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Thread ID: 16952 | Posts: 32 | Started: 2005-02-24
2005-02-24 20:58 | User Profile
Check foxnews website, David Duke is scheduled to be on the Oreilly factor tonight, 8pm eastern.
2005-02-24 21:30 | User Profile
The O'Reilly Factor? So, he won't actually get to talk, then. :wink:
2005-02-24 21:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]The O'Reilly Factor? So, he won't actually get to talk, then. :wink:[/QUOTE] LOL. unfortunately that is all too correct. O'reilly is one of the worst at only being interested in hearing himself speak.
2005-02-24 21:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]The O'Reilly Factor? So, he won't actually get to talk, then. :wink:[/QUOTE] It could be worse, he could be going on the Chris Matthews program. At least David might get a word in edgewise when O'Reilly takes a breath. Matthews, on the other hand, doesn't breath. He just yaks incessantly and inanely.
2005-02-24 21:38 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]It could be worse, he could be going on the Chris Matthews program. At least David might get a word in edgewise when O'Reilly takes a breath. Matthews, on the other hand, doesn't breath. He just yaks incessantly and inanely.[/QUOTE] O'reilly is much worse then Chris matthews, IMO. O'reilly also places himself on a "moral high horse" much more then Matthews or some of the others.
2005-02-24 22:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr]O'reilly is much worse then Chris matthews, IMO. O'reilly also places himself on a "moral high horse" much more then Matthews or some of the others.[/QUOTE]
O'Reilly is indeed worse than Matthews, but he's got a better audience.
Remember that story about the white students in a Southern high school who decided to have an off-campus, whites only prom? O'Reilly presented it as a step backward in race relations, smugly assuming that his audience would agree. He was visibly exasperated afterward, when a good part of his mail ran in favor of the white students.
I'll bet something like that happens with Duke. O'Reilly will shout Duke down, bravely taking a stand against "racism", only to find that he has misjudged a good part of his audience again.
At least I hope it turns out that way.
2005-02-24 22:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE]
Remember that story about the white students in a Southern high school who decided to have an off-campus, [url="http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/05/02/separate.proms.ap/"]whites only prom[/url]? O'Reilly presented it as a step backward in race relations, smugly assuming that his audience would agree. He was visibly exasperated afterward, when a good part of his mail ran in favor of the white students.
[/QUOTE]That's interesting I don't really watch O'reilly that much anymore, but I am a bit surprised by the reaction to that story, myself. It is funny, it seems to drive him nuts when he gets negative comments in his readers mail segment. He is such a typical neo-con talking-head, egotistical bastard.:tongue: I suspect he is going to hammer away at Duke's legal troubles, most of all.
2005-02-25 00:41 | User Profile
I remember when Duke appeared on [I]Meet The Press[/I] years back. Same ol' story: Duke couldn't get a few words in before Tim Russert went on his high horse and started jabbing at his throat. Anytime an un-kosher guest is on some show, he will never any ample air time.
2005-02-25 01:25 | User Profile
I just read an excellent Duke commentary on Putin & Russia [URL=http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=261#more-261]here.[/URL]
I don't have Fox News on my cable plan and wouldn't watch it even if I did. They've damaged many an American's mind. Anyway, I am interested in how this show with Duke turns out, so maybe someone can post a report? I think Duke might get in a few shots against Blowhard before his mike is cut. :thumbsup:
2005-02-25 01:45 | User Profile
Tell me how it goes...
I do not have cable; I mean pay for TV?
2005-02-25 01:52 | User Profile
Just watched the segment.
The relevance: Duke is apparently teaching in Ukraine somewhere. I think it would be interesting to find out what exactly he is teaching. I guessing it isn't Math.
O'Reilly asked him if was in the KKK and Duke said, "Bill that was a long time ago." I suppose Democratic Sen Robert Byrd would answer similarly
2005-02-25 01:53 | User Profile
I just saw the David Duke's "'interview" and O'Reilly treated Duke with the usual sandbag tactics that we anticipated. Bigmouth O'Reilly is just a media hack who demogogues those he disagrees with and bullies them to boot.Duke did manage to get a few words in that might have turned some heads. That is the best that can be said. Duke stays calm under the camera and is all and all a good spokesman for White Nationalism.
2005-02-25 02:01 | User Profile
The exchange went well, with Duke appearing a bit frail and clad in a black shirt from Moscow. Started with O'Reilly harping on the Klan and wanting to compare him to Ward Churchill. Duke came back that he doesn't call blacks animals, doesn't "deny the Holocaust" and that Churchill's got a right to speak. Then O'Reilly tried the ol' "The Klan was against the Catholics" rant to, I suppose, discredit white nationalism in the eyes of Irish and Italian folks. Please. Any white Irishman who thinks the Klan is out to get him is trying to snatch a corner of the multiracial victim self-pity cloak. Duke said his Klan guys were mostly Catholic.
Ended with, "if you want to hear more, go to DavidDuke.com."
All in all, O'Reilly looked like a blowhard and Duke got in his blows. Good show.
2005-02-25 02:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I just read an excellent Duke commentary on Putin & Russia [URL=http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=261#more-261]here.[/URL] Link doesn't work. Try this one.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16953[/url]
I don't have Fox News on my cable plan and wouldn't watch it even if I did. They've damaged many an American's mind. Anyway, I am interested in how this show with Duke turns out, so maybe someone can post a report? I think Duke might get in a few shots against Blowhard before his mike is cut. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE] Ah, it was vintage Duke vs, vintage O'Reilly, athough IMO O'Reilly really outdid himself being obnoxious. Oddly the theme for no-spin O'Reilly (which certainly seems to have free speech implications) was comparing the speech of David Duke, critical of blacks and skepto-holocaust, with that of Ward Churchill the CU professor who says the 9/11 attackers were heroes. O'Reilly said both practice "hate speech" and should be suppressed. Duke defended Churchill, saying he had a right to free speech. O'Reilly predictably tried to get in jabs at Duke "ex-KKK" grand wizard and his past record, Duke trying to defend it and put in a word for Euro-Americans and a more Israeliphilic foreign policy. (As is usually the case with O'Reilly)
Overall very disappointing. I don't think you'll missed much.
2005-02-25 02:07 | User Profile
Duke looked unprepared. The worst thing you can do with a host is start defending yourself. Just smile and say, "You are free to believe as you will."
Keep it from getting into a shout-fest, and NEVER argue.
Wait until there is a lull and calmly say, "[I]In 1998 Bin Laden told 60 Minutes he hates America b/c we support Israel. What do you think of that quote, Bill[/I]?" Then HE is on the defensive.
2005-02-25 02:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]Duke looked unprepared. The worst thing you can do with a host is start defending yourself. Just smile and say, "You are free to believe as you will."
Keep it from getting into a shout-fest, and NEVER argue.
Wait until there is a lull.....[/QUOTE]Lull? With O'Reilly??
2005-02-25 04:03 | User Profile
Thanks Okie (I think I fixed that link), Hugh and everyone for the reports on Duke's appearance on Bloward's "no-spin, know-shit" zone. From what y'all tell me, at least Duke got in several good points in front of the 10 zillion people who might've been watching the show. Let's hope it opens up some minds. I'm beginning to think that David Duke is, oh, how shall I say....someone who leads all the contenders (nevermind his convicted "crime") as a viable candidate for leading a paleo/WN party and/or just being a widely appealing and popular spokesman for the Movement.
[QUOTE=jay]Duke looked unprepared. The worst thing you can do with a host is start defending yourself. Just smile and say, "You are free to believe as you will."
[B]Keep it from getting into a shout-fest, and NEVER argue.[/B]
Wait until there is a lull and calmly say, "In 1998 Bin Laden told 60 Minutes he hates America b/c we support Israel. What do you think of that quote, Bill?" Then HE is on the defensive.[/QUOTE]
Good strategy, Jay, for speaking with just about any demented Foxdroid which one might encounter just about anywhere these days. I heard my local band of Coulterites and OReillyians at work the other day talking about this Ward Churchill guy and how he's "just a sick liberal, man, who'd surrender America to the Muslims like the French surrendered to Germany!" and other such programmed responses. I secretly hate these people and I'm so done with debating them that if we talk at all, it must only be about the superficial things, such as food/music/TV shows/Sports. This is America today!?!
Anyway, I read up on Ward Churchill on Counterpunch about his "crimes" and I agree as David Duke does about him. I'd go further and say that I almost damn near sympathize with the guy and can easily see the point he's trying to make, even through his Leftist lens. Why are Bill O'Reilly and his sycophantic corps so vitriolic against free-speech, like these otherwise clean cut, materially successful, law-abiding co-workers of mine?? Because they're empty and void and their minds easily polluted and manipulated by snake-oilmen. They cannot debate at all on facts but resort to yelling platitudes and slogans. They're all pussies inside and they know it, or else they'd enlist, don the uniform and get to the front in Iraq. The guys too old to enlist are just cuckholded losers and feel tough talking bigstuff against some obscure professor in Colorado.
This is a sick country when this movement of neocondom can infect the minds of masses of people. I dunno.....let me shut up :angry:
2005-02-25 04:12 | User Profile
Yeah, I gotta say it was transparently insincere when Bill O'Neocon started in with, "there's free speech and there's hate speech. And hate speech hurts." Like ol' Bill gives a crap who HIS speech hurts. Duke's point, that anyone can label speech they don't like "hate" and emerge victorious, was hopefully taken by FoxWatchers.
2005-02-25 04:28 | User Profile
I don't get Fox News either. But, I can imagine how O'Reilly handled Duke.
2005-02-25 05:05 | User Profile
O'Reily believes in nothing but O'Reilly. If the hippie movement were to return in force tomorrow, by next Tuesday Bill would be conducting interviews wearing love beads and Earth shoes.
As evidenced by this patriot's reluctance to jab David Horowitz - Communist firebrand, campus rabble-rouser and confessed traitor - with the same salad fork he'll stick Duke with over and over again.
2005-02-25 05:10 | User Profile
Duke handled the interview quite well, especially when you consider it is often impossible to even get a word in over O'Reilly.
2005-02-25 05:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Thanks Okie (I think I fixed that link), Hugh and everyone for the reports on Duke's appearance on Bloward's "no-spin, know-shit" zone. From what y'all tell me, at least Duke got in several good points in front of the 10 zillion people who might've been watching the show. Let's hope it opens up some minds. I'm beginning to think that David Duke is, oh, how shall I say....someone who leads all the contenders (nevermind his convicted "crime") as a viable candidate for leading a paleo/WN party and/or just being a widely appealing and popular spokesman for the Movement. [/QUOTE]Something still stinks here. Did you notice what job David Duke was working at. A political science lecturer in [B]Kiev, Ukraine.[/B]
I really still haven't heard very much about Duke's activities, suspiciously little I might add. To me though doesn't it sound a little bit like he's in political exile?
I just don't know, although I admit I don't keep up with the White Nationalists as well as I should.
2005-02-25 12:23 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Something still stinks here. Did you notice what job David Duke was working at. A political science lecturer in [B]Kiev, Ukraine.[/B]
I really still haven't heard very much about Duke's activities, suspiciously little I might add. To me though doesn't it sound a little bit like he's in political exile?
I just don't know, although I admit I don't keep up with the White Nationalists as well as I should.[/QUOTE]
Would you like to place a bet on that? :wink:
2005-02-25 12:46 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Something still stinks here. Did you notice what job David Duke was working at. A political science lecturer in Kiev, Ukraine.
I really still haven't heard very much about Duke's activities, suspiciously little I might add. To me though doesn't it sound a little bit like he's in political exile?[/QUOTE] In Russia, the Ukraine, and Belarus it is still allowable to criticize Jewish influence without having your life destroyed. Duke has apparently been doing well there, both by giving speeches and selling books. I think it is a matter of him going where he feels he can be heard. His official offices are still in Louisiana, according to his website.
As far as his appearance on O'Reilly last night, I think he did about as well as he could have, considering O'Reilly's method of simply berating his guests and then interrupting them when they try to answer. Duke did manage to mention the URL of his website not once, but twice, so that was well-done on his part. As an example of the intellectual level of the show, one of O'Reilly's questions was actually something like this -- 'So, you, as a holocaust-DENYER, don't you know that when you tell someone, whose grandparents were murdered in a concentration camp, that that camp didn't exist, that you are hurting that person?' And then he didn't let Duke answer. Yup, that's the kind of hard-hitting journalism one can expect from Bill O'Reilly.
2005-02-25 14:01 | User Profile
Has David Duke ever been on an "interview" show in which he was actually allowed to speak?
2005-02-25 17:32 | User Profile
I get Fox News but I don't really watch it. Sometimes I will turn to it for the same reason you can't leave that problem tooth alone. I loathe Fox News.
A few points on what's been said. First, Chris Matthews is much smarter than O'Reilly, his knowledge of history and current affairs is incomparably greater, and his interrupting questions are often effective in eliciting answers which are unscripted and revealing-- esp. w/ neo-con guests.
I am simpatico with many of Duke's positions but his KKK background does discredit him in a way. The KKK is now seen as pathetic and laughable and something out of Deliverance. Most sophisticated ('tea and crumpets') white racialists like Jared Taylor have made this point before.
Too bad O'Reilly doesn't do his interviews live, because if I were Duke I would've shrugged my shoulders and said, "Sorry Bill, I guess I need a nice hot shower with a falafel scrubbing."
2005-02-25 17:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Then O'Reilly tried the ol' "The Klan was against the Catholics" rant to, I suppose, discredit white nationalism in the eyes of Irish and Italian folks.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that really freaked Duke out.
All in all, Duke did well. He sounded very reasonable. He needs to update his hairstyle, though.
2005-02-25 17:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=OPERA96]It could be worse, he could be going on the Chris Matthews program. At least David might get a word in edgewise when O'Reilly takes a breath. Matthews, on the other hand, doesn't breath. He just yaks incessantly and inanely.[/QUOTE]I have to reiterate what others have said: Matthews is much better than Bilbo Reilly (if you will pardon the Linderism).
Matthews understands the "unmentionable" dynamics of Zionism and Judaism motivating the neocons, even if he can't be explicit about it. One of the local radio hosts in Boston, Howie Carr, who is all gungho since 911, accuses Matthews of "antisemitism" in so many words, even though otherwise both of them (Carr and Matthews) are northeastern fairly conservative Irish-American types, fairly unobjectionable, in comparison to the neocons - it is just that Matthews sees through the neocon "war on terror" charade, and flag waving morons like Carr do not.
Sure Matthews yells a lot - but he asks intelligent questions, and doesn't simply engage in ridiculous moral postering, which is O'Reilly's entire "schtick".
Matthews knows a lot more than he can say and still keep his job; he never fell for the Iraq WMD lie or the Iraq "ties to Al Qaeda" lie, before the war; that alone shows an unusual amount of discernment in today's media. Matthews line of questioning often shows that he knows the score, even if he can't explicitly spell it out to his viewers.
2005-02-25 19:51 | User Profile
I agree, re: Chris Matthews, but there are plenty of guys like that around. Tim Russert is another. Even Tucker Carlson of all people has strayed from the neocon plantation by questioning whether "diversity" is really so great and whether our middle east policy shouldn't be re-evaluated.
2005-02-25 20:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]I agree, re: Chris Matthews, but there are plenty of guys like that around. Tim Russert is another. Even Tucker Carlson of all people has strayed from the neocon plantation by questioning whether "diversity" is really so great and whether our middle east policy shouldn't be re-evaluated.[/QUOTE]
I almost never watch Meet the Press, so I don't have an informed opinion, but I saw a few seconds of it this week and from what I saw Russert pushes the Jewish Agenda like all the rest. Here's an excerpt:
MR. RUSSERT: Senator McCain, speaking of Iran, Russian President Putin said yesterday that he is convinced Iran does not intend to build nuclear weapons. As you know, President Putin has also been responsible for some very undemocratic actions in his own country. What should President Bush say to President Putin on Thursday when they meet about Iran and about what's going on in Russia?
SEN. McCAIN: Well, I think he should say, "Vladimir, you made a serious foreign policy mistake in your handling of the Ukraine elections, and you're making another serious mistake as regards to Iran." The evidence is overwhelming that Iran, at least, has made enough steps towards acquiring a nuclear capability that we should all be concerned, and the evidence is very clear. And so I believe that Mr. Putin has got to understand that he is on the verge of isolating himself in many respects, whether it be in his war on Chechnya, whether his refusal to remove his bases from Georgia, his latest performance as far as Ukraine is concerned and now a mistake in foreign policy towards Iran--this Iranian situation. We should join together with Russia and stop the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction wherever they may be, including Iran's nuclear capability.
MR. RUSSERT: Should we begin to think about excluding Russia from the so-called G8, the gathering of the industrialized nations?
(bolding added by Recluse)
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7003226/[/url]
2005-02-25 20:44 | User Profile
Could be, could be. I was referring to the semi-legendary question he put to Wolfowitz: "Can you assure us that the invasion of Iraq is being done with American interests in mind?" Or some such. That is, isn't this just about Israel?
2005-02-25 21:02 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Could be, could be. I was referring to the semi-legendary question he put to Wolfowitz: "Can you assure us that the invasion of Iraq is being done with American interests in mind?" Or some such. That is, isn't this just about Israel?[/QUOTE]
That's not bad. I would have loved to have seen the expression on Wolfowitz's face.