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Thread ID: 17089 | Posts: 19 | Started: 2005-03-03
2005-03-03 21:20 | User Profile
[I]Who benefited from the recent slayings blamed on "white supremacists"?[/I]
MSNBC Poll
[B][SIZE=3]Should the government crack down on hate web sites?[/SIZE][/B] * 8157 responses
[COLOR=Red]Yes[/COLOR] [B]67%[/B] [COLOR=Red]No[/COLOR] [B]33%[/B]
[B]Hate: Only a click away[/B]
There is a new haven for hate groups and itââ¬â¢s only a keyboard away. They're all over the Internet: Messages gloating about the killings of Judge Joan Lefkow's husband and mother - all part of a growing web of online hate.
The Internet is a tool used by many white supremacists, including those allied with Matthew Hale, put in prison for plotting to kill Judge Lefkow. Even with Hale in prison, his group, the World Church of the Creator, has spawned Web sites in Spanish, Portuguese and other languages, appealing to a global audience. Click here to read more about hate groups multiplying online.
"In the past, you needed a Klan leader to start a rally," says Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino. "Now you just need a computer keyboard and a screen." The ideology of hate can be delivered into peoples' homes without regard to location.
Steven Heyman, a free speech expert at Chicago Kent College of Law, says that while most of what is written on the Web sites is protected speech, threatening postings with names and addresses are not.
Should these type of web sites be regulated by the governement?
Weigh in: Vote and e-mail us your thoughts
Here is what some of you are saying:
"We still have freedom or speech here and we don't want to loose that. Cracking down on hate web sites could be just the start. I would have loved to answer this question with a yes, but, the freedom of speech is very important." ââ¬âKarin from Dixon, Ill.
"Unfortunately, the Consitution does allow them to spread their hateful message because of free speech. The government should start cracking down on these groups once these groups start stating they should kill someone." ââ¬âDan from Akron, OH
"Any site that incites hatred and anger especially towards the unexpecting should be censored. If authorities would have had the forsight to view into the thoughts of Harris and Kliebold, Columbine might not have happened." ââ¬âTerry Graham from Beebe, Ark.
"If there is a threat, or incitement to violence, the web owners could possibly be prosecuted under conspiracy laws, other than that, they should be considered protected speech." ââ¬âDan from Akron, OH
"While I don't agree with the message, I would defend to the death their right to speak it. Freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment. Having the government crack down on these web sites would amount to politically correct Gestapo tactics." ââ¬âJim Stiffler from Helena, Mont.
"Definitely yes! This is not a free speech issue as the ACLU would have you believe. There is nothing to be gained by the continued proliferation of hate in our society by any means (websites or in print). This cycle has got to stop. ââ¬âR. Orris from Middletown, Pa.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/[/url]
2005-03-03 21:35 | User Profile
So where was MSNBC when every brillo in America was openly dancing with glee at the OJ verdict? Did they poll the electorate on whether the gendarmes ought to [I]crack down on blacks [/I] after the Cincinnatti riots or Malvo & Muhammed? Did AOL greet its members with an "Illegals: Enough Is Enough" link on its start page after the Hmong shooter's rampage?
Come to think of it, why are we in Iraq right now, with Iran and Syria next? (As if we'd [I]ever [/I] see a CNN or FoxNews or MSNBC 'lightning poll' on Jewish influence equalling gentiles in body bags....)
2005-03-03 22:10 | User Profile
I am glad that I have the Internet and this forum in order to express my feelings about the Zionists.
If it was not for the Internet I would be ignorant about those people because the the only thing that we can read in the US is the propaganda that the Jews themselves want us to read.
Freedom comes with the cost of being free only for as long as we do what they want us to do, let it be the Zionists or the power to be.
2005-03-03 23:04 | User Profile
The internet has been an awesome source of information that we otherwise wouldn't have. Twenty years ago, you would have depended on the mainstream media for nearly everything you know about what's going on in the world outside of your town. Yet, in spite of such a powerful service, the internet seems to have had virtually no effect on what the public believes.
But, it has always been my belief that people will always believe what they are first taught, with little exception. And, as long as public schools control what the public learns, nothing else, like the internet, really matters. Too bad some of you here want things to stay just how they are.
2005-03-03 23:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The internet has been an awesome source of information that we otherwise wouldn't have. Twenty years ago, you would have depended on the mainstream media for nearly everything you know about what's going on in the world outside of your town. Yet, in spite of such a powerful service, the internet seems to have had virtually no effect on what the public believes.
But, it has always been my belief that people will always believe what they are first taught, with little exception. And, as long as public schools control what the public learns, nothing else, like the internet, really matters. Too bad some of you here want things to stay just how they are.[/QUOTE]
Why do I get the uncomfortable feeling this translates into, "The Internet is a valuable tool for discerning minds like my own - however, it's wasted on the rest of you?"
2005-03-06 20:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]I am glad that I have the Internet and this forum in order to express my feelings about the Zionists.
If it was not for the Internet I would be ignorant about those people because the the only thing that we can read in the US is the propaganda that the Jews themselves want us to read.
...[/QUOTE] Quite right. My search for the truth didn't make any progress until I started "surfing the web." What a shock! A plethora of information about things not even touched in the mainstream press. The Jews and their minions assert that we common folk do not have the intellect to discern good info from bad. In reality... they don't want us even searching for the truth. They wish to control the flow of information the way they control our elections.
The Internet is their Achilles Heel !
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2005-03-06 20:57 | User Profile
I cannot understand who these Jews are you fear so much?
It sounds like just plain hatred for the sake of.
And nothing to do with Yeshua (Jesus) whatsoever. Nothing to do with faith in God.
2005-03-07 18:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]I cannot understand who these Jews are you fear so much?
It sounds like just plain hatred for the sake of.
And nothing to do with Yeshua (Jesus) whatsoever. Nothing to do with faith in God.[/QUOTE] Let me give you some advise my naive friend... We live in a world of deceit, deception and treachery. If you're going to function as a mature and savvy adult... you need to have navigational skills. And I'm not talking about seafaring. To avoid being someone else's fool... you need to practice a critical thought process... based on a truth seeking philosophy. The only exceptions to this rule, as far as I'm concerned, are matters of faith.
Critical thought is a simple 3-step linear process that you practice when "digesting" any information that you deem relevant or important. Step one is research. Step 2 is analyzing your researched information. Step 3 is coming to a conclusion based on your analysis of your research. Also required is some kind of truth seeking philosophy.
For example... four thousand years ago, Socrates taught his students that if a person desired to be a truth seeker... that person would not only have to be curious and logical about the world around them... but they would also need to start with a "clean slate." Any items of existing knowledge would have to be verified. If these items of knowledge did not hold-up under scrutiny, they would have to be discarded. Additionally, a truth seeker would also be required to determine why they were led to believe those falsehoods... and by whom.
Good luck on your journey SCRIPTURESEZ.
:wink:
2005-03-07 19:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]Quite right. My search for the truth didn't make any progress until I started "surfing the web." What a shock! A plethora of information about things not even touched in the mainstream press. The Jews and their minions assert that we common folk do not have the intellect to discern good info from bad. In reality... they don't want us even searching for the truth. They wish to control the flow of information the way they control our elections.
The Internet is their Achilles Heel !
:clap:[/QUOTE]
I agree with what you say above. I too experienced a real and strong awakening to the truth when I first started surfing the internet, even though I had always known the realities of racial differences just by growing up in NYC and seeing once proud and clean White neighborhoods turn into rotting cesspools practically overnight when the "new Americans" moved in.
Many White folks out there have what I call, "the nagging feeling" that something just isn't right with the entire American society, yet there unable to connect the dots of why.......and this is why the Alien power-brokers of media want to shut down the internet. This is why they're celebrating the downfall of Matt Hale and the subsequent polls where people say the government should crack down on "hate sites"....yea, like posing that question right after a highly publicized incident concerning a White "supremacist" wouldn't bias the entire poll.
2005-03-07 21:53 | User Profile
I think that is funny that in some sites when ever you type the word "Jew" all you get is this *, one of those places is "Party Poker . Com" but when you type Christian, Muslim, Protestant or even Ponce then it comes out loud and clear.
Go to Partypoker.com and type in the poker room and you will see.
2005-03-07 22:52 | User Profile
You beleive the pagan greeks but not Jesus. TheBible tells you do not put any other gods before you, but you treat Socrates like a god! You don't have any clue about the Bible, but only what is taught to you in your surrounding culture.
You are assimilated into a greek and roman culture that you cannot see and know that your are decieved.
You are infected with a spirit of fear because you do not know Yeshua (Jesus) and what you are trying to tell me is that I should have the spirit of fear. You are trying to rip away from me and the rest of the people on this board, our Comforter, Our Attorney, Our Provider, Our Teacher, Our Attorney, Our everything. Why? So we can depend on you?
But I have faith and I know for certain that these are the last days when the Messiah will return. Let me advise you, if you continue on your present course, and Messiah returns, and I assure you pagan greek and his demonic philosophies will not save you.
I have no fear of man whatsoever, but I have a reverent respect for the Lord God almighty, Yeshua Ha Moshiach Tzedikenu and He is my Savior and my Shield.
By His Stripes I was healed and I was saved. Where now is your critical thought? Have you studied the Bible? What do you really know? Just what you have been told by men?
The uncleaness of this age has you deceived into beleiving Socrates is some sort of God. He was not. Nor were his writings from the Lord, but from elsewhere. That is historical fact.
Why don't you ask Yeshua what to do. He is alive after all and Socrates and his students are dead.
[QUOTE=Phantasm]Let me give you some advise my naive friend... We live in a world of deceit, deception and treachery. If you're going to function as a mature and savvy adult... you need to have navigational skills. And I'm not talking about seafaring. To avoid being someone else's fool... you need to practice a critical thought process... based on a truth seeking philosophy. The only exceptions to this rule, as far as I'm concerned, are matters of faith.
Critical thought is a simple 3-step linear process that you practice when "digesting" any information that you deem relevant or important. Step one is research. Step 2 is analyzing your researched information. Step 3 is coming to a conclusion based on your analysis of your research. Also required is some kind of truth seeking philosophy.
For example... four thousand years ago, Socrates taught his students that if a person desired to be a truth seeker... that person would not only have to be curious and logical about the world around them... but they would also need to start with a "clean slate." Any items of existing knowledge would have to be verified. If these items of knowledge did not hold-up under scrutiny, they would have to be discarded. Additionally, a truth seeker would also be required to determine why they were led to believe those falsehoods... and by whom.
Good luck on your journey SCRIPTURESEZ.
:wink:[/QUOTE]
2005-03-08 02:21 | User Profile
Many White folks out there have what I call, "the nagging feeling" that something just isn't right with the entire American society, yet there unable to connect the dots of why.....
I digress a bit, but only a little bit. . .
Have you ever seen the t-shirt that says, "Stress: That confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's desire to choke the living $hit out of some asshole who desperately needs it."? There's a lot of wisdom in that saying. . .
Think about the rapid rise in numbers of the population clamoring to be medicated because they have stress, 'anxiety disorders', panic attacks, etc., etc. It's only been in the last, what, 10 - 15 years that so many people think they have a need for a drug to help them 'cope'. Why do you think that is? IMO, it's exactly like the shirts says - some asshole 'needs it' - yet we're constantly being barraged with "Diversity is GOOD", "It's wrong to be a hater", etc., which is one of the reasons - if not the biggest reason - it's so hard for them to connect the dots as to "why' things are so screwed up. It's not healthy to "hate". Evil is good and good is evil. :angry:
Sure, there's a nagging feeling. And record numbers of people are being medicated to suppress it. IMO, there's a direct correlation between the two.
2005-03-08 04:01 | User Profile
I just happened to run across this quote after I made my last post, and thought it speaks to what I was saying. . .
ââ¬ÅEver since the Jews invented the libel charge of 'anti-Semitism' in the 1880s ["The word 'anti-Semitism' was first printed in 1880" -- Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. I (1901), p. 641], it has been built up with Jewish money, organizations, propaganda, and lies...so that now the word is like snake venom [u]which paralyzes one's nervous system[/u]. Even the mention of the word 'Jew' is shunned unless used in a most favorable and positive context.ââ¬Â -- Charles A. Weisman, Who is Esau-Edom? p. 63.
2005-03-08 08:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=SCRIPTURESEZ]You beleive the pagan greeks but not Jesus. TheBible tells you do not put any other gods before you, but you treat Socrates like a god! You don't have any clue about the Bible, but only what is taught to you in your surrounding culture. ... Why don't you ask Yeshua what to do. He is alive after all and Socrates and his students are dead.[/QUOTE] Oh grow-up SCRIPTURESEZ! You sound just like my air headed sister.
My Faith has nothing to do with critical thought or a truth seeking philosophy. My Faith makes me stronger and more appreciative of the life God has given me. People like you however, have turned Faith into a debilitating disease. Get your head out of the clouds and start living in the real world. The anti-Christ is among us and you're sitting around whining about how a Christian took advice from a human. Pick up your sword of righteousness and help us fight the beast. His number is 666 and he wears a yarmulke.
:caiphas: :thumbd:
2005-03-08 17:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE]ââ¬ÅEver since the Jews invented the libel charge of 'anti-Semitism' in the 1880s....[/QUOTE] Brooke: The term "Antisemitismus" was actually coined by a German anti-semite (Wilhelm Marr) circa 1879, as a label for his own viewpoint.
2005-03-08 18:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]Brooke: The term "Antisemitismus" was actually coined by a German anti-semite (Wilhelm Marr) circa 1879, as a label for his own viewpoint.[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight: The jews lie about inventing the term 'anti-semite'?
ââ¬ÅEver since the Jews invented the libel charge of 'anti-Semitism' . . ."
How typical.
Thanks for the info.
2005-03-17 05:01 | User Profile
The Columbine kids weren't even Nazi supporters and spoke out against them. The media just lied to make a huge story out of it because they played Doom.
2005-03-17 05:07 | User Profile
I think it's pretty safe to say that any poll on MSNBC is about as accurate if not less so than one of my "Hottest Non-White Chicks" polls:taz:
2005-03-17 06:10 | User Profile
That is a rather large majority that voted yes. I wonder what type of people participated in the poll. It is really sickening and telling. I am willing to bet if this poll would have been about anything else, that could be seen as a freedom of speech issue, the results would be a lot more split. Many of the most stupid lemmings also, take their opinions in a sense, from polls like this. Gee, if so many people voted that there should be a crackdown on these "hate sites" that must be the correct thing,etc.:rolleyes:
I wonder if they will have a similar poll dealing with black power "hate sites" with the recent developments in the atlanta courthouse shooting and Brian Nichols now saying he wanted to strike back at the system for slavery and racism. I think not.