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2005-03-01 15:57 | User Profile
[URL=http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20050301/ap_on_re_us/judge_bodies]Judge Finds Spouse, Mom Dead at Ill. Home[/URL]
By DON BABWIN, Associated Press Writer
CHICAGO - A federal judge who was once the target of a failed murder plot by a white supremacist found two bodies in a pool of blood in her basement, and a source said the victims were her husband and her mother.
U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow, 61, found the bodies about 6 p.m. Monday when she returned home from work, police spokesman Pat Camden said.
The source close to the investigation told The Associated Press the victims were Lefkow's husband, attorney Michael F. Lefkow, and her mother, Donna Humphrey, 89, who was visiting from Denver.
Michael Lefkow, 65, and Humphrey were each shot in the head, said the source, who spoke Tuesday on condition of anonymity.
No weapon was found Monday but authorities discovered two .22-caliber shell casings, the Chicago Tribune reported, quoting unidentified sources.
Authorities gave no indication that the deaths were related to the judge's involvement in the case of white supremacist Matthew Hale, who was convicted in April 2004 of soliciting an undercover FBI (news - web sites) informant to kill her.
He is awaiting sentencing on one count of murder solicitation and three counts of obstruction of justice.
Lefkow received police protection after Hale was arrested in 2003. Prosecutors alleged that he was angry because Lefkow ruled that he could no longer use the name World Church of the Creator for his group since another organization had a copyright on that name.
Hale, 33, became notorious in 1999 when a follower, Benjamin Smith, went on a deadly shooting rampage in Illinois and Indiana. Targeting minorities, Smith killed two people, including former Northwestern University basketball coach Ricky Byrdsong, and wounded nine others before killing himself as police closed in.
Hale's reaction to Smith's three-day shooting spree ââ¬â Hale laughed about it and imitated gunfire in secretly recorded tapes played for the jury ââ¬â was part of the prosecution's case last year.
Members of a Chicago police forensics team could be seen inside the two-story Lefkow home on the city's North Side late Monday evening wearing white clothing and surgical-style headgear.
FBI spokesman Ross Rice confirmed that agents had been called in to help with the investigation but provided no further details. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office, said he would have no comment.
The Lefkows were active in the Episcopal church.
"This is a real shock. I'm really saddened and outraged. I hope the people responsible will be apprehended soon," said William Persell, bishop of the Chicago Diocese of the Episcopal Church.
Neighbors described the Lefkows as a model family. "This is someone who adored his daughters," Nan Sullivan said. "They were the kind of family everyone aspires to be, very close-knit, very supportive."
Hale never testified during his two-week trial. His defense attorney, Thomas Anthony Durkin, called no witnesses, saying the prosecution's evidence was the weakest he had seen in a major case.
A key witness, Anthony Evola, testified he secretly taped Hale for the FBI while posing as a follower. Among the conversations were ones in which they discussed the judge.
"Are we gonna exterminate the rat?" Evola can be heard asking Hale, who responds a short time later: "I'm going to fight within the law and, but, ... if you wish to, ah, do anything, yourself, you can."
The defense argued that Hale never asked anyone to kill the judge and that the FBI used Evola to draw him into a murder plot.
Lefkow, 61, served as a federal magistrate and a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge before President Clinton (news - web sites) nominated her for the District Court bench in 2000.
Michael Lefkow was a graduate of North Central College in Naperville and earned a law degree from Northwestern University. The two married in 1975, and he ran unsuccessfully for Cook County judge in 2002, according the Tribune.
2005-03-01 16:15 | User Profile
This is why I no longer read newspapers. There is no indication at all that Matt Hale or anyone connected to him had anything to do with this, but the reporter had to drag it into the story.
2005-03-01 16:45 | User Profile
CHICAGO - A federal judge who was the target of a death plot by a jailed white supremacist returned to her home on Monday to find two people dead inside, police said. - MSNBC News Services [url]http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7048415/[/url] [IMG]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050301/050301_lefkow_hmed_5a.hmedium.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Courier New][SIZE=2]Investigators examine the scene of a double homicide at the home of Federal Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow, in Chicago on Monday.[/SIZE][/FONT]
2005-03-01 16:54 | User Profile
Considering Hale was royally screwed, he would have some motive.
2005-03-02 00:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stanley]This is why I no longer read newspapers. There is no indication at all that Matt Hale or anyone connected to him had anything to do with this, but the reporter had to drag it into the story.[/QUOTE] yeah, you just have to love how they twist the story in such a way to try to make people believe that Matt hale, or someone connected to him did this, without actually saying that. First off a judge of this type is bound to make enemies, and some powerful ones at that. Also just the fact that the husband, who was one of the actual murder victims, was an attorney, certainly gives him a list of enemies as well. And then what about the first people generally suspected in these types of cases, other family members, friends,etc. Those who knew the victims, personally.
2005-03-02 00:45 | User Profile
I have no commonality with Hale or his WCOTC goony-bird 'religion' so I could care less who did what to whom. However it must be said that World Churchites have this tendency to favor killing sprees as 'solutions' to their problems. If so, good luck - Hale will never see the light of day after this.
That said, [I]good [/I] for Lefkow....now she knows what the families of Kris Kime, and the Wichita Four, and 100,000 nameless other white victims of the government's largesse towards predators has gone through. This is what it's like to be judged and condemned in a kangaroo court, Ms Lefkow. About time the Kevlar vest was stripped from our elites.
[I]Today [/I] you are a white person, Judge Lefcow! [I]Mazel tov![/I]
2005-03-02 01:12 | User Profile
Are these the words they ultimately based the "murder solicitation" charge on?
[QUOTE] Are we gonna exterminate the rat?" Evola can be heard asking Hale, who responds a short time later: "I'm going to fight within the law and, but, ... if you wish to, ah, do anything, yourself, you can." [/QUOTE] This does not sound like someone ordering a hit.
2005-03-02 01:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]Considering Hale was royally screwed, he would have some motive.[/QUOTE] If you conspire to kill someone, especially a judge, I think life in prison is too good a sentence. Especially when it was over something so trivial as an organization name.
2005-03-02 01:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]If you conspire to kill someone, especially a judge, I think life in prison is too good a sentence. [/QUOTE] I feel the need to ask why you say, "especially a judge." Why does a judge's murder, or attempted murder, so to speak, hold some type of special distinction for you?:confused:
I am not trying to nit-pick your words,:tongue: but I just thought this was a strange statement.
2005-03-02 02:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Are these the words they ultimately based the "murder solicitation" charge on?
Yes. There were some other remarks as well, but they were all equivalently ambiguous (at best, from the prosecution's standpoint).
[QUOTE=starr]This does not sound like someone ordering a hit.[/QUOTE]
That's because it pretty clearly isn't. Matt Hale is a boorish, unpleasant buffoon who is possibly evil, and probably insane. He has also repeatedly gotten the serious shaft from our treasonous regime. He may be one of the earlier victims of this particular aspect of the vengeful fury of our Talmudic masters of the governmental puppets here in the USA, quite possibly because he's so unsympathetic, but he's just the warm up act for when they go after David Duke for more than 16 months, or for Kevin Alfred Strom, Jared Taylor, Don Black, or even Joseph Sobran, or perhaps me, or you, or your kid, or mine.
We don't have to like Matt Hale to note the fact that his imprisonment is an unConstitutional, tyrannical travesty in direct contravention of all the ancient standards of Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, thus I am forced, somewhat reluctantly, but with firm and confident resolve, to say thusly: ***FREE MATT HALE![/B][/I]
2005-03-02 02:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]I feel the need to ask why you say, "especially a judge." Why does a judge's murder, or attempted murder, so to speak, hold some type of special distinction for you?:confused:
I am not trying to nit-pick your words,:tongue: but I just thought this was a strange statement.[/QUOTE]
I believe he is referring to the fact that our system (both the authentic, Constitutional system under which we are alleged to be living, as well as the Talmudic dictatorship we actually find ourselves) can not function if judges can not be secure in their own physical safety when they make unpopular decisions. If so, he's entirely correct. As far as I'm concerned, mere attempted murder of a judge should warrant the death penalty. One of the reasons the USA has so long been a more desirable place to live than, oh, say, Brazil, or Mexico, is that Donald Trump or Louis Farrakhan would be very hard pressed to murder with impunity any judge who displeased them. Colombian judges, for example, get splattered like eggs at an omelette cook-off, and we know what a functional society Colombia is....
2005-03-02 02:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]I have no commonality with Hale or his WCOTC goony-bird 'religion' so I could care less who did what to whom. However it must be said that World Churchites have this tendency to favor killing sprees as 'solutions' to their problems. If so, good luck - Hale will never see the light of day after this.
That said, [I]good [/I] for Lefkow....now she knows what the families of Kris Kime, and the Wichita Four, and 100,000 nameless other white victims of the government's largesse towards predators has gone through. This is what it's like to be judged and condemned in a kangaroo court, Ms Lefkow. About time the Kevlar vest was stripped from our elites.
[I]Today [/I] you are a white person, Judge Lefcow! [I]Mazel tov![/I][/QUOTE]
The crap in the media is truly disgusting. Hale is a nutcase loser, but our objective fourth estate is showing some colors here. I caught, for once, O'Reilly's swill tonight wherein he all but indicted Hale and all "white supremacist" groups for this terrible crime. Of course, the damage done by the print and video news media is aimed at any possible portrayals of the universally understood "white" designation in a positive light. Hale is serving his purpose; his nutty ravings have drawn the Bernays-flavored whirlwind.
All that said, I think your comments above are reprehensible. Honorable folks do not rejoice in the tragedy of others. I hope you'll withdraw your comments, for they reflect poorly on any who participate on this board.
And may God be with the Lefkow family in their hour of need.
2005-03-02 02:36 | User Profile
Just for the record (and I certainly have NO inside knowledge of any aspect of this double homocide), I strongly suspect WCOTC zealots did these killings, and intended to have Judge Lefkow be present as well, thus making it an attempt at a triple homocide. I do not believe, however, that Matt Hale ordered these two murders to happen, and I don't believe he should be treated as if he's some sort of prime suspect, rather than just a victim of a police state that uses his dementia to advance their legal precedents.
2005-03-02 02:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]I feel the need to ask why you say, "especially a judge." Why does a judge's murder, or attempted murder, so to speak, hold some type of special distinction for you?:confused:
I am not trying to nit-pick your words,:tongue: but I just thought this was a strange statement.[/QUOTE] Judges, police, politicians, etc., are an important and integral part of an orderly society. Targeting a judge, and to a lesser extent a politician or cop, is essentially targeting me, my friends and family, and everyone else in society. I don't want anarchy or a less orderly and less civilized society, so if some emotionally-disordered punk can't handle a simple court ruling and with a bit of bravado intimates about retaliating against a judge, I say come down on him with the most extreme ruthlessness.
2005-03-02 02:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]I believe he is referring to the fact that our system (both the authentic, Constitutional system under which we are alleged to be living, as well as the Talmudic dictatorship we actually find ourselves) can not function if judges can not be secure in their own physical safety when they make unpopular decisions. If so, he's entirely correct. As far as I'm concerned, mere attempted murder of a judge should warrant the death penalty. One of the reasons the USA has so long been a more desirable place to live than, oh, say, Brazil, or Mexico, is that Donald Trump or Louis Farrakhan would be very hard pressed to murder with impunity any judge who displeased them. Colombian judges, for example, get splattered like eggs at an omelette cook-off, and we know what a functional society Colombia is....[/QUOTE] Exactly. This is the point I wanted to make, but you said it much better and more cogently.
2005-03-02 02:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Just for the record (and I certainly have NO inside knowledge of any aspect of this double homocide), I strongly suspect WCOTC zealots did these killings, and intended to have Judge Lefkow be present as well, thus making it an attempt at a triple homocide. .[/QUOTE] Well, if that is true, they certainly didn't plan it too well. You would think that if people are planning to commit a murder or murders where their focus was on a specific person, they would make sure, before they act, the person they want to kill is present. That is why I suspect, if this was not a random act of violence, the husband was the actual target.
2005-03-02 03:43 | User Profile
Who knows. It's just too much of a connection for anti-white media to ignore, never mind how many enemies a federal judge collects over the years. Rest assured the SPLC and friends will make the most of this possible connection between white advocacy and violence. Great. Just what white folks need.
But speaking of shaky evidence... anyone who cares to read the murder solicitation statute can see that Hale didn't meet the standard. He heard a federal-plant agent provocateur propose a murder, and his first response was, "I want to keep things legal..." And then said something like, well, you gotta do what you gotta do, or some such. But that's not conspiring to commit a crime. That's hearing someone announce an intention -- or desire -- and excluding yourself from the plan.
2005-03-02 03:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln] But speaking of shaky evidence... anyone who cares to read the murder solicitation statute can see that Hale didn't meet the standard. He heard a federal-plant agent provocateur propose a murder, and his first response was, "I want to keep things legal..." And then said something like, well, you gotta do what you gotta do, or some such. But that's not conspiring to commit a crime. That's hearing someone announce an intention -- or desire -- and excluding yourself from the plan.[/QUOTE]exactly. What I took out of what he said, was basically that he didn't want to do anything illegal and that this "fed" could do what he wanted, but that he had no part in what he did. That is, in no way, "solicitation of murder" Which then greatly puts a dent in any kind of suspicion in Hale's involvement in these murders. Since there is then no real evidence that he actually solicited the murder of this judge, in the past, which most of the media keeps harping on.
I was surprised, though, that Bill O'reilly hinted around that this was a highly unlikely motive.
2005-03-02 04:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stanley]This is why I no longer read newspapers. There is no indication at all that Matt Hale or anyone connected to him had anything to do with this, but the reporter had to drag it into the story.[/QUOTE]
You got it Stanley, at one time Uncle Sam try to tie me to the death of JFK only because I used to belong a a group of mercs. lucky for me I was in Korea at the time so all they did was to get eggs on their faces.
2005-03-02 04:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot] I caught, for once, O'Reilly's swill tonight wherein he all but indicted Hale and all "white supremacist" groups for this terrible crime. [/QUOTE] I didn't watch the whole segment so you must have saw something I didn't. I got a much different impression from what I saw, and O'reilly's comments. I guess I will have to catch it again later. I would have suspected that he would spew something more along the lines of what you are saying. So, maybe I am wrong.
2005-03-02 04:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]You got it Stanley, at one time Uncle Sam try to tie me to the death of JFK only because I used to belong a a group of mercs. lucky for me I was in Korea at the time so all they did was to get eggs on their faces.[/QUOTE] LOL. Was this the "cuban exiles" they always talk about in relation to the JFK assassination?
2005-03-02 04:23 | User Profile
Deleted. Something stinks about this case and that O'Reilly segment.
2005-03-02 04:33 | User Profile
Ponce
I will bit your life from 1950-1970 would make a good book! [QUOTE]You got it Stanley, at one time Uncle Sam try to tie me to the death of JFK only because I used to belong a a group of mercs. lucky for me I was in Korea at the time so all they did was to get eggs on their faces.[/QUOTE]
2005-03-02 04:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Deleted. Something stinks about this case and that O'Reilly segment.[/QUOTE] You're quite right. The particulars of this case have been warped out of reality. Of course... O'Reilly is "stirring it up..." as usual.
Last time I checked... Matt Hale's venom was a result of not being able to practice law. I doubt seriously that the copyright issue was the focal point of his ill will toward the judge. I'll have to recheck the particulars of this case... but it seems our adversaries have already decided what they wish the general public to believe.
:smoke:
2005-03-02 05:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]I didn't watch the whole segment so you must have saw something I didn't. I got a much different impression from what I saw, and O'reilly's comments. I guess I will have to catch it again later. I would have suspected that he would spew something more along the lines of what you are saying. So, maybe I am wrong.[/QUOTE]
Being on the road this week I'm violating the family TV taboo to some degree, if only to replace the kid's noises with mind-invading background rumble. Anyway, O'Reilly only used the disclaimers you apparently saw to (in my opinion) establish the tired fair/balanced disclaimer before using innuendo and slander against Hale/"supremacists"/"extremists". Hale isn't the point- Fox is using this opportunity just as Netanyahu used 9/11. Even Lou Dobbs later in the evening was slogging the "white supremacist" tie to the murders, all without even the most rudimentary connection.
It may turn out that some nutjob Hale supporter did this. Could be that Hale would have supported it, though the trial testimony that I've seen doesn't suggest he was soliciting for murder at all, which suggests that he was railroaded with malice intended. Still, it could be that Hale did order this. Yet even that unlikely eventuality wouldn't hide the fact that the media has once again grabbed at straws to support their SPLC/ADL agenda, and objectivity be damned. Note how the lead investigator in the Wichita murder case (no, not the one where the white kids were slaughtered...) is waving off the media in order to protect the case, and compare/contrast until nausea sets in.
It's pile-on time, and the freaks have left the good guys with kids, mortages and bankruptcy-free credit reports holding the bag. Just as our managers at PNAC-America intended...
2005-03-02 05:16 | User Profile
Phantasm,
That's right. It was originally about not being allowed to practice law.
2005-03-02 05:18 | User Profile
No doubt the power elites will assign some Big Black Hero to the case, a la Chief Moose and the black cop currently heading the BTK investigations, thus symbolizing for all to see the triumph of Good (=Negro) over Evil (=White Man). :thumbd:
2005-03-02 13:06 | User Profile
Hale is still appealing his conviction so I doubt he would order this. I never liked Hale either, for the record, although I was getting ready to mail off to his father $20. Probably pointless now.
2005-03-02 13:35 | User Profile
Hey, I might out we have no idea what is going on... This could the work of Mexican Drugloads or some urban Afro gang. We just do not know...
2005-03-02 13:45 | User Profile
If the truth comes out and it's not Hale some Fox commentators are going to have egg on their face.
2005-03-02 13:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]If the truth comes out and it's not Hale some Fox commentators are going to have egg on their face.[/QUOTE] It will be just like when hate crimes turn out to be hoaxes. It won't matter that it is not 'technically' true, because it points out the 'reality of the dangers of racism in our society', etc. etc.
2005-03-02 14:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=weisbrot]It may turn out that some nutjob Hale supporter did this. Could be that Hale would have supported it, though the trial testimony that I've seen doesn't suggest he was soliciting for murder at all, which suggests that he was railroaded with malice intended. Still, it could be that Hale did order this.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and even if Hale IS a con-conspirator in these two murders, and the driving force behind them, and despite the fact he is a generally loathsome and probably imbalanced man, never-the-less, he's still a person who exists on a relative plane of decency that is a good deal higher than anything Abraham Foxman, Benyamin Netanyahu or Jonah Goldberg can ever hope to aspire to. He's a repugnant little nutjob who imagines he's on our side, which isn't nearly so bad as the sort of people who are our principal opponents, even if he is a multiple murderer (which I very much doubt, despite the very real possibility a vengeful cell comprised of ex-WCOTC members perpetrated these killings).
2005-03-02 18:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Hale is still appealing his conviction so I doubt he would order this. .[/QUOTE] Yeah, he would have to be rather stupid to do something like this now.
2005-03-03 00:34 | User Profile
I haven't retracted my statements because it will turn out that this was either a b&e, compounded to a double murder (in the Chicago area there is no shortage of predatory black criminals, and the murder rate there has been going [I]up [/I] for some time now) or the handiwork of a family member/"friend" - 99% of such crimes generally come down to one or the other.
The idea that this was a revenge killing carried out by a white-supremacy gang - though it's the sort of what-if that has Chertoff clapping his hands with glee at the prospect of rounding up the usual suspects - is pretty friggin' remote. For one thing, it would spell the end of the WCOTC and a number of related retard-"religions" like it. It's possible that a Ben Smith clone did it, though I have trouble believing anybody would be so stupid as to seek 'revenge' while the authorities are still holding your Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler, unless the idea is [I]victory through 200-year prison sentences[/I]. But you can never underestimate the volatility of some people once God and the Bible enter the equation.....after all, when it comes to religion, everybody's an 'expert' (vide the Dual Seedline insanity).
But you know what? Dollars to doughnuts this is gonna turn out to be two jigs who thought the place was empty and burglar-friendly, and then panicked when they discovered otherwise. Particularly if there was little or no cash on the premises.
And if it does turn out to be Carr Brothers Redux, I still say 'good!' The only reason America has six locks on the front door and Carr Brothers in every quadrant is [I]not enough [/I] judges and politicians have been skewered on the knife-point of the 'diversity' they've shoved down the rest of our throats.
Trust me....if, God forbid, you came home to find your family massacred...there'd be no national headlines, or rounding up of extremists. Al Sharpton will [I]not [/I] be detained for questioning; newspaper columnists will [I]not [/I] be running file photos of the Carrs in a sidebar. If the evidence pointed to "urban youths", your story would go unreported outside of the local pennysaver.
Btw....no matter how this story plays out....it'll be WN wackos by the time this becomes the season-premiere episode of LAW AND ORDER this fall. If they can subtract the Hmong out of the Hmong-shooter case, they can and will inject white skinheads into Jamaal-and-Cleotis-go-window-shopping-in-the-northern-suburbs.
2005-03-03 01:32 | User Profile
Hale is convicted of contracting to have this federal judge murdered and a little while later her husband and mother are killed in her home, possibly execution style, and some of you don't expect the media to connect the dots?
The media would be entirely unprofessional not to include the fact that the leader of a white supremacist group is about to be sentenced for contracting to kill this very judge.
If this wasn't Hale's group, it was an incredible coincidence. It's not like federal judges and their families are killed regularly.
2005-03-03 01:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE] [QUOTE=random]Hale is convicted of contracting to have this federal judge murdered and a little while later her husband and mother are killed in her home, possibly execution style, and some of you don't expect the media to connect the dots?
The media would be entirely unprofessional not to include the fact that the leader of a white supremacist group is about to be sentenced for contracting to kill this very judge. [/QUOTE] You need to go back and read the words that helped to convict Hale on "solicitation of murder", I do not think they fit that definition. And if they don't, then that connection, the media keeps talking about is basically meaningless.
[QUOTE] If this wasn't Hale's group, it was an incredible coincidence. It's not like federal judges and their families are killed regularly. [/QUOTE] No, that is not a real common occurence, but I would think it is quite safe to assume that a federal judge and her attorney husband may have aquired a few enemies. It just doesn't make sense, that if Hale or anyone connected to him wanted to kill this judge, why they instead killed her husband and mother and left her alive. This could go in any direction, but if I was investigating this case, I would start with the dead husband's enemies and aquaintances,etc. I think that is where you will most likely find the killer or killers.
2005-03-03 02:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Hale is convicted of contracting to have this federal judge murdered and a little while later her husband and mother are killed in her home, possibly execution style, and some of you don't expect the media to connect the dots?[/QUOTE]
It would be swell if you could [B]un[/B]connect dots that have been carefully pre-connected for you.
Hale was prompted - asked outright, he did [I]not [/I] initiate the topic - about killing Lefkow by [B]a Fed plant[/B]. He responded, "[I]I'm [/I] doing this legally, [I]you[/I] can do whatever the hell you want".
Wacko he may be, but he's also a trained lawyer. And the likelihood that he would cross a line like that with his persecutors listening in is [I]ludicrous[/I].
It's less reasonable than the idea that - now that Israeli agent/rabbi's son Michael Chertoff is running the DOJ - some sacrificial lamb would be required to begin the process of cruysahing dissent, policing the internet, closing down message boards just like this one, and criminalizing their patrons. And what more appealing sacrifice, to a Jew, than a couple of Episcopal dummies who wilingly drink the Kool-Aid of multiculturalism to further their careers?
While I doubt that scenario, I find it eminently as or more believable than the [I]Hale sent ninjas to do it [/I] one favored by the media, the Jews, and the sorts of 'racialists' who feel compelled to take public bows for their opposition to any rhetoric that singles out Jews for opprobrium.
When this is all over with, it's gonna be two moolies or a cokehead ex-boyfriend of one of the daughters.
2005-03-03 02:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr][QUOTE]
You need to go back and read the words that helped to convict Hale on "solicitation of murder", I do not think they fit that definition. And if they don't, then that connection, the media keeps talking about is basically meaningless.[/Quote] No, I don't because I'm talking about the the job of the media. Hale was convicted; that's all the media needs to know. For the media's purposes, he is guilty. They have no obligation to go over the court transcripts and retry them while they're writing a story about a possible connection between his conviction of contracting to kill a judge and that judge's family being murdered.
No, that is not a real common occurence, but I would think it is quite safe to assume that a federal judge and her attorney husband may have aquired a few enemies. It just doesn't make sense, that if Hale or anyone connected to him wanted to kill this judge, why they instead killed her husband and mother and left her alive. This could go in any direction, but if I was investigating this case, I would start with the dead husband's enemies and aquaintances,etc. I think that is where you will most likely find the killer or killers.[/QUOTE] And might one of those enemies be the guy who was just convicted of contracting to kill the judge? I don't find it particularly relevant that the husband and mother were killed and not the judge. Surely, she would have been killed had she been there. It seems likely that someone allied with Hale went there to kill the judge and found the other 2 instead. Why waste a trip? This is far more likely than some former client of the husband who was holding a grudge.
The bottomline is that it's irritating to visit this board and see people calling the media biased over this. This is one clear instance where the media rightly named white supremacists.
2005-03-03 02:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=random]
And might one of those enemies be the guy who was just convicted of contracting to kill the judge? I don't find it particularly relevant that the husband and mother were killed and not the judge. Surely, she would have been killed had she been there. It seems likely that someone allied with Hale went there to kill the judge and found the other 2 instead. Why waste a trip? This is far more likely than some former client of the husband who was holding a grudge.
.[/QUOTE] Like I said earlier, if this was any type of well planned hit, with the Judge, as the target, they would have made sure she was there when they did it. That would not be difficult to do.
2005-03-03 02:43 | User Profile
Again, I don't care if Hale was justly or unjustly convicted. I don't have the time nor the desire to bother reading the court transcipts. The bottomline is that he was convicted and the media has every right and duty to make the rather obvious connection that his group might be involved.
And I'm sorry, I don't buy into the whole omnipotent Jew thing. To state that it is just as likely that Jews conspired to frame Hale by killing the Lefkows as it is that Hale's group did it is positively ridiculous. Get out of your bunker and join the real world. White supremacists of Hale's ilk are nutjobs and whether or not Hale is guilty, we know that some of his buddies already posted the Lefkows' personal information, ostensibly, with the hope that someone would harass or even kill them.
2005-03-03 02:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Like I said earlier, if this was any type of well planned hit, with the Judge, as the target, they would have made sure she was there when they did it. That would not be difficult to do.[/QUOTE] My guess is that these idiots aren't capable of a well thought out plan. They probably scouted for a few days and noticed she was always home at that time. This particular night, she wasn't.
He'll be caught within a couple weeks and I'm almost sure it will be someone connected to Hale's group. Then, I can come on here and read about how it was really a Mossad agent, and the nutty white supremacist is just a convenient scapegoat. We all know the FBI and our local law enforcement all take their orders direct from Tel Aviv.
2005-03-03 02:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE]And I'm sorry, I don't buy into the whole omnipotent Jew thing. To state that it is just as likely that Jews conspired to frame Hale by killing the Lefkows as it is that Hale's group did it is positively ridiculous. Get out of your bunker and join the real world.[/QUOTE]
The way you buy into the one where [I]social misfits who never leave the bunker [/I] are equal on the Omnipotence Chart with [I]wealthy and influential Jews who have infiltrated every institution by deliberate design[/I]?
I love 'moderates', who insist Michael Chertoff and Murray Rothstein have no actual power, but Martin Lindstedt and Matt Hale [I]probably [/I] have shadow armies at their beck and call.
2005-03-03 02:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]The way you buy into the one where social misfits who never leave the bunker are equal on the Omnipotence Chart with wealthy and influential Jews who have infiltrated every institution by deliberate design.
I love 'moderates', who insist Michael Chertoff and Murray Rothstein have no actual power, but Martin Lindstedt and Matt Hale probably have shadow armies at their beck and call.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about armies? He runs a group of nutjobs who surely are capable of driving to Chicago and murdering a defenseless elderly man and even more elderly woman.
You're right. I have a choice. I can buy that the Jews control everything and systematically destroy every marginal group that is even a conceivable threat to their power by framing them for heinous crimes. Or I can take the much more plausible position and believe that a fringe group that already has implicitly threatened to kill the judge is responsible.
I'm just not quite ready to concede that there is such a fantastic Jewish conspiracy that they are able to completely keep everyone in the dark or quiet about it. I don't know... maybe you believe in the Matrix too.
2005-03-03 02:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=random]My guess is that these idiots aren't capable of a well thought out plan. They probably scouted for a few days and noticed she was always home at that time. This particular night, she wasn't.
[/QUOTE] The story is that she returned home on Monday at 6:00 p.m. and found the bodies. I think, they are speculating that the murders occured some time between 10:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. or something similar to that. I would assume that most people would at least be aware that any of those particular hours would not be the best time frame to catch someone, at home, who works as a judge.
2005-03-03 03:01 | User Profile
And an attorney normally wouldn't be home then either. So I'm as confused as you. I just don't know why everyone seems to be trying to avoid the obvious... that Hale's group is most likely responsible. Is there a chance that this is a coincidence? Absolutely, but it's far more likely that it isn't.
This is another way to refute Il ragno's conspiracy theories. If the Jews are so mighty and sophisticated, why didn't they cover all their bases and make sure the judge herself was killed and that it was clearly done by white supremacists? Why not throw in a bloody swastika on the wall... that would've sealed the deal.
2005-03-03 03:25 | User Profile
Two things,
Number 1: Hale is appealing his conviction. He certainly did not order this hit.
Number 2: If an assassin snuck into the house to await his victim why did he leave before she came home?
The time frame is all wrong for a hit, but it is perfect for a daytime robbery.
2005-03-03 03:39 | User Profile
Was anything taken from the house?
I doubt Hale ordered the hit. I'm confident that someone wanted to avenge him.
2005-03-03 03:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=random]Was anything taken from the house?
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I don't know. But street punks might lose their nerve after a double murder. I will say this, a .22 [I]is[/I] an assassin's weapon of choise. Most street punks favor larger calibers.
Why did a Federal judge live in such a downtrodden house?
I agree with il Ragno, when all is said and done the crime will be random.
2005-03-03 03:52 | User Profile
Listen. My point is that "it's obviously Nazis" is as far-fetched as "it's obviously Jews".
99% of the time, these things shake out two ways. [B]Home invasion/burglary [/B] or [B]someone known to the victims[/B]. Burglary looks good as it's actually easier pickings robbing people who aren't home than robbing them while they sleep. As I understand, time of death appears to be around 2 pm which means that not even schoolkids would be home yet...the [I]best [/I] time to rob the house; while it's empty.
And if it ain't burglary, start looking at family, friends, business associates, etc.
2005-03-03 06:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE] [URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7048415/[/URL]
... [SIZE=3]A shard of glass, a fingerprint[/SIZE] A federal source who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity said a shard of broken glass from a broken window in the Lefkow home contained a fingerprint and was flown to Washington for examination. The source said police also were analyzing a bloody footprint left at the home. ...[/QUOTE] The authorities should be able to wrap this up quickly.
I'm interested to see how all the media speculators back-pedal once the facts are known.
:hitler:
2005-03-03 13:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]When this is all over with, it's gonna be two moolies or a cokehead ex-boyfriend of one of the daughters.[/QUOTE]
The sketches of the suspects/"persons of interest" (when did we become so PC we can't even call a murder suspect a "suspect?") released by the Chicago PD clearly show two White men (or just possibly two Jews). The younger of the two looks rather like a WCOTC-type, somehow, for whatever infinitesimal amount that subjective observation is worth....
2005-03-03 13:55 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]Like I said earlier, if this was any type of well planned hit, with the Judge, as the target, they would have made sure she was there when they did it. That would not be difficult to do.[/QUOTE]
I don't find it particularly difficult to imagine that Ben Smith's ex-con, Linderite drinking buddies may have simply been unaware of the residential status of the mother, and thus moved in with the assumption that Judge Lefkow was home. Its not like we're talking about some sort of underground arm of dedicated fanatics ala a sort of rogue National Alliance, or armed wing of the BNP. We're talking about a pack of dim-witted ex-cons who would eventually get sent back to the joint for a life stretch anyway (in their defense, the few jobs such people can hope to hold have all been assigned to foreigners, and no longer pay enough to support anythink akin to even a modest, working class American lifestle, in most cases, which just might have a wee little something to do with why they came to embrace some lunatic version of National-Socialism-the-literal-Religion in the first place, it should be noted).
2005-03-03 14:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=random]This is another way to refute Il ragno's conspiracy theories. If the Jews are so mighty and sophisticated, why didn't they cover all their bases and make sure the judge herself was killed and that it was clearly done by white supremacists? Why not throw in a bloody swastika on the wall... that would've sealed the deal.[/QUOTE]
A very solid point; the Mossad would have likely gone the extra mile to further the idiot-White-Nationalist stereotype by painting (in blood) something really stupid on the living room walls, such as "Hail Hale!"
2005-03-03 14:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Hale is appealing his conviction. He certainly did not order this hit.[/QUOTE]
Hale is also being sentenced in about six weeks, and is being held incommunicado as a "domestic terrorist," under orders from then-Attorney General John [url=http://www.toadalamode.com/ashcroft.html]"Let The Eagle Soar"[/url] Ashcroft. Its pretty much self-evident that Hale didn't order this crime, but that hardly rules out various WCOTC zealots (who probably share Ashcroft's aversion to playing "Go Fish" with your grandkids), whom are disproportonately found within the state of Illinois.
2005-03-03 18:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]A very solid point; the Mossad would have likely gone the extra mile to further the idiot-White-Nationalist stereotype by painting (in blood) something really stupid on the living room walls, such as "Hail Hale!"[/QUOTE]LOL. yeah, I could almost see if this was some sort of "false flag operation", that the crime scene would be reminiscent of the Manson family murders.:shocking:
2005-03-04 01:46 | User Profile
Sorry for the bold, but:
[B]Need I remind everyone here who the whole world was seeking to pin the DC sniper murders to?[/B]
And the gummy, nameless panic of [I]Now they're gonna come after us [/I] that accompanied those first few weeks of extremist-bashing?
Thank you!
2005-03-04 03:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Sorry for the bold, but:
[B]Need I remind everyone here who the whole world was seeking to pin the DC sniper murders to?[/B] ...[/QUOTE] Yeah... I remember. That story just seemed to fade away in matter of days after the identity of the two limp-wristed blacks was disclosed. Remember how every psychologist and "expert" was doing the talk show and news circuit at the time? I recall that the psychological profile was that of an "angry White male..."
:nerd:
2005-03-04 17:18 | User Profile
I haven't been able to get any solid corroboration, but earlier this morning, I heard someone say that Judge Lefkow is also the judge who is assigned the Plame Affair matter; the investigation is supposedly being run out of Chicago by the Chicago US Attorney ... NOT DC.
Anyone here heard of this?
I'm going to keep trying to find something that can substantiate this. If true, it would be an interesting twist, huh?
2005-03-04 18:32 | User Profile
FWIW, Here is Sherman Skolnick's take on the matter:
Article: [url]http://www.rense.com/general63/dcwho.htm[/url]
Sherman's home page: [url]http://www.skolnicksreport.com/[/url]
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### xmetalhead
*2005-03-04 18:59* | [User Profile](/od/user/80)
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]FWIW, Here is Sherman Skolnick's take on the matter:
Article: [url]http://www.rense.com/general63/dcwho.htm[/url]
Sherman's home page: [url]http://www.skolnicksreport.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
BK, Skolnick's theory is serious and believable, yet sordid and twisted, giving the theory even more weight. I hope the truth spreads so innocent men aren't penalized so unfairly and the real perpetrators are caught.
2005-03-04 20:51 | User Profile
So a murder solicitation charge was pinned on Hale to provide cover for subsequent efforts to control Judge Lefkow? I guess that makes as much sense as anything. What a terrible ordeal she's going through.
2005-03-04 21:18 | User Profile
[color=red]Lefkow murders -- $50,000 reward for tips[/color] [img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050302/050302_chicagoJudge_Sketches.h2.jpg[/img] [font=Courier New][size=2]Authorities on Wednesday released sketches of two men seen near the home of [/size][/font] [font=Courier New][size=2]U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow before her husband and mother were found murdered[/size].[/font] [font=Courier New][/font] CHICAGO - The FBI announced a $50,000 reward Friday for information leading to the identification of anyone involved in the slayings of a federal judge's husband and mother, saying it hoped the money could inspire help from criminals or others who might keep quiet otherwise.
No one has been declared a suspect in the slayings, and "we don't know at this time who did this murder," FBI Special Agent Robert Grant said in announcing the award.
[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7088612/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7088612/[/url]
2005-03-05 01:48 | User Profile
Wow.
[url]http://www.rense.com/general63/dcwho.htm[/url]
2005-03-05 02:11 | User Profile
Kevin, the information in that Rense article is full of bs.
2005-03-05 02:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]Kevin, the information in that Rense article is full of bs.[/QUOTE]
Would you please elaborate a bit? I already recommeded my father read the article, and I don't want to start rescinding recommendations based on so little info. Thanks.
2005-03-05 02:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE]... Someone high, high up in the U.S. government leaked out documents blowing the cover of Valerie Plame. The result was that many of her 70 CIA agent team were identified and murdered. That is treason subject to extreme penalties under federal criminal provisions. ...[/QUOTE] Mr. Skolnick may have stumbled onto something here. This is exactly what happened as a result of Jonathan Pollard's treasonous activities. Many of our European operatives were killed when their covers were blown.
I'm not sure about the ââ¬Åwhorehouse connection...ââ¬Â but Valerie Plame's ordeal is certainly a point of interest.
:smoke:
2005-03-05 03:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Kevin_O'Keeffe]Would you please elaborate a bit? I already recommeded my father read the article, and I don't want to start rescinding recommendations based on so little info. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Skolnick (Jew?) says,
"...Matt Hale, a white supremacist who reportedly had members of his group, World Church of the Creator, some years ago inflict murderous violence on several blacks and Jews in Chicago."
He is accusing Hale of ordering the murders Ben Smith committed. This is misinformation.
Then he comes on with this sentence which implies that Judge Lefkow punished Hale for Ben Smith's rampage.
"District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow had several years ago punished Hale. Later, Hale was accused of plotting to kill Judge Lefkow."
Once again, BS.
Skolnick goes on to say,
"Federal criminally prosecuted for so plotting, Hale was found guilty and since 2003 was locked up..."
Not one mention of the fact that Hale was set-up by a Federal informer, who in fact is the one who plotted to kill Lefkow. This is not accurate reporting.
2005-03-05 03:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Bardamu]... Not one mention of the fact that Hale was set-up by a Federal informer, who in fact is the one who plotted to kill Lefkow. This is not accurate reportage.[/QUOTE] This is true. However, these subversives love to throw in a little truth with their BS. I just wonder if the Valerie Plame tidbit is true?
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