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2005-03-03 17:57 | User Profile
Why is this posted in the Dispensationalism forum? Because Christian Zionist nutballs are the real issue.
[url]http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/01/1520234[/url]
GOP Congressman Calls for Nuking Syria
In Washington, Republican Congressman Sam Johnson of Texas has recommended to President Bush that the U.S. consider attacking Syria with nuclear weapons. Johnson recently told a church gathering, "Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore."
2005-03-03 20:41 | User Profile
Christian Zionist nutballs...Man you got that right Centinel...A whole lot of 'christians' are in for a real jolt when their beloved anti-Christ Israel brings a cataclysmic catastrophe down on their heads, and on their children. :oh:
FYI: I wonder how many Americans really realize just how small anti-Christ Israel is?...In the Pittsburgh Post-Gazete newspaper dated October 12, 2003 on page A-11, thay state that this mini-welfare state, which recieves gazillions of our hard-earned tax-money is: 'smaller in area than the state of New Jersey (7,886 sq. miles versus 8,215) with a population of six million.' (Oops! There's that number again). :shocking:
2005-03-03 20:51 | User Profile
I listen to mainstream Christian Evangelical radio and I am amazed how freely these Christian Zionists suggest mass murder for their dispensationalist theology and some "shitty little [pseudo-]country". If I ever held a theological position which led me to think that the slaughter of millions of people with nuclear annihilation is perfectly exceptable for religious reasons, I'd become an atheist. And I'd expect God to fully understand.
I'd like to know what drives all these redneck apocalypnuts, where they can get so fired up over Israel, while these very same Jews are consumed with systematically destroying America and the last public vestiges of Christian America, from the Ten Commandments displays to the flood of muds. I watch the news and I see a bunch of Jewish lawyers suing over the Ten Commandments display, I pick up the local paper-- here in the a-hole end of nowhere-- and I'm subjected to a 'letter to the editor' by some Jew complaining about intelligent design being mentioned in public school classrooms. The indefatigable drive these people have in constantly working to destroy Christian America, traditional America, is staggering.
2005-03-03 21:09 | User Profile
[url]http://www.opednews.com/thoreau_030205_nuke_syria.htm[/url]
Texas Republican Congressman calls for 'nuking' Syria ââ¬â including my kids' relatives
By Jackson Thoreau
[url]www.OpEdNews.com[/url]
I covered Rep. Sam Johnson [R-Texas] when he first ran for Congress in 1991. He was so "honest" that he didn't even live in the district - he just rented an apartment in the district to run.
That was technically legal, but many raised questions about him using a loophole to run. I was one of the few reporters to write about that at the time, but it didn't stop Johnson from winning the election.
Now, Johnson wants to kill everyone in Syria in one nuclear swoop, just because he has some unproven notion that weapons of mass destruction are being hidden there. That would include the relatives of my kids - who are part Syrian. Not to mention, the nuke would probably take out much of the Middle East, including Israel. And it would affect weather patterns and cause cancer in surrounding areas for years, if not decades.
His chief of staff says Johnson doesn't really want to nuke Syria, but I don't buy that. He has said this at least twice, including to a public gathering in a speech in a church, no less, on Feb. 19, and privately to Bush himself at the White House. Remember what Bush once tried to say: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame ââ¬â won't get fooled again."
What's also sad is that many in the audience at the church applauded right after Johnson said he wants to nuke Syria. In fact, "the crowd roared with applause," according to a report in the non-partisan Roll Call publication that covers Capitol Hill.
Here is the item with more details from Roll Call:
Now we know where Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Texas) thinks the weapons of mass destruction are buried: in Syria, which he said he'd like to nuke to smithereens. Speaking at a veterans' celebration at Suncreek United Methodist Church in Allen, Texas, on Feb. 19, Johnson told the crowd that he explained his theory to President Bush and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) on the porch of the White House one night. Johnson said he told the president that night, "Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore." The crowd roared with applause. Johnson's remarks were captured on tape, which was played over the phone for [Heard on the Hill]. While the audience audibly applauded Johnson's remarks, a few members of the crowd did not. One person who lives in the district and who attended the service said he was "shocked and offended" by the Congressman's remarks. Johnson's chief of staff, Cody Lusk, told HOH to keep in mind that the Congressman was a fighter pilot in Korea and Vietnam. And he was a POW for seven-and-a-half years. "Once a fighter pilot, always a fighter pilot," Lusk said. He added that, the Congressman's comments aside, Johnson "obviously does not believe" that nuking Syria is the answer to eliminating weapons of mass destruction. "He was just speaking to a crowd of veterans," Lusk said.
What this Congressman said was worse than even conservative serial-killing artist Ann Coulter saying, ""We need to execute people like John Walker [the American Taliban] in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."
It was worse than what conservative writer John Derbyshire penned, when he more than hinted that Chelsea Clinton should be killed as an "enemy of the state" [see [url]http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire021501.shtml][/url].
Johnson, a member of Congress with great power who is invited to semi-private functions with Bush in the White House, at least twice called for murdering hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocent people just because he THINKS that country MIGHT be hiding those weapons of mass destruction that our leaders LIED about to cajole us into a stupid invasion of Iraq.
No liberal politician or writer I know has come so close to publicly calling for the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people or of Bush's daughters or of conservatives in general.
Some conservatives, like Shawn Macomber, have tried to say liberals want to kill conservatives. Macomber wrote in a "review" of the dark comedy "The Last Supper" in the American Spectator last fall that the movie was an "anthem" of the "left protest movement." He tried to use this fictional movie to make a point that liberals supported killing conservatives.
But besides getting several facts of the movie wrong, such as how the Limbaugh conservative got the last laugh by turning the tables on the liberals, Macomber missed the point of the movie. Like Orwell's "Animal Farm," the satire points out how any system from any side can go corrupt and warns of totalitarianism and taking things too far, from either the right or the left.
When I sent out Johnson's "nuke Syria" statement to various friends, family members, media outlets and more, one conservative family member wrote back, accusing me of being "biased" against Republicans. That's as if he was not biased against Democrats when he mostly got his news by reading Free Nazi Republic, a site that won't allow Americans like me to present a different viewpoint. I wrote back saying I admitted to being biased against fascist nazi right-wingers who are turning this country into the nazi Germany of the modern era. And I won't stop being biased against them because I think they are dangerous and so wrong that the only thing true patriotic Americans can do is oppose them.
My conservative family member ended by saying he was "sure that any well-educated person would not want to 'nuke' any body."
My response: "And when you mention well-educated people not wanting to 'nuke' anybody, you overlook how we did just that in 1945. And we are supposedly educated in this country, though that is debatable."
2005-03-03 21:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Speaking at a veterans' celebration at Suncreek United Methodist Church in Allen, Texas, on Feb. 19, Johnson told the crowd that he explained his theory to President Bush and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) on the porch of the White House one night. Johnson said he told the president that night, "Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore." The crowd roared with applause.
Now this is odd. The UMC is a left-liberal member of the National Council of Churches. To my knowledge, Methodists do not subscribe to dispensational theology. But the UMC embraces homopervert clergy, and is [url=http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=2&mid=2534]heavily engaged in anti-Zionist activism[/url], of that much I am aware.
When I first read the Democracy Now! version of this, I immediately jumped to the conclusion that Rep. Johnson was speaking to Baptists or Assembly of God types.
Something don't add up.
2005-03-03 21:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Now this is odd. The UMC is a left-liberal member of the National Council of Churches. To my knowledge, Methodists do not subscribe to dispensational theology. But the UMC embraces homopervert clergy, and is [url="http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=2&mid=2534"]heavily engaged in anti-Zionist activism[/url], of that much I am aware.
When I first read the Democracy Now! version of this, I immediately jumped to the conclusion that Rep. Johnson was speaking to Baptists or Assembly of God types.
Something don't add up.[/QUOTE] George W. is a Methodist and an evangelical Christian Zionist. I think this Zionist Evangelicalism has infected many of the mainstream Protestant denominations, even among the Lutherans and Presbyterians. They are influenced by "Christian" radio and the ubiquitous "Left Behind" series and think it is Christian, or biblical.
2005-03-04 04:51 | User Profile
Its truly amazing that these so-called Christians are such blood-thirsty creeps. They forget that Syria is something on the order of 30% Christian. Of course, none of these Syrian Christians are large "E" evangelicals, so its fine and dandy to blast them to atoms. These people are just totally devoid of love. As an "evil racist" I am on record as not being too happy about bringing Arab immigrants to the US, but I don't want to kill or hurt anyone. Neocons and their Gentile stooges are moral monsters.
2005-03-04 07:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]In Washington, Republican Congressman Sam Johnson of Texas has recommended to President Bush that the U.S. consider attacking Syria with nuclear weapons. Johnson recently told a church gathering, "Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore."[/QUOTE]
What a stupid, ignorant, worthless, neo-con piece of shit! Such a statement on his part, in addition to being so vulgar, cruel and utterly devoid of intellectual basis as to warrant his expulsion from the House of Represenatives by simple virtue of the fact that his continued membership in that body brings shame and dishonor on the Congress as a whole, as well as the entire Federal government of the United States. I don't expect results anymore, of course, but I intend to drive down to "my" congressman's office (Mike Honda, one of two principal San Jose Democrats in the U.S. House) and arrange a meeting with one of his staff people for the express purpose of urging Mr. Honda to work for Sam Johson's expulsion from the Congress. I will also be contacting the offices of Nancy Pelosi, Tom DeLay and Dennis Hastert, because its our duty as Americans to speak out such elaborate and ex-Soviet[ensive tax-payers )
2005-03-04 09:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]Its truly amazing that these so-called Christians are such blood-thirsty creeps. They forget that Syria is something on the order of 30% Christian. Of course, none of these Syrian Christians are large "E" evangelicals, so its fine and dandy to blast them to atoms. These people are just totally devoid of love. As an "evil racist" I am on record as not being too happy about bringing Arab immigrants to the US, but I don't want to kill or hurt anyone. Neocons and their Gentile stooges are moral monsters.[/QUOTE]
That's the way it is.
2005-03-04 14:44 | User Profile
These idiots want to fight a modern day version of the 30 Years War.
2005-03-05 02:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]What a stupid, ignorant, worthless, neo-con piece of shit! Such a statement on his part, in addition to being so vulgar, cruel and utterly devoid of intellectual basis as to warrant his expulsion from the House of Represenatives by simple virtue of the fact that his continued membership in that body brings shame and dishonor on the Congress as a whole, as well as the entire Federal government of the United States. I don't expect results anymore, of course, but I intend to drive down to "my" congressman's office (Mike Honda, one of two principal San Jose Democrats in the U.S. House) and arrange a meeting with one of his staff people for the express purpose of urging Mr. Honda to work for Sam Johson's expulsion from the Congress. I will also be contacting the offices of Nancy Pelosi, Tom DeLay and Dennis Hastert, because its our duty as Americans to speak out such elaborate and ex-Soviet[ensive tax-payers )[/QUOTE]
Its amusing the sort of errors I make when I post when very tired. I mean, what the Hell was I even trying to say in the final sentence above?
2005-03-05 03:16 | User Profile
Please Dear God:
May you guide Mr. Putin and the Russians to put a stop to this insanity before it starts.
Amen
2005-03-05 03:34 | User Profile
I think the Blond Knight's prayer is well taken. Although I think that in some ways the jury is still out on Vladimir Putin, I think he might be the sanest European leader out there. Had sad, in a way, that poor, crippled Russia may be humanity's last, best hope. Maybe the 19th Century Slavophiles were right, maybe Russia will save the world?
When his intelligence people begin to get signals that an American iinvasion of Syria is immenent, Vlad ought to fly in some troops to Damascus. This same tactic was used to good effect when Clinton began to invade Serbia back in 1998.
2005-03-05 09:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]When his intelligence people begin to get signals that an American iinvasion of Syria is immenent, Vlad ought to fly in some troops to Damascus. This same tactic was used to good effect when Clinton began to invade Serbia back in 1998.[/QUOTE]
The only downside to this is that it will provide a scapegoat if/when the neocons grand imperial designs for spreading "freedom" and "democracy" start to come undone. We'll hear that Bush's plans to revamp the Middle East were just about to come to glorious fruition when the dastardly Russians stepped in and ruined everything, and that if it wasn't for them, things would be just dandy.
2005-03-05 18:09 | User Profile
Rowdy Roddy's point is well taken, but the US has already revived the Cold War by its interference in Ukranian (and Baltic) politics. Some foreign leader invulnerable to invasion (meaning with a nuclear arsenal) has to put an end to the imperialist madness of King George II and his Krazy Khazar Kabal.
Like the majority of the French right of the late thirties who said "Better Hitler than Blum" I say better Putin than Wolfowitz.
2005-03-06 11:31 | User Profile
AP Congressman Says Syria Nuke Comment a Joke
Fri Mar 4,10:50 PM ET
DALLAS - A congressman who raised eyebrows with recent remarks about personally wanting to drop a nuclear bomb on Syria now says he was joking.
The Feb. 19 remarks by Rep. Sam Johnson (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, at a church pancake breakfast were first reported this week in Roll Call. The Capitol Hill newspaper reported it had heard a recording of the talk made by someone in attendance.
According to Roll Call, Johnson said he was talking with President Bush (news - web sites) and GOP Rep. Kay Granger (news, bio, voting record) at the White House about weapons of mass destruction that troops failed to find in Iraq (news - web sites).
According to Roll Call, Johnson said he told the president: "Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore."
Johnson, 74, is a former Air Force combat pilot who served in Korea and Vietnam, where he was shot down and spent 7 1/2 years as a prisoner of war.
Johnson did not respond to a request for comment by The Associated Press on Friday. However, he told The Dallas Morning News that he was surprised anyone took his comments seriously and has never advocated a nuclear strike on Syria.
"I was kind of joking ââ¬â you know, we were talking between veterans," he said. He added that President Bush knew he was joking.
Copyright é 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050305/ap_on_go_co/congressman_syria_3[/url]
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2005-03-07 12:22 | User Profile
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2005-03-07 13:26 | User Profile
Eiba,
Welcome to the board. The good news about this is that he isn't a senator. He is a representative of the lower house. The bad news in that still we are still stuck with John McCain, who is a senator and holds similar belligerent views. One hopes that sanity pervails here over such thinking.
2005-03-07 14:02 | User Profile
More "christian" Zionists nutballs...
Perhaps the most startling moment of the morning was an appearance by popular Christian Zionist author, Kay Arthur of Precepts Ministries. "I love America," Arthur said, her voice quivering with emotion. "But if it came to a choice between Israel and America, I would stand with Israel." While the crowd applauded tepidly, I looked around and saw more than a few faces cringing with embarrassment. Arthur went on to read excerpts from the Book of Revelations, painting a surreal image of Jesus seated in a throne floating above Jerusalem, rapturing all the worldââ¬â¢s true believers up to Heaven. She left the fate of unreconstructed Jews to the imagination.
Justin Raimondo has it right. [url=http://www.antiwar.com/blog/]"Kay Arthur is the Ward Churchill of the Pro Israel" Right,...[/url]
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