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2005-02-08 08:33 | User Profile
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[font=Arial][size=4][color=#003399]One Reporter's Opinion ââ¬â The Disconnect on Immigration[/color][/size] [/font][indent][font=Arial][size=3]George Putnam[/size][/font]
[font=arial][size=2]Friday, Feb. 4, 2005[/size][/font] [/indent]It is this reporter's opinion that we are suffering in our beloved America from a real DISCONNECT. There are the screwball Libertarians, the limousine-driving Left, the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal and the Bush administration ââ¬â all wacky on the topic of legal and illegal immigration. They don't seem to be able to understand the difference between reality and delusion.
Our situation is obviated in the case of Wisconsin's Congressman James Sensenbrenner. He is furious over a USA Today story that quoted outgoing Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge as saying that a part of the Intelligence Reform Bill doubling the size of the Border Patrol was 'FOOL'S GOLD' that would not be included in the president's budget.
Nice to say that we're going to have 10,000 more Border Patrol agents in five years but, Mr. Ridge asks, what other part of Homeland Security do you want to take money from? Originally they'd promised an additional 2,000 Border Patrolmen, but they didn't come up with the money to pay for it, so we ended up with only 200. No wonder the Border Patrol morale is at its lowest ebb!
It seems to this reporter that the president has his priorities upside down. He obsessively reverts back, whenever he speaks, to his pet "workers program," which, as most of us know, is sheer open-door policy and a crisis in Social Security.
Let's get it straight. Americans are concerned with: 1) an exploding federal debt of $7.4 trillion, 2) a threatening health-care crisis, and 3) the overwhelming burden of illegal immigration.
All well and good to be spreading liberty and freedom throughout the world. All well and good to engage in a crusade to stomp out tyranny. All well and good to attempt to superimpose our brand of democracy on tribal governments throughout the world. But what about 'We the People' here at home?
As one who has railed against the illegal invasion for over 35 years, how refreshing it is, at long last, to welcome Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and other radio hosts to the fray. I always say, better late than never! Because of the media and the Internet, awareness is growing tremendously, which is very encouraging.
But the disconnect between the elite and hard-working America remains.
So now there are those who are taking matters into their own hands. For example, fed up with the illegal invasion and eager to send a message to our federal lawmakers, hundreds of volunteers from all across the nation plan to spend the month of April patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border, helping our Border Patrol to apprehend the illegals pouring into the U.S.
President Bush, this is a direct challenge to you, Karl Rove and the others who have continued to ignore the problem. If our elected officials, senators and congressmen and women, continue to do nothing about this growing problem, an organization known as the MINUTEMAN PROJECT will.
This group is headed by James Gilchrist, a retired accountant who says he and his group want to bring national awareness to the illegal alien crisis. It's a last-ditch effort to roll up our sleeves and do it ourselves, as they say.
During April, illegals pouring across the borders in California, Arizona and New Mexico are going to be met by a "welcoming party." A rally is planned for April 1, when organizers expect several thousand people to park their cars along the border, forming a gauntlet to repel the illegals.
This nonviolent group of patriotic Americans have adopted a no-contact policy. Unarmed, they will use only their eyes and ears to[url="http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=work&id=4"][color=#0000ff] work [/color][/url]within the law to spot and find illegals and report them to the Border Patrol.
Over the years people have stayed in the corner, afraid to speak out because of "political correctness." They have been muzzled in their efforts to do what our duly elected officials refuse to do. But now these bold American citizens are determined to halt the illegal invasion.
Not only do our brave men and women in the military deserve praise for their brilliant efforts, but also the countless everyday American citizens who are determined to preserve the sovereignty of America. And their numbers are growing. No longer is it just the people along the borders who are getting involved; people from every state in the nation are taking up arms and trying to thwart the inevitable disaster from this invasion.
Just to name a few of those mentioned regularly in One Reporter's Opinion: Glen Spencer, Chris Simcox, Frosty Wooldridge, James Gilchrist, Michael Spencer, Congressman Tom Tancredo, Congressman Sensenbrenner, Alan Wall, and a host of others are joining us in the media.
Newly aware and speaking out on the issue: Rush Limbaugh, who has apparently seen the light, Doug McIntyre, and 'John and Ken' of Los Angeles, who all but drove Rep. David Dreier out of office, (and who has undergone a swift political course correction on immigration).
But the disconnect remains. The elitists of big business and manufacturing ââ¬â the One World Group at the top, buying its way with ill-gotten gains from cheap labor ââ¬â all the way to the bottom, the peasants crawling across the border looking for a better life, doing as the president repeats ad nauseam, "THE JOBS AMERICANS WILL NOT DO."
And supporting it all is the shrinking middle class, trying desperately to cope with sinking wages and an outsourced economy and manufacturing base.
Mr. President, you have four years to save the sovereignty of America, reduce a $7.4 trillion debt, give us a guaranteed health-care program, and halt the flow of illegal aliens, who will otherwise destroy our nation. Why not use your alleged mandate to bring the people back together and reconnect America.
America is suffering from a disconnect; it's time to reconnect.
2005-02-08 11:57 | User Profile
I think "disconnect" is the understatement of the century!
America is rapidly becoming a colony of big business, domestic and worldwide, and the president gradually sinking to a bao dai emporer status. There is no leader for the people to rally behind. What rhetoric or proposed legislation will turn the tide against the "natural" "flow of labor" being heaved upon us by the pro-mexicanization traitors ruining our nation?
Pretty soon all Americans will do the jobs they "dont want to do" all right. Because for ANY job the flooded labor market will reduce wages to a pittance. Then we'll all have to adjust to living like our savior mexicans just to survive- sharing a room with 15 other people for $5 a week rent. And make sure to learn Spanish.
Welcome to Mexico my brothers.
2005-02-08 18:23 | User Profile
I just saw Bush on CNN and according to him he wants to mach the illegals to those jobs that Americans "don't" want.
He also said that Americans should be trained for "existing" jobs but didn't say anything about training them for new jobs or how to think on their own in order for them to open their own companys.
This is now "The Empire of the Ants" where every one will be trained to work for others without having the power to think on their own.
Sometimes I wish that I was better educated in order to express myself better and this is one of them because I am really pissed off at what is happening to America but in a way it is better this way because I go straight to the point without all the bull.
2005-02-08 19:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE]As one who has railed against the illegal invasion for over 35 years, how refreshing it is, at long last, to welcome Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and other radio hosts to the fray. I always say, better late than never! Because of the media and the Internet, awareness is growing tremendously, which is very encouraging. [/QUOTE] And maybe NewsMax, and all the other mainstream GOP media people who overall have been such loyal Bush/neocon backers, even though dubbya was positively the worst candidate here possible.
2005-02-08 19:27 | User Profile
I just love the phrase "jobs Americans won't do" This shows how stupid they think the sheeple are. Yes, Americans won't do these jobs at the same rate the illegal wetbacks are being paid. I guess it is much more profitiable for these CEO types to bring in all of these illegal invadors and pay them 1 or 2 dollars an hour, and not have to provide any health care,etc, the government(we) just pick up the tab for that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that there would be Americans(many of whom are out of work) that would do these do these jobs if these companies were forced to comply at least with the minimum-wage standards, but I guess they don't have to be considered with such things, when they have this non-stop flow of cheap labor with all of these desperate wetbacks, that will do anything for a buck. And Bush and his buddies want "amnesty for illegals" People need to wake up and fast.
[QUOTE] Pretty soon all Americans will do the jobs they "dont want to do" all right. Because for ANY job the flooded labor market will reduce wages to a pittance. Then we'll all have to adjust to living like our savior mexicans just to survive- sharing a room with 15 other people for $5 a week rent. And make sure to learn Spanish. [/QUOTE]
2005-02-08 19:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Ponce]He also said that Americans should be trained for "existing" jobs but didn't say anything about training them for new jobs or how to think on their own in order for them to open their own companys.
.[/QUOTE]that is the last thing they would want. LOL
2005-02-08 20:29 | User Profile
[QUOTE]....how refreshing it is, at long last, to welcome Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and other radio hosts to the fray. [/QUOTE]
This past Sunday, after church service, one of my church friends came over to me. He's a Bush supporter/Fox news guy and he knows well that I'm anti-everything (except Jesus, of course). We've debated many times. This Sunday however, he comes up to me and one of the first things out of his mouth is "we've got all this illegal immigration wrecking the country, just like you said alot of times". I was pretty floored because in the past he just shrugged his shoulders whenever I brought up the subject.
No surprise now, after reading how Rushannitoreilly have "joined the fray" against the illegal invasion by Mexicans. See, these guys can do [I]anything[/I]. [I]Voila[/I], their decree is issued and the faithful fall in line!! Magicians or Preachers, these men????
2005-02-08 20:50 | User Profile
[QUOTE] [QUOTE=xmetalhead]We've debated many times. This Sunday however, he comes up to me and one of the first things out of his mouth is "we've got all this illegal immigration wrecking the country, just like you said alot of times". I was pretty floored because in the past he just shrugged his shoulders whenever I brought up the subject. [/QUOTE]I am starting to notice a lot more people are becoming fed up with immigration, legal and illegal. This has got to be at least a small step in the right direction.
[QUOTE]No surprise now, after reading how Rushannitoreilly have "joined the fray" against the illegal invasion by Mexicans. See, these guys can do anything. Voila, their decree is issued and the faithful fall in line!! Magicians or Preachers, these men????[/[/QUOTE]One radio talk show host who is, and has always, spoke frequently about immigration in very "politically incorrect" terms is Michael Savage. I also have heard him many times bash the bush administration, and others, and get into some of the real reasons such things are happening, as mentioned in the article. I know savage comes across as a crazy raging Zionist jew, but he has some things right, and that is why I listen to his show.
2005-02-08 21:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr][QUOTE] I am starting to notice a lot more people are becoming fed up with immigration, legal and illegal. This has got to be at least a small step in the right direction. One radio talk show host who is, and has always, spoke frequently about immigration in very "politically incorrect" terms is Michael Savage. I also have heard him many times bash the bush administration, and others, and get into some of the real reasons such things are happening, as mentioned in the article. I know savage comes across as a crazy raging Zionist jew, but he has some things right, and that is why I listen to his show.[/QUOTE]
Starr, I agree with you. It's just amusing that the boobus Americanus is now allowed to openly voice his disdain and disgust in the public arena over illegal and legal immigration very well after the enormous damage has already been done. Why wouldn't Boobus listen to us 10 years ago or even 5 years ago?
Probably, our earthly masters have decided that further dividing the populace is to their great advantage somehow and are letting this cat out of it's bag.
Well, who knows, maybe Civil War II is closer than we think.
2005-02-08 21:28 | User Profile
[quote=xmetalhead]Probably, our earthly masters have decided that further dividing the populace is to their great advantage somehow and are letting this cat out of it's bag.
Well, who knows, maybe Civil War II is closer than we think.
Man, the cynical crayon (right next to burnt umber) in my 65-color Crayola box is getting worn down to the nub this week.
I think the situation is such that the little gauge on top of the pressure cooker is getting into the red, so a little steam is being let off to relieve it. Notice the great Limbaugh only touched on the subject briefly, then jetted off to the such-and-such Pro Am to smack little white balls around. Hasn't talk radio, like the internet, unfortunately, served as a safety valve for a long time; full of sound and fury while nothing gets done?
You could be right on your second point, though.
No surprise now, after reading how Rushannitoreilly have "joined the fray" against the illegal invasion by Mexicans. See, these guys can do anything. Voila, their decree is issued and the faithful fall in line!!!
I tend to agree with this view. Sort of a "Rush is on the case! All will be well!" attitude.
Magicians or Preachers, these men????
Charlatans, the lot of 'em. Would you like to buy a bottle of "Maha Rushie's Brandâ⢠Magic Combination Hair Tonic, Purgative and Guaranteed Virility Restorer?"
Actually, I do get a kick of listening to the commercials on the Rush Dimebag program. If the marketing firms have done their research on the audience (and I assume they have, considering they expect a return on the $252 mill. they're paying the obese windbag), it's made up of fat, lonely, bald people who can't get it up and have trouble sleeping!
2005-02-08 21:34 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType] I think the situation is such that the little gauge on top of the pressure cooker is getting into the red, so a little steam is being let off to relieve it. Notice the great Limbaugh only touched on the subject briefly, then jetted off to the such-and-such Pro Am to smack little white balls around. Hasn't talk radio, like the internet, unfortunately, served as a safety valve for a long time; full of sound and fury while nothing gets done?[/QUOTE] I agree with this assessment completely. Limbaugh (and Hannity, Savage, et al) rail against the 'liberal media' and the establishment of which they are actually a part. It is nothing more than a false flag operation to allow some of the masses' real but formless anger to be safely vented in a controlled environment.
2005-02-08 21:45 | User Profile
[quote=Quantrill]I agree with this assessment completely. Limbaugh (and Hannity, Savage, et al) rail against the 'liberal media' and the establishment of which they are actually a part. It is nothing more than a false flag operation to allow some of the masses' real but formless anger to be safely vented in a controlled environment.
Q,
Pearson's got a pretty good essay on this phenomenon.
[url]http://www.regmeister.net/pearson/essay.htm[/url]
2005-02-08 21:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE]It is nothing more than a false flag operation to allow some of the masses' real but formless anger to be safely vented in a controlled environment.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Hasn't talk radio, like the internet, unfortunately, served as a safety valve for a long time; full of sound and fury while nothing gets done?[/QUOTE]
Q and Mad, you know we're in trouble when even the opposition has been infiltrated, appropriately divided and effectively conquered. Our masters are very learned, very evil, and yet oddly compassionate men. They're able to control and direct the opposition without actually killing them a la Third World style.
God only knows, man.
2005-02-09 05:19 | User Profile
[QUOTE]As one who has railed against the illegal invasion for over 35 years, how refreshing it is, at long last, to welcome Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and other radio hosts to the fray. I always say, better late than never! Because of the media and the Internet, awareness is growing tremendously, which is very encouraging. [/QUOTE]
Those are not the only reasons some of you pointed out above that these s.o.b.s are now concerned about this after years of intentional neglect. It is also concern about maintaining their credibilty. They have to make some noise over this because not all their listeners live in the talk radio fantasy world. They live in the real world and rub elbows with illegal aliens. I suspect in the past their screeners have received so many calls on this that with Bush's amnesty they no longer could ignore it. Limbaugh at first tried the line that nothing can be done about so get used to it. That lasted a couple of days before he decided that because he was the leader he better catch up with the crowd which was leaving him on this. We should always point out to those who bring up this gang of charlatan that these talkshow hosts have been A.W.O.L if not actually praising illegal immigration in years past while others like Buchanan and Francis have been pointing out the threat for years.
2005-02-09 19:21 | User Profile
[QUOTE=starr] One radio talk show host who is, and has always, spoke frequently about immigration in very "politically incorrect" terms is Michael Savage.[/QUOTE]
starr, that is true. But also check out Bob Grant's Show if you can through the net. Some of his callers have specific issues in the New York Metro area, but he has been addressing these types of issues for decades; stopping llegal invaders, instituting mandatory sterilization for demographics that are a burden on society, keeping criminals locked up, etc.
Here is some material from some paranoid, leftist group that was trying to stop free speech. They try attack Bob Grant, but it is actually pretty funny stuff.
Thanks in part to activists from all over the country who contacted ABC and Disney, FAIR's campaign against the bigotry of talkshow host Bob Grant has been a success.
The success was not in Grant's firing from New York's WABC, the flagship of Disney/ABC's radio empire. FAIR, in fact, never called for Grant to be taken off the air--we called on Disney to publish its policy regarding on-air racial slurs, and to add anti-racist counterweights to Grant--and in any case, Grant was back on the air in little more than a week, on New York's WOR.
The success, rather, has been in reaffirming the values that FAIR has insisted on from the beginning: that racial slurs and calls for violence are not a healthy part of public discourse. Our reestablishment of these standards is demonstrated by the lies Grant now feels compelled to tell about his past statements.
The last straw for Disney/ABC was Grant's comment after Commerce Secretary Ron Brown's plane went down in Bosnia (4/3/96): "My hunch is [Brown] is the one survivor. I just have that hunch. Maybe it's because at heart I'm a pessimist." Grant tried to portray this remark as a momentary lapse of taste. "I never wished Ron Brown dead," Grant told Newsday (4/19/96). "The only people I've ever wished dead were Hitler, Stalin and Saddam Hussein."
But Bob Grant has long wished for--or gloated over--the deaths of his (disproportionately non-white) enemies. He prayed for Magic Johnson to "go into full-blown AIDS" (10/1/92); he commented that the black victim killed by a white mob in Howard Beach, Brooklyn "got what was coming to him." (12/9/92) His solution to a gay pride march (6/29/94): "Ideally, it would have been nice to have a few phalanxes of policemen with machine guns and mow them down."
Bob Grant has frequently called African-Americans names like "savages." He's used the slur to refer to everyone from black fraternities (who, because they left a mess on a New Jersey beach, represent "the savage mind, the primitive, primordial mentality"-- 7/15/93) to black churchgoers ("I can't take these screaming savages, whether they're in that A.M.E. Church, the African Methodist church, or in the street, burning, robbing, looting"-- 4/30/93).
Grant now puts a different spin on the word. "'Savage' has nothing to do with race," Grant told Larry King (Larry King Live, 4/30/96). "I was talking about people who were burning, robbing, looting in the wake of the Rodney King verdict, the first Simi Valley verdict. I was talking about people and their conduct, not people and their race."
Grant has long referred to whites as being "higher on the evolutionary scale" (12/13/93); he bemoaned the non-white majority in New York City (Newsday, 6/2/92): "To me, that's a bad thing. I'm a white person." Dismissing an African-American caller, he once snorted that "his kind...weren't intended to speak a civilized language." (9/16/93) Now Grant plays down his frequently expressed eugenicist views: "Can anybody really find somewhere where I made a statement in which I put down an entire race of people?" he asked (WPIX-TV, 4/29/96).
Grant's revisionist take on his own career is accompanied by a great deal of complaining about the unfairness of FAIR. But every time he (and his fans) insist that he would never make the kind of statements he used to regularly make, he reinforces our point that such language has no part in responsible radio speech.
[URL=http://www.wor710.com/bob_grant.shtml]WOR Streaming Audio from New York City[/URL]
2005-02-09 19:36 | User Profile
[QUOTE=xmetalhead]Our masters are very learned, very evil, and yet oddly compassionate men. They're able to control and direct the opposition without actually killing them a la Third World style.[/QUOTE] X, You are willing to give them more of the benefit of the doubt than I. Killing your opposition brings you out into the open, and tends to throw the outlines of the 'us' and the 'them' into sharp relief. Clandestinely infiltrating the opposition, taking it over from within, and turning it to your cause is much more insidious, and much less likely to call attention to yourself. I am inclined to think their tactics are more about effectiveness and subterfuge than about compassion.
2005-02-09 21:59 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Quantrill]X, You are willing to give them more of the benefit of the doubt than I. Killing your opposition brings you out into the open, and tends to throw the outlines of the 'us' and the 'them' into sharp relief. Clandestinely infiltrating the opposition, taking it over from within, and turning it to your cause is much more insidious, and much less likely to call attention to yourself. I am inclined to think their tactics are more about effectiveness and subterfuge than about compassion.[/QUOTE]
Q, I totally see and agree with your point. What I meant by "oddly compassionate" is that the controllers direct the opposition to act within certain confines so they don't have to kill them. Plus having the opposition, or dissidents, around enables the controllers to have their whipping boys when they need to rile up the rabble to support the next misadventure. Therefore they subvert the opposition but allow them to still live, eat, breath, reproduce and speak out.
I think I couldn't articulate precisely what I was trying to say before.
2005-02-10 01:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Q,
Pearson's got a pretty good essay on this phenomenon.
[url="http://www.regmeister.net/pearson/essay.htm"]http://www.regmeister.net/pearson/essay.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Fascinating article.:thumbsup:
2005-02-10 01:57 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Snouter]starr, that is true. But also check out Bob Grant's Show if you can through the net. Some of his callers have specific issues in the New York Metro area, but he has been addressing these types of issues for decades; stopping llegal invaders, instituting mandatory sterilization for demographics that are a burden on society, keeping criminals locked up, etc.
Here is some material from some paranoid, leftist group that was trying to stop free speech. They try attack Bob Grant, but it is actually pretty funny stuff.
[url="http://www.wor710.com/bob_grant.shtml"]WOR Streaming Audio from New York City[/url][/QUOTE]Did this guy really say these things(blacks are savages,etc)? Or are these crazy left-wingers taking his comments out of context and basically saying these things to try to discredit him? He seems to deny some of it, which doesn't say anything positive about him being able to face criticism for having unpopular beliefs, without backing down.
[QUOTE] Grant now puts a different spin on the word. "'Savage' has nothing to do with race," Grant told Larry King (Larry King Live, 4/30/96). "I was talking about people who were burning, robbing, looting in the wake of the Rodney King verdict, the first Simi Valley verdict. I was talking about people and their conduct, not people and their race." [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Dismissing an African-American caller, he once snorted that "his kind...weren't intended to speak a civilized language[/QUOTE] :biggrin: :biggrin:
2005-02-10 17:17 | User Profile
starr,
This one's pretty good, too. Explains better than I can why Libertarianism has nothing going for it these days.
[url]http://www.regmeister.net/pearson/essay2.htm[/url]