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Thread ID: 17022 | Posts: 44 | Started: 2005-02-28
2005-02-28 20:35 | User Profile
There is a tendancy, due in part to the fact that are numbers are so few, to welcome anyone or group who claims to be "pro-white." Unfortunately there are many, many out there who do nothing but provide the media with ammunition against decent whites. It is time to stop embracing elements that are discrediting "white pride."
Some of the extreme examples are people like Alex Linder, Richard Barret, Tom Metzger, and prison-oriented gangs like Nazi Low-Riders and Soldiers of Aryan Future (or whatever the heck they are called). I think Hal Turner has pretty much deemed himself a nutjob here recently also.
The issue is, when are we going to clean the "movement" up and start drawing some lines as to what is acceptable representation of "pro-white."
I David Duke is a heor to many on this board. Think about this. David Duke was once a klansman and wore nazi uniforms. He grew out of it and is now one of the most well known white racial leaders in the world and has a general sense of respect from conservative whites. The KKK and nazis do not command any sense of respect from conservative whites, but are shunned by virtually everyone.
Many others have grown out of the klan and nazi thing and have become respected activists in our communities.
It's time to rise above the level of Hollywood movies.
2005-02-28 20:47 | User Profile
I am not a "pro-white" but I am a anti-Zionist.
The enemies of my enemies are my friends. you people better learn to fight the strongest enemie first before it gets stronger, forget about Ponce for now.....ill be around for a while.
2005-02-28 21:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]There is a tendancy, due in part to the fact that are numbers are so few, to welcome anyone or group who claims to be "pro-white."
There are groups and people who may be more of a harm than a help. But, I'm not going to turn on them to prove I am different from them. This is what leftist whites do; they turn on their fellow whites to prove they're not racist. It's enough that I don't hold up these groups and people. Why do you want to give the enemy a hand?
Blacks, homosexuals, Jews, etc. make progress without worrying about someone discrediting their movements. In fact, the white problem pretty much is embarrassment and feelings of guilt for what other whites are alleged to have done.
2005-03-02 00:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]There is a tendancy, due in part to the fact that are numbers are so few, to welcome anyone or group who claims to be "pro-white." Unfortunately there are many, many out there who do nothing but provide the media with ammunition against decent whites. It is time to stop embracing elements that are discrediting "white pride."
Some of the extreme examples are people like Alex Linder, Richard Barret, Tom Metzger, and prison-oriented gangs like Nazi Low-Riders and Soldiers of Aryan Future (or whatever the heck they are called). I think Hal Turner has pretty much deemed himself a nutjob here recently also.
The issue is, when are we going to clean the "movement" up and start drawing some lines as to what is acceptable representation of "pro-white."
I David Duke is a heor to many on this board. Think about this. David Duke was once a klansman and wore nazi uniforms. He grew out of it and is now one of the most well known white racial leaders in the world and has a general sense of respect from conservative whites. The KKK and nazis do not command any sense of respect from conservative whites, but are shunned by virtually everyone.
Many others have grown out of the klan and nazi thing and have become respected activists in our communities.
It's time to rise above the level of Hollywood movies.[/QUOTE]
I sympathize with the general thrust of this (though I wouldn't compare Linder and his efforts to the "Nazi Low Riders"). But how does this problem present itself? There isn't any central white nationalist authority that has the power to kick someone out -- or invite them in, for that matter. I think the important thing is to simply move forward in your own way, associating with those people and groups you consider good ones, and keeping a distance from everything else. I also think that bashing or finger-pointing at others deemed too radical doesn't do one much good: it draws attention to an association that wasn't there to begin with, and just strikes a tattle-tale Boy Scout tone. [I]Well, I'm a responsible person, but I condemn in the strongest terms the outrageous rhetoric of the Radical White Guys, who are the real Nazis.[/I] I think folks like Jared Taylor set a good example here. You'll never hear Taylor even speak of a Tom Metzger or someone like that. He just goes forward with what he does and holds his head high. In other words, he spends no time talking about too-radical voices for whites. That causes you to listen to what he has to say.
I agree with HH that blacks and Jews don't worry about this. Not many Jews sit around wondering how the antics of the JDL will affect them, I'm sure.
Our goal right now should be forcing our ideas into the mainstream.
2005-03-02 00:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I think the important thing is to simply move forward in your own way, associating with those people and groups you consider good ones, and keeping a distance from everything else. [/QUOTE]
This has become my philosophy. Well stated, Hugh.
I used to operate under a "live and let live, unless they attack you then return fire with both barrels" type motto, but I've come to see the negative consequences of even that type approach. It's easy to fall into that kind of tit-for-tat bickering with those that venomously attack your beliefs, and believe me I've been guilty of it quite often, but ultimately it doesn't help things in any way, shape or form.
I say press forward, do what you do, preach what you believe and ignore any detractors. Right will prevail in the end. There are good, well-meaning men in the Klan for example, and far be it for me to criticize them for doing what they can where they are at.
2005-03-02 01:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]This has become my philosophy. Well stated, Hugh.
I used to operate under a "live and let live, unless they attack you then return fire with both barrels" type motto, but I've come to see the negative consequences of even that type approach. It's easy to fall into that kind of tit-for-tat bickering with those that venomously attack your beliefs, and believe me I've been guilty of it quite often, but ultimately it doesn't help things in any way, shape or form.
I say press forward, do what you do, preach what you believe and ignore any detractors. Right will prevail in the end. There are good, well-meaning men in the Klan for example, and far be it for me to criticize them for doing what they can where they are at.[/QUOTE]I takes alot of fortitude to ignore attacks. But it also takes alot of discipline not to give in to the urge to let people know that you are fundamentally different from those with whom you are lumped together, e.g. someone like Jared Taylor vs. the neo-nazi types. But once you get into pointing out differences and criticizing the other position you become inextricably linked.
2005-03-02 05:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=heritagelost]... It's time to rise above the level of Hollywood movies. [/QUOTE] Excellent point heritagelost. There is no doubt that we need to promote a higher quality of activist. But let us not be tempted to do our enemy's work for them with divisive infighting. Even if many of our Kin are considered socially unacceptable... they are still enemies of ZOG. :hitler:
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]... I think the important thing is to simply move forward in your own way, associating with those people and groups you consider good ones, and keeping a distance from everything else. ... Our goal right now should be forcing our ideas into the mainstream. [/QUOTE] Convincing the mainstream of our Truth is the key to beating ZOG. Our goal should be to spread a simple message of ââ¬ÅTruth and Justice...ââ¬Â along with urging the practice of critical thought. Once the lemmings decide to think for themselves we can get into the sordid details. :shocking:
2005-03-03 05:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I think folks like Jared Taylor set a good example here. He just goes forward with what he does and holds his head high. In other words, he spends no time talking about too-radical voices for whites. That causes you to listen to what he has to say.[/QUOTE] I agree here. It's one thing to be for your race, but another to spend your time on what amounts to little more than gutter bigotry. Further, I think activism should not end with race; where we need to get radical in thought is regarding the scope of politics as a whole, which is more than just race, although race is inseparable from it.
2005-03-03 17:40 | User Profile
I think that the litmus test is an obvious one - a person whose behavior is so irresponsible and destructive that they alienate more people than they attract, in other words, are they are a liability rather than an assett. I don't think that anybody should be told "no, you can't support my organization and my cause because you are an embarassment." After all, the Left does just fine with its crew of "Free Mumia" troublemakers and low-lives. The difference is that the Left (unlike much of the racial right) is smart enough not to have such people as its public spokesmen and leaders.
2005-03-03 18:33 | User Profile
AntiYuppie
Great care must be taken on "litmus tests."
I think morals should be where we ââ¬Ådraw the line...ââ¬Â
Let us remember what happened to the John Birch Society in the 1960's Westbrook Pegler and Revilo P. Oliver were thought an ââ¬Åembarrassmentââ¬Â to JBS and purged from the organization.
Revilo P. Oliver on the Decline of JBS: [QUOTE]ââ¬ÅRobert Welch was sincere in his desire to "purify" his Birch business by purging it of persons suspected of such consummate wickedness as lack of veneration for Yahweh's Masterpieces, and he refers to a speech I gave in Boston in 1966, when I was about to carry out my intention to sever my connection with Welch's promotions, as I have fully described in America's Decline. Here is what journalist Johnson says on his pages 136f.:
Welch blamed 'agents provocateurs' hired by the Insiders for infiltrating his society and sowing anti-Semitism to convince the public that the Birchers hated Jews. Welch tried to keep the interlopers out. In the mid-1960s, Robert DePugh, leader of a paramilitary right-wing organization called the Minutemen, and Journalist Westbrook Pegler were dropped from the society because they were considered by the public to be anti-Semites. Revilo P. Oliver was eased out in 1966 after he said, in a speech at the society's New England Rally for God, Family, and Country...ââ¬Â[/QUOTE]
2005-03-03 18:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]AntiYuppie
Great care must be taken on "litmus tests."
I think morals should be where we ââ¬Ådraw the line...ââ¬Â
Let us remember what happened to the John Birch Society in the 1960's Westbrook Pegler and Revilo P. Oliver were thought an ââ¬Åembarrassmentââ¬Â to JBS and purged from the organization.
Revilo P. Oliver on the Decline of JBS:[/QUOTE]
Oliver was purged for ideological reasons, not because his behavior was in any way inappropriate or irresponsible for an activist or spokesman.
Notice that I said the litmus test should be based on behavior, not ideology. Somebody who is an obvious loose cannon, i.e. an advocate of terrorism or murder (half of whom are Feds or informants anyway), or else somebody who just can't carry themselves on in public with any amount of decorum (i.e. walking around town in a brown shirt and hakenkreuz and other clownishness) should probably not be presented as a posterboy for racialism.
2005-03-03 19:26 | User Profile
Indeed we have people who are claiming to be "pro-white" leader and , much to the glee of the media and our enemies, they are total embarrassments who are driving most away. I have known many good people who got involved with an extremist group because it was all they knew about and were so shocked by what they saw that they no longer want anything to do with any pro-white movement at all.
Some of the people working overtime to help our enemies are Hal Turner, Jeff Schoep, Tom Metzger, and Alex Linder. Of course there are more.
2005-03-04 04:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]Oliver was purged for ideological reasons, not because his behavior was in any way inappropriate or irresponsible for an activist or spokesman. ...[/QUOTE] "Ideological reasons" my butt. The John Birch society was founded in 1958 by Robert Welch to counter the destructive effects of what he believed was a "globalist conspiracy." JBS members eat, drink, and live this "conspiracy" twenty four hours a day. All former JBS members, myself included... have been indoctrinated in the membership characteristics of the Illuminati, the Council On Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission... ad nauseum. Revilo P. Oliver could see far beyond this simplistic view... and he wasn't afraid to talk about it. Revilo P. Oliver was "eased out" of JBS because he realized what the "conspiracy" really was... merely a continuation of the destructive tribalism which is characteristic of the International Jew. Robert Welch and his cronies didn't have the fortitude to stand-up to external criticism of these views and the rest is history.
I think it interesting that the John Birch Society went into decline once people like Oliver left. And once the East Berlin Wall came down... JBS was marginalized and has become a joke. Corruption runs rampant throughout the Appleton, Wisconsin headquarters and the leadership has even resorted to "padding" the membership records with former members... some of which have been dead for years.
Poetic justice?
:yes:
2005-03-04 04:36 | User Profile
Faust brings up an interesing point. I didn't know Pegler was a JBS guy. He was the most delightfully vicious political commentator of his age. I read a biography of Pegler years ago. I wonder if there are any collections of his columns floating around out there?
2005-03-04 05:03 | User Profile
CornCod,
I would like see something like that too. I think he was also active in Citizens Council Movement until his death. He lost his national column for attacking the ADL.
"Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive."-Westbrook Pegler
[/QUOTE]Faust brings up an interesing point. I didn't know Pegler was a JBS guy. He was the most delightfully vicious political commentator of his age. I read a biography of Pegler years ago. I wonder if there are any collections of his columns floating around out there?[QUOTE]
Westbrook Pegler [url]http://www.geocities.com/westbrook_pegler/[/url]
2005-03-04 07:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE] Originally Posted by Phantasm ...I think it interesting that the John Birch Society went into decline once people like Oliver left. [/QUOTE]As a former Bircher, one would assume you might know what you were talking about. For the record, the society's decline, like most grassroots orgs, started with the advent of Reagan. What the heck, what's 15 years or so, eh?
[QUOTE] Originally Posted by CornCod Faust brings up an interesing point. I didn't know Pegler was a JBS guy. He was the most delightfully vicious political commentator of his age. I read a biography of Pegler years ago. I wonder if there are any collections of his columns floating around out there? [/QUOTE]Pegler wrote for American Opinion in the early '60s. Some of his articles were a little racy for Welch, no doubt. I recall one being prefaced by Welch himself, as Pegler had hit on racial issues much more than the JBS normally would. I think me favorite A.O. article ever was written by Pegler. In the Feb. '63 issue, there was an article of Eleanor Roosevelt's passing. It included a picture of Truman, Ike, LBJ and Kennedy with the caption:
[size=3]Many came to say goodbye; some came to make sure.[/size]
Classic Pegler. I, too, wish there was a compendium of his articles around somewhere.
2005-03-05 02:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Intrepid]As a former Bircher, one would assume you might know what you were talking about. For the record, the society's decline, like most grassroots orgs, started with the advent of Reagan. What the heck, what's 15 years or so, eh? ...[/QUOTE] Were you in the John Birch Society Intrepid?
BTW... how's the townhouse in Israel?
:caiphas:
2005-03-05 02:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]walking around town in a brown shirt and hakenkreuz[/QUOTE]
What's a hakenkreuz?
2005-03-05 19:19 | User Profile
Kevin_O'Keeffe,
[QUOTE]What's a hakenkreuz?[/QUOTE]
You do not know what a [URL=http://images.google.com/images?q=hakenkreuz&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=ii&oi=imagest]Hakenkreuz[/URL] is. That is funny. :jester:
2005-03-06 15:30 | User Profile
Kevin a hakenkreuz (German) is a swastika. :thumbsup:
2005-03-09 02:20 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker]In fact, the white problem pretty much is embarrassment and feelings of guilt for what other whites are alleged to have done.[/QUOTE] Extremely quotable, sir.
Any "pro-white" movement needs to include more in its worldview than just race, or it's politically inviable (in my view).
2005-03-10 15:54 | User Profile
The term "Pro-White" automatically makes a racial connotation.
(Connotation)
noun: an idea that is implied or suggested noun: what you must know in order to determine the reference of an expression
Since some groups already have the distinction of being Pro-White, such as The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, it is fair to say that ANY group that attempts to identify with supportive measures and rights for the White Race will be demonized by the media and Hollywood.
If ANY individual or group has something to bring to the table in support of race and heritage, it would seem wise and prudent to allow them to contribute what they can. Since racially aware people are not always from the South and are not always Christian, there will be some dissent on issues regarding the different people at the same table.
Some will get up and leave in a huff, and some will just sit back and let the din die down for thoughtful discussion to take place. Although I will never agree with whites that choose to stand against Jesus Christ, I can peaceably agree to disagree with their beliefs and allow them to offer their contribution.
Publicly attacking other whites for their chosen activity is an embarrassment at best and bitterly divisive at worst. I respect organizations that are appealing to whites that do not fit the category such as The Knights occupy. I like the Council of Conservative Citizens as there really is not as much bickering over issues regarding the Confederate flag or the efforts of others to embrace the racial survival of our people.
It is when people start attacking the symbols that we identify with followed by attacking our heritage when the divisiveness becomes too much for John and Jane Doe of the white race.
If someone joins a "Pro-White" group, then complains about race or racialism or images associated with the very purpose of being "Pro-White", then I think that person should be asked to leave and find an organization that he or she feels more comfortable with.
2005-03-10 16:43 | User Profile
"For the record, the society's decline, like most grassroots orgs, started with the advent of Reagan. What the heck, what's 15 years or so, eh?"
hehehe...
.....Their decline was built in by Welch...
2005-03-10 17:01 | User Profile
Where we draw the line?
[QUOTE=heritagelost][/QUOTE]Franco:hitler: :thumbd: :thumbd:
2005-03-10 17:10 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Where we draw the line?
Franco:hitler: :thumbd: :thumbd:[/QUOTE]
Totally uncalled for.
2005-03-11 08:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]Were you in the John Birch Society Intrepid?
BTW... how's the townhouse in Israel?
:caiphas:[/QUOTE]Yes, I was in an O.C. chapter. My grandparents were members in the '60s, as well. My grandma used to volunteer at the west coast office in beautiful, jew-free San Marino. I met a great many fine people there as a kid/teen, e.g., Chenaults, Pattons etc.
2005-03-11 08:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Patrick]"For the record, the society's decline, like most grassroots orgs, started with the advent of Reagan. What the heck, what's 15 years or so, eh?"
hehehe...
.....Their decline was built in by Welch...[/QUOTE]Maybe, maybe not. I can understand the society not taking a racial angle, in the '60s, when the country is 90% white. Now, of course, that isn't, by any stretch of the imagination, valid. I still don't believe he was entirely wrong about throwing out R.P. Oliver. Some of Oliver's later works could've been penned by a - erudite & worldly or not - madman.
2005-03-11 16:07 | User Profile
Draw the line at Hollywood & Vine.
No costume fetishists; psychopaths; informers or provocateurs need apply.
Sorry, [I]Himmler1488[/I] ...
2005-03-12 04:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Intrepid]Yes, I was in an O.C. chapter. My grandparents were members in the '60s, as well. My grandma used to volunteer at the west coast office in beautiful, jew-free San Marino. I met a great many fine people there as a kid/teen, e.g., Chenaults, Pattons etc.[/QUOTE] Intrepid, I'm stunned! OK... so maybe our perspectives are a little divergent. I'm glad you didn't have to witness what has been going on in JBS over the last 10 years.
Now I'm curious... are you a Patriot... a Nationalist... a Neocon... what?
:confused:
2005-03-12 07:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]Intrepid, I'm stunned! OK... so maybe our perspectives are a little divergent. I'm glad you didn't have to witness what has been going on in JBS over the last 10 years.
Now I'm curious... are you a Patriot... a Nationalist... a Neocon... what?
:confused:[/QUOTE]I don't know why you're stunned. The JBS used to have some very decent/prominent people in their ranks. Now, apparently, they're more interested in collecting on what elderly Birchers bequeath them in the wills than facing reality. (I was told not long ago that the "Mormon" leadership has restricted Christian prayers at Birch camps, too.) I left shortly after finishing graduate school, which coincided with their initial attacks on Buchanan. I got into an argument with the regional coordinator over Israel and the snipes at PJB. In reality, it wasn't just that but so much of their analysis is far too simplistic for my liking.
As far as your question: I'm just a conservative with a bad attitude.
2005-03-12 18:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Intrepid]...
As far as your question: I'm just a conservative with a bad attitude.[/QUOTE] I can relate with that. I am also an admirer of Pat Buchanan. :thumbsup:
Do you believe that culture and heritage should be what defines our nation... or do you prefer to think of America simply as a political/economic entity?
What is your position on the "tribe?" :caiphas:
2005-03-12 21:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE] Originally Posted by Phantasm Do you believe that culture and heritage should be what defines our nation... or do you prefer to think of America simply as a political/economic entity?
[/QUOTE]I suppose I've always leaned towards the former. That said, I can't imagine the reality of the situation being anything other than the latter, at least as the nation on the whole. One may as well take care of their immediate interests, as I don't see any tangible form of "White consciousness" on the horizon - sans making sure the kiddos aren't going to school with Tyrone, Pedro, or whatever human flotsam is pouring in.
[QUOTE]What is your position on the "tribe?" [/QUOTE]Hmm... Above them with an MP-40 at-the-ready?
2005-03-13 05:04 | User Profile
The Jews as a tribe... are a pretty tough nation. Even in diaspora... they are much more united than any of us Whites. Their elements of cohesion... religion, race, culture and language definitely make them strong. They remind me of the Japanese circa WWII... tough, militant and definitely united.
I've hypothesized in the past that we Whites should make every effort to establish these elements of cohesion as well. Additionally, I believe that we should narrow our objectives. My idea of White Nationalism is simply the idea that we have the right to live, work and associate with other Whites... without interference from outsiders. I really don't understand how Nazism, criminal hero worship and psychotic fantasies continue to be tolerated. At the very least... we should accept the differences which we cannot overcome within our group... at least for the cause. Currently, the only thing most Whites have in common is skin color. The current condition of White Nationalism pretty much discredits the "cause" in and of itself.
Thoughts?
:cowboy:
2005-03-16 16:32 | User Profile
No serious resistance movement would ever embrace a known Informer. Or known Provocateur. Or known Costume Fetishist.
Start there...
2005-03-16 16:52 | User Profile
Before a "people" or country unites as one they must have a goal or a reason to do so, in other words a focus point.
The reason that Herr Hitler was able to take over Germany so easily was that the German people were like a ship lost at sea and Herr Hitler pointed the way for them.
The Jews are special not because they are special but because they are doing something for thinking that they are special, and what are the goals of the Jews? world domination.
The so called "whites" will never be able to be united because you have to many indians chief and they don't have a clear cut plan in mind.
2005-03-16 16:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Phantasm]The Jews as a tribe... are a pretty tough nation. Even in diaspora... they are much more united than any of us Whites. Their elements of cohesion... religion, race, culture and language definitely make them strong.
Everything about white people have become a polar opposite of everything that kept the Jews tough. Secularism. Multiculturalism. Even the language means little, as English has become a universal language while hispanish is flooding America. There are black nations in Africa with English as the official language, but English isn't close to being an official language in America.
I've hypothesized in the past that we Whites should make every effort to establish these elements of cohesion as well.
Very true. I'd also like to add a little pet peeve of mine. Whites should also make every effort to stop financing those who are trying to destroy them.
Additionally, I believe that we should narrow our objectives. My idea of White Nationalism is simply the idea that we have the right to live, work and associate with other Whites... without interference from outsiders.
The public objective should simply be racial equality under the law (no AA), freedom, and the sovereignty of the US.
I really don't understand how Nazism, criminal hero worship and psychotic fantasies continue to be tolerated.
If the powerful and fascist PC Police can't make nazism go away, what do you expect to do? I suggest that we just ignore them and offer the alternative of a serious-minded, practical movement.
At the very least... we should accept the differences which we cannot overcome within our group... at least for the cause. Currently, the only thing most Whites have in common is skin color. The current condition of White Nationalism pretty much discredits the "cause" in and of itself.
Yes, the current condition of White Nationalism is very anemic (without regard to the size of the movement).
2005-03-16 17:01 | User Profile
"I am also an admirer of Pat Buchanan."
.....I think Buchanan turned out to be just another political whore; he sold out his core constitutency...
2005-03-16 23:56 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Howard Campbell, Jr.]No serious resistance movement would ever embrace a known Informer. Or known Provocateur. Or known Costume Fetishist. Start there...[/QUOTE] I'm in total agreement HC. However, let us make sure of the facts before we accuse. Are you referring to Glenn Miller when you mention "informer?"
[QUOTE=Ponce] Before a "people" or country unites as one they must have a goal or a reason to do so, in other words a focus point. ...[/QUOTE] Absolutely! I'm hoping that the couch potatoes among us become discontented enough with what's happening to at least take an interest. For the most part... that has not happened yet.
[QUOTE=Happy Hacker...] I'd also like to add a little pet peeve of mine. Whites should also make every effort to stop financing those who are trying to destroy them. ...[/QUOTE] Right on target! Even if we couldn't establish the kind of "elite" group that I dream about... we could at the very least... flex our economic muscle. Remember Hilter's boycotts? :cheers:
[QUOTE=Patrick]... I think Buchanan turned out to be just another political whore; he sold out his core constitutency... [/QUOTE] "Sold out" is a pretty strong charge Patrick. For decades, Pat Buchanan has been a "voice in the wilderness" on immigration, trade and foreign policy. The only issue I've disagreed with him on is the legitimacy of the Federal Reserve. Specifically, what issues has he "sold out" on?
:confused:
2005-03-17 14:45 | User Profile
.....How about when he smacked white nationalists in the face with his running (pri)mate?
2005-03-18 02:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Patrick].....How about when he smacked white nationalists in the face with his running (pri)mate?[/QUOTE] Yeah... I see your point from a White Nationalist standpoint. However, I don't recall Pat Buchanan ever declaring that he was a White Nationalist. He's always promoted American Patriotism and Traditional Convervatism. His... ahem... running mate met those requirements.
:cowboy: :afro:
2005-03-18 07:46 | User Profile
More Metzger less duke.lol Different styles appeal to different people it is a shame that Jost Turner work did not get more fame, as he was a true N.S in the eternal sense he understood it for what it is not what it seems to most. If more Nazis where like Jost was then foxman would have to go out and hire a nsm crew. Too many people mix fetish with ideals.
2005-03-18 08:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=G.Larson]Different styles appeal to different people...[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I find it hard to join-in with the rich kid typing on his personal lap top computer in his Ivy league dorm room criticizing some poor country boy who just got his rear end kicked by 5 black guys after school for reaching out to the local Klan for some kind of help and/or sense of identity because his racial awareness manifests itself with bad decorum for the greater 'movement'. For these poor young guys it's more often than not a matter of survival. I will fault any so-called leaders of these small but visible organizations when they manipulate these young men for their own selfish gain or advancement. Even then, no fingers should be pointing blame until we who have some means available to us forge constructive paths and healthy organizations for our less affluent sons and brothers to plug into. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see much of this niggling debate over proper forms and decorum of the 'pro-white movement' based on economic class. The rich guys want to be respectable at the cocktail parties and the poor guy is just trying to stay sane and/or not lose that one faltering grip one rung above the underclass.
2005-03-18 11:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Maybe I'm wrong, but I see much of this niggling debate over proper forms and decorum of the 'pro-white movement' based on economic class. The rich guys want to be respectable at the cocktail parties and the poor guy is just trying to stay sane and/or not lose that one faltering grip one rung above the underclass.[/QUOTE]
To the poor and working-class man in a consumer-capitalist society, who's spent all his life pressing his face to the wrong side of the display window, thrown to the wolves by his own at the slightest provocation because "his own" fear him [I]far less[/I] than they fear those wolves, life will inevitably become reduced to class struggle.
And if he catches a break or two and can somehow improve his lot and move forward economically, he'll usually be the first to turn on those of his fellows left behind with the wolfpacks, and find ways to scapegoat them for their dehumanizing struggle to survive; he'll reject most or all notions of class as the road to godless Communism.
That's not because there is nobility in poverty and it's not because thee is no nobility in poverty; it's because most people, regardless of their station in life, are [I]no damn good[/I]. How else could we be living in such a world as we are?
2005-03-18 13:52 | User Profile
It is a class struggle as a Racial one, due to the fact we live in a upside down artifical society based on fallen vice as virture. In a proper society the castes are a natural one based on natural meritocracy all working together and for the greater good of the whole money is not needed. But now since greed is the stamp of the current age, it is only natural that artifical class be against class. Man has rejected the Creators law and wisdom in favour of man and the works of man. And only death can be the result.
Since it is the current plutocratic ruling class that has pushed for the current world order they the ten percent of the upper class shall need to be removed in the furture. And the new Order be bought back to the wisdom of the Creator laws. Even the bible says that Jesus is coming back to bring wrath and judgement on the earth and a shitload of blood letting and death. For a high ideal. Our ancestors have warned of this age and called it by different names, it all ends the same way.