Samuel T. Francis, 1947-2005
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2005-02-16 16:29 | User Profile
Just heard. Very sad. A great man, whose legacy of words, ideas and inspiration will live on.
2005-02-16 16:33 | User Profile
Dear God. What a loss. The Old Right has lost one of it's greatest men.
2005-02-16 16:35 | User Profile
Rest in Peace, valiant Sam. You never betrayed our people...
2005-02-16 16:48 | User Profile
Sam Francis was a giant of the modern Old Right, and one of the few still willing to speak unfashionable truth to power. We have lost one of our best. Godspeed, Sam. May you rest in peace.
2005-02-16 16:50 | User Profile
Sam Francis's V-Dare columns are available at: [url]http://www.vdare.com/francis[/url] .
2005-02-16 16:53 | User Profile
Hugh,
I hope that you received erroneous information about this. I can't find anything on the web about this. Not VDARE, CCofC, Sam Francis.net, etc.
2005-02-16 16:57 | User Profile
**"It is not our task to secure the triumph of truth but ** ** merely to fight on its behalf." **
** Blaise Pascal**
2005-02-16 17:24 | User Profile
Sertorius,
I too hope that this is false hearsay and rumor, but I suspect it isn't. Of course, the little notes at VDARE and CofCC seemed to suggest that he was recovering and would soon return to writing, but that is what they say about everyone who is critically hospitalized. Not too many people live to say "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
If true (as I think it is), this is a great loss for the true American right. There were so few voices shouting against the din of Fox News, Weekly Standard, and Free Republic that every one with any name-recognition was precious.
2005-02-16 17:50 | User Profile
[url=http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4616 ]Sam Francis Dies at 57[/url]
Report; Posted on: 2005-02-16 11:39:18
Pro-White columnist will be missed by many. [img]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/francis_sam.jpg[/img] by Louis Andrews
I'M SAD TO REPORT that Sam Francis died last night of complications from his recent heart surgery. Funeral arrangements are pending.
The following is a brief biographical sketch on Samuel Francis (pictured).
Samuel Francis was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on April 29, 1947. He was educated at The Johns Hopkins University (B.A., 1969) and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, from which he received a Ph.D. in modern history in 1979. From 1977 to 1981, he was a policy analyst at The Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., specializing in foreign affairs, terrorism, and intelligence and internal security issues. From 1981 to 1986, he was legislative assistant for national security affairs to Senator John P. East (Republican - North Carolina) and worked closely with the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Security and Terrorism, of which Senator East was a member.
Mr. Francis joined the editorial staff of The Washington Times in 1986 as an editorial writer. He served as Deputy Editorial Page Editor of The Washington Times from 1987 to 1991, as Acting Editorial Page Editor from February to May, 1991, and as a staff columnist through September, 1995.
Mr. Francis received the Distinguished Writing Award for Editorial Writing of the American Society of Newspaper Editors (ASNE) in both 1989 and 1990. He was a finalist for the National Journalism Award (Walker Stone Prize) for Editorial Writing of the Scripps Howard Foundation in 1989 and 1990.
His twice-weekly column was nationally syndicated through Creators Syndicate.
Mr. Francis was the author of several articles and studies of international and domestic terrorism, including The Soviet Strategy of Terror (1981; rev. ed., 1985).
A prolific writer on issues of public policy, he published articles or reviews in numerous newspapers and magazines, including The New York Times, U.S.A. Today, National Review, The Occidental Quarterly, A Journal of Western Thought and Opinion, of which he was Associate and Book Editor, and Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, of which he was a Contributing Editor and for which he wrote a monthly column "Principalities and Powers."
He was the author of Power and History: The Political Thought of James Burnham (1984) and Beautiful Losers: Essays on the Failure of American Conservatism (1993) and a number of other books. He was also the editor of the forthcoming Race and the American Future (Washington Summit Publishers, 2005).
I first met Mr. Francis at an Institute for Historical Review event in 1990. He was one of the few writers of real establishment standing who were willing to risk it all on principle, and speak out against the defacement of America and the ongoing attempted genocide of our people. He will be missed. -- K.A.S.
2005-02-16 18:00 | User Profile
This is a terrible loss for our people.
I'm deeply saddened by his passing.
My sympathies to his family and friends.
May he rest in peace.
2005-02-16 18:06 | User Profile
R.I.P.
Dear God, Please don't let us all die out.
2005-02-16 18:15 | User Profile
It's a sad day indeed. I can't think of anyone else on the American Right of his intellectual calliber and insights. To be sure, there is still a fair share of articulate writers out there, but few of them bring any new ideas to the playing field. Nor are there many writers out there who so effectively bridge the gap between the racialist "fringe" and quasi-mainstream paleoconservatism. He will be missed.
2005-02-16 18:36 | User Profile
I know he was in bad shape- that he was obese, smoked too much, and then the heart surgery- but I never thought he'd succumb; not at a mere 57 years of age. I'm still too shocked to feel the loss yet.
I can imagine what the Official Obituaries are going to sound like....as if someone weird and sinister and infamous - a stubborn holdover from the blessedly-vanishing Bad Old Days - has met his ignoble end. Had he been born 25 or 30 years earlier, or later, he might be commemorated with the type of sentimental blather accorded the passing of August Personages. Sadly, he was not, and will not.
It was Francis' misfortune to have plied his trade in an era when up is down, black is white, fair is foul; and thus his even-keeled displays of clear-eyed common sense will instead be slid gingerly into a far corner with a long pole, as radioactive exhibits of [I]extremism[/I]. That he was an eloquent and impassioned defender of every American's right to the Republic we were founded as, rather than the tightly-regimented, bar-coded Empire the Usurpers of America have fashioned for us, will be little noted, save by us.
And whether the next generation even knows, or cares about, the difference between the two - now, [I]that's [/I] up to us as well.
RIP, Sam Francis.
2005-02-16 18:49 | User Profile
[quote=il ragno] I can imagine what the Official Obituaries are going to sound like....as if someone weird and sinister and infamous - a stubborn holdover from the blessedly-vanishing Bad Old Days - has met his ignoble end. Had he been born 25 or 30 years earlier, or later, he might be commemorated with the type of sentimental blather accorded the passing of August Personages. Sadly, he was not, and will not.
I doubt that any mainstream venues will even make note of his passing. "Conservative" talk radio certainly won't, except perhaps to gloat. I wonder if the Washington Times and National Review, two publications that just a couple of short decades ago ran his essays, will at least grant his memory any courtesy. On second thought, I hope they don't, the last thing we need to see is a smug "that's what happens to you when you take the wrong political turn" from Jonah Goldberg or Mona Charen.
2005-02-16 19:23 | User Profile
I am just devastated. I don't know if there is anyone who can take his place. Sam Francis is the writer most responsible for my current political beliefs. What a tragic day.
~~Amaara
2005-02-16 19:24 | User Profile
A tragic loss. Sincere condolences to his friends and family
2005-02-16 19:58 | User Profile
A very sad day indeed. Let us all honor his memory and continue the struggle.
SARTRE
2005-02-16 19:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]I can't think of anyone else on the American Right of his intellectual caliber and insights. To be sure, there is still a fair share of articulate writers out there, but few of them bring any new ideas to the playing field. Nor are there many writers out there who so effectively bridge the gap between the racialist "fringe" and quasi-mainstream paleoconservatism.[/QUOTE]
This was a role he played well. He had the stature and the understanding to do some of that bridging, which we so desperately need. The yawning chasm between the Disneyland of race-blind conservatism and the dark realm of white advocacy needs every bridge, rope and pulley it can get. The last years of his life were spent on that project, and he put in good work. As befitting a sharp-minded conservative, he saw in later years that traditional conservative advocacy -- calls moral values, freedom, security, etc. -- were increasingly useless abstractions in the face of Third World immigration, black pandemonium and dropping numbers of whites. And so, he said, the battle must be fought on more explicit racial terms by whites. Indeed it must be.
God bless him.
2005-02-16 20:01 | User Profile
The best and deepest thinker on the Right in our time. The one who contributed most to my thinking, and the one who actually seemed to see a way out of the crisis we are in.
This is a very sad day.
2005-02-16 20:02 | User Profile
Like most everyone here, my ideological outlook has been greatly influenced by the work of Dr. Francis, especially in the areas of ethnicity as it relates to true conservatism and how free-market capitalism can undermine and level culture.
A sad loss. My prayers are with his family.
2005-02-16 20:07 | User Profile
An tribute by Thomas Fleming can be read at chroniclesmagazine.org.
2005-02-16 20:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]This was a role he played well. He had the stature and the understanding to do some of that bridging, which we so desperately need. The yawning chasm between the Disneyland of race-blind conservatism and the dark realm of white advocacy needs every bridge, rope and pulley it can get. The last years of his life were spent on that project, and he put in good work. As befitting a sharp-minded conservative, he saw in later years that traditional conservative advocacy -- calls moral values, freedom, security, etc. -- were increasingly useless abstractions in the face of Third World immigration, black pandemonium and dropping numbers of whites. And so, he said, the battle must be fought on more explicit racial terms by whites. Indeed it must be.
God bless him.[/QUOTE]I agree, he was one of the few paleoconservatives WN genuinely ephasized with and respected. As such he did a valuble service for paleoconservatism. All in all though it is important to remember he remained a genuine conservative to an end, and his nationalism was always expressed in conservative terms. As such I always felt his real impact always was on conservatives. He was a genuinely unique thinker. His loss at this point almost seems incalculable. But I trust God will send others to us to take his place, and the cause Samuel so courageously fought for will continue.
He was only conservative really whose insights were so good occasionally that I just had to scan my copy of Chronicles in. His last work, [URL=http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16417&highlight=Francis]You Say You Want A Revolution[/URL] ,was in that category. To me I think it seemed to mark a reaffirmation of his ties with traditionalism, conservatism, and mainstream America, who though led astray he still felt had basically good conservative instincts. Perhaps, as most great men do, he had a certain prescience about his own moratlity as he wrote this essay, and wished his legacy to be clear.
It is a sad moment for all of us. RIP Samuel
2005-02-16 20:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Like most everyone here, my ideological outlook has been greatly influenced by the work of Dr. Francis, especially in the areas of ethnicity as it relates to true conservatism and how free-market capitalism can undermine and level culture.
A sad loss. My prayers are with his family.[/QUOTE]
Tex, let it be known that I found Original Dissent when the Sam Francis forum went down, what, 4 years ago or something. I had just discovered Sam Francis' writings on the internet and was immediately hooked at that time. I started lurking on the Francis forum when a week or two later, the board went down. One poster there, whom I can't remember, offered the Francis exiles the Original Dissent forum, and the rest is history.
Sam Francis is/was a real hero. I celebrate what time we had with this man and the things he taught us.
2005-02-16 20:35 | User Profile
Samuel T. Francis, 1947-2005
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2005-02-16 20:54 | User Profile
Great article from Dr Sam, such his ability to cut right through the bulldoodie with a laser guided pen. Man, he's going to be missed, big time.
2005-02-16 21:03 | User Profile
As others have noted, Francis was the bridge to true conservatism for many people. I first read his writings years ago on Vdare, and remembered being shocked at some of the things he wrote. I was shocked in a good way, though, as in shocked out of my stupor. What he wrote was taboo, but it also made complete sense. I owe my escape from the spell of the National Review-types in large measure to Francis. He will be missed.
2005-02-16 21:40 | User Profile
I wish I had been correct about Dr. Francis in my first post on this thread. I first became familiar with his writings when I joined the immigration reform group he wrote for. I have always enjoyed his writings and appreciated his no apology defense of the South.
R.I.P., and God love you, Sam.
2005-02-16 22:09 | User Profile
I just saw the announcement at American Renaissance... This is quite a loss.
2005-02-16 22:19 | User Profile
Poignant comments by Jared Taylor at the Amren site. Did Sam leave behind any family? He was a lifelong loner-bachelor as far as I know.
2005-02-16 22:57 | User Profile
Rest in peace Sam, may God bless your memory and legacy.
2005-02-16 23:04 | User Profile
Francis was the only reason I could see for anyone to continue subscribing to Middle American News and Chronicles, which tended to marginalize dissenters over time who were candid about Israel and Jewish influence.
Sobran no longer writes for Chronicles and his syndicated columns barely ever grace the pages of M.A.N. anymore--the latter never running any of his anti-Israel stuff and darn little of PJB's.
But at least you could always count on Francis to write something pithy and manage to get it into print.
This day sucks.
2005-02-16 23:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Buster]Poignant comments by Jared Taylor at the Amren site. Yes [URL=http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/02/author_and_colu.php]Jerod Taylor Remembers A Friend[/URL] > Did Sam leave behind any family? He was a lifelong loner-bachelor as far as I know.[/QUOTE].Sounds like he didn't, except his admirers. Glad Amren is picking up the ball for him.
2005-02-17 02:09 | User Profile
I have a P.O. box address where cards can be sent to his sister, Julie. I'm still new here, and I don't know about the wisdom of posting it in open forum. What should I do?
I first heard of Sam Francis in the mid-90s, when a "kook" acquaintance of mine told me that Francis had been fired from the "conservative" Washington Times for excessive honesty about race relations. My friend urged me to write a letter of protest to the Times. I declined, thinking to myself that this "Francis" guy probably was a racist.
This happened before my particular awakening, and of course I regret not having written that letter. In the years since, I've joined the C of CC and met Sam several times. The last time I saw him was this past December. As I posted elsewhere, he had lost a massive amount of weight, but it didn't look like healthy weight loss.
May God bless Sam Francis and have mercy upon his soul.
2005-02-17 02:19 | User Profile
Tizzard
No don't post the address, too many marxist and wiggers around. I ask would heritagelost about it. He was going to forward cards to Sam Francis. He could most likely do the same for his sister.
[QUOTE]I have a P.O. box address where cards can be sent to his sister, Julie. I'm still new here, and I don't know about the wisdom of posting it in open forum. What should I do?
I first heard of Sam Francis in the mid-90s, when a "kook" acquaintance of mine told me that Francis had been fired from the "conservative" Washington Times for excessive honesty about race relations. My friend urged me to write a letter of protest to the Times. I declined, thinking to myself that this "Francis" guy probably was a racist.
This happened before my particular awakening, and of course I regret not having written that letter. In the years since, I've joined the C of CC and met Sam several times. The last time I saw him was this past December. As I posted elsewhere, he had lost a massive amount of weight, but it didn't look like healthy weight loss.
May God bless Sam Francis and have mercy upon his soul.[/QUOTE]
2005-02-17 02:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Tizzard
No don't post the address, too many marxist and wiggers around. I ask would heritagelost about it. He was going to forward cards to Sam Francis. He could most likely do the same for his sister.[/QUOTE]
"Heritage" probably has the same address that I do. OK, I won't post it.
Maybe Heritage should accept PM requests from the forum. I imagine he'd know who's OK and who isn't.
2005-02-17 02:29 | User Profile
My God, what terrible news.
This is a sad, sad day.
My prayers go out to his family.
2005-02-17 02:40 | User Profile
Tizzard,
heritagelost did post a address for cards, it was a CofCC address. He was going to then forward cards to Sam Francis. He could most likely do the same for his sister.
Here is the post: [QUOTE]Those close to Sam Francis have decided that he has to many enemies to broadcast where he is. [since left wingers are known for violence]
So letters can be sent to Sam at this P.O. Box and will be delivered to Sam Francis in person.
Samuel Francis c/o D.C. Area CofCC P.O. 2221 Ashburn, VA 20146-2221
Updates on Sam's condition will be posted on the CofCC website, [url]http://www.cofcc.org[/url] as they become available.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16589&page=2[/url] [/QUOTE]
2005-02-17 02:45 | User Profile
[center][img]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/images/samueltfrancis.jpg[/img][/center]
[center]*Samuel T. Francis, 1947-2005 [/center] [center]A Brief Statement*[/center]
[center][url="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/www/News/Francis05/NewsSF021605b.html"]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/www/News/Francis05/NewsSF021605b.html[/url][/center]
[center] A Word From Thomas Fleming[/center] [center][url="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Francis05/NewsSF021605.html"]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Francis05/NewsSF021605.html [/url][/center] [center] [/center] [center] [/center] [center]*Dr. Francis' column from the March 2005 issue of Chronicles* [/center] [center][url="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/www/Chronicles/2005/March2005/0305Principalities.html"]http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/www/Chronicles/2005/March2005/0305Principalities.html[/url][/center]
[center] [/center] [center][url="http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/"]http://www.ChroniclesMagazine.org[/url]**[/center]
[center]Jared Taylor remembers a friend[/center] [center][url="http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/02/sam_francis.php"]http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/02/sam_francis.php[/url][/center]
[center]In memory of Sam Francis, today we post a[/center] [center]selection of his articles from American Renaissance.[/center] [center][color=darkred]February 16, 2005[/color][/center] [center][url="http://www.amren.com/"]http://www.amren.com/[/url][/center]
[center]List of Sam Francis articles at National Vanguard[/center] [center][url="http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4616"]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4616[/url][/center]
2005-02-17 02:49 | User Profile
I just heard about this. Very sad. My condolences to his surviving kin.
Sam Francis will be missed. I never met the man, but did exchange a few emails with him once.
I know many WN were frustrated with some of his self-imposed restrictions on what he could say in print, but Francis was acting as a bridge between mainstream conservatism and WN, and I think we'll miss very much such bridges like Francis now that he is gone. We need more open doors of dialogue between opposing camps, not more "you are with me 100%, or you are the enemy" type thinking which we have seen far too much of in every camp.
Sam Francis, we salute your memory. We can't replace you, but we can perhaps try to live up to some of the high standards that you set.
2005-02-17 03:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]I know many WN were frustrated with some of his self-imposed restrictions on what he could say in print, but Francis was acting as a bridge between mainstream conservatism and WN[/QUOTE]
That's exactly right. There's an awful lot of ideological territory between the Republican Party and WN. Few traverse it in a single leap. Most people need stepping stones: Buchanan and Taki, Flemming, Reese, Sobran, and of course Francis. That's how I got here.
2005-02-17 03:58 | User Profile
By far my favorite columnist.
RIP.
2005-02-17 04:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Tex, let it be known that I found Original Dissent when the Sam Francis forum went down, what, 4 years ago or something. I had just discovered Sam Francis' writings on the internet and was immediately hooked at that time. I started lurking on the Francis forum when a week or two later, the board went down. One poster there, whom I can't remember, offered the Francis exiles the Original Dissent forum, and the rest is history.
Sam Francis is/was a real hero. I celebrate what time we had with this man and the things he taught us.[/QUOTE]
Tex, let it be known that my story is IDENTICAL to xmetal's.
During the summer of Election 2000, I was getting a mailer called "The Conservative Chronicle" at the time. In the same mag as Bozell, Will, etc, I found a guy named Sam Francis. I could not WAIT for the mail each week to read what he said!
I looked him up online, found SFOF, and followed you all on here. He has influenced me more than any writer (P Brimelow and Buchanan & Sobran also help). He's a hero. I always emailed him saying, "Sir, you're a hero. Keep up the good work - you have at least this guy cheering you on!"
2005-02-17 06:45 | User Profile
I loathe this two-faced, no good, faux ...
[QUOTE] Samuel Francis**
I am saddened to hear of the death of Sam Francis, one of the leading figures of the paleoconservative movement.
I began reading Samââ¬â¢s columns when I started subscribing to Chronicles in 1987, and they were always my chief reason for reading the magazine. I first met him in 1990. I was in Washington for a few days doing some lobbying on Capitol Hill for FAIR, and got together with him one afternoon in a bar near the Washington Times where we talked for a couple of hours. As we were saying goodby on the sidewalk, I was thinking about his overweightness and his smoking, and said something like, ââ¬ÅYou should take better care of yourself. Youââ¬â¢re a valuable person.ââ¬Â He smiled a bit at that.
*My very first impression of him, as I entered the bar that day and saw him sitting behind a table waiting for me, was of the stereotype of the small town American, looking through narrowed suspicious eyes at any strangers passing through town. *
My second, and more enduring, impression of his personality, derived from conferences and other get togethers over the years, and superceding his trademark gloominess, was of a big, rotund baby with red cheeks, happy and at ease when among a group of people he liked, and, as he was described independently by both a male and a female acquaintance, ââ¬Åadorable.ââ¬Â I think Sam wanted what we all want, a sense of community, of feeling at home among kindred spirits. And I think it was the fact that America was becoming less and less of a place where he could have such feelings that motivated his politics. Posted by Lawrence Auster at [url="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003097.html"][color=#800080]07:20 PM[/color][/url] [/QUOTE] ** [url="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003097.html"]http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003097.html[/url]
2005-02-17 06:58 | User Profile
Sam Francis R.I.P.
Yes, Sam Francis was the best columnist writing today. I found his Home Page from a link on the American Renaissance site. I found the AR from a link on Jim Kalb's Homepage. I was one of the first members of the Sam Francis Forum and was the #1 poster with something like 3600 posts on the Sam Francis Forum.
2005-02-17 07:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]Sam Francis R.I.P.
Yes, Sam Francis was the best columnist writing today. I found his Home Page from a link on the American Renaissance site. I found the AR from a link on Jim Kalb's Homepage. I was one of the first members of the Sam Francis Forum and was the #1 poster with something like 3600 posts on the Sam Francis Forum.[/QUOTE]
Posh. I happen to remember that a guy named Piers Plowman was the #1 poster at Sam's old board...
:thumbsup:
2005-02-17 08:14 | User Profile
To the appropriate people with the resources, collecting Mr. Francis' finest words into a tome in memoriam would be befitting. Or if we really want to honor his memory, continuators of his legacy could set up something like a Samuel Francis Research Society, whose purpose would be to explain and defend authentic American civilization by means of first-class scholarship. This would be even more befitting for such an excellent and exemplary man.
2005-02-17 18:14 | User Profile
There will apparently be a posthumously published book titled Race and the American Future. That would be a fitting last book. That's pretty much what it's all about.
2005-02-17 18:18 | User Profile
This is literally the worst thing to happen to America since George W. Bush's minions managed to steal the Ohio delegation to the Electoral College.
Dr. Francis was a truly great and brilliant man, and his valiant and patriotic efforts on behalf of the authentic American nation, his beloved Southland, and the very structure of Western Civilization itself, shall be remembered and praised by future historians. His tragic demise contributes to the peril we all presently face, and we owe him our most sincere and hearty thanks for having done so much, and worked so hard, for arguably one of the least rewarding (in the sense that the ruling class does not issue rewards for its pursuit) fields of human endeavour: The noble and just, and for that matter sacred, struggle to defend and preserve our European-descended folk, here in America, and around the world.
God Bless Dr. Francis. We are unlikely to see his like again, perhaps, and yet it is precisely his like that is needed to stave off the imminent cultural apocalypse of our society, and the literal destruction of all that is good within it. Thus it behooves us all, most forcibly, to emulate his sterling example.
Good luck out there, Dr. Francis.
2005-02-17 18:27 | User Profile
One could take the death of Sam Francis with a little less pain if there was someone who could replace him and speak for our movement with the same candor, skill and courage.
2005-02-17 18:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I agree, he was one of the few paleoconservatives WN genuinely ephasized with and respected.
This is because, as I see it, Dr. Francis was BOTH a paleo-conserative AND a White Nationalist. The two are hardly in any innate conflict. Indeed, the opposite is almost true. Dr. Francis was hardly the only paleo-con with WN sympathies (Messrs. Buchanan and Sobran spring to mind), but he was, to a unique extent that was far greater than any other contemporary, semi-mainstream figure, and thus he was, for all practical puroses, the only paleo-con leader to openly, publicly and forthrightly express his perfectly moderate and reasoned sympathies with the cause of White Nationalism/our survival. That is reason enough to be greatly saddened on this dark day.
2005-02-17 18:56 | User Profile
Sam Francis was a giant, but I doubt the cause of white advocacy will end with his death.
New voices will step up.
2005-02-17 19:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Sam Francis was a giant, but I doubt the cause of white advocacy will end with his death.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, but we need such voices RIGHT NOW, and his was arguably the most useful of all. But just as the [url=http://www.natvan.com]National Alliance[/url] has outlived the death of Dr. Pierce (largely thanks to Kevin Alfred Strom and the four other members of the Executive Committee), or how the Republican Party was not killed off by John Wilkes Booth, White patriots will continue to insist that our extinction is not something we favor.
2005-02-17 19:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]Sam Francis was a giant, but I doubt the cause of white advocacy will end with his death.
New voices will step up.[/QUOTE]
Indeed they will Hugh, but it's not likely to happen in mainstream venues with national syndication like Creators. Old Guard types like Francis and Roberts gained and retained their platform because they came up in and earned credentials in an era now gone. Those paths have now been sealed off for any new young upstarts, so they'll have to go around them via alternative media and the like.
2005-02-17 19:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Indeed they will Hugh, but it's not likely to happen in mainstream venues with national syndication like Creators. Old Guard types like Francis and Roberts gained and retained their platform because they came up in and earned credentials in an era now gone. Those paths have now been sealed off for any new young upstarts, so they'll have to go around them via alternative media and the like.[/QUOTE]
That begs the question....what does it take to get onboard with Creators Syndicate?
2005-02-17 19:27 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Old Guard types like Francis and Roberts gained and retained their platform because they came up in and earned credentials in an era now gone. Those paths have now been sealed off for any new young upstarts, so they'll have to go around them via alternative media and the like.[/QUOTE]
You got that right. Paul Craig Roberts would certainly never be Deputy Treasury Secretary in the Dumbya administration, the way he was under Reagan. They don't let patriots anywhere near the levers of power in the post-Cold War era.
2005-02-17 20:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Indeed they will Hugh, but it's not likely to happen in mainstream venues with national syndication like Creators. Old Guard types like Francis and Roberts gained and retained their platform because they came up in and earned credentials in an era now gone. Those paths have now been sealed off for any new young upstarts, so they'll have to go around them via alternative media and the like.[/QUOTE]
I agree. That ship has sailed, and running madly down the shore waving at it may be a useless endeavor.
I don't have high hopes for The American Conservative, though I do subscribe and enjoy reading it. It just won't go near direct advocacy for white folks. PJB, Taki and "Soft Serve" Sailer write nice stuff, but none of them are on the front line. TAC is just what National Review should be, but isn't. In other words, TAC won't be a launching point for white advocacy journalists and writers. Strom obviously is on the front lines, but that necessarily cuts him off from mainstream "respectability." Even Jared Taylor, despite the uniqueness of his approach, is closer to a KAS than a Sam Francis because he didn't do nearly the laboring in the vineyards of connism and wasn't established as a mainstream writer before launching AR. That is to say, he was a white advocate from the get-go, more or less, and thus might find himself pinned down with the rare TV appearance and unknown radio shows. But I don't know how hard he's trying to market himself as a voice available for mainstream media. Bet TAC would balk at running a Taylor column.
I wish I could completely dismiss mainstream conservatism, but like many of you, this is the club I hung out in since college and through law school. And I just can't shake the thought that the GOP is loaded with potential recruits. But query whether hanging out in that club was a necessary prerequisite for recognizing the fact of white dispossession in America. I mean, I saw Don Black on "Nightline," not "Firing Line," and sometime thereafter took a peek at the forbidden Stormfront.
Maybe the death of Sam Francis was really the end of any utility mainstream conservatism had for whites. The remaining cons won't have us or hear us. So **** 'em. New day, new battle.
2005-02-17 21:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Hugh Lincoln]But query whether hanging out in that club was a necessary prerequisite for recognizing the fact of white dispossession in America[/QUOTE]
I think so, Hugh. You know as well as I that ideas don't just spring up out of thin air. There are social and demographic dynamics/trends at work that are ruthlessly serving to forge new ideological lines of demarcation in our body politic. The old lights plant the seeds that grow in the next generation, who invariably are more radical than the preceding one if the social/demographic trends continue unabated.
All that to say that yes, where we've been was a necessary prerequisite for where we are now and where we go in the future. In a sense, that finding a place to call home for our sons and grandsons is the basic drive at work, as it probably always has been.
We stand on the shoulders of the giants that came before us and it is our duty to carry it into the future. As things like multicultural political correctness and massive 3rd world immigration continue unchecked by those in power to do actually do something about it, we white men who care about such things will become more and more racially and ethnically focused and our politics will start to reflect it more and more.
2005-02-17 22:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=AntiYuppie]I doubt that any mainstream venues will even make note of his passing. "Conservative" talk radio certainly won't, except perhaps to gloat. I wonder if the Washington Times and National Review, two publications that just a couple of short decades ago ran his essays, will at least grant his memory any courtesy. On second thought, I hope they don't, the last thing we need to see is a smug "that's what happens to you when you take the wrong political turn" from Jonah Goldberg or Mona Charen.[/QUOTE]
Zionist Conspirator comments:
Enjoying the face-to-face with the Jewish G-d Who created you, Sammy???
60 posted on 02/17/2005 12:41:26 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
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2005-02-17 22:50 | User Profile
Recluse,
That's par for the course for this [I]shabbos goy.[/I] I do see that he is receiving return fire.
2005-02-17 23:06 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Recluse,
That's par for the course for this [I]shabbos goy.[/I] I do see that he is receiving return fire.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and you can bet that everyone on that thread that laments Sam's passing just got on a short list of the next to be banned. Those bashing Dr. Francis include one of FR's chief FROBL's (Free Republic Open Borders Lobby, a Sam Francis phrase, BTW), hchutch, and a Negress (Cyborg). You can bet that the Mau Maus that patrol every thread looking for Whites to step out of line, mhking, rdb3, and others, will show up soon. That 'groid rdb3 should wake up every day and thank whatever pile of dung he prays to that he's on a forum where White men have to hold their tongue.
2005-02-17 23:15 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.[/QUOTE]
At last Free Republic has found its motto!
[QUOTE]That begs the question....what does it take to get onboard with Creators Syndicate?[/QUOTE]
From now on? A far lower level of radioactivity, you betcha.
2005-02-17 23:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]From now on? A far lower level of radioactivity, you betcha.[/QUOTE]
Well, they still run lefty anti-zionist Cockburn...he's pretty "radioactive" depending on who you ask.
Didn't Sobran once have a column with a major syndicator between his NR days and today's Web-only/Wanderer stuff?
2005-02-17 23:53 | User Profile
I too, was on the old SF board. Got to here from there. He was a great man and led me too the many truths I was looking for. Made some good friends on that board. I remember Piers, wasn't that you, Faust?
2005-02-18 02:13 | User Profile
LA Refugee
[QUOTE]I too, was on the old SF board. Got to here from there. He was a great man and led me too the many truths I was looking for. Made some good friends on that board. I remember Piers, wasn't that you, Faust?[/QUOTE]
Yes I am him.
2005-02-18 02:31 | User Profile
Recluse,
To: freedom44 [I]Even when it comes to Israel, evangelicals are out of step with American Jews and Israelis ââ¬â most of whom would agree to trade land for peace if a viable peace plan were proposed. Evangelicals, by contrast, support the maximalist ideology of the most fundamentalist Jewish settlers, who view territorial concessions as suicidal.[/I]
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. Those dreat bid bad evangelicals are "at odds" with the self-haters who want to "trade land for peace."
I've got news for Jewish liberals who bash evangelicals. There are Noachides out here. And wait till you get a load of us!!!
And btw, Mel Gibson is a Catholic, not an evengelical. Not that an ignoramus like the authoress is capable of telling the difference. "They all look alike to me."
It's about time the Rabbinic courts assumed civil authority over all Jews and we'll see just how "Jewish" these liberals are.
35 posted on 02/16/2005 4:50:21 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
This clown is in another world.
2005-02-18 02:51 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Recluse,
To: freedom44 [I]Even when it comes to Israel, evangelicals are out of step with American Jews and Israelis ââ¬â most of whom would agree to trade land for peace if a viable peace plan were proposed. Evangelicals, by contrast, support the maximalist ideology of the most fundamentalist Jewish settlers, who view territorial concessions as suicidal.[/I]
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. Those dreat bid bad evangelicals are "at odds" with the self-haters who want to "trade land for peace."
I've got news for Jewish liberals who bash evangelicals. There are Noachides out here. And wait till you get a load of us!!!
And btw, Mel Gibson is a Catholic, not an evengelical. Not that an ignoramus like the authoress is capable of telling the difference. "They all look alike to me."
It's about time the Rabbinic courts assumed civil authority over all Jews and we'll see just how "Jewish" these liberals are.
35 posted on 02/16/2005 4:50:21 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
This clown is in another world.[/QUOTE]
You can see why a lot of Jews are very nervous about the Jew/CZ alliance. :eek:
2005-02-18 02:56 | User Profile
They just pulled the thread on 'FR' about Francis. I reckon J.R. has all the names he needs for the Cyber Mossad to get rolling in the black Marias late tonight. :caiphas: :cool2: :ninja: :bash: :pimp:
2005-02-18 03:50 | User Profile
This includes revocation of my posting privileges. I think I made it to three posts, but the number kept changing because they kept yanking things. How many people, and how much time, is spent hunting for those who stray from the boundaries of neocon acceptability? I mean, really. If you're taking up this task of your own accord, well, you're either Jewish or you've adopted their goals and aspirations as your own, as KMac might say. But if you're assigned to it, what are you thinking? I guess I may as well ask the white gentile FBI agent sent to the ADL training session what [I]he's[/I] thinking... which may not be much. Lord hopes some of those guys have an independent turn of mind.
2005-02-18 04:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]Zionist Conspirator comments:
Enjoying the face-to-face with the Jewish G-d Who created you, Sammy???
60 posted on 02/17/2005 12:41:26 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
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[url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344860/posts?page=60#60[/url][/QUOTE] I don't know about you guys, but if I thought that God was a Jew, I'd be a Satanist.
Or, conversely, a Gnostic, since obviously the Jewish God that this guy worships is the Old Testament version who believes in mass murder and genocide, rape, and dispossesion of anyone who gets in the way of his "chosen" people.
In other words, the real "Satanists" are Jews and Noahides like this idiot posting on FR, who is so obviously in love with The Prince Of This World, and is so eager to pledge his loyalty to Him.
2005-02-18 04:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Recluse,
To: freedom44 [I]Even when it comes to Israel, evangelicals are out of step with American Jews and Israelis ââ¬â most of whom would agree to trade land for peace if a viable peace plan were proposed. Evangelicals, by contrast, support the maximalist ideology of the most fundamentalist Jewish settlers, who view territorial concessions as suicidal.[/I]
Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. Those dreat bid bad evangelicals are "at odds" with the self-haters who want to "trade land for peace."
I've got news for Jewish liberals who bash evangelicals. There are Noachides out here. And wait till you get a load of us!!!
And btw, Mel Gibson is a Catholic, not an evengelical. Not that an ignoramus like the authoress is capable of telling the difference. "They all look alike to me."
It's about time the Rabbinic courts assumed civil authority over all Jews and we'll see just how "Jewish" these liberals are.
35 posted on 02/16/2005 4:50:21 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu adolam.)
This clown is in another world.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and that other world is "Free" Republic. I knew the writing was on the wall when I started seeing these Jewish Supremicists and Noahides showing up and posting their hate all over FR, whilst anyone who contradicted them got banned.
Obviously RimJob's opposition to "racism" is strictly kosher style "antiracism".
Those Rabbinic Courts will be passing out death sentences to Gentiles, as well, if they refuse to worship Jews as Gods on Earth, as the Noahides do.
Sick, sick, sick - one simply can't believe seeing this depravity so openly displayed.
2005-02-18 04:25 | User Profile
( Edit: never mind, I just saw the other thread pertaining to Alex's comments; since everything I said has been more or less said by others, I'll leave well enough alone. )
VNN thread here:
[url]http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=15348[/url]
Alex Linder lives down to my expectations, as always. At least one can't accuse him of inconsistency.
Alex doesn't seem to grasp the difference between being a theoretician, and being a political activist. Sam Francis was never an activist, ever. It's ridiculous to judge him by the standards of an activist, yet that's all that Alex understands.
Nor would Francis' "naming the Jew" have accomplished anything except losing him his job, and thus, radically reducing his chances of influencing new people and bringing them over to our understanding of things.
We need as many "half way houses to White Nationalism" as we can; Sam Francis was one of them, and he was in fact closer to WN than anyone else who had actual access to the Mainstream Media.
Francis has influenced thousands of people in positive ways; sure he hasn't accomplished anything "political" but that was never his goal. Conversely, one has to ask what Alex Linder has accomplished, apart from setting WN's at each other's throats.
The sad fact is that we are living in an interregnum in which any approach, no matter how radical, is simply not going to produce much in the way of immediate results. Only small "foundation building" exercises, aimed at long term gains, are going to prove at all useful in the long run.
Alex: it's not Sam Francis' fault that things are the way they are, and asking him to do a suicide run "for the cause" accomplishes nothing at all. It's easy to demand ideological purity of others, when you yourself already have nothing to lose anyway.
Comments on Stormfront much more respectful:
[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=185670[/url]
Note that forums such as this one, or VNN, or Stormfront, are far more tolerant of diverse viewpoints than those RimJob sycophants over at "Free" Republic!
The irony.
2005-02-18 04:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Recluse]You can see why a lot of Jews are very nervous about the Jew/CZ alliance. :eek:[/QUOTE] Not really; I think most of them understand that the Christian Zionists and Noahides are simply useful idiots who will be cast aside once they have served their purpose. They don't have any real power that wasn't given to them by Jewish media, Jewish political influence, and Jewish money.
Ever notice how the only Christian radio or TV out there "just happens" to be Christian Zionist? Gee, I wonder if the FCC has any influence over this.....
Since I doubt that Jews are really worried about Jesus showing up at Armageddon and demanding their conversion to Christianity, I think liberal Jews who worry out loud about the Jewish/CZ alliance are doing so as a rhetorical exercise or for purposes of internal Jewish politics, not because they are really all that worried about the goyim CZ types getting "out of control". Nor are they really that worried about "rabbinic courts". It's all really just internal Jewish politics which we don't entirely understand as outside observers.
2005-02-18 08:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]Didn't Sobran once have a column with a major syndicator between his NR days and today's Web-only/Wanderer stuff?[/QUOTE]
Apparently, as what appeared be a syndicated column authored by Mr. Sobran used to appear about every ten days or so in the San Jose Mercury News (I was under the impression they declined to run most of his columns, but did occasionally deem some worthy of print).
2005-02-18 09:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Note that forums such as this one, or VNN, or Stormfront, are far more tolerant of diverse viewpoints than those RimJob sycophants over at "Free" Republic!
The irony.[/QUOTE]
Not to be a nitpicker, but as I'm sure you'll agree upon closer inspection, there's nothing remotely ironic about it. We represent, from an ideological standpoint, the primary champions of ordered, Western-style liberty. They are the totallitarian, fanatical blood-enemies of ALL that is good, with "ordered, Western-style liberty," near the very top of their hit list.
I remain an agnostic (although sometimes, in my more strident moments, I employ the term "Atheist," my innate uncertainty about the true nature of the Universe makes its use somewhat inaccurate in my case), and hence the existence of a Satan/Lucifer/"the Devil" sort of being is very difficult for me to comment upon intelligently, as I'm still trying to discern (or dismiss) the existence of his Godly antithesis. With that said, however, I think the point of the alleged existence of a Dark Prince (so to speak), within the context of our primary contemporary struggles against the Jews and their deceived tools & criminal collaborators, as well as those similar conflicts of recent decades, is rather moot. Does it really matter if our enemies our servants of Satan? How would that make them any worse than they already are? You can't freeze beyond absolute zero, after all.
2005-02-18 13:55 | User Profile
I'm on the verge of being banned at the Hannity board for posting a respectful tribute to Sam.
Note this post in the "tattle to the moderator" forum! (posts start at the bottom and go up).
[url]http://www.hannity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142039[/url]
2005-02-18 13:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=grep14w]Not really; I think most of them understand that the Christian Zionists and Noahides are simply useful idiots who will be cast aside once they have served their purpose. They don't have any real power that wasn't given to them by Jewish media, Jewish political influence, and Jewish money.
Ever notice how the only Christian radio or TV out there "just happens" to be Christian Zionist? Gee, I wonder if the FCC has any influence over this.....
Since I doubt that Jews are really worried about Jesus showing up at Armageddon and demanding their conversion to Christianity, I think liberal Jews who worry out loud about the Jewish/CZ alliance are doing so as a rhetorical exercise or for purposes of internal Jewish politics, not because they are really all that worried about the goyim CZ types getting "out of control". Nor are they really that worried about "rabbinic courts". It's all really just internal Jewish politics which we don't entirely understand as outside observers.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm sure Pastor John Hagee has appetites for a lot more than just pork chops, and no doubt there are plenty of files on him and many of the other Christian Zionist leaders that will make it easy enough to dismiss them when the time comes, still Hymie's schemes and alliances don't always work out for the best. For example...
South Africa: Jews Complain of Racial Quotas News; Posted on: 2005-02-18 00:35:38 [ Printer friendly ] World Jewish Relief volunteer spends time in South Africa, reports that Jews virtually unemployable.
World Jewish Relief says: "The government has set a target for all businesses to accurately reflect the national demography in terms of the racial background of staff in their workplace by 2006.
"This means that in a year's time, 80 per staff of staff must be black and 20 per cent white, with huge fines and other penalties for companies who fail to meet the criteria.
"The current trend among skilled labour is in exactly the opposite proportion, which means that Jews are being laid off on a massive scale and those currently out of work are virtually unemployable."
[url]http://www.nationalvanguard.org/[/url]
2005-02-18 14:17 | User Profile
Recluse,
That's interesting and it is interesting to note that the only thing the ADL agrees with conservatives on is the need to eliminate racial quotas. Of course they do it not out of any sense of principle but their own selfishness. I wonder how many Jews regret their past support of the ANC?
2005-02-18 16:29 | User Profile
Ed -
Can you slap down some Hannity tattling for me to see? I'm banned 9 different ways from Sean Hannity's website.
2005-02-18 16:53 | User Profile
A Google News search brought up only one obituary of Dr. Francis from its "4,500 news sources"--from the Moonie-owned Washington Times--which had dropped Sam's column several years ago at the demand of the Neo-Cons.
"Sam Francis, Columnist, 57, Dies" [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050216-111354-3083r.htm[/url]
2005-02-18 17:20 | User Profile
[I]For hugh: note I'm not involved in this thread[/I]
"Not agreeing Israeli foreign policy and hating Jews are two different ideals....neither you nor Buchanan can discern the difference between the two, and thats why you are both pathetic human beings. "
"I have, and you either made excuses for them, or said they were taken out of context.
I have a little more respect for Buchannan than I do for you, becuase at least he says what he means, and he is convicted in his beliefs and will not make excuses (usually) for them.
You on the other hand, make excuses for othet peoples racist behavior, to justify your alignment with only their political ideology.
If you hate jews and blacks, then admit it. Dont pull a Byrd and make excuses for your racism....thats cowardess in its most pure form. You hide your convictions becuase you are afraid of what other people think and afraid of how people will judge you? Grow a spine, or re-evaluate your opinions and change as necessary so you are not in conflict with yourself."
Whats wrong with asking for prayers? Just because you hate the persons ideology doesnt mean we all do..
"It doesnt surprise me that you dont mind racism. Buchannan hates Jews, and Francis hates Blacks, and thats ok with you....
You ever sell a car to a Jew or a Black? "
Every day. How does Buchanan hate Jews? Because he questions their power in washington?? Because he hates our supposed ally spying on us?
Gee I guess everyone that questions our ties is now an antisemitc huh?
beretta391 wrote: Whats wrong with asking for prayers? Just because you hate the persons ideology doesnt mean we all do..
"There was a thread, asking for prayers for the paleocons favorite sheet donning cross burner, Sam Francis (may he sweat in hell)
I published the url of his website, so that I could inform the people sending prayers for him to be educated what type of bafoon this 'man' really was.
the Council of Conservative Citizens website is a G-rated white supremacy site, of which Francis is a founding member and head sheet wearing editor. I dont want to get banned for posting a site that some may consider offensive.
If the site promulgates white supremacy, but does it in a 'g-rated' posture, and I reference the site so that people can make an informed decision on Francis, is it ok?"