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Thread ID: 16727 | Posts: 28 | Started: 2005-02-13
2005-02-13 00:39 | User Profile
This quote would seem to come from famous "[I]Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44[/I]" that I have not yet read myself.
If true, it's very interesting: was Stalin really just waiting for a time when he would no longer need Jewish bureaucrats to keep his system humming, and then get rid of them?
[url]http://www.jewukr.org/observer/jo16_35/p0103_e.html[/url]
[SIZE=3]"[COLOR=DarkRed]One more evidence of the anti-Semitic nature of the policy became Stalin's utterance quoted by Hitler on the 24th of July 1942: [/COLOR]
[COLOR=Indigo][B]"Stalin talking to Ribbentrop didn't conceal that he was just waiting for a moment when there would be enough of own intelligentsia in order to do away with the domination of Jews in administration" [/COLOR]
COLOR=DarkRed. [/COLOR] [/B] [/SIZE]
This conversation would have apparently happened in 1939 during the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations.
What do you think? Has anyone here read the "[I]Table Talk[/I]"?
Petr
2005-02-13 01:34 | User Profile
Here we have some hard statistical evidence - from a bona fide revisionist Germar Rudolf no less! - on how the percentage of Jews in the Soviet Secret Police (NKVD) began to plunge in the late 1930s, in connection with the Great Purges:
[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=4]Jews in the NKVD of Stalin's Soviet Union[/SIZE]
[B]By Germar Rudolf[/B][/COLOR]
[url]http://vho.org/tr/2004/3/Rudolf325-327.html[/url]
These tables reveal that:
A) Between [B]1. October of 1936 [/B] and [B]1. July of 1939[/B], the percentage of Jews among "[I]leading NKVD staff members[/I]" fell from the astounding 39 % to just 4 %!
(In absolute numbers, from 43 leading staff members to just 6.)
B) Between [B]1. March of 1937 [/B] and [B]1. January of 1941[/B], the percentage of Jews among "[I]all members of the State Security Services of the USSR[/I]" fell from 7 % to 4 % - in spite of the fact that USSR had in 1939 and 1940 annexed areas with large Jewish populations.
This would seem to support the thesis that Stalin was no longer dependent on Jewish support and was beginning to get rid of them...
Petr
2005-02-13 02:10 | User Profile
Ive heard before that Stalin turned on the Jews, more or less. Trotsky was their man, don't you know, and Stalin took him out. But Lazar Kaganovich murdered for Stalin until the end so the story is not so cut and dry. Anyway, after Trotsky went down a group of Jewish Trotskyites at City College of New York renounced communism to form our beloved neo-cons.
2005-02-13 02:26 | User Profile
I think Lazar Kaganovich was a pretty loyal puppy of Stalin - I understand that Stalin had Lazar's brother Mikhail executed in 1941.
[COLOR=DarkRed]"[B]A wicked calumny is the assertion on page 217 that LMK supposedly was present at the interrogation of his brother Mikhail and managed to slip a pistol into his pocket, which later was used by Mikhail to commit suicide[/B]. In reality, according to LMK's account, the circumstances of Mikhail's death were as follows. Mikhail, being at that time the director of an airplane construction plant in Kazan and not the Narkom (minister) of the Aviation Industry, was summoned to the Kremlin for confrontation with a high-ranking government official, who was arrested at the time (we do not reveal his name) and under specific pressure of well known kind slandered both Mikhail and himself. LMK was not present at the confrontation, he was informed later about what had happened. There was no funeral and no official announcement, even Mikhail's wife (her name was not Anna, but Cecilia) was not informed officially. All that happened not in 1945, as the author writes, but in 1941. After rehabilitation Mikhail's ashes were buried at the Novodevichye Cemetery in Moscow where a monument to his memory has been erected." [/COLOR]
[url]http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/kagan.html[/url]
Petr
2005-02-13 03:37 | User Profile
Stalin murdered millions of Christian Slavs. I do not care if he killed a few jews. What does it matter, he was pure evil. I am getting sick of these Stalin lovers and their nonsense.
2005-02-13 04:00 | User Profile
Who's saying anything about "loving Stalin"? I'm trying to objectively examine the relationship between "the Inner Party" and the Georgian sociopath.
You are taking things too personally.
Petr
2005-02-13 06:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]What do you think? Has anyone here read the "[I]Table Talk[/I]"?
Petr[/QUOTE]I haven't read Table Talk, no. But Kevin MacDonald has an extensive section on Stalin and his jewish policies. (I think BTW that Stalins wife as jewish wasn't she?)
Any, overall I get the impression that Stalin, was more of a cunning divide and conquer type imperialist. Use the jews to annihilate his gentile enemies, then try to ingratiate himself with the gentiles by turning on the jews. That after all as quintessential Stalin - set a henchman loose, then eventually patiate the mob by sacrificing the henchman.
Revelatory of Stalin's tactics in this regard is his different practice toward the USSR and the satellite nations. While in the USSR he arguably in his later term pursued a policy of replacing jewish communists with gentile communists, he installed basically jewish communist regimes in Hungary and Poland.
The old "divide and conquer" policy again.
2005-02-13 18:23 | User Profile
[B][I] - "(I think BTW that Stalins wife as jewish wasn't she?)"[/I][/B]
Nope, that is apparently just an urban legend.
Stalin daughter's Alliluyeva married several times, and at least one of her husbands was a Jew.
Petr
2005-02-13 19:40 | User Profile
Petr,
You could be right, but I swear I read somewhere that Stalin's 2nd wife/mistress was a Jewess (Kaganovich's sister).
For sure his daughter Svetlana did marry/divorce a Jew named Grigorii Morozov...A son married a Jew (Jewess) also.
These two unions produced part-Jewish grandchildren for Stalin.
2005-02-13 19:49 | User Profile
[B][I] - "You could be right, but I swear I read somewhere that Stalin's 2nd wife/mistress was a Jewess (Kaganovich's sister)."[/I][/B]
This is exactly the urban legend I was talking about.
[COLOR=DarkRed]"The author claims that LMK supposedly placed his sister by Stalin's side as a home doctor and at the same time, according to the author's expression, as the "dictator's wife", and with her assistance to several Politburo members the step-by-step poisoning of Stalin was carried out. All this is a wicked calumny.
The absurdity and falsity of this version is proved by the fact that [B]LMK's only sister, by mistake named in the book as Rosa (her name was Rachel), died in 1926 and was buried in Kiev at the Baykov Cemetery[/B]. She was married, and she brought up five children. She had never been a doctor, she never went either to Arzamas, or to Nizhny Novgorod or Moscow, so she could not have taken part in the actions so zealously ascribed to her by the author (pp. 238-245). It goes without saying that the dialogue described in the book (pp. 219-223) which supposedly LMK had with his already late sister is fictitious."[/COLOR]
[url]http://www.geocities.com/redcomrades/kagan.html[/url]
Petr
2005-02-13 19:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][B][I] - "(I think BTW that Stalins wife as jewish wasn't she?)"[/I][/B]
Nope, that is apparently just an urban legend.
Stalin daughter's Alliluyeva married several times, and at least one of her husbands was a Jew.
Petr[/QUOTE]Guess I was confusing Stalin's wife with Lenin's wife.
2005-02-13 20:06 | User Profile
[B][I] - "Guess I was confusing Stalin's wife with Lenin's wife."[/I][/B]
She was probably not Jewish either:
[B][COLOR=DarkRed]"Nadezhda Krupskaya, the daughter of a military officer, was born in St. Petersburg on 26th February, 1869."[/COLOR][/B]
[url]http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSkrupskaya.htm[/url]
There were practically [B]no[/B] Jewish officers in the army of Czarist Russia.
Petr
2005-02-13 20:32 | User Profile
Most Jews in the Czarist Army were either in the band or doctors...Did physicians/surgeons hold officer's rank?
2005-02-13 20:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]If true, it's very interesting: was Stalin really just waiting for a time when he would no longer need Jewish bureaucrats to keep his system humming, and then get rid of them?[/QUOTE]Francis Parker Yockey thought so.
On the whole the situation seems too muddled to make heads or tails of it; I suspect Yockey was grasping at straws in the desolation of the immediate post WWII era.
2005-02-14 02:01 | User Profile
Okiereddust,
Great Post!
[QUOTE]I haven't read Table Talk, no. But Kevin MacDonald has an extensive section on Stalin and his jewish policies. (I think BTW that Stalins wife as jewish wasn't she?)
Any, overall I get the impression that Stalin, was more of a cunning divide and conquer type imperialist. Use the jews to annihilate his gentile enemies, then try to ingratiate himself with the gentiles by turning on the jews. That after all as quintessential Stalin - set a henchman loose, then eventually patiate the mob by sacrificing the henchman.
Revelatory of Stalin's tactics in this regard is his different practice toward the USSR and the satellite nations. While in the USSR he arguably in his later term pursued a policy of replacing jewish communists with gentile communists, he installed basically jewish communist regimes in Hungary and Poland. The old "divide and conquer" policy again.[/QUOTE]
2005-02-14 02:08 | User Profile
grep14w,
[QUOTE]Francis Parker Yockey thought so. On the whole the situation seems too muddled to make heads or tails of it; I suspect Yockey was grasping at straws in the desolation of the immediate post WWII era.[/QUOTE]
Very True. What Yockey forgot is Stalin wanted to keep their marxist system runing, without them. Not the goal of Right-wing Nationalism. Given what America had become even them, one can understand why he was "grasping at straws..." And just think how much worse America is today!
2005-02-14 20:27 | User Profile
Since the name of Francis Parker Yockey (Ulick Varange) has been brought up, here's a quote from him I recorded years ago.
"Anti-Semitism is precisely analogous in culture pathology to the formation of anti-bodies in the bloodstream in human pathology. In both cases, the organism is resisting the alien life."
'Wer kennt den Jude kennt den Teufel'
2005-02-14 23:44 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"Anti-Semitism is precisely analogous in culture pathology to the formation of anti-bodies in the bloodstream in human pathology. In both cases, the organism is resisting the alien life."[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
2005-02-15 02:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]Guess I was confusing Stalin's wife with Lenin's wife.[/QUOTE]
Stalin's 3rd, common-law wife was Jewish. Lenin's wife may or may not have been a converso/marrano.
2005-02-15 10:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Franco]Stalin's 3rd, common-law wife was Jewish. Lenin's wife may or may not have been a converso/marrano.
---------[/QUOTE]It certainly sounds like she was Jewish. Petr will appreciate the source.
[url]http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_agenda11.html[/url]
2005-02-15 13:52 | User Profile
[B][I] - "Petr will appreciate the source."[/I][/B]
What do you mean? I hate ambiguity.
Petr
2005-02-15 16:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][B][I] - "Petr will appreciate the source."[/I][/B]
What do you mean? I hate ambiguity.
Petr[/QUOTE] Just joking. I thought you might question it a bit.
It does seem like I've read several times that Lenin's wife was Jewish though. Its nothing like the speculation over Lenin or even Stalin having jewish identities, which seems much more speculative.
2005-02-15 16:58 | User Profile
[B][I] - "It does seem like I've read several times that Lenin's wife was Jewish though. "[/I][/B]
That link you gave sure doesn't look [I]entirely[/I] sane - can you post any totally "respectable" source that would affirm Nadezhda Krupskaya's Jewishness?
I have learned during my years in the Internet that one and the same false report can easily circulate all over the world as amateurs uncritically pass it along.
Petr
2005-02-15 18:48 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][B][I] - "It does seem like I've read several times that Lenin's wife was Jewish though. "[/I][/B]
That link you gave sure doesn't look [I]entirely[/I] sane - can you post any totally "respectable" source that would affirm Nadezhda Krupskaya's Jewishness?
I have learned during my years in the Internet that one and the same false report can easily circulate all over the world as amateurs uncritically pass it along.
Petr[/QUOTE]Not entirely true. But it does reference a historic source - as did another source I remember (Beatty's [I]Iron Curtain Over America [/I]) which however doesn't make it true. They gossiped back in those days too.
MacDonald, while not specifically mentioning Lenin's wife, notes that in general there was a "plethora" of Jewish wives among gentile Russian Bolshevics, and considers Lenin himself, as with several other top Bolshevic leaders, "jewified non-jews" (seperate and apart from his maternal Jewish grandfather, which he also confirmed).
So, whatever - it doesn't sound like, at least metaphorically speaking, Lenin and his wife were big pork chop eaters.
2005-02-15 20:38 | User Profile
Okiereddust (post #22), Lenin's mother's Jewishness not speculative...Lenin was part Jew!!!
"According to research done by David Shub & S. M. Ginsburg, Lenin's maternal grandfather, was the son of Moishe Itskovich Blank, a Jewish merchant from Starokonstantinov in the province of Volynia, who was married to a Swedish woman called Anna Karlovna Ostedt."
Source: Lenin: A New Biography, Dmitri Volkogonov, 1994, The Free Press P.5
There are many sources that back up this claim. This happens to be one of the latest.
2005-02-15 20:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=vytis]Okiereddust (post #22), Lenin's mother's Jewishness not speculative...Lenin was part Jew!!!
"According to research done by David Shub & S. M. Ginsburg, Lenin's maternal grandfather, was the son of Moishe Itskovich Blank, a Jewish merchant from Starokonstantinov in the province of Volynia, who was married to a Swedish woman called Anna Karlovna Ostedt." [/QUOTE]So his maternal grandmother was [B]half[/B] Jewish?That's less than MacDonald thought. (And less than Hillary)
2005-02-15 21:07 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][COLOR=Indigo]"Stalin talking to Ribbentrop didn't conceal that he was just waiting for a moment when there would be enough of own intelligentsia in order to do away with the domination of Jews in administration" [/COLOR][/QUOTE] It sounds like something a communist would say if he were trying to win the confidence of Nazis
So even if the conversation occured, it may just have been a piece of meaningless diplomatic fluff
2005-02-15 21:16 | User Profile
Could be, mmartins, and that's why I tried to support my thesis with statistical data from Germar Rudolf and Nikita Petrov.
Petr