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Thread ID: 16698 | Posts: 34 | Started: 2005-02-10
2005-02-10 22:08 | User Profile
To: [email="martin@martinlindstedt.org"]martin@martinlindstedt.org[/email] Subject: The Phora Restored From: "[email="lethalnjection@yahoo.com"]lethalnjection@yahoo.com[/email]" [email="lethalnjection@yahoo.com"]lethalnjection@yahoo.com[/email] X-Mailer: vBulletin Mail via PHP Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:20:02 -0500
Last week ThePhora was crippled by a troll who managed to get into the AdminCP and delete the board. A mass email was sent out and falsely attributed to The Phora staff. This troll also anaged to hack my Yahoo and MSN email accounts. We have pent the better part of a week attempting to restore the database and we were ultimately uccessful in this effort. Pretty much everything is intact, save the URL. The Phora is back online at a ew web address. Hope to see you soon.
[url="http://www.phora.org/forum/index.php"]http://www.phora.org/forum/index.php[/url]?
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Version 6.66 under the same management under a new name, Bubba Caligula, aka FakeTheFlake, is up. I'm no longer committed to the OppForum jewlag, but I still prefer to post there, for obvious reasons.
I'm working on bringing back my pet jew, Ill Fagno.
I don't trust FakeTheFlake any further than I could throw him if I could hunt him down and catch him first. Yet it has a live audience of whigger nutsionalists liver than Original Dissent Embalming Society. So I'll cross-post on both because of the only-partially overlapping audience. The phorafags/feebs, for example, as gadarenian swine don't know how to appreciate religious posts, whereas here, on ODES, a question as to where the doxological beef is at is studiously ignored.
--Martin Lindstedt
2005-02-10 22:34 | User Profile
Hey Martin,
It looks like the board is still hacked, judging by that e-mail reproduced above.
2005-02-11 01:54 | User Profile
No offense to Lucky - for once - but the fact that he would [I]email you [/I] to rejoin his playpen.... along with Raina and Carrigan and Ixabert and the other solid citizens of cyberspace, just underscores how he must wake up screaming my name.
This is a fellow who addressed a thread to me (Attention: Il Ragno) and thereupon scraped even more swill out of the PM file while simultaneously deleting my responses and banning me. Easier to "win" that way, I suppose.
I also notice he deleted that [I]Attention: Il Ragno [/I] thread in its entirety today. I guess some moderator there must have pointed out that when you're tuff enough to call out your opponent only [U]after[/U] you've barred all the doors and windows and sharpened the punji sticks underneath your welcome mat just in the event he shows up to respond is kinda letting the world [I]know [/I] you're a worm. No Opposition Forum for [I]me[/I], Lucky; even a fixed fight isn't safe enough for Gayus Caligula.
By the way, the terrible, horrible offending comment I got off before I was banned was a sincere invitation for Fade to "research" the coffee grinds and egg shells in my trash before the Sanitation Dept lugged it away. The kissoff line, I believe, was "this is what happens to 24-year-olds who would rather go to bed with a Churchill biography than a blonde".
2005-02-11 02:56 | User Profile
The gods return...
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/ThePhoraColossus.jpg[/img]
2005-02-11 10:03 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]No offense to Lucky - for once - but the fact that he would email you to rejoin his playpen.... along with Raina and Carrigan and Ixabert and the other solid citizens of cyberspace, just underscores how he must wake up screaming my name.
This is a fellow who addressed a thread to me (Attention: Il Ragno) and thereupon scraped even more swill out of the PM file while simultaneously deleting my responses and banning me. Easier to "win" that way, I suppose.
I also notice he deleted that Attention: Il Ragno thread in its entirety today. I guess some moderator there must have pointed out that when you're tuff enough to call out your opponent only [u]after[/u] you've barred all the doors and windows and sharpened the punji sticks underneath your welcome mat just in the event he shows up to respond is kinda letting the world know you're a worm. No Opposition Forum for me, Lucky; even a fixed fight isn't safe enough for Gayus Caligula.
By the way, the terrible, horrible offending comment I got off before I was banned was a sincere invitation for Fade to "research" the coffee grinds and egg shells in my trash before the Sanitation Dept lugged it away. The kissoff line, I believe, was "this is what happens to 24-year-olds who would rather go to bed with a Churchill biography than a blonde".[/QUOTE]OK -- for this once -- I'll set aside my malice.
So you seem proud that FakeTheFlake hates you more than he hates me. Have it your way, then. I'll grant that your mutual dislike was of a personal nature, as if old friends soured on each other, whereas I never pretended to be Fake's friend. Me, I enjoyed your ass-chewings of FakeTheFlake. But then again, I even enjoyed your trying to chew ass on me. Especially when it was hilarious. I thought it was far better to enjoy the laugh at my expense and laugh with the jape as opposed to being laughed at for the jape. Something that Fake might not be able to ever learn, given his upbringing in the lap of luxury. Not that you probably ever missed a meal which was not available back when you were a pup.
I bet FakeTheFlake learned something from his little pathetic reign of terror, and then being victimized by a hacker. Or at least he has put on a pretty good show of humility. Nor has he indicated that he would ban you if you showed back up, but rather that it was yourself who vowed to never return to phorafags/feebs.
What I find funny isn't that it is so much principles which divide your and Fake -- after all, both of you as whiggers have far more in common than either of you do with myself -- but rather a mutual self-serving pride and fear. You fear being seen coming back to phorafags/feebs and being banned when FakeTheFlake returns like a dog to his vomit. FakeTheFlake fears having to ask you to return, and thus admitting in words, as opposed to actions, that he 'might' have been wrong. Thus it has ever been far more difficult in dealing with ex-friends than with open enemies.
Of course I find the impasse hilarious. Most people are ruled, not by principle, but by their feelings, which they confuse with principle, as it is to them all the principle they will ever need. Mutual self-interest -- yours to post your venom upon Fake's board at Fake's expense and Fake's to have an interesting conflict-ridden board worth reading, knowing that an act of lese majesty may occur against Fake at any time -- be damned. :bash:
You both are so funny. Whoever takes the risk of rejection will have the upper hand, morally and mentally. But perhaps neither of you are able to see it that way. All because that's what whiggers do, is live down to their own expectations and to take counsel of their fears.
--Martin Lindstedt
2005-02-11 10:17 | User Profile
Good Lord!....Lucky's gone [I]Ann Landers [/I] on us!
What next? Do I get a copy of DATING TIPS FOR TODAY'S TEENS with an SASE?
Stiuck to hectoring whigger ass-clowns, Lucky. Dual-Seedline tribal war chieftains who live in tin "houses" shouldn't throw stones. Let alone offer advice.
2005-02-11 15:54 | User Profile
Martin,
If I remember it right, Il Ragno and Fade were never friends, on this forum or that one.
2005-02-11 18:13 | User Profile
That last post by Martin was the first one of his posts I have ever been able to understand. Apparently, when he 'sets aside his malice', he also sets aside his use of unintelligible gibberish.
2005-02-11 18:44 | User Profile
Yes, I had been hoping to get a job as a Lindstedt-to-English translator, but then I found out Uncle Martin actually writes and speaks English at times, as well as having an unfinished novel, "The Stallion and the Dragons." :nerd:
[url="http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=99583&postcount=5"]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=99583&postcount=5[/url]
2005-02-11 19:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Good Lord!....Lucky's gone Ann Landers on us!
What next? Do I get a copy of DATING TIPS FOR TODAY'S TEENS with an SASE?
Stiuck to hectoring whigger ss-clowns, Lucky. Dual-Seedline tribal war chieftains who live in tin "houses" shouldn't throw stones. Let alone offer advice.[/QUOTE]If I were to offer you advice, Ill Fagno, the first tip would be to get out of Sodom-on-the-Hudson, i.e., jew Yawk shtty.
As a politician several times I've had to set aside my dislike in favor of getting results. Why, one time I even talked a nigger into voting for my candidate for Chairman of the Missouri Reform Party by manipulating an opposing whigger burrocrat ex-chair to pass a motion to cut the nigger from his chance after a 7-7-2 first vote for the job. The nigger and his Tantric F_liar Hagelin moonie femnishevik with a doctorate from the Guru U. immediately changed their vote to get my candidate, a complete nut-job mestizo female elected. At the time it seemed far better to chose a quasi-honest nutty she-male mamzer beholden to me than a whigger feeb devoted to the Buchananites. Well, that eventually fell apart at the Reform Party National Convention in Nashville in July 2001 when the Buchananite Brigands on the convention floor expelled the legitimate elected Missouri [and California] State Party Organization(s), but that was far in the future that Dec. 2000 in Columbia Missouri.
I think that phorafags/feebs is a forum worth preserving, as it has saved my messages, and it has opposition factions each quasi-devoted to whigger nutsionalism. I think it would prosper if you came back because you would make things interesting. That is why I'm trying to arrange matters so that it can be done, for my own interests.
Now you might well wish to preserve your hurt feelings and stay here in self-imposed exile from phorafags/feebs while shrilly whining about the party going on without you. Itz the whiggrish thang to do. I'll get around to crossposting this to phorafeebs.
What I am saying is that it isn't a matter of principle keeping you away, but rather hurt feelings, and effective partisans get over such quick if they wish to accomplish something. I've certainly had to get over plenty of slights and petty insults in order to accomplish my ends. And while you are not me, perhaps you could learn to do the same.
--Martin Lindstedt
2005-02-11 19:51 | User Profile
[quote=Sertorius]Hey Martin,
It looks like the board is still hacked, judging by that e-mail reproduced above.
[QUOTE=MartinLindstedt]Version 6.66 under the same management under a new name, Bubba Caligula, aka FakeTheFlake, is up.
--Martin Lindstedt[/QUOTE]
A new name eh, supposedly created to to erase the stigma now associated with the old one.
Reminds me of the famous billboard advertising campaign put up when Standard Oil of New Jersey was trying to introduce its new name, Exxon.
[SIZE=8] [COLOR=Lime]But it's the same old gas![/COLOR] [/SIZE]:lol::lol::lol:
2005-02-11 19:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust][SIZE=8] [COLOR=Lime]But it's the same old gas![/COLOR] [/SIZE]:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
Okie, that made me think of a line from The Who's classic song [B]"We Won't Get Fooled Again"....[/B] [SIZE=4] [B][I]"Meet the new boss/same as the old boss"[/B][/I][/SIZE]
2005-02-11 20:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]A new name eh, supposedly created to to erase the stigma now associated with the old one.
Reminds me of the famous billboard advertising campaign put up when Standard Oil of New Jersey was trying to introduce its new name, Exxon.
[size=8][color=lime]But it's the same old gas![/color] [/size]:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]I'm not disputing what you said above.
However, FakeTheFlake has acted like he's learned something. Most importantly, none of the archives have been tampered with insofar as I can see. That does indicate a measure of good faith.
Nor can I blame Ragno for not wanting to be like Charley Brown getting fooled into kicking the football held by the mercurial Lucy, aka Flake.
What I am suggesting is that it costs little to try, unless you have an interest in keeping phorafeebs down and out. I don't see any principles involved in this matter, as I would if I were to try to post on VNN/TGMNN now that the White Revolution Focus-14 board is up, but rather a matter of hurt feelings, which will clear up with sufficient determination.
--Martin Lindstedt
2005-02-11 20:25 | User Profile
Martin, you might be forgetting something.
[I]He looked through, and posted, the contents of private messages.[/I]
This isn't about [I]hurt feelings [/I] or [I]wounded pride[/I], or even frustration at an inability to return fire. [U]The man ransacked his membership's PMs to satify a private vendetta[/U]. And he did it again two days ago (the only reason I reappeared was to point that out, underlined in bold.)
We all have our lines of demarcation. Stealing other people's mail is mine.
2005-02-11 21:03 | User Profile
Nope! This one has different additive package, Okie.:biggrin: [QUOTE=Okiereddust]A new name eh, supposedly created to to erase the stigma now associated with the old one.
Reminds me of the famous billboard advertising campaign put up when Standard Oil of New Jersey was trying to introduce its new name, Exxon.
[size=8][color=lime]But it's the same old gas![/color] [/size]:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]
2005-02-11 21:26 | User Profile
[QUOTE=6KILLER]Nope! This one has different additive package, Okie.:biggrin:[/QUOTE]Which I'm sure includes generous amounts the same old Phoran recipe, starting with your basic standard :hitler::hitler:, combined with some newly minted :caiphas: for contrast and of course lot's of :bash: and :boxing: and :starwars:and :wallbash: and topped of with, by Fade and the groups own special recipe, generous helpings of :dung:
overall I'd just have to say :notworth:
2005-02-11 21:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]The gods return...
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/ThePhoraColossus.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[I]New and improved..[/I]
[IMG]http://www.duke.edu/~afg2/teaching/birkenau.jpg[/IMG]
2005-02-11 21:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=General Rommel]The gods return...
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/ThePhoraColossus.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I thought that yahoo just said there was no god.
2005-02-11 22:17 | User Profile
[quote=il ragno]No offense to Lucky - for once - but the fact that he would email you to rejoin his playpen.... along with Raina and Carrigan and Ixabert and the other solid citizens of cyberspace, just underscores how he must wake up screaming my name.
It was a mass email to all forum members.
Martin, you might be forgetting something.
He looked through, and posted, the contents of private messages.
This isn't about hurt feelings or wounded pride, or even frustration at an inability to return fire. The man ransacked his membership's PMs to satify a private vendetta. And he did it again two days ago (the only reason I reappeared was to point that out, underlined in bold.)
We all have our lines of demarcation. Stealing other people's mail is mine.)
PMs aren't supposed to be private from administrators.
2005-02-11 22:27 | User Profile
[B][I] - "I thought that yahoo just said there was no god."[/I][/B]
That's Prometheus the Lightbearer (aka Lucifer), the favorite deity of atheists.
Petr
2005-02-11 22:40 | User Profile
[QUOTE]PMs aren't supposed to be private from administrators.[/QUOTE]
They certainly are, or no one would [I]use [/I] them in the first place.
Do you and/or Rommel-Nuclear Thoughts-Photon Torpedo never tire of toadying for your master, or are you splitting up the work in shifts?
[QUOTE]That's Prometheus the Lightbearer (aka Lucifer), the favorite deity of atheists.[/QUOTE]
I'm lost: are you referring to Prometheus the character from Greek mythology, punished by the gods by being chained to a rock and fed upon by carrion birds? - or is this some [I]other [/I] Prometheus?
Best smiley yet: :boxing:
2005-02-11 22:51 | User Profile
Do some basic mythological research, ragno.
This legend is basically the pagan version of men's rebellion against and growing independent from uncaring gods through knowledge given to them by benevolent Titan Prometheus.
Needless to say, a satanic version of the Fall where Prometheus/Lucifer is thoroughly romanticized.
Petr
2005-02-11 23:11 | User Profile
The only thing lacking is Klaliff as a senior moderator, they have the rest of the kluster.:biggrin: [QUOTE=Okiereddust]Which I'm sure includes generous amounts the same old Phoran recipe, starting with your basic standard :hitler::hitler:, combined with some newly minted :caiphas: for contrast and of course lot's of :bash: and :boxing: and :starwars:and :wallbash: and topped of with, by Fade and the groups own special recipe, generous helpings of :dung:
overall I'd just have to say :notworth:[/QUOTE]
2005-02-12 00:08 | User Profile
[quote=il ragno]They certainly are, or no one would use them in the first place.
Do you and/or Rommel-Nuclear Thoughts-Photon Torpedo never tire of toadying for your master, or are you splitting up the work in shifts?
No they aren't, that's why the function to view them is built into the admincp... If you have information to relay that is of a sensitive nature, best not do it on an internet forum under the ownership of a single person, especially if it happens to be about that person...
2005-02-12 00:43 | User Profile
No, Luh, what you're doing is rationalizing after the fact. There is an unwritten social contract built into even such relatively new phenonema as internet forums - one of which is the expectation of privacy in somethin called "private messages".
I've said this before so I may as well say it again: anyone who would return to a forum in which the administrator admits to searching the PMs of people who debate or disagree with him is a fool. Simply because you like hanging out at the place enough to overlook such troubling displays of capriciousness is - well, [I]your [/I] decision. But to defend it as acceptable - even honorable - is like sticking a KICK ME HARD sign on your own tailbone.
Anyway, Fade's a big boy. He can fight his own battles if he so chooses.
2005-02-12 00:49 | User Profile
I have no dog in this fight, but from what I understand, Fade did not just read the private messages, he actually posted them on a publicly viewable webpage. Even if you could make a case to defend the former, the latter seems obviously over the line.
2005-02-12 01:00 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Luh_Windan]No they aren't, that's why the function to view them is built into the admincp... [/QUOTE]
I don't know about the latest 3.06 version, but this is not true of any version up to 3.03 we're running. I can see how many PMs each member has saved i.e. (3) users with 32 PMs - member x, member y, member z. This is for storage space purposes and pruning for inactive members and the like. All the actual data is stored in the MySQL database and it's all encrypted with special code.
There may well be a hack that installs that particular feature over at vbulletin.org, but it's not part of the standard program.
Now I'll pull a Pontius Pilate and exit this discussion.
2005-02-12 01:31 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]No, Luh, what you're doing is rationalizing after the fact. There is an unwritten social contract built into even such relatively new phenonema as internet forums - one of which is the expectation of privacy in somethin called "private messages".
Maybe. But I wouldn't put my whole stock and trade in it. Sort of like the believability of a car's odometer reading - its only as good as who you buy the car from.
Same way with a message board - privacy is only as good as the people on the message board. And not just the administrators. There are ways members can spy on each other too using the board, if they know what they're doing, like at Liberty Forum.
One reason I just don't hang around message boards where overall I'm not loved and appreciated, like Free Republic etc. Its just a lot more trouble than its worth IMO.
I've said this before so I may as well say it again: anyone who would return to a forum in which the administrator admits to searching the PMs of people who debate or disagree with him is a fool. Simply because you like hanging out at the place enough to overlook such troubling displays of capriciousness is - well, [I]your [/I] decision. But to defend it as acceptable - even honorable - is like sticking a KICK ME HARD sign on your own tailbone.
Anyway, Fade's a big boy. He can fight his own battles if he so chooses.[/QUOTE]Well you can always use e-mail actually. I think there are more substantial reasons to avoid the Phora now, such as the known instability of the board itself, and the chance it might disappear at any minute.
There are ways I think to preserve a board. Maybe if some of you do stil plan to return there you should press Fade to start sharing some of these with others of you if anyone is interested in taking over, such as giving you a copy of his board backups, etc. Fade is there and talking right now. This might be a good a time as any.
2005-02-12 08:01 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Martin, you might be forgetting something.
He looked through, and posted, the contents of private messages.
This isn't about hurt feelings or wounded pride, or even frustration at an inability to return fire. [u]The man ransacked his membership's PMs to satify a private vendetta[/u]. And he did it again two days ago (the only reason I reappeared was to point that out, underlined in bold.)
We all have our lines of demarcation. Stealing other people's mail is mine.[/QUOTE]Agreed on what you said about FakeTheFlake ransacking your and other's private messaging, something which was unforgivable and then publicly airing them, even more unforgivable. Something which was contemptable.
OK. Now I had no private messages at all, since there really was nothing to say between myself and those I mutually hate.
And so I don't insist that you forgive or forget. I do think it is in part about hurt feelings and wounded pride and inability to return fire. Rather than suffer here in non-silence, as Beowulf advised, far better to avenge than to mourn.
You have a chance to really rip Fake a whole new asshole, and Fake won't have any real defense given what he did. If he bans you again, then FakeTheFlake looks like a coward, unable to face his due ass-chewing for what he did.
So the question is whether or not you wish to give Fake a good buffet across the chops many times on his own forum or not and whether you think he's strong enough to take it. Maybe he isn't, in which case you "win." Or maybe he is, in which case you "lose."
Do you wish to quit while you are ahead? Or play again in Fake's table?
--Martin Lindstedt
2005-02-12 14:14 | User Profile
Sigh. Lucky, I'm [I]banned[/I]; was banned [I]days [/I] ago. (Frankly, I'm a little surprised Gayus hasn't also deleted all my old posts there, since anyone can stumble over them and see for themselves that I'm hardly a "troll", or a menace to the "Phora community".)
And I don't do the [I]go-back-under-an-alternate-identity [/I] bit, for one thing because of too many telltale stylistic quirks giving me away. Kind of like if you crept back under the fence as "Joe Smith": about thirty seconds after "Joe Smith" began railing against "TGMNN" or the "ZOGling whiggertariat", you'd be promptly rebanned.
Besides, I'm a little gray in the temples for such petulance at this point.
2005-02-12 16:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE]"That's Prometheus the Lightbearer (aka Lucifer), the favorite deity of atheists." [/QUOTE] This is actually a painting of one of the Seven Wonders of the World, i.e., the Colossus of Rhodes.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/ThePhoraColossus.jpg[/img]
2005-02-12 16:42 | User Profile
No, that is a defaced painting of the Colossus of Rhodes.
2005-02-12 21:14 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr]"That's Prometheus the Lightbearer (aka Lucifer), the favorite deity of atheists." [/QUOTE][QUOTE=General Rommel]This is actually a painting of one of the Seven Wonders of the World, i.e., the Colossus of Rhodes.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/ThePhoraColossus.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]You just stole my thunder...and I didn't think that atheists had dieties, either...?:rolleyes:
Anyway, it's pretty hard to say that admins reading PM's and then making that fact clear to all would be considered anything other than unwise, don't you agree?
But then again to :censored: up is innately human, is it not?
2005-02-12 22:33 | User Profile
[QUOTE=il ragno]Sigh. Lucky, I'm [I]banned[/I]; was banned [I]days [/I] ago. (Frankly, I'm a little surprised Gayus hasn't also deleted all my old posts there, since anyone can stumble over them and see for themselves that I'm hardly a "troll", or a menace to the "Phora community".)
And I don't do the [I]go-back-under-an-alternate-identity [/I] bit, for one thing because of too many telltale stylistic quirks giving me away. Kind of like if you crept back under the fence as "Joe Smith": about thirty seconds after "Joe Smith" began railing against "TGMNN" or the "ZOGling whiggertariat", you'd be promptly rebanned.
Besides, I'm a little gray in the temples for such petulance at this point.[/QUOTE]
And, just think, instead you get to hang out here with the Holy Inquistion. :alucard:
The comfy chair awaits you.