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Thread ID: 16618 | Posts: 15 | Started: 2005-02-06
2005-02-06 16:20 | User Profile
[url]http://www.savethemales.ca/[/url]
[COLOR=Indigo] [SIZE=4]How UFO's Relate to the New World Order [/SIZE]
By Henry Makow Ph.D. February 05, 2005 [/COLOR]
2005-02-06 19:50 | User Profile
Jeff Rense has been blabbing about UFOs for years. Maybe there's something to it, eh? :whstl: [url="http://www.rense.com/"]http://www.rense.com[/url]
Stephen Greer is a country doctor from North Carolina who has a wife, four children, a dog and a faith in American values. Since 1992, he has collected video and written testimony from some 400 retired members of the U.S. military, intelligence and aeronautics industry including Presidential advisors, generals, pilots and two astronauts many of whom had Top-Secret clearance. The gist of this overwhelming evidence is that every year we have thousands of visits from UFO's, which are tracked on radar at speeds ranging from 5000 to 20,000 mph. There are also thousands of signals reaching the earth from outer space. [url="http://www.disclosureproject.org"]http://[color=#0000ff]www.disclosureproject.org[/url][/color]
2005-02-06 20:20 | User Profile
I believe in some things that a lot of people would consider to be conspiracy theories. but this alien, new world order stuff is a bit far fetched, and quite frankly, nuts, even for me.:wacko:
2005-02-06 20:31 | User Profile
I think we can make some kind of a diagnosis based on his concluding paragraph:
[COLOR=Indigo][B]"Far fetched as it sounds, at the rate we're going, extraterrestrials could represent degenerate mankind's best hope. Who knows what form Divine intervention can take? If we won't represent God, maybe a more advanced civilization will."[/B][/COLOR]
Makow is clearly in the need of religious hope, but unwilling to become Christian, so he uses UFOs as a second-rate religious crutch, to put it bluntly.
Very 1970s New Age stuff.
Petr
2005-02-06 20:53 | User Profile
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
| [right]1 Timothy 4:1 (KJ) [/right] |
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
| [right]1 John 4:1 (KJ) [/right] |
[img]http://www.2and2.net/Uploads/Images/nazi-ufo-1.jpg[/img]
2005-02-06 22:10 | User Profile
I am not asking you to believe this right away. People think they must either accept or reject a new idea. There is a third alternative: reserve judgment.
This has always been my policy on UFOs and extraterrestrials. It's really a low-priority issue for me, because the problems of this planet, and their solutions, are here. It'll move up on the priority list when I see some UFO's land somewhere and actual extraterrestrials emerge from the craft.
Were UFO's actually one day to land in a public place for all to see, and if it turned out that it's not just a CIA-style psyops operation perpetrated by the government or some other human power, well...that would complicate things.
Unlike Makow, this is not an event I would welcome, because I don't see how it would undermine the power of globalism and multiracialism. The American people, and the West in general, have been conditioned by TV shows like Star Trek to welcome "the coming together of all men and nations as one" in response to discovering other intelligent life in the universe. Even many people who are against universalism would feel pressure to conform with globalism, because it would be marketed to them as "necessary for survival," since it'd be logical that if there are other advanced civilizations out there with the means (and desire) to get here, then some of them obviously aren't going to be "friendly"--I'm pretty confident that strife is a constant of all Life.
Extraterrestrial contact would not be a good reason to "unite the world." Really, nothing changes here on this planet merely because of confirmation of life on other planets. We have to be true to ourselves, and develop according to our own inner destiny that unfolds from our genetics and our history--and all human beings are not equal, which is why we'd have to continue to work on developing apart. The geographic separation of the races of man remains a valid goal for human existence and a condition for our continued development. I would hope that any extraterrestrial civilization with the wisdom to traverse the stars would also have the wisdom to recognize this as well and not attempt to alter our development.
A nationalist government would tell any extraterrestrials to leave us alone and let us be who we will, in our own way, on our own timetable. This is why my position has been that well, there just may be extraterrestrials out there, but this shouldn't really concern us. All we can be is who we are.
2005-02-06 23:22 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr] Makow is clearly in the need of religious hope, but unwilling to become Christian, so he uses UFOs as a second-rate religious crutch, to put it bluntly.
Petr[/QUOTE] That is a scary thought. this seems like the type of person, who after finding religion, may at some point, begin to believe they are God.:eek:
2005-02-07 01:30 | User Profile
[I] - "That is a scary thought. this seems like the type of person, who after finding religion, may at some point, begin to believe they are God"[/I]
Ah yes - the two fundamental truths that Christianity teaches:
a) there is a God (against atheism)
b) ... and that God isn't you. (against pantheism)
This confusion about the difference between the Creator and a creature is nothing new, really. Crazed mystical heretics have always been among us:
[COLOR=Navy][B]"The heresy of the Free Spirit is usually understood to have justified nihilism and megalomania. Norman Cohn's influential book claims that "these people could be regarded as remote precursors of Bakunin and of Nietzsche or rather of that bohemian intelligentsia which during the last half-century has been living from ideas once expressed by Bakunin and Nietzsche in their wilder moments." [/B] [/COLOR]
[url]http://www.dhushara.com/book/consum/gnos/lerner.htm[/url]
[COLOR=Navy][B]"The adept of the Free Spirit, on the other hand, felt himself to be utterly transformed; he had not merely been united with God, he was identical with God and would remain so for ever. And even this is an understatement, for often an adept would claim to have surpassed God. The women of Schweidnitz claimed that their souls had by their own efforts attained a perfection greater than they had possessed when they first emanated from God, and greater than God ever intended them to possess. They claimed to have such command over the Holy Trinity that they could 'ride it as in a saddle'. The Swabian heretics Of 1270 said that they had mounted up above God and, reaching the very pinnacle of Iivinity, abandoned God. Often the adept would affirm that he or she 'had no longer any need of God'."[/B][/COLOR]
[url]http://www.dhushara.com/book/consum/free.htm[/url]
Petr
2005-02-07 11:46 | User Profile
This is really over the top.
Makow is a fruitcake.
2005-02-07 12:03 | User Profile
He seems to be suffering from the "I believe everything that I read" - syndrome...
Petr
2005-02-07 23:34 | User Profile
I agree. Makow is over the top. This is the result of being obcessed about the New World Order, you see everything evil or unexplained as being caused by this NWO. It is like the NWO becomes some type of God that can explain everything unexplainable or uncontrolable away.
Here is my take on UFO's, the ones that people actually see, that is. They are 1) explainable natural weather phemonena or man-made phemonena such a weather balloon, or 2), particularly in the cases of so-called actual "visitations", usually to people who have dabbled in or are deeply into the occult. These are the people who would see "ghosts" in earlier times. These apparations, wheither they be "ghosts" or "extraterrestrials" are nothing but demons deceiving the gullible. Do a search on UFO's and occult together and you will see that the two are together. I remember reading a study years ago about people who claimed that they saw or were visited by UFO's and upon closer examination, and it was found that most had been involved in the occult one way or another, but that was before the internet, and I don't remember what the source was.
And I feel the same about the NWO. It has existed since the Fall in many forms and is demon-controled. And since it is spiritual in nature, following it to its supposed source or cause would make one go into circles. To say that it is simply Jew, Russian , Communist, Freemason, American, Illuminati of origin is too simple. This is only something that can be battled spiritually and Christ by his death and resurrection has broken its power.
2005-02-07 23:37 | User Profile
[QUOTE=Petr][I] - "That is a scary thought. this seems like the type of person, who after finding religion, may at some point, begin to believe they are God"[/I]
Ah yes - the two fundamental truths that Christianity teaches:
a) there is a God (against atheism)
b) ... and that God isn't you. (against pantheism)
This confusion about the difference between the Creator and a creature is nothing new, really. Crazed mystical heretics have always been among us:
[COLOR=Navy][B]"The heresy of the Free Spirit is usually understood to have justified nihilism and megalomania. Norman Cohn's influential book claims that "these people could be regarded as remote precursors of Bakunin and of Nietzsche or rather of that bohemian intelligentsia which during the last half-century has been living from ideas once expressed by Bakunin and Nietzsche in their wilder moments." [/B] [/COLOR]
[url]http://www.dhushara.com/book/consum/gnos/lerner.htm[/url]
[COLOR=Navy][B]"The adept of the Free Spirit, on the other hand, felt himself to be utterly transformed; he had not merely been united with God, he was identical with God and would remain so for ever. And even this is an understatement, for often an adept would claim to have surpassed God. The women of Schweidnitz claimed that their souls had by their own efforts attained a perfection greater than they had possessed when they first emanated from God, and greater than God ever intended them to possess. They claimed to have such command over the Holy Trinity that they could 'ride it as in a saddle'."[/B][/COLOR]
[url]http://www.dhushara.com/book/consum/free.htm[/url]
Petr[/QUOTE]
That is the best nutshell definition of what Christianity teaches about God that I have ever read. Thanks! :thumbsup:
2005-02-08 01:39 | User Profile
My assumption about UFO purveyors like Makow and Rense is that they're actually attempting to discredit the idea of a dominant minority.
By including all the info about Zionism, bankers and such on a site that also deal s with UFOs would automatically discount everything on the site to the "average" joe blow that stumbles across it.
2005-02-08 03:05 | User Profile
Makow has always been a loon, just a loon with a decent writing style.
2005-02-08 12:00 | User Profile
Of all the UFO accounts in the Bible, the one that I hear mentioned most often is Ezekiel's Wheel. Many people claim that Ezekiel clearly describes a UFO in the following passage:
[indent]This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. -- Ezekiel 1:16 (NIV) [/indent][center][img]http://my.execpc.com/~ahoj/earsite/graphics/ezekielswheel.gif[/img][/center] [center] [/center] [center][url="http://my.execpc.com/~ahoj/earsite/files/ears_ufos_biblefiles1.html"]http://my.execpc.com/~ahoj/earsite/files/ears_ufos_biblefiles1.html[/url][/center]