ### Aznuife-ke *2005-06-21 18:56* | [User Profile](/od/user/1362) [QUOTE=Thomas777]I can accept that people change their minds. That said, National Socialism is a pretty radical tendency that requires its adherents essentially surrender to a dogmatic worldview...its some ways, National Socialism is almost more "religious" in nature (as is Marxism) than it is conventionally political. To me, National Socialism does not seem to be an ideology that college students flirt with occassionally and then ultimately reject.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. Young people are more likely to 'flirt' with 'extreme' ideologies like National Socialism than 'mainstream' ones. The rebellion appeal is strong: what kid *hasn't* at one time thought Hitler was 'cool'? As it stands today, National Socialism is more of an adolescent fantasy than an ideology. [QUOTE=LethalNjection]These conspiracy theories only get more and more absurd each time something like this happens. Here are the facts. 1.) The Phora was hacked last night. 2.) I don't currently have access to the Cpanel. 3.) I am already in contact with the host. The host has at least three different recent backups. Loki has another that he made two or three weeks ago. 4.) The host will soon reset the CPanel password and reinstall the backup. This worked smoothly back in February. If that backup doesn't work, then Loki will install his. 5.) Chances are we will be back up and running within the next few days. Earth to Okierredust: If I wanted to "destroy" The Phora, then I could have done away with it months if not years ago.[/QUOTE]Okiereddust lives in a magical world where YHVH sits on a cloud destroying pornographers with lightning bolts and Fade regularly destroys his own forum. [QUOTE=Keystone]It's either FadetheButcher himself or his jealous internet "girlfriend" whom he made an admin. The last two hacks have teenage romantic angst written all over them. Any road, I'm done wasting keystrokes and time there.[/QUOTE]This is absurd. And to think, I always said 'Keystone doesn't seem too bad' when Fade 'talked smack' about you. --- ### Texas Dissident *2005-06-21 19:29* | [User Profile](/od/user/1) [QUOTE=Ebusitanus]Apparently the server went down. This is from Fade.[/QUOTE] Then who put up the index page with the yahoo stuff? --- ### Keystone *2005-06-21 20:17* | [User Profile](/od/user/1384) [QUOTE=Aznuife-ke] This is absurd. And to think, I always said 'Keystone doesn't seem too bad' when Fade 'talked smack' about you.[/QUOTE] Thanks man! Whoever you are...:unsure: I can't keep up with all the different nicks. Fade would chide me about being a baseball fan. He thought it was pedestrian of me, and not very collegiate at all. --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-22 08:02* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) At Mootstormfront some ppl are saying they know who did it and that it seems more rather a political thing than personal problems. Well... @Texas: That quote is ages old :D --- ### Kevin_O'Keeffe *2005-06-22 08:37* | [User Profile](/od/user/929) [QUOTE=Thomas777]I don't really know why you people don't find "fadethebutcher" to be as unbelievably strange as I do. Yeah, Fade/Brad is an odd one. I've always rather tended to enjoy The Phora more in spite of his presence there, rather than because of it. --- ### Texas Dissident *2005-06-22 14:51* | [User Profile](/od/user/1) [QUOTE=Ebusitanus]@Texas: That quote is ages old :D[/QUOTE] What quote is that, E? Sorry, but I'm a little slow. --- ### madrussian *2005-06-22 14:55* | [User Profile](/od/user/15) "Server went down" has been a typical explanation from Fake over the years. Ebi was making fun of this. --- ### Ebusitanus *2005-06-22 15:52* | [User Profile](/od/user/681) Nah, the quote that Texas used from me was a bit dated and not the latest situation report. Seems many folks from the Phora have taken to this Mootfront thing...I would not get near that nest of Bolsheviks for the life of me. --- ### madrussian *2005-06-22 16:07* | [User Profile](/od/user/15) Situation report, hehe. The latest from Fake's front. --- ### albion *2005-06-22 18:50* | [User Profile](/od/user/1350) You can always go to Niccolo's **The Phora in Exile** board for kicks: :boxing: [url="http://com5.runboard.com/bthephorainexile.fgeneralchat"]http://com5.runboard.com/bthephorainexile.fgeneralchat[/url] --- ### 88mmFlaK *2005-06-22 19:50* | [User Profile](/od/user/1363) [QUOTE=Ebusitanus]Nah, the quote that Texas used from me was a bit dated and not the latest situation report. Seems many folks from the Phora have taken to this Mootfront thing...I would not get near that nest of Bolsheviks for the life of me.[/QUOTE] Why? Afraid of catching tuberculosis?:smartass: --- ### robinder *2005-06-22 22:12* | [User Profile](/od/user/1377) [QUOTE=Ebusitanus]Nah, the quote that Texas used from me was a bit dated and not the latest situation report. Seems many folks from the Phora have taken to this Mootfront thing...I would not get near that nest of Bolsheviks for the life of me.[/QUOTE] I have to wonder if phora regulars even deserve to have their board back, after going over *there *so quickly. Mootstormfront had very little traffic, and was practically a joke. Overnight. phora members made it into a partway viable forum. No excuse, there is nothing of substance over there, just a bunch of "anti-racist" cliches, you know the type, the sort of people who consider Republicans to be "Racists" or "Fascists", and as Ebus says, some outright Bolsheviks. Normally I can even associate fine with old style socialists who concern themselves with labor issues, and generally the same with people who have no clear stance on race. . But those who go out of their ways to root out and struggle against "racism", for me that is past the pale. Typical discourse at mootstromfront [QUOTE]
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