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Thread ID: 17141 | Posts: 24 | Started: 2005-03-06
2005-03-06 16:26 | User Profile
BAKERSFIELD ââ¬â A couple's visit to the chimpanzee they were forced to relinquish to an animal sanctuary turned tragic when two other chimps attacked the husband, critically wounded him before the animals were shot to death in mid-assault.
The son-in-law of the sanctuary's owner killed the animals that left St. James Davis, 62, in critical condition with massive injuries to his face, body and limbs, said Steve Martarano, a spokesman for the California Department of Fish and Game.
"He saw what was happening and had one kind of weapon with him and then got another he felt would be more substantial and shot them," Martarano said. "He pretty much saved a life."
Davis' wife, LaDonna Davis, 64, suffered a bite wound to the hand while attempting to help her husband, Martarano said.
The Davises were at the Animal Haven Ranch to celebrate the birthday of Moe, a 39-year-old chimpanzee who was taken from their suburban Los Angeles home in 1999 after biting off part of a woman's finger.
The couple had brought Moe a cake and were standing outside his cage when Buddy and Ollie, two of the four chimpanzees in the adjoining cage, attacked St. James Davis, Martarano said. Officials do not yet know how the chimps got out of their enclosure, he said.
Moe was not involved in Thursday's attack, Martarano said.
**Dr. Maureen Martin, of Kern Medical Center, told KGET-TV of Bakersfield that the monkeys chewed most of Davis' face off and that he would require extensive surgery in an attempt to reattach his nose. **
Davis was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center, where he was undergoing surgery late Thursday night, according to Martarano.
Kern County Sheriff's Cmdr. Hal Chealander told The Bakersfield Californian that** besides the damage to his face, Davis had his testicles and foot mauled off. Buddy, a 16-year-old male chimp, initiated the attack and after he was shot, Ollie, a 13-year-old male, grabbed the gravely injured man and dragged him down the road, according to Chealander. **
"Everybody was trying to get the chimp off," Chealander said.
Two other chimps, females named Susie and Bones, also escaped from the cage they shared with Ollie and Buddy, prompting sheriff's deputies, animal control workers, and Fish and Game officials to launch a search.
The wayward pair were eventually recovered peacefully by Animal Haven owner Virginia Brauer after five hours. Martarano said one chimp was two miles from the sanctuary.
The Davises had waged an unsuccessful legal fight to bring Moe back to their West Covina home and visited him regularly at the sanctuary where he had been living since October. They brought the chimp from Africa decades ago after a poacher killed his mother.
Animal Haven Ranch has held state permits to shelter animals since 1985 and serves as a sanctuary for animals that have been confiscated or discovered lost, Martarano said.
It is allowed to house up to nine primates at one time and is home to one spider monkey and six chimpanzees, he said. The permits are held by Ralph and Virginia Brauer, who could not be reached immediately for comment.
Neighbors described them as devoted and responsible animal lovers.
"Nobody ever complains about these people," neighbor Debbie Hay told The Bakersfield Californian. "I think they tried to do a good thing."
Jeanne Miller, a family friend, said the Brauers cared for animals with their own money and the help of friends who brought fruit to help feed them.
"She's devoted her whole life to taking care of these chimpanzees," Miller said of Virginia Brauer.
Chimpanzees can turn surly if not handled properly, said Martine Colette, animal director of the Wildlife WayStation, a sanctuary near Los Angeles where Moe was housed for a time.
"Chimps are notoriously strong and they have some very, very specific behaviors," Colette said. "If someone tries to confine them, they will definitely put up a fight."
"An average person who doesn't know chimp body language can't read them," she added. "
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People are so stupid when it comes animals lately.
2005-03-06 23:22 | User Profile
I thought this was going to be an article about the Carr brothers.
2005-03-06 23:25 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I thought this was going to be an article about the Carr brothers.[/QUOTE] Not much difference, anyway.
2005-03-06 23:31 | User Profile
The Palestinians, Iraqis and those to come in the future will fight when they are caged, do you blame them?......not me.
2005-03-06 23:36 | User Profile
Poncho, what's up with your single-minded focus on Arabs vs. "Zionists"?
2005-03-07 16:15 | User Profile
Chimps (and monkeys, for that matter) are often portrayed as cute and cuddly, but they are incredibly strong and can be extremely vicious. A normal female chimp would have no problem killing the largest, strongest man you could find. These are wild animals.
2005-03-08 13:47 | User Profile
**This animal worshipping has to stop! **
**"When we made eye contact, the charge was on," LaDonna Davis said. "There was no stopping anything, and the big chimp came around from behind me and pushed me into my husband. The male came around from behind and chomped off my thumb. ... My husband must have realized we were in deep trouble because he pushed me backward. At that time, they both went for him." **
**St. James Davis, 62, lost all the fingers from both hands, an eye, part of his nose, cheek, lips and part of his buttocks in the ferocious attack, his wife said over the weekend on NBC's "Today Show." She also said one of his feet was mutilated. A Kern County Sheriff's commander also said his genitals were mauled. **
The Davises were visiting the sanctuary to celebrate the birthday of Moe ââ¬â a 39-year-old chimpanzee **who was taken from their home in West Covina, a Los Angeles suburb, after biting off part of a woman's finger in 1999. **
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That stupid chimp should have been killed in 1999!
2005-03-08 14:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=madrussian]Poncho, what's up with your single-minded focus on Arabs vs. "Zionists"?[/QUOTE]
Are you talking to me?
2005-03-08 14:42 | User Profile
here little monkey...ive got some copper coated lead for ya
2005-03-08 14:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle] That stupid chimp should have been killed in 1999![/QUOTE] Chimps are wild animals, and the chimp was just following its nature. The couple should have never had it as a pet in the first place. After it bit off a woman's finger, it should have been put in a wild animal sanctuary, which it was. I fail to see why a wild animal should be killed for acting like a wild animal when there are other options available.
2005-03-08 18:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE]St. James Davis, 62, lost all the fingers from both hands, an eye, part of his nose, cheek, lips and part of his buttocks in the ferocious attack, his wife said over the weekend on NBC's "Today Show." She also said one of his feet was mutilated. A Kern County Sheriff's commander also said his genitals were mauled. [/QUOTE]
You know, this story IS amazing in a ghoulish way. I mean, holy shit - two chimps did [I]all that damage [/I] in a minute or so? They must have bitten off his fingers with lightning speed...chimp fu!
Can you imagine how "happy" this guy's gonna be that they saved him "in time"? Stump hands, balls clawed off, club foot, half a face, nose stapled on beneath his one remaining eye...yeah, he's gonna be lovin' life allright. Siegfried's probably thankful Roy only got mauled by a Bengal tiger after reading [I]this [/I] story!
2005-03-08 19:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Chimps are wild animals, and the chimp was just following its nature. The couple should have never had it as a pet in the first place. After it bit off a woman's finger, it should have been put in a wild animal sanctuary, which it was. I fail to see why a wild animal should be killed for acting like a wild animal when there are other options available.[/QUOTE]
Once an animal attacks a human, it must be killed.
2005-03-08 19:53 | User Profile
Uganda Nabs 16-Foot-Long, Man-Eating Croc
"KAMPALA, Uganda (Reuters) - A 5-meter-long (16 ft) crocodile said to have eaten more than 80 people has been caught alive in Uganda and transferred to a sanctuary, officials said Tuesday.
The giant beast -- weighing about a ton-- was captured by wildlife experts who spent three nights camping in the bush before locating their target.
Residents told local media the crocodile killed 83 people over the last two decades, mostly fishermen plying their trade on Lake Victoria off the shores of Bugiri district.
"Much as the residents of Luganga wanted to kill the reptile after our rangers had captured it, it is our responsibility to protect it by removing it from that area and keeping it in a safe place," Uganda Wildlife Authority (UWA) spokeswoman Lillian Nsubuga told Reuters.
The beast - reportedly more than 60 years old -- was trapped using ropes and transported by pick-up truck to Buwama crocodile farm west of the capital Kampala.
The state-owned New Vision newspaper said it "roared" as it was released into a holding ground at the farm Monday.
Crocodiles sometimes attack and kill villagers collecting water or fishing in Lake Victoria, Africa's biggest lake.
Experts say most attacks are triggered as humans getting too close, and the crocodiles are protecting their territory. "
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** I'll say it again... kill it!**
2005-03-08 20:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Once an animal attacks a human, it must be killed.[/QUOTE] Once a domesticated animal attacks a human seriously, then it must be killed. Chimps are wild animals. They are not domesticated, no matter how many times you see movies with smiling chimps in diapers that befriend small children. If I go out in the swamp, and I get bit by a water moccasin, then the snake 'must be killed'? Why? How can you hold a creature without reason or morals responsible for being what it is? This issue is a pragmatic one. If you have dangerous animals encroaching on human territory or endangering human lives, whether this is coyotes killing livestock, a mountain lion wandering down into a suburb, or a Dobermann attacking a child, then by all means put the animals down. But to take a wild animal, knowingly put it into a situation in which it could do damage, and then act totally shocked when it acts like a wild animal seems idiotic to me. I'm not trying to minimize the horror of the attack, and I feel sympathy for the guy who was mauled; but chimps are not poodles!
2005-03-08 20:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Once a domesticated animal attacks a human seriously, then it must be killed. Chimps are wild animals. They are not domesticated, no matter how many times you see movies with smiling chimps in diapers that befriend small children. If I go out in the swamp, and I get bit by a water moccasin, then the snake 'must be killed'? Why? How can you hold a creature without reason or morals responsible for being what it is? This issue is a pragmatic one. If you have dangerous animals encroaching on human territory or endangering human lives, whether this is coyotes killing livestock, a mountain lion wandering down into a suburb, or a Dobermann attacking a child, then by all means put the animals down. But to take a wild animal, knowingly put it into a situation in which it could do damage, and then act totally shocked when it acts like a wild animal seems idiotic to me. I'm not trying to minimize the horror of the attack, and I feel sympathy for the guy who was mauled; but chimps are not poodles![/QUOTE]
I still say kill it... and all water moccasins.
2005-03-08 20:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]I still say kill it... and all water moccasins.[/QUOTE] Kill all water moccasins, because they might attack a human? I suppose we should kill all honeybees, too? All spiders? All raccoons? It is totally ridiculous that it has somehow become the 'conservative' position to think that we should kill all the animals, bulldoze all the forests, and pave over all the wetlands to put in giant Wal-marts and strip malls everywhere, which we will space as far apart as possible, so that we must all drive constantly. What is conservative about that? Industrial capitalism is as much a product of the so-called Enlightenment as communism, and it should join its ruddier brother on the dustbin of history.
2005-03-08 21:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Kill all water moccasins, because they might attack a human? I suppose we should kill all honeybees, too? All spiders? All raccoons? It is totally ridiculous that it has somehow become the 'conservative' position to think that we should kill all the animals, bulldoze all the forests, and pave over all the wetlands to put in giant Wal-marts and strip malls everywhere, which we will space as far apart as possible, so that we must all drive constantly. What is conservative about that? Industrial capitalism is as much a product of the so-called Enlightenment as communism, and it should join its ruddier brother on the dustbin of history.[/QUOTE]
Oh, bloody hell; give me a break with that animal, ozone, and environment rubbish.
I hate snakes! All snakes must die! LOL!
2005-03-09 00:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Gabrielle]Oh, bloody hell; give me a break with that animal, ozone, and environment rubbish.[/QUOTE] Yes, we wouldn't want to go and be good stewards of the creation that God called 'good,' would we? Not when there is economic utility to be maximized. Rapacity, ho!
2005-03-09 01:30 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
Yes-"This animal worshipping has to stop!" The worst part of this is the number of people who have pets rather than children. I do not get it. Animals can't love you. They are willing to spend they whole life cleaning up after an animal that will still be mindless creature for all it's life, but they are not willing to have and raise children. The child learns and growns into a adult the animals never will, yet people this they have ââ¬Åchildrenââ¬Â and even call them such. The whole thing is just perverse! There is nothing wrong with having a cat or dog around the house but thinking of them as children is sick.
2005-03-09 02:07 | User Profile
Apparently the woman involved is still defending and anthropomorphizing her pet, but I am not going to mock her. What happened was a horrible tragedy that they did nothing to deserve. Her husband may still die from his injuries.
Charley Reese once wrote a column about animal trainers, in which one of them said that he always kept in mind that the lions and tigers he worked with could kill him at any time. Then there was the nature photographer in Alaska, who said he would be honored to end up as bear scat. He got his wish, and although the recording he left of his death makes what he said sound like stupid bravado, at least he knew and accepted the risks involved.
Even Michael Jackson was sensible enough to give up Bubbles, when the animal became sexually mature and uncontrollable. But [url=http://hometown.aol.com/jst3666350/myhomepage/index.html]some people[/url] seem to have no idea of the risks involved.
2005-03-09 02:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Gabrielle,
Yes-"This animal worshipping has to stop!" The worst part of this is the number of people who have pets rather than children. I do not get it. Animals can't love you. They are willing to spend they whole life cleaning up after an animal that will still be mindless creature for all it's life, but they are not willing to have and raise children. The child learns and growns into a adult the animals never will, yet people this they have ââ¬Åchildrenââ¬Â and even call them such. The whole thing is just perverse! There is nothing wrong with having a cat or dog around the house but thinking of them as children is sick.[/QUOTE]
I agree... :)
2005-03-09 02:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I thought this was going to be an article about the Carr brothers.[/QUOTE] Hey com'mon you guys. Tell me what this is really about :biggrin:
2005-03-09 02:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Hey com'mon you guys. Tell me what this is really about :biggrin:[/QUOTE]
Barges to Liberia...?
2005-03-09 13:18 | User Profile
[SIZE=4]LOL![/SIZE] :eek:
"March 7, 2005 ââ¬â The wife of a man who is clinging to life after being mauled by two chimpanzees at a California animal sanctuary said that even after the vicious attack, she does not believe most chimps are dangerous.
St. James Davis, 62, sustained horrific injuries after being attacked by the chimps. Davis had part of his face ripped off, losing his nose, lips and right eye, said his wife. He also lost all of his fingers and part of his right foot and right hand.
LaDonna Davis, 64, told ABC News' "Good Morning America" her husband is hanging on "minute by minute," and doctors are just trying to keep his breathing constant.
**She also said that despite the mauling, she still believes in the goodness of the chimps.
"Every animal, every being has good. That's what you have to bring out of them," she said." **
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