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Thread ID: 16767 | Posts: 5 | Started: 2005-02-14
2005-02-14 21:27 | User Profile
[I]The question I have is why is the German far-right NPD gaining more popularity??? Why are they accused of "hate" when they only want to protect their own country from decline and have to voice some upopular truths about why it's in decline?
Also, isn't even mentioning non-jewish victims of WWII, a heinous "hate crime" in itself, nevermind organizing a memorial march! They protest against the NPD but they organize a memorial that questions British/American/Zionist war crimes in Dresden?
I don't get it.[/I]
[B] [SIZE=4]Neo-Nazis Upstage Dresden Memorial[/SIZE][/B] By Luke Harding
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,2763,1412355,00.html]The Guardian U.K.[/url]
Monday 14 February 2005
5,000 people take part in a funeral march to the music of Wagner to mourn civilians killed by the allied bombing raids.
Waving black flags and banners, thousands of neo-Nazis marched through the heart of Dresden yesterday on the 60th anniversary of the city's destruction by British and American bombers.
In the largest neo-Nazi demonstration in Germany's postwar history, about 5,000 people took part in a "funeral march" to mourn the civilians killed by the allied attack.
The protest upstaged the official commemoration of the anniversary, during which the British ambassador laid a wreath at a cemetery where victims were buried. Meanwhile, thousands of local citizens gathered in the old square for a candlelight vigil.
Large numbers of riot police were drafted into Dresden as several hundred anti-fascists hurled abuse at the far-right marchers and shouted: "Nazis out!"
The neo-Nazis marched to the music of Wagner and Bach, blaring from loudspeakers. As they crossed the Elbe towards the old city, they encountered several hundred anti-fascists. The organisers merely turned up the volume and played the Ride of the Valkyries.
Several anti-fascists waved British, US and Israeli flags. Others chanted: "You lost the war" and "Stalingrad was wonderful". Confetti and pink paper aeroplanes with RAF markings were thrown.
"This is a terrible day for Dresden - I'm furious," said Ursula Hamann, 77, who lives in the city and survived the 1945 attack. "It's sad to see something like this happening in Germany again."
Edeltraud Krause said: "Look at them. You just have to look at their stupid faces. They do not represent us."
Yesterday's well-attended neo-Nazi rally is embarrassing for Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Germany's image abroad.
The political establishment appears to have been taken completely unawares by the far-right's recent renaissance and the rise of the neo-Nazi National Party of Germany (NPD), which won 9.2% of the vote in last September's elections in Saxony.
In an interview yesterday Mr Schroeder hinted that he would try to ban the NPD, which, he said, portrayed Germany as a war victim by ignoring Nazi atrocities.
"We will use all means to counter these attempts to re-interpret history. We will not allow cause to be confused with effect," he told Welt am Sonntag.
He added: "This is our obligation to all the victims of the war and Nazi terror, especially, and also to the victims of Dresden." However, Mr Schroeder now faces a tricky period in trying to reconcile Germany's traditional right of peaceful assembly with a neo-Nazi ascendancy.
Support for the NPD appears to be rising, especially in depressed areas of the former communist East Germany, where unemployment averages 20%.
"My husband and I are NPD voters," said Anni Lutzner, who attended yesterday's NPD-organised rally in Dresden. "We believe that the German state favours foreigners and the Jews."
She added: "There's no point in banning us - we'll simply find a new name."
Hundreds of young skinheads attended the neo-Nazi rally. But the marchers also included pensioners who were driven out, like vast numbers of German refugees, from East Prussia - now divided between Russia and Poland.
They carried black balloons with the slogan: "Allied bombing terror - never forgive, never forget." Addressing the rally, the NPD's leader in the Saxon parliament, Holger Apfel, launched an attack on what he called the "gangster politics of the British and Americans".
He said: "They have left a trail of blood from the past to the present, via Dresden, Korea, Vietnam, Baghdad and - tomorrow possibly - Tehran. Terror and war have a name. And that name is the United States of America."
Other speakers accused Winston Churchill of wanting "to roast" Germans.
They also accused the German authorities of deliberately under-estimating the number of civilians killed in Dresden during the raids on February 13 and 14 1945.
Most historians put the figure at 35,000.
"I have no sympathy with the neo-Nazis. We don't want to go through those terrible times again," said Gena Mothes, 85, who survived the raid. "The problem is that people don't learn anything from the past. There are always new wars going on."
Mrs Mothes, who watched the allied bombs fall, was one of many Dresdeners who laid flowers yesterday at the cemetery where civilian victims were buried.
Britain's ambassador, Sir Peter Torry, played down the threat posed by the NPD, which is contesting elections in Schleswig-Holstein this week and hopes to enter the federal parliament in next year's elections.
"I would take the phenomenon seriously, but not over-rate it. The neo-Nazis got into Saxony's parliament, but on a low turnout," he told one newspaper.
2005-02-14 21:42 | User Profile
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[QUOTE]Several anti-fascists waved British, US and Israeli flags[/QUOTE] . Others chanted: "You lost the war" and "Stalingrad was wonderful". Confetti and pink paper aeroplanes with RAF markings were thrown.
[/QUOTE] Israeli flags? LMWAO. Why don't these morons and lying kikes that were "waving Isreali flags" go protest and bitch about the Israelis' treatment of the Palestinians. No, they would never do that, would they?
2005-02-15 21:28 | User Profile
The NPD/DVU coalition will easily enter the federal parliament. And they will continue to grow in power throughout the former DDR, where their support is concentrated among the impoverished folk who are too patriotic to consider supporting the "ex"-Communists. Schleswig-Holstein is part of the old FRG, so if the NDP succeeds in entering the parliament there (and I'm frankly not counting on it) then the German establishment could really be in hot water, and its about time they were.
2005-02-15 21:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE]The NPD/DVU coalition will easily enter the federal parliament. And they will continue to grow in power throughout the former DDR, where their support is concentrated among the impoverished folk who are too patriotic to consider supporting the "ex"-Communists. Schleswig-Holstein is part of the old FRG, so if the NDP succeeds in entering the parliament there (and I'm frankly not counting on it) then the German establishment could really be in hot water, and its about time they were.[/QUOTE]
Kevin, there's a discussion over at the Phora about who's going to fare better in 50 years, Europe or America. A poster named Dan Dare has posted some good material about Europe's nationalist parties gaining more popularity where his opponents there claim these far-right groups are, or will be soon, banned completely, eg. Vlaams Blok.
IMO, Europe might be well on it's way to a revolution against immigrants and their globalist politicians-enablers way, way faster than America. What I see is that if the globalist sell-out politicians outright ban these far-right groups, by that action they actually afford more sympathizers and/or members to those groups. Such draconian actions by a government in a so called democracy could only lead to many people awakening and asking "why, what does this group actually have to say?", or "You know, I saw another mosque going up a few blocks away, what does the NPD say about immigration again?"
If Shroeder or another sell-out tries to ban these groups, it'll only cause those groups to grow.
There's no stopping it now. Itz coming....to Europe.
As for the US; there's no viable nationalist party. White people can still run for now, but they ain't gonna be able to hide forever. I see America becoming Brazil in a decade or two. Europe is showing signs as being the only viable hope for Whites.
2005-02-15 22:08 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]there's a discussion over at the Phora about who's going to fare better in 50 years, Europe or America. A poster named Dan Dare has posted some good material about Europe's nationalist parties gaining more popularity where his opponents there claim these far-right groups are, or will be soon, banned completely, eg. Vlaams Blok.
The Vlaams Blok has not been effectively banned, but rather has had to change its name to the Vlamms Belang, and is expected to receive a higher percentage of the vote (approximately 30%) that the Blok ever received (its best showing was 27%).
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]As for the US; there's no viable nationalist party. White people can still run for now, but they ain't gonna be able to hide forever. I see America becoming Brazil in a decade or two. Europe is showing signs as being the only viable hope for Whites.[/QUOTE]
I don't blame you for your pessimism, but I think the change we see gradually coming to Europe (even if most would, from my perspective, mischaracterize it as rapid change) may come much more rapidly to America. I expect we'll be at war with Iran soon. The draft and a Second Great Depression will soon follow. Angry mobs lynching Bush, Cheney, their Cabinet, and the Congress, as the White House, the Capitol building and the Pentagon are consumed in the flames of patriotic arsonists, may well come within as little as the next 18 months. I would be frankly amazed, barring an Alberto Fujimori-style "self coup," i.e. the complete and final institution of neo-"conservative," Likudnik fascism (which won't last, in the event it comes), if the Bush/Cheney administration manages to complete their second term, in any event. America is going to erupt, while Europe glides into sanity. The Velvet Revolution is coming to western Europe as well. Our revolution will be more like what we saw in Romania, if we are very lucky. But it ain't far off. A lot of people are going to get radicalized when their daughter gets shipped off to Iran and her family receives a VHS tape in the mail detaling her gang rape and execution at the hands of over-zealous Iranian patriots.