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Thread ID: 17072 | Posts: 17 | Started: 2005-03-02
2005-03-02 22:29 | User Profile
Do a search on Yahoo News and numerous papers are reporting on statements Hal Turner, Tom Metzger, and other Hale followers posted on the internet. Even though Hale's own lawyer pleaded with his followers to drop any discuss of this because they were hurting Hale's case, numerous people posted Lefkow's home address, personal information, and at least in one case, a thinly veiled death threat.
The "movement" is looking pretty stupid right now in the news because of these morons. Hales father came out and said that Lefkow was the judge who originally ruled in Hales' favor, and not the enemy. (this is something that has shocked me. everyone's anger is on Lefkow, when the real culprit was the court above her. after the higher court ruled against Hale, Lefkow was legally required to enforce the higher courts ruling wether she agreed with it or not.)
Furthermore, Lefkow is not even Jewish. Her entire family is Episcapal. This makes all these so-called "movement" people look even the more stupid as they have been calling Lefkow a "Jew."
Hal Turner, Tom Metzger, and the others had no understanding of the case whatsover. They cetainly haven't helped Hale's case one bit by their stupidity. Who here thinks that the prosecution will use incriminating statements by Hale follows in the upcoming sentancing hearing. They have plenty of new stuff to gleam of the net.
Not suprising, the Chicago police announced that they will sopena numerous "white supremecists" over the case.
2005-03-02 23:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Lefkow is not even Jewish. Her entire family is Episcapal. This makes all these so-called "movement" people look even the more stupid as they have been calling Lefkow a "Jew."[/QUOTE] Right. Her husband was Jewish.
2005-03-03 03:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]The "movement" is looking pretty stupid right now in the news because of these morons. Hales father came out and said that Lefkow was the judge who originally ruled in Hales' favor, and not the enemy. (this is something that has shocked me. everyone's anger is on Lefkow, when the real culprit was the court above her. after the higher court ruled against Hale, Lefkow was legally required to enforce the higher courts ruling wether she agreed with it or not.)"[/QUOTE]I hope to God that neither Matt Hale, his followers nor his sympathizers had anything to do with this. But if they did, I want them to fry.
And I hope, probably in vain, that they learn the lesson George Lincoln Rockwell grasped years ago: if your associates advocate violence, turn them in. They are either dangers to the cause, or government plants.
2005-03-03 06:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]... Hal Turner, Tom Metzger, and the others had no understanding of the case whatsover. They cetainly haven't helped Hale's case one bit by their stupidity. Who here thinks that the prosecution will use incriminating statements by Hale follows in the upcoming sentancing hearing. They have plenty of new stuff to gleam of the net. ...[/QUOTE] This is typical White Nationalist hobbyism. Instead of behaving like responsible activists... movement leaders stir-up the regulars with adolescent remarks and slanderous falsehoods.
[QUOTE=heritagelost]... Furthermore, Lefkow is not even Jewish. Her entire family is Episcapal. This makes all these so-called "movement" people look even the more stupid as they have been calling Lefkow a "Jew." ...[/QUOTE] However... on this I must disagree. If the family matriarch or patriarch is a Jew... the family is fair game. Better brush-up on your Jewish tribalism.
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2005-03-03 07:30 | User Profile
Yes, I'm hoping this murder is unrelated to Hale's supporters. Those people really want to invite trouble.
2005-03-03 08:04 | User Profile
It's "subpoena", btw.
2005-03-03 15:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=mwdallas]Right. Her husband was Jewish.[/QUOTE] Over on VNN, Linder is actually playing the role of responsible adult (shock!) by pointing out that there is absolutely no evidence that the husband was Jewish. He was, in fact, Christian, of a decidely do-gooder type, from the Wheaton, Illinois area which happens to abound with that type.
If Mr. Lefkow had Jewish ancestors anywhere in his background, no one has bothered yet to demonstrate proof of this.
So much easier to just say "Jew! Jew! Jew!" rather than do basic homework or research, I suppose.
2005-03-03 16:19 | User Profile
This is the latest from chicago. The police announced they are searching for two "white men."
This is an excerpt from the article
Hale's mother, Evelyn Hutcheson, told The New York Times that federal agents who visited her home in East Peoria on Tuesday had asked whether Hale communicated in code from prison. The newspaper reported that she also said the FBI questioned a friend of Hale's who lives in a Chicago suburb.
Federal agents this week also interviewed Hal Turner, a white-supremacist radio host from New Jersey, the Times reported.
"They wanted to know if I had any information about the killing, and they wanted to know where I was when the killing took place," Turner told the paper.
2005-03-03 16:56 | User Profile
Whoever is ultimately held accountable for these terrible crimes, the overall effects from the fallout of having "White supremicists" linked to this crime will have catastrophic consequences for the normal White nationalists in America, who just want to freely express their views and pursue self-determination as proscribed in the US Constitution. Now anyone even [I]softly expressing [/I] pro-White views will be viewed as a "terrorist", "murderer, "conspiracy kook" and "dangerous" to society and targeted by the Feds a la [I]1984[/I]-style.
I recall The Doors' classic tune, "[B]The End"[/B]:
[I]This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end Of our elaborate plans, the end Of everything that stands, the end No safety or surprise, the end I'll never look into your eyes...again [/I]
2005-03-04 01:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Now anyone even softly expressing * pro-White views will be viewed as a "terrorist", "murderer, "conspiracy kook" and "dangerous" to society and targeted by the Feds a la 1984*-style.[/QUOTE] Today, perhaps. But, this will fade away. If the Feds didn't shut down the movement over Timothy McVeigh, they sure as hell ain't gonna do shit over this current circus. Oh, they may harass the Usual Suspects, but, oh well.
As far as Media Hysterics go, they've slandered anyone and everyone remotely racist as "Dangerous" ever since [size=-1]The Order. [/size]
2005-03-04 01:36 | User Profile
I've been doing this for 11 years, since I was a teenager. I'm here to say that tens of millions of white people agree with us. They are just terrified of being associated with mickey mouse crap like World Church of the Creator, Aryan Nations, or KKK.
If you come off as a normal, intelligent person you have no problems finding other whites who feel the same way.
Here in South Carolina, I've talked to white people young and old, male and female, including beautiful young females who have all supported my views and agreed with me wholeheartedly. Now if anyone brings up the words KKK or Nazi everyone runs in terror. I've talked to people down here who are HARDCORE on racial issues, but absolutely despise the KKK and Nazi groups. The old segregationalists really hate the KKK and blame the KKK for helping the Civil Rights movement. Every time major opposition was built to oppose a Civil Rights bill, the Klan would kill someone or blow something up and all opposition would crumble and the media cried and moaned about it across the nation on the news for days.
2005-03-04 01:39 | User Profile
"Lefkow" sounds Jewish because, [B]a[/B], many Jews have last names that sound like distressed single-syllable Central-Eastern European remainders stitched together: Rifkin, Lipschitz, Pankow, Gelfand, etc; and, [B]b[/B], when dealing with certain influential job descriptions such as tv producer, personal injury attorney, or undersecretary of defense, [I]Jew[/I] is now the default setting.
I myself was surprised that "Lefkow" would turn out to be devout Episcopalians. Though I have my doubts about the [I]devout[/I], and - knowing that the marrano option is never off the table - I wonder about the second part as well, particularly as regards [B]Mr [/B] Lefkow.
One question: did the same people now huffing and puffing about this (Michael Savage-Weiner's comments on [I]L'Affaire Lefkow [/I] seem to indicate he thinks that having objectionable beliefs and opinions is [I]already [/I] a violation of the Patriot Act) recommend their own imprisonment when they clapped their hands in walrus-happiness when Vince Foster and Ron Brown never got up from [I]their [/I] dirt naps?
2005-03-04 01:49 | User Profile
It is standard practice to say good about the dead. Casual church goers become "devout" after they die. The point is, however that the just plain aren't Jewish.
Whenever the nazi types start going Jew this, and Jew that they go way overboard and eventually embarrass the hell out of themselves. I see Nazi types call people Jewish all the time who aren't even Jewish. Some the gentiles most commonly denounced as "Jews" are Bill Gates, the Waldons, the Rockefellers. Jews love to play up on this. One episode of the X-Files had a Nazi group printing fliers that said "How the Jews invented AIDS." The Jewish left-wing types like the ADL want nothing more than the Nazis to exagerate on the Jews so they can make them look foolish.
Then you have people like Sarah Michelle Gellar who has absolutely no Jewish traits and says no one in her family ever expressed a Jewish Identity, nor does she consider herself to be a Jew. Yet you have these Nazi-types calling her a "dirty Jew" based on her name. If she does have Jewish blood, like her name would suggest, it is obviously quite small and means nothing to her.
[QUOTE=il ragno]"Lefkow" sounds Jewish because, [B]a[/B], many Jews have last names that sound like distressed single-syllable Central-Eastern European remainders stitched together: Rifkin, Lipschitz, Pankow, Gelfand, etc; and, [B]b[/B], when dealing with certain influential job descriptions such as tv producer, [I]personal injury attorney[/I], or [I]undersecretary of defense[/I], Jew is now the default setting.
I myself was surprised that "Lefkow" would turn out to be devout Episcopalians. Though I have my doubts about the [I]devout[/I], and - knowing that the marrano option is never off the table - I wonder about the second part as well, particularly as regards [B]Mr [/B] Lefkow.
One question: did the same people now huffing and puffing about this (Michael Savage-Weiner's comments on [I]L'Affaire Lefkow [/I] seem to indicate he thinks that having objectionable beliefs and opinions is [I]already [/I] a violation of the Patriot Act) recommend their own imprisonment when they clapped their hands in walrus-happiness when Vince Foster and Ron Brown never got up from [I]their [/I] dirt naps?[/QUOTE]
2005-03-04 03:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Here in South Carolina, I've talked to white people young and old, male and female, including beautiful young females who have all supported my views and agreed with me wholeheartedly.[/QUOTE] Yup. A couple of nutjobs won't magically make the Mexican Invasion of this country socially palatable, or make predatory Blacks seem a little less, well, predatory. Out here on the Left, er, West Coast, lot's of Crackers are getting upset. This is what The Media don't wanna understand.
As far as "The Patriot Act" goes; shit, when did the Federal Government need a Patriot Act to play tyranny? [size=-1]**[size=1]
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2005-03-04 03:55 | User Profile
Matt Hale was a man of some promise. Its a shame he went into the "invent-a-religion" business. People hear that stuff and they automatically think "crackpot." Hale was an intelligent young man. It would have been better for him if years ago he started working with some older, level-headed elder statesmen types rather than starting his own dog and pony show. Although I disagreed with his approach and his references to Jesus Christ as a "Dead Jew on a Stick," I sincerely hope that he dosen't get framed for this one.
2005-03-04 05:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"Lefkow" sounds Jewish because....[/QUOTE] It sounds Jewish because it is Jewish. As a result of intermarriage and conversion, not everyone bearing that name is Jewish, but it is an old Jewish name.
Some examples:
[url]http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ciechanow/m1826-30.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ciechanow/m1836-40.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://www.fau.edu/fautoday/6.01.A2.htm&e=9835[/url]
[url]http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10917897&BRD=2256&PAG=461&dept_id=455823&rfi=6[/url]
2005-03-04 10:16 | User Profile
[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/04/national/04judge.html?th]New York Times[/URL]
Man in Plot to Kill Judge Says Slayings Are 'Heinous' By JODI WILGOREN
Published: March 4, 2005
CHICAGO, March 3 - Matthew Hale, the white supremacist convicted last year of plotting to kill a federal judge, sent a statement through his mother on Thursday condemning the murder of the judge's husband and mother as a "heinous crime" that he had nothing to do with.
Mr. Hale's mother, Evelyn Hutcheson, said her son also told her, in their weekly 15-minute telephone call, that he was moved to a different cell after the slayings were discovered on Monday and that F.B.I. agents had visited the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago to question him and nearby prisoners.
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"There's simply no way that any supporter of mine would commit such a heinous crime," Ms. Hutcheson read from the statement, which she said Mr. Hale had written before calling his parents around 8:45 a.m. "I totally condemn it, and I want the perpetrator caught and prosecuted.
"I only hope they seriously want to apprehend the animal instead of railroading the innocent," his statement continued. "Only an idiot would think I would do this. My sentencing date is April 6."
Mr. Hale, 33, faces up to 40 years in prison for two counts of obstruction of justice and one of soliciting his security chief to assassinate Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow of the United States District Court. Judge Lefkow had ordered him in 2002 to pay $200,000 for violating an Oregon group's trademark on the name World Church of the Creator. He is representing himself and is being held under special measures, reserved for terrorists, that restrict his contact with the outside world, allowing only his parents to visit him, each for an hour, every other week.
"He sounded sad, he's worried, frantic, scared - so many things," Ms. Hutcheson said, adding that Mr. Hale has no television but was monitoring news of the killings through radio. "They've taken him out of his cell where he is working his case. All of his books and papers have been taken away from him after this." She said Mr. Hale had told her the F.B.I. "had been questioning everybody that was on the floor he was on, the other inmates." She added, "a couple of them, he said, they really interrogated them for a long time."
Judge Lefkow found her husband, Michael F. Lefkow, 64, and her mother, Donna Humphrey, 89, shot to death in their basement when she returned home from work on Monday.
Two members of Congress called on Thursday for increased financing to protect federal judges and their families. Judge Lefkow had an extra security detail during Mr. Hale's trial last year, but it was disbanded after a couple of weeks.
"This is an urgent homeland security matter," Representative Jan Schakowsky, a Democrat whose district includes part of Chicago, wrote in a letter to President Bush, saying the $485.9 million allotted for judicial protection in his proposed budget was insufficient. "Federal judges all over the country are in need of protection from terrorism, both foreign and domestic."
Senator Richard J. Durbin, the Illinois Democrat who nominated Judge Lefkow in 2000, said in a letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, "These cruel and cold-blooded killings are attacks not only on two innocent individuals, but on our criminal justice system as well."
Mr. Durbin did not make a specific request, but asked Mr. Gonzales to identify steps to improve safety, including emergency funds for the United States Marshals Service and money to set up security systems at judges' homes.
A spokesman for the marshals service, Dave Sacks, said it would be impossible to put round-the-clock security on the nation's 2,000 federal judges in 400 court facilities. He said as far as he knew, Monday's killings were the first of a judge's relatives, though three judges have been slain in the last 216 years. Mr. Sacks said that federal judges received about 600 security threats a year and that the marshals provided added security, like 24-hour guards, on a case-by-case basis.
"You can never know when is enough and when to back off," Mr. Sacks said. "I'm not going to say that something like this happened because we're underfunded."
Gretchen Ruethling contributed reporting for this article.