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Thread ID: 16641 | Posts: 42 | Started: 2005-02-07
2005-02-07 22:06 | User Profile
Seeing how we have been discussing new members I figured to start a separate thread for them. One of our new ones:
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16640[/url]
The post itself is fine. It is what this person represents that I think isn't.
Jason,
Would you like for me to explain a few things to him or would you prefer to?
2005-02-07 22:53 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Seeing how we have been discussing new members I figured to start a separate thread for them. One of our new ones:
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16640[/url]
The post itself is fine. It is what this person represents that I think isn't.
Jason,
Would you like for me to explain a few things to him or would you prefer to?[/QUOTE]We've had a few interesting discussion threads with him, but he seems fairly tractable. He's certainly no NeoNietszche, etc.
2005-02-07 22:56 | User Profile
Okay, good deal.
2005-02-07 23:32 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Jason,
Would you like for me to explain a few things to him or would you prefer to?[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not Ryan, I've already exchanged some PMs with him a month or so ago. He seemed to be fairly respectful, if misguided. I don't think he'll be a disrupter.
2005-02-28 02:40 | User Profile
Is Gabby Raina?
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16971&page=1&pp=15[/url]
2005-02-28 06:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Is Gabby Raina?
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16971&page=1&pp=15[/url][/QUOTE]
She doesn't seem to have the finesse and nuance of Raina, but who knows? I think your responses to her over the last few weeks have been pretty good. Just kind of poking fun and patting the head of a pet troll/Bushbot.
2005-03-07 05:36 | User Profile
Hey, Jason, you want to have some fun? Let Lindstedt back on the board. His buddy, TTGMNN is a new member.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17164[/url]
2005-03-07 13:41 | User Profile
Jason,
I went a head and removed that post of Miller's. I'll leave it to you on what to do about this guy. I'm afraid his presence will encourage more White Trash to invade the board and we'll have a repeat of last year.
2005-03-07 14:57 | User Profile
Hey Ryan,
Did you totally delete it or is it still floating around in purgatory somewhere out there?
2005-03-07 15:02 | User Profile
Jason,
I have a copy of it I'll post here.
[B]The White Freedom Party (WFP[/B])
I hope I'm not violating any rules here by announcing the formation of The White Freedom Party, which was founded in January this year, by Alex Linder of [url]www.govnn.com[/url] and [url]www.vnnforum.com[/url]. The initial brief description of the WFP is located at [url]www.whitefreedomparty.com[/url].
VNN websites are ACTIVISM focused. (1) A White political party, (2) We publish a 16-page tabloid newspaper, entitled: "The Aryan Alternative", that is supported financially and thru voluntary distributions, by almost 100 VNNforum members, thus far. Our next edition, due out in a few days, will be printed and distributed in 20,000 copies. (Our most recent edition can be viewed in it's entirety at [url]www.govnn.com[/url] - a truly dynamic and incredibly persuasive expose of international jewry, published by Alex Linder and many other excellent WN writers), (3) Our Email-Project sends hard-hitting articles to almost 3,000 selected email addressees, weekly, and (4) We have several other ACTIVISM projects in the planning stages.
Those who are interested in supporting and/or participating in actual WN activisms such as those I've mentioned, are encouraged to visit our two websites to learn more about them.
"He who has learned the jews, but refuses to warn his kinsmen of the jewish menace, is an accomplice of the jews, and an assessory in the jewish enslavement and genocide of his own Race."
This is my belief. And I hope it is your's, as well. Hail Victory !!! Edit/Delete Message
Using "back" I think I can restore it if you wish. I have the post showing [B]now[/B] in another window just before I deleted it.
2005-03-07 15:21 | User Profile
You think it would be bad to let it stand but move it into the White Nationalism sub-forum?
2005-03-07 15:33 | User Profile
Jason,
I have great misgivings with this one that you will have to decide. My fear is we find ourselves with the sort of trash we have had problems with in the past, i.e., major flame wars that will only serve to run off folks that can actually contribute something here other than the "name the Jew" line. It might even bring Linder out from under the rock he resides under. I have something else here to share with you from another poster we hold in mutual regard about Miller. Our friend thinks this copy of I think an e-mail is legit and expressed the view that this person is not to be trusted. I don't know anything about the writer as I have been turned off by a good bit of the antics of some of the WN and don't follow them too much.
I hard deleted Miller's post, yet I still see it in my memory here. If you want it left up tell me what I can do to restore it, please.
December 17, 2004
Greetings,
As to Glen Miller. He stood with the Feds, and against Bob Miles, Pastor Butler, and myself at Fort Smith. If I had gone to jail for 20 years upon conviction, it would have been in great part because of his betrayal of those who thought so well of him at the time.
He "rolled" for the feds when his own freedom was at stake, and will do it again under pressure. He can no longer be considered anything other than a federal informant. I would further point out that had he not testified for the federals he would still be, at this very moment, in prison like many of the members of the order are now. He is a free "man" because he attempted to put the rest of us in prison to save himself. That was his deal with the feds. He sat on the witness stand looking at the floor as he helped the federal case, unable to look real men in the eye. Why anyone would trust him now is beyond my ability to understand.
My guess is that they still control him and only use him for gathering names of dissidents and for frame jobs.
Regards, Louis Beam [url]http://www.louisbeam.com/[/url]
2005-03-07 15:58 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]You think it would be bad to let it stand but move it into the White Nationalism sub-forum?[/QUOTE] I think it would be perfectly appropriate to let it stand. First, like he said, it certainly doesn't violate any forum rules. Whatever we think of Miller/Linder, they certainly have a right to form their own political party. Plus this direction, going into legitimate politics rather than nihlistic raving and ranting on the internet, is exactly the direction we've (or at least I've) been saying they need to go. It would force them to moderate their rhetoric and listen to other viewpoints if they want to be a success.
Mind you also that there is right now, during the most intense need for it, any viable party to the right of the GOP. If they see that opening and decide to act on it, that's their right, and almost something we have to give them credit for. Even perhaps give a serious resonse as to whether we will support it or not.
I think it would be terrible if at this moment they can point to paleo's as being all talk and no action with regards to activity, even legitimate political activity, of the type we supposedly encourage.
I realize this will make more work, possibly much more work for us. But its something in my mind at least that's our principle purpose. Not just listening to people like Walter's sterile rants on the virtues of the Inquisition.
I hope you can give this movement a chance to at least expose its own stupidity, as Martin Lindstedt did for dual seedliners. It was very valuable IMO. Politically I know this could be a more risky time for us with the Matt Hale thing, and we want to emphasize perhaps with extra clarity the need for observing forum rules and avoiding inflammatory behavior. But if they do that, I think we have a duty to let them speak their piece, if they have one.
Right now there certainly is a vacuum on the right. That may be the reason in perspective we've allowed VNN types and some posts to become more prominent here. When they say no one else is doing, actively, what they're doing, they have a point. I think the worst thing we can do for ourselves(i.e. best thing we can do for them) is penalize them for doing what they can point out is a legitimate need that needs to be done.
If you have problems reposting Sert, I can do it for you.
Okie
2005-03-07 16:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Jason....
I have something else here to share with you from another poster we hold in mutual regard about Miller. Our friend thinks this copy of I think an e-mail is legit and expressed the view that this person is not to be trusted. I don't know anything about the writer as I have been turned off by a good bit of the antics of some of the WN and don't follow them too much.[/QUOTE]
I sympathize with your fears and agree with them. But at the same time I think the only way to really deal with them is to expose them.
Quite likely WFP is as you implicitely suggest a gov't front. I think we need to expose this, and can be of great value in doing so. If this brings us the wrath of the gov't so be it. If we aren't put her to stand up to the gov't in matters like this, what else is our purpose?
2005-03-07 16:52 | User Profile
So Sert, if Okie agrees to keep a close watch on it like he did the Lindstedt crew, are you ok with it going up in the sub-folder?
2005-03-07 17:04 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]So Sert, if Okie agrees to keep a close watch on it like he did the Lindstedt crew, are you ok with it going up in the sub-folder?[/QUOTE]I will keep a close watch on it. New members are IMO the easiest to deal with.
2005-03-07 21:55 | User Profile
Jason, Dave,
Sorry to get back to you late. I had a brick wall that I needed to build.
[QUOTE]I hope you can give this movement a chance to at least expose its own stupidity, as Martin Lindstedt did for dual seedliners.[/QUOTE]
Dave, this is a good sentence of merit. Yes, let them expose themselves with their own stupidity if they wish. I will stay away from this and let you deal with them, only involving myself if a post is something really crude or inciting violence. I think you have a better understanding of them than I do. Please repost that for me. Hell, it might even be amusing and hopefully this won't rebound on us.
2005-03-08 05:43 | User Profile
Jason,
I think our boy General * is back. [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=104980&postcount=15[/url]
You might want to check his IP number.
2005-03-08 06:24 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Dave, this is a good sentence of merit. Yes, let them expose themselves with their own stupidity if they wish. I will stay away from this and let you deal with them, only involving myself if a post is something really crude or inciting violence. I think you have a better understanding of them than I do. Please repost that for me. Hell, it might even be amusing and hopefully this won't rebound on us.[/QUOTE]I can't really restore it, but I'll just repost it as a quote under my name. I guess I might just go ahead and put a brief explanatory note on our position as well.
2005-03-08 18:12 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Jason,
I think our boy General * is back. [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showpost.php?p=104980&postcount=15[/url]
You might want to check his IP number.[/QUOTE]
There's no correlation that I can find in the IP search, Sert. Let's keep an eye on him, though.
2005-03-09 13:37 | User Profile
Latest net Nazi: "Yendor14/88".
And to think, when I saw "yendor" I had a fleeting jump for joy at the thought it might be our old and my good friend "HBendor", of SFOF and New Max forum fame.
[url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/member.php?u=1406[/url] :sad:
2005-03-10 01:46 | User Profile
I'm dying to find out - what did ScriptureSez do (Other than being an idiot)?
2005-03-10 06:35 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]I'm dying to find out - what did ScriptureSez do (Other than being an idiot)?[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much it, Okie. Each and every day saw him getting more and more active on the board diverting thread after thread to his Herbert Armstrongish theology. No debate, no concessions, no back and forth, just the same mantra over and over and over. In my opinion he was just taking over the board with his nonsense and I felt it had to be put in check before the whole community was infected.
Right or wrong, I don't know, but I find that I have much more patience with well-meaning non-Christians here than these repetitive, non-stop posting trolls who purport to be of our faith. I think they do real damage to our greater spiritual cause among the non-believers and therefore sometimes just have to be silenced. They've got all kinds of places in cyber-land to promote their particularist views (think FR), but we're trying to do something different here.
2005-03-10 14:07 | User Profile
I got to admit that I haven't had that much fun in a coon's age. Gabby and SS are something else. What I haven't figured out. Noahides, dispensationalists, cultists, out and out nuts, who knows? I do know this. When I saw that line about pork eaters it gave me an opportunity to come on the thread and ridicule people like that. The subject of the thread was asinine and insulting. If they kept to themselves or moved to Israel they wouldn't be a problem. When they demand we make foreign policy based upon bizzare religious beliefs then I get mad.
Jason, I don't blame you for getting irritated with him. You showed enough patience. All he wanted to do was talk in circles.
2005-03-11 17:39 | User Profile
It took them long enough. :1eye: My [B]"Free" Republic[/B] :drool: posting privileges have been [U][COLOR=Red]revoked.[/COLOR][/U] Of course no reason provided.
:crybaby: :cry:
2005-03-11 22:49 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]That's pretty much it, Okie. Each and every day saw him getting more and more active on the board diverting thread after thread to his Herbert Armstrongish theology. No debate, no concessions, no back and forth, just the same mantra over and over and over. In my opinion he was just taking over the board with his nonsense and I felt it had to be put in check before the whole community was infected.
Right or wrong, I don't know, but I find that I have much more patience with well-meaning non-Christians here than these repetitive, non-stop posting trolls who purport to be of our faith. I think they do real damage to our greater spiritual cause among the non-believers and therefore sometimes just have to be silenced. They've got all kinds of places in cyber-land to promote their particularist views (think FR), but we're trying to do something different here.[/QUOTE]I know your feelings here, but I'm still a little surprised to hear you state your paternalistic feelings for the board so definitively and forthrightly. Now practically I know SS probably helped give a little aid and comfort to people like Franco (and the late NeoNietszche if he was still here), who think all Christianity is judeophilic nonsense, but I still feel a little unclear about how to internalize and explain this standard myself.
I guess no matter how idiotic, I never like it personally if a poster is banned without at least some prior indication or warning of where he stands. Do you think we should go around and try to reactivate our reputation system. I can think of others who might similarly be eligible for review. Gabby for instance, ad even Franco, although really he's much improved over what he used to be in terms of intelligence, if not position.
Course you have a perfect right to get mad now and then Tex and do things arbitrarily. I just think its easier in the long run if you have a policy that you can use to justify not getting involved or taking sides in disputes. Say the Walter/Il Ragno type fights (both of which are really pretty hardshell) each side saying the other should be banned etc.
2005-03-11 23:01 | User Profile
Dave,
From the guidelines:
No continuous postings that only serve to demean, ridicule or insult the traditional, orthodox Christian faith of our Western heritage. This isn't to say that one must be of the True Faith in order to participate, but rather that experience shows us that constant haggling over basic fundamentals like religion only distract from the overall tone and efforts of the entire board. We unashamedly operate under the banner of historic, orthodox Christianity and that is our sole 'religious' concern. Other lesser faiths, doctrines and religions will NOT be given the same consideration.
He had 150 posts to make his case and never did I ever see him answer a question straight or acknowledge any point made to refute him. If Leland Gaunt showed back up and did the same thing from his point of view I think we would ban him also. SS was just trolling and instead of getting the message and backing off he just kept making more and more posts. I felt it needed to be stopped before we got off track. Plus, those judaizers tend to tick me off. What can I say?
2005-03-12 01:39 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]Dave,
From the guidelines:[QUOTE]No continuous postings that only serve to demean, ridicule or insult the traditional, orthodox Christian faith of our Western heritage.[/QUOTE]
He had 150 posts to make his case and never did I ever see him answer a question straight or acknowledge any point made to refute him. If Leland Gaunt showed back up and did the same thing from his point of view I think we would ban him also. SS was just trolling and instead of getting the message and backing off he just kept making more and more posts. I felt it needed to be stopped before we got off track. Plus, those judaizers tend to tick me off. What can I say?[/QUOTE]OK, using the well-known "Tex elastic clause" I can see something here, but one needs a lot of elastic even then, since he wasn't getting insulting, just being weird, unless you term obstinite weirdness as insulting, which I guess you could.
I guess I just thought it might have been interesting to pick a whole in his reasoning, but I really didn't have patience either, I admit. This guy did seem to be a trained dissembler. I actually though think something like the old Liberty Forum system would also work well with people like this, who would get knocked back to "-1" and drop off the general screens.
That's one thing I do realy admire about LF, the way it does handle these weirdos pretty well without banning. But that them and we're us.
2005-03-12 02:09 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Okiereddust]using the well-known "Tex elastic clause"
:lol:
I can see something here, but one needs a lot of elastic even then, since he wasn't getting insulting, just being weird, unless you term obstinite weirdness as insulting, which I guess you could.
If not insulting, then at least extremely irritating, repetitively irritating. Gabby is also very close to this threshold, though she seems to have sense enough to know when to back down.
I guess I just thought it might have been interesting to pick a whole in his reasoning, but I really didn't have patience either, I admit.
Well that's just it. About 10 of our best posters picked apart his reasoning, but he would just go on ducking and obfuscating and post the same crap over and over on thread after thread. Now with some things that's tolerable, even if tiresome, like the issue of hindu aryan supremacy for example. But I guess I'm just touchy on matters of doctrine and faith as these are the most important issues to me.
That's one thing I do realy admire about LF, the way it does handle these weirdos pretty well without banning. But that them and we're us.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you in that we don't want to have a board totally subject to the whims and fancies of its administrators, but surely we can grant a few suspensions here and there for each of us who have to police this thing. As you well know, it's not an exact science and hard to spell everything out for each occurence. Admittedly, I tend to make some decisions based on my gut instinct, probably more than I should, but in this case work is crazy right now and my stress level is high.
2005-03-14 17:36 | User Profile
What has 6KILLER contributed other than CI spam?
2005-03-14 22:17 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]What has 6KILLER contributed other than CI spam?[/QUOTE]Well at least he's obeyed my directive studiously not to talk about the Downeys marriages. :biggrin:
The CI/Klan types as a whole don't bother me. They're not generally political, and definitely march to a different drummer, but I generally just ignore them.
If you talk about a low degree of positive contributions - that's targeting an awful lot of members. Franco and Ponce anyone?
2005-03-15 01:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Centinel]What has 6KILLER contributed other than CI spam?[/QUOTE]
Pure crap. I would have thought he'd left after the demise of Martin.
2005-03-21 14:29 | User Profile
Jason,
Check out our newest member. I have already received (PMs) oohs and ahhs from our more enlighten members.
I have written back that I have complete faith in our membership... [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/member.php?u=1424[/url]
2005-03-21 15:41 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Jason,
Check out our newest member. I have already received (PMs) oohs and ahhs from our more enlighten members.
I have written back that I have complete faith in our membership... [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/member.php?u=1424[/url][/QUOTE]
LOL! Even got a handy Lutheran quote in the signature!
Can you believe some people have the time to sit around and put together this kind of crap. I'm proceeding to ban this obvious troll...
2005-03-21 16:13 | User Profile
Jason,
I suppose this is for the best. I was going to leave him for a couple of days just to hear the caterwauling from the usual suspects and allow this guy to hang himself. When they read comments like the one about blonds I can hear the chest drawers being opened as they grab for the Sam Brown belts and armbands.
2005-03-21 17:23 | User Profile
I have no doubt this was Raina. Fit all the criteria.
The policy there is delete first, ask questions later.
By the way, I gotta good laugh out of your "high yellow" comment. :lol:
2005-03-21 19:16 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Texas Dissident]LOL! Even got a handy Lutheran quote in the signature!
Can you believe some people have the time to sit around and put together this kind of crap. I'm proceeding to ban this obvious troll...[/QUOTE] Oh shute, I missed all the fun :biggrin:
2005-03-25 01:19 | User Profile
Jason,
You might want to add a folder to the Christianity forum entitled "Religious cults". [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16476[/url] He took you up on your offer.
2005-03-25 16:52 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Jason,
You might want to add a folder to the Christianity forum entitled "Religious cults". [url]http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16476[/url] He took you up on your offer.[/QUOTE]
How 'bout 'Wacko of the Month'.
Nevertheless, he's gone.
2005-03-25 16:58 | User Profile
You weren't just whistling Dixie. You nuked him.
2005-03-25 17:12 | User Profile
You weren't just whistling Dixie. You nuked him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he's nuked. Tried to be cordial and invite him to post a link on a thread and we could discuss things. As you know, he proceeded to spam the same crap on about 15 threads. I warned him to stop spamming on a PM and then he posted my PM on the board. Goofball.
2005-03-25 17:19 | User Profile
When I saw that email and the spam I dumped him for a week with the idea of you having the option on what you wanted to do. (I had a good idea) Getting rid of this ass was for the best. I went back and deleted my posts to him. Some folks just don't have good manners. He is a prime example I why I don't care for fanatics, whether they be neocons, dispensationalists, or capitalists. The only thing that people like that accomplish is to get their betters killed.