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Thread ID: 16638 | Posts: 20 | Started: 2005-02-07
2005-02-07 18:40 | User Profile
Harry Smith Angry over Dan Rather's Job
More ugly details are trickling out from behind the scenes at CBS's Rathergate fiasco, with one of the network's top on-air personalities reportedly telling a senior executive that Dan Rather should have been fired.
CBS "Early Show" host Harry Smith is said to have "pointedly confronted" news division chief Andrew Heyward during a staff meeting after three producers were asked to take the fall for Rather's blunder last month.
According to the Web site NewsBlues.com, Smith wanted to know why and how Dan Rather was still able to keep his position on "60 Minutes Wednesday."
Ratherbiased.com, which picked up the story, said Smith was unavailable for comment on his alleged showdown with Heyward.
As NewsMax reported earlier this week, tension at CBS was running high over the decision to let both Rather and Heyward keep their jobs, while producers Josh Howard, Mary Murphy and Betsy West were given a few hours to clean out their desks and vacate their offices.
The decision to paint Rather as out of the loop on the disastrous National Guard report also irked staffers who knew that "heââ¬â¢d read multiple drafts of the script for the story [written by producer Mapes], done most of the interviews, and had a thorough knowledge of the storyââ¬â¢s content and point of view," according to New York Magazine.
Earlier this week CBS announced that veteran newsman and "Face the Nation" host Bob Schieffer would replace Rather until CB"S chairman Les Moonves settles on a permanent replacement.
Last month, Moonves said he was leaning toward a multi-anchor format for the "CBS Evening News" - and even floated the possibility that "Daily Show" host Jon Stewart might be tapped. "
[url]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/4/140602.shtml[/url]
2005-02-07 18:47 | User Profile
But lying about WMD to start an agressive war on an innocent country is OK??
2005-02-07 19:19 | User Profile
XM,
At least CBS did hold someone accountable. Tenet doesn't cut it with me. Bush should have fired everyone involved in this sorry affair, but then again, that would mean firing himself.
I couldn't care less about this. I've known about CBS and Rather for years. Instead, I'd like to know if Drudge's claim that Brit Hume was caught on camera during Special Report asking for the State Department talking points over some issue when he thought they had went to a break.
2005-02-07 19:42 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]XM,
At least CBS did hold someone accountable. Tenet doesn't cut it with me. Bush should have fired everyone involved in this sorry affair, but then again, that would mean firing himself.
I couldn't care less about this. I've known about CBS and Rather for years. Instead, I'd like to know if Drudge's claim that Brit Hume was caught on camera during Special Report asking for the State Department talking points over some issue when he thought they had went to a break.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Sert. Also, I'd add about Rather's story(and I'm NOT a Rather apologist); it wasn't like George W Bush's National Guard Military record wasn't already in serious doubt when Rather reported his story. I'd suppose Rather was much more closer to the truth than George Bush & Co. were in regards to Iraqi WMD's and such.
2005-02-07 19:43 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]XM,
At least CBS did hold someone accountable. Tenet doesn't cut it with me. Bush should have fired everyone involved in this sorry affair, but then again, that would mean firing himself.
I couldn't care less about this. I've known about CBS and Rather for years. Instead, I'd like to know if Drudge's claim that Brit Hume was caught on camera during Special Report asking for the State Department talking points over some issue when he thought they had went to a break.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Sert. Also, I'd add about Rather's story(and I'm NOT a Rather apologist); it wasn't like George W Bush's National Guard Military record wasn't already in serious doubt when Rather reported his story. I'd suppose Rather was much more closer to the truth than George Bush & Co. were in regards to Iraqi WMD's and such.
And FAUX News....well, there's nothing but pure LIES and SPIN belching from their newsrooms 24/7.
2005-02-07 19:47 | User Profile
The CBS Evening News w/ Jon Stewart.
Les Moonves a Jew...Jon Stewart a Jew. It could happen! :yawn:
2005-02-07 23:30 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]XM,
At least CBS did hold someone accountable. Tenet doesn't cut it with me. Bush should have fired everyone involved in this sorry affair, but then again, that would mean firing himself.
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Another clever Hans...
2005-02-08 15:43 | User Profile
What Rather did (perpetuate an undocumented rumor based on doctored evidence) struck a deadly blow to freedom and liberty and the right of every American to slavishly worship their just-barely-elected officials like kings and princes.
What Bush did (prosecute a war against a weak, small opponent based on doctored evidence) was completely different, mainly because untold thousands have already died because of it.
Moral? If you ever want to guarantee yourself a lynch-mob atmosphere, leave one victim, alive, to scream bloody murder. If you want to walk away from your crimes scot-free, and with a fanfare to boot, leave at least 10,000 corpses behind, with twice that many maimed for life. [I]Numbers sanctify.[/I]
2005-02-08 15:51 | User Profile
Gabrielle,
Another "clever Hans",eh?
Il Ragno,
I recall Stalin saying that the loss of one person was a tragedy. The loss of millions is a statistic. It looks to me that the Neocons have learned from "Uncle Joe", Trotsky's murder notwithstanding.
2005-02-08 16:47 | User Profile
Sertorius and il ragno,
Most all of what was said about Bushie's National Guard Military record was true. The fake documents were based on Bush's real National Guard records and did not disagree with it. CBS sent copies to Whitehouse asked for coment, before the story ran. The Whitehouse said nothing, CBS news took this as admiting they were real. This is why some the Liberals think they were planted by the GOP.
Bush was awal a good number times, got ground for the last year and half of service, and was let out half a year early. This is all in the real Military records. The fake documents the Bush cool-aid drinker are going on out were not needed to write the story.
2005-02-08 16:54 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Faust] Most all of what was said about Bushie's National Guard Military record was true. The fake documents were based on Bush's real National Guard records and did not disagree with it.[/QUOTE] Faust, This really could have been a Rovian trick. As you mentioned, there are many legitimate, unanswered questions about Bush's guard service (such as it was). This reporting scandal caused such an uproar, however, that the whole subject has been effectively cordoned off from investigation. Perhaps a little Machiavellian manoeuvring by the Bushies?
2005-02-08 16:55 | User Profile
Faust,
I'm inclined to believe that Bush took a powder. There is something that stinks about this. In any event even if he did attend all the drills he still is an incompetent president no matter what the Busheviks think, in my opinon.
2005-02-08 17:18 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Gabrielle,
Another "clever Hans",eh?
Il Ragno,
I recall Stalin saying that the loss of one person was a tragedy. The loss of millions is a statistic. It looks to me that the Neocons have learned from "Uncle Joe", Trotsky's murder notwithstanding.[/QUOTE]
Sertorius? you better read history, the then "Trotsky's" are now called the Neocons.....same song different words.
2005-02-08 17:35 | User Profile
Ponce,
The reference is to the fact that the Neocons hate Stalin precisely because of him ordering the murder of Trotsky. Despite that it would seem they don't have a problem with borrowing from Stalin when it serves their purposes. I can assure you that I read quite a bit of history.
2005-02-08 17:39 | User Profile
Matt Drudge (Mentioned in thread #4)...Add him to the sheeple's list of kosher mind-programmers.
'Wer kennt den Jude kennt den Teufel'
2005-02-08 18:47 | User Profile
[QUOTE]Perhaps a little Machiavellian manoeuvring by the Bushies?[/QUOTE]
Rove, more likely. Can you imagine the facial contortions George W Bush would make wrestling with "Machiavellian"?
Q: [COLOR=Navy]A little Machiavellian maneuvering on your part?[/COLOR]
Bush: [COLOR=Navy]No, the closest I get to Italian sports cars these days is watching NASCAR. Incidentally, FOX's Emmy Award-winning coverage of the Daytona 500 begins on Feb 20th. [/COLOR] (sticks out both fists, thumbs up)
Q: (after stunned pause) [COLOR=Navy]No, no, Mr President, [I]Machiavelli[/I]. [/COLOR] (Bush smiles vacantly; there is another stretch of uncomfortable silence) [COLOR=Navy]Niccolo Machiavelli?[/COLOR]
Bush: [COLOR=Navy]Well, I don't know much about high fashion, but my girls tell me she is one terrific designer. Americans have always enjoyed nice clothes. And the freedom to [I]wear [/I] nice clothes, also.[/COLOR]
Q: (as to a small child) [COLOR=Navy]No, sir, Machiavelli wrote THE PRINCE in the early 16th century.[/COLOR] (pause) [COLOR=Navy]It's possibly the most important political text in the history of Western literature. [/COLOR] ([I]long [/I] pause) [COLOR=Navy]Surely, sir, you're familiar with THE PRINCE?[/COLOR]
Bush: (big grin) [COLOR=Navy][B]"Purple Rain"![/B][/COLOR]
2005-02-08 18:57 | User Profile
That's pretty good.
2005-02-08 19:06 | User Profile
Ragno, That's much more amusing than my own internal monologue. :thumbsup:
2005-02-08 19:45 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Sertorius]Ponce,
The reference is to the fact that the Neocons hate Stalin precisely because of him ordering the murder of Trotsky. Despite that it would seem they don't have a problem with borrowing from Stalin when it serves their purposes. I can assure you that I read quite a bit of history.[/QUOTE]S
Sorry Sertorius, and din't mean it as an "insult" and I know that you are better "educated" than I am.....is only that those Zionists drive me up the wall, lol .
2005-02-08 23:31 | User Profile
Ponce,
No offense taken.