← Autodidact Archive · Original Dissent · xmetalhead
Thread ID: 16793 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2005-02-16
2005-02-16 14:24 | User Profile
With the coming breakup of America due to the soon-to-be World War III and military draft along with the certainty of an internet shutdown/ban what are the contigency plans for us?
How do we remain in contact when the Collapse hits? We'll need all the help we can get. Any ideas? I think it's a good time to talk about it.
2005-02-16 15:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]With the coming breakup of America due to the soon-to-be World War III and military draft along with the certainty of an internet shutdown/ban what are the contigency plans for us?
How do we remain in contact when the Collapse hits? We'll need all the help we can get. Any ideas? I think it's a good time to talk about it.[/QUOTE] Sidestepping the issue of whether a general collapse is truly imminent, I think it is prudent to at least have physical addresses and phone numbers for the other members of the forum with whom you see eye-to-eye and about whose non-trollishness you are certain. You could have one or two people be the central contacts, but a decentralized system seems like it would be better.
2005-02-16 16:05 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]Sidestepping the issue of whether a general collapse is truly imminent, I think it is prudent to at least have physical addresses and phone numbers for the other members of the forum with whom you see eye-to-eye and about whose non-trollishness you are certain. You could have one or two people be the central contacts, but a decentralized system seems like it would be better.[/QUOTE]
Q, good point. To expand a little further on your point, I think addresses and phone numbers should be exchanged by those within proximity to one another. Although I might see eye-to-eye with you, you might be in the Midwest whilst I'm in the Northeast. In that case it might not be mutually beneficial say if phone systems are severely limited or out of service and/or there's a gasoline shortage as well.
What about regionally centralized system? I'm only trying to learn here, it's not about a right way or wrong way, it's just to open dialogue. Some have talked about heading for the deep forest and camping out, which is an option, but what about those who'd rather confront the coming malestrom with like-minded folks?
2005-02-16 16:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Q, good point. To expand a little further on your point, I think addresses and phone numbers should be exchanged by those within proximity to one another. Although I might see eye-to-eye with you, you might be in the Midwest whilst I'm in the Northeast. In that case it might not be mutually beneficial say if phone systems are severely limited or out of service and/or there's a gasoline shortage as well.
What about regionally centralized system? I'm only trying to learn here, it's not about a right way or wrong way, it's just to open dialogue. Some have talked about heading for the deep forest and camping out, which is an option, but what about those who'd rather confront the coming malestrom with like-minded folks?[/QUOTE] I don't think many folks here would be enthusiastic about giving their names and addresses to be be on some list of far-right sympathizers. Instead, it might be more realistic to pick a few areas or towns that could be rendezvous spots in case of such a scenario. Clearly this area or town would be isolated from the conflagration and violence (occurring in urban areas and their outlying suburbs and exurbs). So, places like Northern Maine, or even the Canadian provinces like New Brunswick or Nova Scotia would be ideal. In case we can't figure out who is one of us we have a secret phrase, such as, "The weather in Belgrade is wonderful this time of year." And unless someone replies, "Yes, and likewise in Mosocw," we move on.
2005-02-16 16:47 | User Profile
I don't think that any of you lives anywhere near me, remember that I am way up on the hills of Oregon and away from everyone.
2005-02-16 16:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Jack Cassidy]I don't think many folks here would be enthusiastic about giving their names and addresses to be be on some list of far-right sympathizers. Instead, it might be more realistic to pick a few areas or towns that could be rendezvous spots in case of such a scenario. Clearly this area or town would be isolated from the conflagration and violence (occurring in urban areas and their outlying suburbs and exurbs). So, places like Northern Maine, or even the Canadian provinces like New Brunswick or Nova Scotia would be ideal. In case we can't figure out who is one of us we have a secret phrase, such as, "The weather in Belgrade is wonderful this time of year." And unless someone replies, "Yes, and likewise in Mosocw," we move on.[/QUOTE]
I like this idea Jack. We should work on it.
What's the contigency plan if the internet is severely restricted and censored? I guess alot of this is in God's hand.
2005-02-17 02:07 | User Profile
xmetalhead,
Yes Something to think about. Maybe those who do not live in Aztlan could help others who do relocate.
2005-02-17 06:28 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]I like this idea Jack. We should work on it.
What's the contigency plan if the internet is severely restricted and censored? I guess alot of this is in God's hand.[/QUOTE]Not having the use of the internet won't be any problem. We could have a half-dozen potential areas or towns already picked out and discussed (no more is necessary than this). Then when it hits the fan we can make our way to any one of them we can recall or is most expedient. It should be apparent within a relatively short time whether any of our fellow ideological compatriots has made it there. Give it some time, then move onto another potential paleo safe haven. You might pick up one or more compatriots along the way and eventually they will all come together. I kind of picture it being something between "The Stand" and "Red Dawn".
Btw, I imagine most of the people here are among the people on the subscriber lists to TAC and Chronicles.
2005-02-17 18:13 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust]xmetalhead,
Yes Something to think about. Maybe those who do not live in Aztlan could help others who do relocate.[/QUOTE]
Anyone is more than welcome to use my property but because I will have my doctor and my attorney moving in with me there wont be space inside of the house, if you bring your own tent or trailer and specially your own food then you are more than welcome. :thumbsup:
You will be between my outer perimeter fence and the the fence that will be ten feet away from my home and all the way around it.
2005-02-17 18:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]Anyone is more than welcome to use my property but because I will have my doctor and my attorney moving in with me there wont be space inside of the house, if you bring your own tent or trailer and specially your own food then you are more than welcome. :thumbsup:
You will be between my outer perimeter fence and the the fence that will be ten feet away from my home and all the way around it.[/QUOTE]
Well, Ponce, if I can make it from New York to Oregon, I might just look you up. Maybe I can pick up a tent on my walk to Oregon somewhere in Colorado or Wyoming maybe.
2005-02-18 03:00 | User Profile
Interesting topic...
James Wesley Rawles wrote a book "PATRIOTS Surviving The Comming Collapse". This book is essentialy a survival "how to" book in the form of a novel. Where to buy and a review: [url]http://www.rawles.to/patriots.htm[/url] [url]http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-156384155x-0[/url]
On the topic of exchanging phone numbers ect, perhaps one should be up to speed on the use of encryption, proxy servers and other forms of internet security. Also the use of temporary mailboxes?
Some info on encryption:[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=184645[/url]
[url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30[/url]
2005-02-18 03:29 | User Profile
Some good info via a Q & A format from James Wesley Rawles, author of the book: "Patriots, Surviving the Comming Collapse"
[url]http://www.rawles.to/appb.htm[/url] [url]http://www.rawles.to/appd.htm[/url]
2005-02-18 07:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Blond Knight]Interesting topic...
On the topic of exchanging phone numbers ect, perhaps one should be up to speed on the use of encryption, proxy servers and other forms of internet security. Also the use of temporary mailboxes?
Some info on encryption:[url="http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=184645"]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=184645[/url]
[url="http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30"]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30[/url][/QUOTE] There is something defeatist in this approach, encrypting emails and internet use, as if there is something wrong about what is said or read. Why act guilty? It is they who are antithetical to freedom and liberty and the spirit of The Founding Fathers.
2005-02-18 09:54 | User Profile
Excellent thread, XMH. I'm glad to see that others on this board take this stuff seriously.
Even if there isn't an outright collapse of society with food and gas shortages, general anarchy, etc. -- and there is a chance that such a thing could happen someday -- a crackdown on political dissidents is entirely plausible given the direction the US is heading in. What if there's another 9-11? What if there are two? If that happens, the sheeple will be ripe for manipulation by the government and other shapers of public opinion, and the mob will be begging the government to deal with those who "threaten American unity and resolve" and "give aid and comfort to the enemy" through dissent. There are already some national commentators who use such rhetoric, along with a neverending supply of Beavis-and-Butthead types who back them up. It has happened in the past in other countries; it can happen in the future in this country.
If such an ugly scenario occurs, I'm sure different dissidents will want to respond in different ways. Some, primarily those with children or other dependents, will probably just seek to survive and stay out of prison. That's perfectly understandable -- it's hard to blame people for wanting to put their kids first. Others, however, might want to take part in some significantly riskier, guerrilla-type activity. If, say, the Internet gets censored, if dissidents start getting imprisoned for their mere words, or if a federal ban on ammunition sales takes effect, then let's face it: that will be the final death rattle of the Constitution, and those who then decide to put their sniper rifles to use will be perfectly justified. F_ck "law and order" if that means submission to slavery. That's why the founders of this nation rejected the "law and order" provided by the British.
As for a way to meet up with each other, anything planned on this board will of course be read by people to whom we don't want to provide that info. And while there are people on this board whom I'm already satisfied are not Jews or federal pigs (Tex is one of them, and he already has our IP info anyway), security is still a tricky problem in general. It's something we're going to have to be careful with and think a lot about. If I get any ideas on how to minimize the risk involved in contacting each other, I'll post them here.
2005-02-18 14:30 | User Profile
Angler and Blonk Knight, thanks for your posts. I'm glad to see others thinking of such plans. Ultimately, I think we'll each be on our own in a future martial state, but at least we can exchange ideas now to be better prepared.