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Thread ID: 17244 | Posts: 16 | Started: 2005-03-11
2005-03-11 15:05 | User Profile
In 1937 when the National Socialist government opened the Bolshevik/Jewish 'Degenerate Art' exhibition in Munich, Germany, it displayed paintings by Beckkmann, Chagall, Kandinsky, Kokoschka, Nolde, Grosz, and other artists perverted by the Jewish spirit.
By the spring of 1938, the Nazis had cleansed German museums of over 16,000 pieces of artistic Jewish rubbish.
'In Jewish 'art' we have almost the sole example of how an ancient group which has lived in many great cultures, yet has been unable to overcome animal instinct.' ~Alfred Rosenberg
2005-03-11 22:21 | User Profile
vytis,
I do not understood why anyone ever liked this trash.
A link to good art!
ARC International - The Art Renewal Center [url]http://www.artrenewal.com/[/url]
2005-03-11 22:41 | User Profile
If anyone is interested, there's a book available that shows the degeneracy in all its glory -- [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0810936534/qid=1110580487/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-9385905-2280118]Degenerate Art[/URL] You can probably get it at your local library.
2005-03-12 11:57 | User Profile
Faust & Six thanks for the links. :thumbsup:
'A Christian ethic must never be blended with pacifism and never back off from exposing evil for fear of offending the Jew.' ~Stan Rittenhouse
Source: For Fear of the Jews, Stan Rittenhouse, 1982, Exhorters Inc.
2005-03-12 12:59 | User Profile
Curiously, one medium where classical artistic virtues such as realism, technical artistic skill, knowledge about the interplay of light amongst objects in a scene, and classical composition are still valued is computer-generated graphics.
Contrary to popular prejudice, computer generated imagery is capable of conveying the expressive subtlety of human emotions, especially in the hands of a gifted 3D modeller.
2005-03-12 15:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=RowdyRoddyPiper] Contrary to popular prejudice, computer generated imagery is capable of conveying the expressive subtlety of human emotions, especially in the hands of a gifted 3D modeller.[/QUOTE]
O.K. But I still prefer the dreamscape quality of Harryhausen and O'Brien's "manual" stop-motion work...
2005-03-12 15:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Six]If anyone is interested, there's a book available that shows the degeneracy in all its glory -- [URL=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0810936534/qid=1110580487/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-9385905-2280118]Degenerate Art[/URL] You can probably get it at your local library.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, have a copy here.
The Germans sold off the Entarte stuff in Paris and New York for big bucks--with which they bought Old Master paintings and Greco-Roman classical statuary for the state museums...
2005-03-12 17:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]O.K. But I still prefer the dreamscape quality of Harryhausen and O'Brien's "manual" stop-motion work...[/QUOTE]
As far as movies go, I'd have to agree with you. But I don't think that your average Hollywood blockbuster special effects extravaganza is really representative of the full potential of the CGI medium. Just look at the hatchet job that Hollywood does to other arts, such as acting.
Also, for anyone who says that modern art is all rubbish, H.R. Giger?
2005-03-12 20:36 | User Profile
While I agree that artists like Kandinsky, Kokoschka, etc. were basically frauds whose daubings our art museums would be better off without, the National Socialists also labelled what I consider to be quality avant-garde "degenerate art." If we followed NS aesthetic dictates, we wouldn't have surrealist paintings in our galleries, for example.
2005-03-12 20:43 | User Profile
While I generally agree that artists like Kandinsky, Kokoschka, etc. were basically frauds whose daubings our art museums would be better off without, the National Socialists also labelled what I consider to be quality avant-garde "degenerate art." If we followed NS aesthetic dictates, we wouldn't have surrealist paintings in our galleries, for example.
To dismiss all artistic innovation as "degenerate" is an extremely myopic view. The Romantic composers and painters admired by NS Germany were considered decadent, avant-garde, and degenerate by many critics in the 19th century circles, so to say that all stylistic change had to end in 1900 is arbitrary. Then as now, what must be done is to separate the passing fads and frauds propped up by coteries of sycophantic critics from those innovations that have true enduring value and technical merit.
2005-03-12 21:03 | User Profile
Yeah...what AY said. As usual, he's on the money.
While I recognize his draughtsmanship and godlike rendering, I have [I]always [/I] considered Giger degenerate art. It's anti-life; there is not the slightest sliver of humanity in it. A celebration of the inhuman, itz.
He has vision, and singularity, and incredble talent and ability. But I look at Giger's work and feel diminished and befouled. If that ain't the working definition of 'degenerate art', it oughta be.
2005-03-12 21:42 | User Profile
AntiYuppie,
Yes, I rather like many of De Chirico's and Salvador Dali's works. I donââ¬â¢t know about the Fascists being anti-avant-garde art a book I read on German Art 1936-1945 ended by saying that in part Art under the Third Rich was in good part judged by the Politics of the Artist and that number of style of from Classical, Realism, Poussinists, Art Nouveau, Futurists, and others were allowed to flourish. I thought Arno Brekerââ¬â¢s was in some ways more avant-garde than Classical. In the other Fascist States one sees the work of the Futurists who were mainly Fascist. Salvador Dali did not seem to mind living under Franco. And Julius Evola was a Dadaist painter in his younger years.
2005-03-13 10:17 | User Profile
Faust:
Agreed. I've always found De Chirico's early 'deserted town' canvases to be especially haunting.
[IMG]http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/692tn.jpg[/IMG]
2005-03-13 10:32 | User Profile
Here's some trivia: Goebbels liked modern art, until Hitler 'talked some sense' into him.
2005-03-13 15:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Here's some trivia: Goebbels liked modern art, until Hitler 'talked some sense' into him.
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Mussolini, the Perons and General Franco also enjoyed and supported much modern art.
There was a marked petit bourgeois tendency towards hyper-representational Kitsch among the Nazi bosses.
2005-03-13 21:59 | User Profile
Howard Campbell,
[QUOTE]Mussolini, the Perons and General Franco also enjoyed and supported much modern art. There was a marked petit bourgeois tendency towards hyper-representational Kitsch among the Nazi bosses. [/QUOTE]
True in good part. Some of the artist of NS Germany were good, some were not. But many of them also painted a good many Courbet like pictures of romanized peasants. Some of it looked rather work of the Soviet Realists. Yes, the avant-garde artist did better in Spain and Italy than Geramny.
Pictures Google soviet realism [url]http://images.google.com/images?q=soviet%20realism&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi[/url]
A site on art of the Third Reich [url]http://www.nazi-third-reich-art.com/[/url]