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[COLOR=Red]This is the thread that the powers that be on "Free" Republic pulled last night. I can see why they would, the Ziocon and "Free" Republic Open Borders Lobbies made complete asses out of themselves. It is good to note that most of the comments on this thread about Dr. Francis are positive. -S ==================================[/COLOR]
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Skip to comments. Sam Francis, conservative columnist, RIP [url]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/[/url] ^ Posted on 02/16/2005 6:37:30 PM PST by Hugh Lincoln click here to read article
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1 posted on 02/16/2005 6:37:30 PM PST by Hugh Lincoln [ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Sorry to hear this. He was so good at identifying problems with The Stupid Party. RIP.
2 posted on 02/16/2005 6:39:19 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln He looks much older than he actually is. What did he die from?
3 posted on 02/16/2005 6:41:12 PM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln May God be merciful and lift Sam Francis up to the Light of His countenance, and may perpetual Light shine upon him.
4 posted on 02/16/2005 6:41:46 PM PST by Cultural Jihad [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Actually, Francis was a paleoconservative.
5 posted on 02/16/2005 6:41:56 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: quidnunc [I]Francis was a paleoconservative.[/I] Although I'm personally a small "L" libertarian, I always found his writing to be insightful even when I disagreed with the content. Unlike more prominent paleos, Francis was a true believer rather than an opportunist.
6 posted on 02/16/2005 6:46:14 PM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln May he rest in peace.
7 posted on 02/16/2005 6:47:50 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Man I have not seen a picture of him in years he did not age so well but it could very well been what ever he died of made him appear old past his years. Peace old friend!
8 posted on 02/16/2005 6:52:35 PM PST by BellStar (Pray for our heroes...) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: peyton randolph From about '91 on, he frustrated me more than he enlightened me. But he was fearless, educated, and always highly readable.
9 posted on 02/16/2005 6:53:13 PM PST by BroncosFan ("It's worse than a crime - it's a mistake." Talleyrand.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln; rmlew While I feel for his family (if he had any), Sam Francis is one of the creepiest men I ever met. I shared a 1 1/2 hour car ride with him a few years back.
10 posted on 02/16/2005 6:54:18 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg He was a chain smoker.
11 posted on 02/16/2005 6:55:01 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: BellStar
He made 57 or 58 the hard way. RIP Sam.
12 posted on 02/16/2005 6:56:33 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: [url]http://www.escapingjustice.com[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Clemenza What was that car ride like? BTW, the chain smoking would explain his appearance.
13 posted on 02/16/2005 6:56:49 PM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg LOOOOONNNNNNGGGG. Totally unfriendly. Picture a darker and unfunny Archie Bunker with a higher IQ.
14 posted on 02/16/2005 6:58:06 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Clemenza Lord have mercy.
15 posted on 02/16/2005 6:58:40 PM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg cyborg wrote: He looks much older than he actually is. What did he die from? According to a Creators Syndicate obituary, he died from complications following heart surgery.
16 posted on 02/16/2005 7:53:13 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: quidnunc Yeah I figured it had to be something bad like that.
17 posted on 02/16/2005 8:05:08 PM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Sam Francis (April 29, 1947ââ¬âFebruary 15, 2005)
Francis, who was believed to have been recovering from aneurysm-related heart surgery, died Tuesday night. His last column appeared on Jan. 27.
18 posted on 02/17/2005 5:36:02 AM PST by Theodore R. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Clemenza Francis never married. He probably has siblings as his survivors.
19 posted on 02/17/2005 5:37:24 AM PST by Theodore R. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Clemenza Why don't you tell us why you shared a long car drive with Mr. Francis? Bet there's a story there!
20 posted on 02/17/2005 5:57:59 AM PST by Theodore R. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Mr. Francis held a Ph.D. from the University of NC at Chapel Hill and was once an aide to the late conservative Sen. John P. East, R-NC, who committed suicide in 1986 in the last months of his term.
21 posted on 02/17/2005 6:10:51 AM PST by Theodore R. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Clemenza I'm sorry I couldn't have traded places with you. Not only would it have been a great honor but, I would considered it quite educational. He was a brilliant thinker of the highest order, truly a great man.
22 posted on 02/17/2005 6:16:38 AM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason I agree with you. I would have loved to have shared a ride with Dr. Francis. His writings were always insightful and right on target. He will be sorely missed. May he rest in peace.
23 posted on 02/17/2005 6:33:46 AM PST by MacArthur [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Clemenza Picture a darker and unfunny Archie Bunker with a higher IQ. At a 1994 conference, Francis said this: "What we as whites must do, is reassert our identity and our solidarity, and we must do so in explicitly racial terms through the articulation of a racial consciousness as whites." Unfortunately for Francis, Dinesh D'Souza was in the audience. He recounted this in a book. When the Washington Times read this, they fired Francis.
24 posted on 02/17/2005 8:01:36 AM PST by EveningStar [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: newzjunkey Wow, way, way beyond the already-creepy head shot his columns have carried for years. But columnists are like stage actors; they stick with a much younger-looking mug shot for years beyond when it should be updated. Misanthropic paleocons like Francis are among the worst offenders--check out current pics of, say, Joseph "The Jews are out to get me" Sobran with the circa 1975 photo he still uses.
25 posted on 02/17/2005 8:01:43 AM PST by Paladin2b [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg I forgot to ping you on post 24. Francis was apparently an anti-Zionist and possbly a racist.
26 posted on 02/17/2005 8:05:27 AM PST by EveningStar [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: EveningStar possbly=possibly
27 posted on 02/17/2005 8:06:03 AM PST by EveningStar [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: EveningStar Oh yeah I knew that, but didn't want to speak ill of the dead. Actually I remember that quote from D'Souza. I think he brought it up in one of his books.
28 posted on 02/17/2005 8:07:50 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason Getting a little carried away with that brillant thinker of the highest order aren't you? I understand he said a lot of things that some people think, but that's ridiculous.
29 posted on 02/17/2005 8:09:24 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg You're a nice person. I don't look up on it as speaking ill of the dead, but rather adding a bit of perspective to the topic. :)
30 posted on 02/17/2005 8:20:26 AM PST by EveningStar [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg didn't want to speak ill of the dead Which is why I won't say anything more than "RIP."
31 posted on 02/17/2005 8:20:27 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: EveningStar Well it would give a bit of explanation to his less than healthy appearance to be sure.
32 posted on 02/17/2005 8:23:43 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Didn't know he was ill. RIP Mr. Francis.
33 posted on 02/17/2005 8:29:05 AM PST by mafree [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: quidnunc Sam Francis may have started out as a paleoconservatism, but he wandered far afield from this philosophy. His positions were quite different from those of Joe Sobran, who is basically a libertarian in the Catholic school of Lord Acton and Lew Rockwell. They were far more nationalist than those of Pat Buchanan or Michael Savage. Sam Francis represented a different school of thought than that of true American conservatism. The mainstream of limited government, individualist philosophy represented by John Locke, Adam Smith, Jefferson, Cleveland, Coolidge, Robert Taft, Sr., and Goldwater is true conservatism in the American sense. However, there is an American school of thought that is anti-classical liberal and more like the "blood and soil" conservatism of Europe. This tradition reveres Tom Watson, Theodore Bilbo, Henry Ford, Father Charles Coughlin, and (to some extent) Theodore Roosevelt and Huey Long, as their forbears. Many of the believers in Illuminati style conspiracies belong to this school. (In fairness, some conspiratorialists are classical liberals and some "blood and soil" types reject conspiratorialism.) With regard to foreign affairs, they are isolationist. Their economic views come closer to the distributism of Hilaire Belloc and G.K. Chesterton than to the laissez faire concepts of classical, Chicago, or Austrian school economics. They would have no problem with a return of de iure racial segregation. In the end, Sam Francis was no conservative in the American sense, and certainly not a paleoconservative. He was a "blood and soil" nationalist.
34 posted on 02/17/2005 8:36:59 AM PST by Wallace T. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Wallace T.; diotima; sheltonmac; x Samuel Francis was a true visionary. A writer and intellectual without peer. Whether you agreed or disagreed with him, you had to respect the man's intellect. Sam Francis was the man. It is a shame his words were not allows to grace this site for more than a few minutes at a time.
35 posted on 02/17/2005 9:40:32 AM PST by Vic Mackey (Not today, not tomorrow, not even on Cinco De Mayo.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg Nope.
I really don't care what Dinesh D'Souza, David Frum and other open borders types think and wrote about Dr. Francis. I've read his detractors before and they nothing more than intellectual pygmies compared to him.
36 posted on 02/17/2005 10:23:35 AM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Vic Mackey He was a very bright guy. Years ago I would have said he was brilliant. But journalists do have to take account of changing circumstances, and Francis really didn't do that, at least not in recent years. When you come on the scene matters, and so does how you adapt to what's happened since then. A lot of people will find the highest honor in holding on to, say, Dixiecrat attitudes from the 1950s no matter what happened since, but those who didn't share that mind-set to begin with will be less appreciative of that achievement. I'm not just going to slam the guy. He was right about mass immigration and other questions and he had first-rate analytical abilities, but he looked increasingly out of touch in recent years. The fact that he may have been in ill health may help explain that. I didn't realize he was so young -- a baby boomer. I hope he finds peace.
37 posted on 02/17/2005 10:26:21 AM PST by x [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason LOL I'll bet Dinesh will be surprised to hear he's an open borders type. David Frum eh? My my... well okay have a nice afternoon.
38 posted on 02/17/2005 10:27:32 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg LOL yourself.
In the past both of them have taken positions to the effect that mass immigration isn't a problem. I haven't read D'Souza in a while as I find him a bore. In Frum's case it is only recently that he has had a change of heart about immigration due to his concerned about the Republican party's prospect for staying in control. If D'Souza has changed his views it is for the same opportunistic reasons as Frum, not due to any principle.
39 posted on 02/17/2005 10:34:01 AM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln He is one of the reasons I dropped my subscription to the Washington Times years ago. They use to run his column in the 90's. For some reason - he wrote or said something I suppose you could call Coulterish for lack of a better term - sort of like when she wrote that column about converting the Islamofacists and NR dropped her - the Times dropped his column over something like that. Shortly afterward, when Hillary was supposively writing a column - you people remember that? - they put her column in their paoer. They had every right to do so but I immediately dropped the paper and told them so. Hillary's column did not last - that sort of stuff takes work and we know how the Clintons work hard not to work - but to my knowledge, they never brought Franics back. I liked his writing and he was extremely adapt at nailing the Republicans as the Stupid Party when they did stupid stuff. May he rest in peace and may God grant him mercy and forgive his sins.
40 posted on 02/17/2005 10:41:27 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason I will respectfully disagree with you. Have a good day.
41 posted on 02/17/2005 10:44:47 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Cultural Jihad; Poohbah; mhking; Dane; JohnHuang2; sinkspur; dighton; Howlin; section9; Southack; .. I read his obit. I never knew he felt Brown vs. Board of Education was "the most dangerous and destructive Supreme Court decision in American History."
Well, maybe he can discuss his views with a God that is wise, just, and who loves all of his children equally.
42 posted on 02/17/2005 10:48:39 AM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: EveningStar Yeah, and David Frum had another good one from that American Renaissance conference.
43 posted on 02/17/2005 10:50:35 AM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: hchutch Francis also said that Alan Keyes was a neo-con.
44 posted on 02/17/2005 10:56:07 AM PST by EveningStar [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln How sad.
He was a great writer and will be missed.
45 posted on 02/17/2005 11:00:17 AM PST by rcocean [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: EveningStar Lord have mercy. If Alan Keyes is a neocon, then what else is there? I take it anyone who disagreed with Mr.Francis was a neocon.
46 posted on 02/17/2005 11:20:20 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: hchutch "I never knew he felt Brown vs. Board of Education was "the most dangerous and destructive Supreme Court decision in American History"
I think his position was that even though the end, ending segregation, was correct, the means were incorrect.
It lead us down the path that led straight to Roe vs. Wade, the outlawing of school prayer, the demand that illegal aliens receive the same rights as Americans, and the whole liberal agenda that has been jammed down our throat in the last 50 years.
I kinda agree with the position but it is so nuanced and subject to misinterpretation but the opposition it is better not used by people writing for publication.
47 posted on 02/17/2005 11:27:26 AM PST by rcocean [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: rcocean With or without Brown vs. Board, abortion legalization would have happened because it was right at the crest of the sexual revolution. I've heard that reasoning about Brown vs.Board before and understand the reasoning but it's easy to conclude SF had 'issues' from his other writings. If someone was going to argue that Brown vs. Board shouldn't have passed, I would have liked to hear their own better solutions. Besides that was the least of the issues going on in the South at the time. It's not as if Francis was my father's age and how some people 'remember the good ole days' he was a babyboomer as much he pretended he wasn't. Just because white stupid liberals take over something doesn't mean the idea itself is wrong. It's same arguement behind the confederate flag and 'guilt by association' mentality.
48 posted on 02/17/2005 11:35:10 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg And I wish you a good day in return.
49 posted on 02/17/2005 11:38:59 AM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln This is a great loss to right wing conservatism at a time we cannot sustain too many losses. Rest In Peace.
50 posted on 02/17/2005 11:39:32 AM PST by annalex [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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To: Steven Nason thanks :-)
51 posted on 02/17/2005 11:40:36 AM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg I think SF's position, and mine, is that b vs. b, was a bad supreme court decision.
It led us to think that the SCOTUS had the right to act as a super legislature because it reached decisions we agree with.
Abortion was already legal in any number states before Roe. If Roe had not occurred, we would have ended up with some sort of abortion compromise that would have more or less satisfied the majority of Americans.
52 posted on 02/17/2005 11:53:01 AM PST by rcocean [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: rcocean When he is also quoted as saying: "The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people." SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN RENAISSANCE CONFERENCE, MAY 1994
I don't think his problem was with the rationale of the ruling. It was with the ruling itself. It's not hard to misinterpret him when you compare other comments the man made.
53 posted on 02/17/2005 12:05:09 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: hchutch Well, if thats the truth, I'm sorry to hear it.
I thought he was against the means - not the ends via the Brown v. Board of Education decision.
54 posted on 02/17/2005 12:07:34 PM PST by rcocean [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: rcocean Maybe he was, but looking at a number of his comments (I note they were in the same timeframe) points to a much different conclusion.
Racists are still out there.
55 posted on 02/17/2005 12:25:43 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Sam Francis, RIP. Amen.
56 posted on 02/17/2005 12:26:48 PM PST by tioga [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Vic Mackey
Samuel Francis was a true visionary. A writer and intellectual without peer. Whether you agreed or disagreed with him, you had to respect the man's intellect. Sam Francis was the man. You are exactly right. Francis was brilliant and courageous. He told the truth as he saw the truth, regardless of the consequences to himself. This sort of intellecual courage is always rare, but especially so today, when so many so-called conservative writers are nothing but shallow and shameless sycophants, mouthing the party line in order to promote themselves. Sam hearkened back to an earlier conservatism, when conservatives were big enough to argue and disagree over major issues, without demonizing one another or resorting to absurd name-calling. Sam will be missed.
57 posted on 02/17/2005 12:31:00 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason
I'm sorry I couldn't have traded places with you. Not only would it have been a great honor but, I would considered it quite educational. He was a brilliant thinker of the highest order, truly a great man. Having attended John Randolph Club meetings with Sam, I can assure you that he was a great conversationalist, provided you could hold up your end of the conversation. He was indeed a "brilliant thinker of the highest order."
58 posted on 02/17/2005 12:34:20 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: EveningStar Francis also said that Alan Keyes was a neo-con. That's odd, I thought Alan Keyes was a Catholic. ;o)
59 posted on 02/17/2005 12:39:57 PM PST by malakhi [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln Enjoying the face-to-face with the Jewish G-d Who created you, Sammy???
60 posted on 02/17/2005 12:41:26 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator I imagine a big 'ooops my bad' right about now.
61 posted on 02/17/2005 12:43:07 PM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Zionist Conspirator
Enjoying the face-to-face with the Jewish G-d Who created you, Sammy??? What sort of "man" shows up on a thread devoted to someone who just died to trash him? Sam is having a much better time facing the Almighty than a "man" like you would have looking in the mirror in the morning, if you had any sense of decency and propriety.
62 posted on 02/17/2005 12:47:35 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Zionist Conspirator G-d is Jewish?
Sorry, wrong answer! G-d created all people and chose, for His own reasons, to reveal himself to humanity and provide a means of redemption through the Jews.
I suggest you read the Book again.
63 posted on 02/17/2005 1:00:48 PM PST by GadareneDemoniac [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg What did he die from? Xenophobia? Sorry to speak ill of the dead, but his racial rants turned me off long-ago. And the "Stupid Party" he loved to bash has gone from permanent minority to solid and lasting majority by not listening to his "advise". RIP anyway, Mr. Francis.
64 posted on 02/17/2005 1:00:56 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: cyborg Oh yeah I knew that, but didn't want to speak ill of the dead. I suppose that one might charitably infer that his circulatory problems have been leaving his brain on short rations for these past years, and assume that that explains his loony-fringe statements.
65 posted on 02/17/2005 1:04:14 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: steve-b That could explain things. Bitterness isn't healthy.
66 posted on 02/17/2005 1:06:15 PM PST by cyborg ([url]http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/[/url]) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Ditto RIP anyway bump.
67 posted on 02/17/2005 1:12:34 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: steve-b Good to know who the liberal trolls are.
68 posted on 02/17/2005 1:12:35 PM PST by rcocean [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: rcocean I'm not a liberal, and I agree with steve-b. Sam Francis may well have been brilliant. He was most certainly a racist. Conservatism is better off without him. God rest his soul.
69 posted on 02/17/2005 2:19:50 PM PST by ArcLight [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Zionist Conspirator "Enjoying the face-to-face with the Jewish G-d Who created you, Sammy???"
Did you have a point to make or did you simply wish to make an extremely vile and disgustingly hateful comment?
70 posted on 02/17/2005 2:31:04 PM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: rcocean Abortion was already legal in any number states before Roe.
NY, CA, CO, and HI. Were there any others prior to 1973?
71 posted on 02/17/2005 3:15:17 PM PST by Theodore R. [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Ditto And the "Stupid Party" he loved to bash has gone from permanent minority to solid and lasting majority And will therefore inevitably become the evil party. Sam also pointed out that the Dems are now the stupid party.
72 posted on 02/17/2005 3:27:03 PM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason Did you have a point to make or did you simply wish to make an extremely vile and disgustingly hateful comment? Pointing out that every human being must give an account to HaShem is vile and hateful? Isn't it time for your vigil at Arafat's grave?
73 posted on 02/17/2005 4:16:59 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Pointing out that every human being must give an account to HaShem is vile and hateful? The import of your remark was clear. And, yes, it was vile and hateful, as well as unmanly, ungentlemanly, and indecent. Isn't it time for your vigil at Arafat's grave? More of the same. There is no indication whatever that the poster you're attacking had any fondness for Arafat. You are either malicious or too wrapped up in your own peculiar obsessions to be able to recognize reality.
74 posted on 02/17/2005 4:32:33 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Thorin More of the same. There is no indication whatever that the poster you're attacking had any fondness for Arafat. You are either malicious or too wrapped up in your own peculiar obsessions to be able to recognize reality. Why did Chronicles feel compelled to attack Israel? Was Israel responsible for all those (Catholic) Mexicans in the United States? Yet all "palaeos" attack Israel for being "leveling" and "corrosive" merely by its very existence. Why? Because the objective One G-d is corrosive of the subjective myths created by "autochthonous" races and civilizations. And btw, "civilizationalism" (the doctrine that each civilization creates its own valid and independent worldview, including religion) is irreconcilable with Biblical Fundamentalism, which insists on critiquing all civlizations by G-d's blueprint. The Left believes in pluralism within cultures; the "palaeo" Right believes in pluralism among cultures. Both deny absolute objective universal Truth. And as to my supposing that Mr. Francis supported Yasser Arafat (as so many of his admirers did), even Pat Buchanan can't think of the old sodomite without bawling. The Sam Francis fan club is made up basically of people who think that Abraham and Moses were the ideological antecedents of Bolshevism.
75 posted on 02/17/2005 4:45:33 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
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To: ArcLight Went to the chronicles website and didn't see any racism. Here's a link to a good column on immigration: Sam Francis!
Too bad he seems to have had a rather negative attitude toward Israel. But anyone who disliked David Frum will be missed. Sam Francis - RIP
76 posted on 02/17/2005 4:59:34 PM PST by rcocean [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Zionist Conspirator "Isn't it time for your vigil at Arafat's grave?"
No, but I believe it is time for you to quit acting like a cretin.
By the way, you answered my question and it is what I expected from you- pure stupidity and ignorance.
77 posted on 02/17/2005 5:31:28 PM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Zionist Conspirator
Why did Chronicles feel compelled to attack Israel? I'm not aware of attacks by Chronicles on Israel. I am aware of attacks by Chronicles on so-called Americans who place the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of America. Such as yourself.
And as to my supposing that Mr. Francis supported Yasser Arafat (as so many of his admirers did), even Pat Buchanan can't think of the old sodomite without bawling. Another of your vile and vicious lies. Your coming on a thread after Sam's death to attack him reminds me of the orc clambering onto Balin's tomb in Lord of the Rings. The only proper response to such orc-like behavior is to hew off the legs of the orc, just as Gimli did.
The Sam Francis fan club is made up basically of people who think that Abraham and Moses were the ideological antecedents of Bolshevism. I've read almost all of Sam's columns in syndication and for Chronicles over the last 10 years, and never have I seen anything from him remotely along those lines. Crawl back into your black cave, orc.
78 posted on 02/17/2005 5:35:23 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Thorin People like this guy Z.C. attempt to hide behind a facade of pious religiosity to hide their evil and vicious nature.
79 posted on 02/17/2005 5:43:52 PM PST by Steven Nason [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Zionist Conspirator And as to my supposing that Mr. Francis supported Yasser Arafat (as so many of his admirers did), even Pat Buchanan can't think of the old sodomite without bawling. I can see you are obsessed with Pat Buchanan in proportion to his obsession with Israel. That's legit, but please save it for another thread.
80 posted on 02/17/2005 5:55:23 PM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln God's blessings be with him and his family at their time of need.
81 posted on 02/17/2005 5:56:31 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Steven Nason
People like this guy Z.C. attempt to hide behind a facade of pious religiosity to hide their evil and vicious nature. Agreed. Only he doesn't do a very good job of concealing his true nature. There are lots of public figures I dislike. But I would be ashamed of myself if, after their passing, I inserted myself amid their admirers to attack them.
82 posted on 02/17/2005 5:57:01 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: Hugh Lincoln I was shocked when I saw this thread recording his death. From Francis' most recent column which I read just a few days ago: The Hard Right, in other words, is, by definition, a cultural movement rather than a political one, and its proper purpose ought to be to prepare the American political culture for the reception of its issues and ideas. There is a good deal of evidence that a breakthrough of some kind is about to happen concerning immigration, at least in reaction to Bush's amnesty plan for illegal aliens, and that, in turn, clearly connects to the Cultural Issue which he defines as "what kind of country is this going to be, and who's going to be in charge of it?" Francis has for years pointed out that there is now a permanent subculture of aliens, that has rooted itself in the welfare state. The Republicans let this happen and are now pushing to legitimize it. Francis saw this as favorable for the emergence of the Hard Right as the administration must either answer to it or lose its base to the Hard Right.
83 posted on 02/17/2005 6:18:37 PM PST by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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2005-02-18 16:42 | User Profile
Thanks for the Cache, Sarge... The duckspeaking/rightthinking FReaks now evidently think Dinesh D'Souza a greater American than Theodore Roosevelt.
And yes, Alan Keyes (college roomate of William "the reptile" Kristol) is indeed a neo-con.
Hope that some righteous FReaker lurks here and who's outgrown RimJob's litterbox will pass on the OD link to the brave pro-Francis posters...
2005-02-18 17:05 | User Profile
By any objective standard, the mere fact that at Free Republic 'Zionist Conspirator' has been allowed to spew his demonic, babbling invective for years now seemingly unchecked, while the most innocuous anti-immigration member gets banned upon first site of posting a mere link to VDARE, for example, is ample evidence of who and what controls that site. Let's hope that all well-meaning true Americans who are still wasting time over there come to see the light.
2005-02-18 17:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]By any objective standard, the mere fact that at Free Republic 'Zionist Conspirator' has been allowed to spew his demonic, babbling invective for years now seemingly unchecked, while the most innocuous anti-immigration member gets banned upon first site of posting a mere link to VDARE, for example, is ample evidence of who and what controls that site. Let's hope that all well-meaning true Americans who are still wasting time over there come to see the light.[/QUOTE]
Amen, Colonel Travis. Selective "Hate" has always undergirded dank Rimjobistan...
2005-02-18 17:16 | User Profile
Quotes just placed in italic for emphasis.
2005-02-18 17:20 | User Profile
I sincerely hope this thread gets passed around. This is RimJob unmasked for all to see what a fraud "Free" Republic really is. The message that these NKVD types are sending here are avoid the "I + I" of "Free" Republic- Israel and immigration.
2005-02-19 19:59 | User Profile
Sertorius,
Thanks for saving this for us.
What foolishness in this post. "Blood and soil" nationalism is paleoconservatism! "Classical liberalism," whatever the hell that is, is not conservatism!
[QUOTE]To: quidnunc Sam Francis may have started out as a paleoconservatism, but he wandered far afield from this philosophy. His positions were quite different from those of Joe Sobran, who is basically a libertarian in the Catholic school of Lord Acton and Lew Rockwell. They were far more nationalist than those of Pat Buchanan or Michael Savage. Sam Francis represented a different school of thought than that of true American conservatism. The mainstream of limited government, individualist philosophy represented by John Locke, Adam Smith, Jefferson, Cleveland, Coolidge, Robert Taft, Sr., and Goldwater is true conservatism in the American sense. However, there is an American school of thought that is anti-classical liberal and more like the "blood and soil" conservatism of Europe. This tradition reveres Tom Watson, Theodore Bilbo, Henry Ford, Father Charles Coughlin, and (to some extent) Theodore Roosevelt and Huey Long, as their forbears. Many of the believers in Illuminati style conspiracies belong to this school. (In fairness, some conspiratorialists are classical liberals and some "blood and soil" types reject conspiratorialism.) With regard to foreign affairs, they are isolationist. Their economic views come closer to the distributism of Hilaire Belloc and G.K. Chesterton than to the laissez faire concepts of classical, Chicago, or Austrian school economics. They would have no problem with a return of de iure racial segregation. In the end, Sam Francis was no conservative in the American sense, and certainly not a paleoconservative. He was a "blood and soil" nationalist.
34 posted on 02/17/2005 8:36:59 AM PST by Wallace T. [/QUOTE]
2005-02-19 21:25 | User Profile
I have to disagree a bit Sert: that was a very, very good post. I think this person has it right in most every respect.
2005-02-19 21:28 | User Profile
In a saner, wiser and more more genuinely Patriotic time to soon come--the entire output of RimJob's RNC/ADL neo-con dominated litterbox will be truthfully reckoned as being less consequential than the meagerest paragraph in Dr. Sam's most forgettable column.
Rimjob is a traitor and a coward. Karma will yet flush this sorry turd.
2005-02-19 21:35 | User Profile
He was a "blood and soil" nationalist.
Which is fine, just so long as the nation in the nationalist is Israel. These people over at FR are some world class cowards.
2005-02-23 16:26 | User Profile
Bump.
2005-03-01 04:02 | User Profile
My friend the late Dr. Samuel Francis was not a man that could be categorized easily into preconceived popular political categories. Probably the best way to describe him was that he had one foot in the Paleo-Conservative camp and one in the camp of the more moderate White Nationalists. He was a defender of the old beuogeois order. but at the same time he called for European-American solidarity. As a result, some Paleo-cons considered him too racial and some White Nationalists thought he wasn't racial enough (or as critical of the Jews as he should have been.)
He was a student of Macheivelli and those great intrepeters of the author of "The Prince," Mosca and Pareto. Although he had a few reservations about some of his theories, he was a big admirer of James Burnham.
He was a uniquely talented man who could write both a syndicated column for the masses and books and articles for more highbrow publications. A man of his brilliance could have disdained political activism, but he was always ready to travel and speak before small groups in the Council of Conservative Citizens who coulldn't afford an honorarium. Frankly, I think the man is darned near irreplaceable.
2005-03-01 05:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=jay]I have to disagree a bit Sert: that was a very, very good post. I think this person has it right in most every respect.[/QUOTE]
I also concur. And I consider it a compliment to Dr. Francis, not a criticism, although I have no idea how it was intended.
2005-03-01 05:15 | User Profile
Corncod,
Greetings and welcome to the forum. As you can see, he has a lot of admirers on this forum and some on "Free" Republic as well.
2005-03-01 05:21 | User Profile
I thought it odd, and somewhat disappointing, that Sobran (I think) recently described Dr Francis as a Puritan and admirer of Cromwell, when I would have thought he would have had more sympathy for and identification with the aristocratic Cavaliers, given his background, intellect, and views. :confused:
2005-03-01 05:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=CornCod]Frankly, I think the man is darned near irreplaceable.[/QUOTE]
He IS irreplacable, however, his inferior replacements will consist of 20, or a 100 men, each perhaps half or a quarter as valuable, and so the power of his ideas will thus be multiplied, albeit in the (more numerous) pens of worthy, yet still lesser men. He won't be replaced by a man of his caliber, but his numerous inferior replacements will be far more influential than he was, by simple virtue of their numbers, as well as the increasingly vulnerable tenor of the times, as the internal contradictions of multinational corporate croney capitalism, neo-"conservative" imperialist militarism and its endless series of wars in the service of Zionism, "liberal" pseduo-democracy, multiculturalism and the dictatorship of the Politically Correct, becomes ever more evident to tens of millions of awakened Amercans, forced into poverty, alienation, displacement, victimization by foreign thugs, the crude vulgarity of "American culture," and all the assorted and diseased perversions which masquerade as contemporary American life under what is alleged to be the system bequeathed to us by the Founding Fathers. This abominable regime shall fall, and the ideas so eloquently given voice by the heroic Dr. Francis will play a disproportionate role in inspiring the citizenry to storm the citadels of neo-"conservative" and quasi-Marxist degeneracy. Onward to victory!
2005-03-01 05:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Stuka]I thought it odd, and somewhat disappointing, that Sobran (I think) recently described Dr Francis as a Puritan and admirer of Cromwell, when I would have thought he would have had more sympathy for and identification with the aristocratic Cavaliers, given his background, intellect, and views. :confused:[/QUOTE]
I'm a Catholic admirer of Cromwell, if you can imagine such a thing.
2005-03-01 06:09 | User Profile
Walter Yannis,
That does seem odd... [QUOTE]I'm a Catholic admirer of Cromwell, if you can imagine such a thing.[/QUOTE]
2005-03-01 11:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Walter Yannis]I'm a Catholic admirer of Cromwell, if you can imagine such a thing.[/QUOTE] Why not? White turkeys are known to vote for Christmas.